Amateur in the Whitehouse

[sjoes006]

This dumb dumb did his best to consult any politician that would speak with him to legitimize his Muslim ban into an executive order that could pass as constitutional test. So he tried to piggyback on an effort Obama made to double check citizens from failed states.

Obama initiated this check because people from these countries were basically stateless as far as papers go so Obama did the work these countries couldn't do. Qualify people for visas.

Trump can fire the AG but judiciary after judiciary continue to strike down the order.

IT AIN'T POLITICS SON, IT'S THE CONSTITUTION.

Mr. President we want to see you do well so learn it. You can trumps a lot of things but no matter who you appoint to the Supreme Court the Constitution does exist.

I expect you'll ignore the courts. I wouldn't want to see your head on a stick as you're my lawful leader. But expect to be impeached. I see no other outcome.

[echoaj]

Trump is a piece of shit. His travel ban is bullshit. His 20 billion dollar wall is bullshit. He can't read a book. He's an asshole that brags about himself and says any news is fake if it's negative about him. He is super dumb and his supporters are sycophants, unfortunately. The rest of America understands how terrible of a president he is. Almost all of America and the rest of the world protested against him. No wonder his approval rating is in the low 40s. worst president ever.

[helloitsmethere]

These next four years are going to be REALLY interesting...
Do you remember the time when visiting the President was a wonderful and exciting once in a lifetime experience for the average citizen? Yeah... we need those times back.

[LindsayRB91rds]

It's curious that you stated (correctly) that President Trump used Obama's list of failed or failing states to determine the biggest threats, and instead of saying "at least he used the information gathered by the best president in history", you're pleased that his travel ban on these counties is failing.

So if Obama had ordered the travel ban, would be calling Obama a dum-dum? Then you'd have been a racist instead of a hypocrite.

[Soteris]

Not quite sure what you are even trying to say here..

[LindsayRB91rds]

@Soteris Very simply, Obama and his team of experts decided that these 7 countries represented a threat to the security of the country. President Obama signed the Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015. The idea was to keep bad guys from these countries from coming into the country. Now Trump is using that same list and implementing a ban with an executive order and you called him a "dumb dumb". My question for you was whether you considered Obama a dum-dum too?

[Soteris]

But its not even superficially the same so how can you compare them in the first place?

[LindsayRB91rds]

@Soteris The act in 2015 sought to keep terrorists from coming into the country by denying them visas. Anyone from those 7 countries that wanted to come here was blocked until they be cleared as not being a terrorist. Then they'd get the visa and could travel here. That's what Obama signed. Trump's executive order banned all travel from foreign nationals of those same 7 countries. The aim was to prevent terrorists from coming into the country. If you want to come in and you're from one of those countries, you can request a waiver from Homeland Security who will consider the applications on a case-by-case basis.

How can you say the two are *not* superficially the same? Six presidents have done similar things, banning specific groups of people from coming here. Was Carter a dum-dum for banning Iranians in 1980? Only a handful of Iranians were known to be terrorists but he blocked them all anyway.

[Soteris]

No.. Honestly I can't even begin to imagine why we are discussing this. Aside from the racist motivation behind it, Trump literally has nothing. There is no point to this travel ban aside from stopping people from coming here. There is no end goal.. the travel ban IS the end goal.

From the motivations, the logistics, the administration to the purpose. Nothing is even close to what Obama had. Everything is just a complete mess and even if let through into practice it would just collapse under its own weight because its so poorly put together.

[LindsayRB91rds]

@Soteris You're right that there's no point discussing it. What's done is done. It was legal according to the scholars but it might have been the wrong thing to do, and stranding people on other countries that wanted to get 'home' to the US was wrong for sure. We'll see how it plays out in the courts.

[coolbreeze]

We will see how this will all turn out. Who can believe it's only been weeks and not months yet with everything that is going on.

[Soteris]

You say the constitution is the constitution but look what the right wing did to the second amendment. Its far from corruptible.

[OrionH]

I like your take I wish that Johnson won the election he was not rich like trump that is why trump won.

[legalboxers]

The majority party took a crayon to the US Constitution and wrote HA! on it!

[Iraqveteran666]

We had 8 years of an amateur. Obama was too busy hanging out with celebrities to do anything

[jacquesvol]

Just saying: US national security chiefs believe Donald Trump's Muslim ban will help ISIS www.ibtimes.co.uk/us-national-security-chiefs-believe-donald-trumps-muslim-ban-will-help-islamic-state-1605058

[jacquesvol]

And the 'ban' was redacted as if he wished it to be shot down by the courts.

[Iraqveteran666]

@jacquesvol ISIS is a Syrian problem. Time America pulled out from abroad militarily and from NATO and the UN. Belgium can handle things in Europe

[jacquesvol]

ISIS is a Syrian and an Iraqi problem the Pentagon created by creating first Al Qaeda and arming it in Afghanistan , then arming rebels in Iraq and later in Syria.

[Iraqveteran666]

@jacquesvol actually Saudi Arabia did the most arming, Belgium helped too. We are armed the mujahadin fighting the soviets in the Cold War who were overthrown by the Taliban. Al queda was formed when a UN coalition (Belgium too) interceded in 1990 Kuwaiti behalf. You could argue the roots of muslim extremism right back to the original muslim invasions of Christian lands over a thousand years ago. But I agree Obama and Clinton did arm ISIS in the early stages of the Syrian crisis.

[jacquesvol]

@Iraqveteran666 Get your facts straight, pls! The Soviets came helping at the request of the Afghan govt.
Carter armed mujaheddeen against the Afghan govt. before the Soviets came.

[Iraqveteran666]

@jacquesvol yes just like when the south Vietnamese came for help. Keep in mind it was a global struggle fought through many different wars and battlefields. If the outcome had been different you'd be queuing for bread in empty stores and yoked to the plow with no chance of self betterment through hard work or enterprise.

[jacquesvol]

@Iraqveteran666 "If___, then___would__" is not an argument but a mere supposition.

[Dred1614returns]

Enjoy the next four, hopefully 8 years. The bitterness of the left is nothing but pure amusement.