What do you think of the anti-LGBTQ protests outside a school in Birmingham?

[Britantic]

I oppose the protesters

I support the protesters

Other

[tenukitanuki]

Most of these people are getting trash educations regardless. Take it from a person who was lucky enough to grow up in a decent public system as an honors student, has seen other schools and even schemed my way to taking "dumber" classes because cool kids were there and not in my nerd ass krelborn peer group.

Everything less than an honors curriculum is absolute dogshit. Dog. Shit. Your kids are out of sight and educational things are happening but it's just chaos and farts. Teachers mostly only care about their "smart" students and it shows when you can compare. They're even waiting for their smart kids when they're teaching the dumb ones. It's like the only part of their job that they find fulfilling, which makes a bit of sense actually.

So you want to care about your kid's knowledge of gays? Are you fucking stupid? The Internet exists. You aren't censoring anything from your child's mind. In fact, stunting your kids' education whatsoever at this point in history should be considered child abuse. We currently have 5 year olds better on tech devices than fully grown adults that actually did grow up with similar tech.

We're going to be tracking completely new sets of skills in the future and so, so many kids are going to be left behind by default. This sort of stupid argumentative bullshit.

This is literally how the rich divide us. HEY STUPID POORS!!! LOOK AT THIS PETTY ISSUE WHILE WE TAKE YOUR TAXES AND SHUTTLE THEM OFFSHORE! EduuUuCaAtTionNNnN, SpoOokKyyyYYy

Your kids are gonna know gays exist you stupid fucking dipshits. If they think gays are an abomination when they're 30, do you think they're really going to adjust to society better? Because those people blend in so well to our current population, they have so many friends and get invited to so many gay-hating parties right? Idiots are basically retarding their kids so they'll be as stupid as they were

[Massageman]

That's why my daughters homeschool their kids.

[tenukitanuki]

@Massageman It's a brutal amount of work that requires the most active form of parenting, at a level where the parent must also know to socialize their children properly since they are otherwise sequestered. Even then, they'll eventually demand spending more of their life with their peer group and then you'll be better off having found a good school. Mostly the top tier of choice is anything Quaker. Classic educations are kinda kooky but there are various incarnations of Montessori, or other offbeat yet dedicated education styles. High school is only really decent for its social scene changeup as a freshman; everything after that is like you're just waiting for a bus that comes 3 years later. You can and should test out of everything possible and just keep moving.

[curiousnorway]

I think children in middle school (Age 13 - 16) should be allowed both sexual education and to be taught what homosexuality is simply because of:

1. They're in the puberty and experiences changes, so it's nice to know what's going on

2. Because of you can't really have an opinion about something as easily without knowing what it's. As long the school is neutral and only tells children what homosexuality is without promoting it, then it's okay.

How can you know if you're going to be opposed it or not without having enough information about it? In any well function democracies you needs to know both sides to make up a good opinion and be informed.

I don't think children needs to be taught about transsexualism since it's very rare and much harder for them to grasp than homosexuality, but I do however think it's okay for boys to like dolls and girls to like sports. Gender roles is a social construct and I think it's up to each person to do what they enjoys. Transsexualism is more of an university subject than a middle school one and is way more complicated.

[xXSaturnXx]

The problem here is, it's not about childrens welfare or education, it's simply just another thing to complain about. I bet you can't remember one time in recent history where there hasn't been a large group of crazies ranting and raving about something entirely irrelevant.

If children want to learn about LGBTQ stuff they are free to do so in their own time, school is for important subjects and essential skills. How are kids supposed to pay attention when there's a giant mob of IDIOTS causing a riot at the damn front gates! They clearly don't, won't or are incapable of thinking about the kids studies which is highly ironic.

Now I don't hate anybody who does the whole LGBTQ stuff, their life, their choice, but here's the thing, how is it 'your kids choice' when you're forcing their hands?

You can't educate children on LGBTQ because it's far too varied, there's like a thousand different genders, but you can't say any of them because then you're 'assuming a gender' and then people get all offended over literally nothing and OMG I'm gonna have an aneurysm, anyone with common sense will see all the flaws in their damn arguments -.-

[CountessSarah]

I really understand what their point (s) are supposed to be, their signs are possibly the least informative protest signs I've ever seen, they tell us nothing about what the problem supposedly is.

From some articles I read, this is all to do with schools have books that depict same sex couples?
Oh the humanity!
Because if we teach kids that gay couples exist, some of them will turn gay! That's how it works, right?

I also notice a hell of a lot of foreigners. If they like their old countries so much, they're always welcome to go back, I'm sure.

[CountessSarah]

*I really don't

[fauchelevent]

I think the protests are dumb. The teachers aren't going to be telling the children to be gay and have sex with each other, the same way the old sex education there didn't tell children to go off and shag. Likely there will be an LGBT+ child in that class who will grow up to be glad they were taught what they were and that their safety was considered just as important. I'm sorry that the parents dont want them to learn it but unfortunately we can't censor a child's knowledge for the parents comfort, that wouldn't be fair

[BrittBratt2416]

I don't think they would care, the problem is the lgbtq community is trying to push the lifestyle onto their children without permission. If they weren't doing this then you probably wouldn't have a riot on you hands at the moment in Birmingham. These are very same people who complain about being forced to read and learn about God in school and wanted it to stop, well the same applies here. God/religion is no longer forced on you in school because you wanted tolerance and acceptance but now don't want to show tolerance and acceptance to those who don't agree with you on lgbtq lifestyle/laws. This is why I don't support this community, they are the loudest to scream about acceptance and tolerance but are the very lasts ones to give it back.

[JoseJr]

I've said it before and Ill say it again. I have a problem with the LGBTQ community. I don't believe or like what they do but in my mind what you do behind closed doors is your business as long as you dont hurt anyone else. Its not for me to say if its correct or not. But dont push on other people. I get it that you want more equality and wit it. Im not cool with you trying to push it on kids and such. Let them decide. As in, let them be kid in school. What they do outside of school is nobody's problem or decisions besides theirs.

[Anonymous]

That all of them should be sent back to wherever they came from. You don’t go to another country, and even (most likely) live of off benefits, and not accept the culture and laws of the country. If you don’t want your kids to take part of British culture, values, school curriculum or whatever then you shouldn’t move to britain. Imagine a bunch of westerners moving to some middle eastern/african country and demand they change their culture, laws and traditions to suit OUR traditions, culture and values. Not very many people would approve of that and I don’t doubt we would rounded up and shot on the spot, or chased out the country immediately.

[Dihiya]

"Imagine a bunch of westerners moving to some middle eastern/african country and demand they change their culture, laws and traditions to suit OUR traditions", actually they did , ahem "british empire", ahem "france in north africa", ahem "europeans immigrants in north america" , do you maybe need other examples?
you overstayed, killed and stole in many countries , contributed and still do indirectly in their undevelopment ; so i guess it's only fair you accept some of the immigrants openly as consequences for your acts (or are you the only ones allowed to immigrate and enjoy a good life and privileges?)

[xyz94]

@Dihiya Just one point: those countries were already underdeveloped when the Westerners went it... That's how the Westerners were able to seize power int he first place. And it was morally terrible - I don't dispute that.

[Britantic]

@Dihiya "Imagine a bunch of Arabs and muslims moving to some middle eastern/african country and demand they change their culture, laws and traditions to suit islamic traditions." Ahem islamic caliphate , ottoman empire, barbary pirates, enslavement of Europeans& Africans, invasion of India, invasion of Spain and France, sack of Rome, conquest of Scilly, conquest of North Africa, conquest of Asia minor.
You overstayed, killed and stole in many countries , contributed nothing and still do indirectly in their undevelopment ; so i guess it's only fair you accept some of the immigrants openly as consequences for your acts (or are you the only ones allowed to immigrate and enjoy a good life and privileges?)

[Dihiya]

@Britantic
1) it isn't "conquest" but "foutouhat Islamia" (simply put they did not kill the people who didn't convert or make their life miserable, but lived side by side with them... not the case of some people, you can guess who)
2) People that converted accepted the new religion and integrated with conviction (mostly the pagans)
3) to my knowledge my country did not enslave anyone nor did it Invad any other, it was always us being Invaded by Europeans that harmed the habitant so they always fought until the foutohat came (there still was resistance, but it subsided quickly since people liked the new religion and integrated), on the other hand, when the Europeans came back (persistent huh) the resistance never stoped (= they did not want to live with us peacefully but to wipe us out of this planet)
4) i hope that you are educated enough to know that the muslims did have a developed civilisation and a golden age.
5) there is no justification for what the Europeans did to the North Americans (the real North American people)
6) In the past, present, and future (probably) white people will suck and steal the valuable resources of the underdeveloped countries

[Britantic]

@Dihiya
1. You gave conquest a new title but you still killed the soldiers of the lands you invaded, and took their widows and daughters as sex slave and castrated their sons.
2. People who didn't convert were killed, oppressed and marginalized in their own country.
3. Your country is an Arab Muslim colony.
4. The Muslim golden age was built on the backs of slaves, conquest and Roman, Jewish, Greek and Egyptian knowledge.
5. What the Europeans din in the Americas is what the Arab Muslims did in North Africa, middle East, Asia minor, Ethiopia, sudan and Persia.
6. White people are the reason your alive. Arabs have never built anything.

[Dihiya]

" ... took their widows and daughters as sex slave and castrated their sons." ?
" People who didn't convert were killed, oppressed and marginalized..." if you say so
" Your country is an Arab Muslim colony" (you need to learn some history my child)
" The Muslim golden age was built on the backs of slaves, conquest and Roman, Jewish, Greek and Egyptian knowledge." (if you chose to belive it and deny facts)
" What the Europeans did in the Americas is what the Arab Muslims did in North Africa, middle East, Asia minor, Ethiopia, sudan and Persia." really ? I don't think it was the Arabs that made my people so pour to a point where they had to eat snow in winter and walked barefoot, took their lands to give to "les colons" and taxed them until ruination (true family story), nor were they the ones that gunned men down for fun, nor did they isolate the locals and dared to call them indigenous
"White people are the reason your alive. Arabs have never built anything" don't act smart
I guess you are young and biased and supportive of your ancestors acts and history, even if they were wrong and immoral (trying to block the sun with a sieve) talking sense to you is meaningless, but I hope some day you mature enough to see things from different angles , form your own opinions after interacting and experimenting not based on what you see and hear.

[Britantic]

@Dihiya Arabs didn't have guns but Arabs are the biggest slavers in history enslaving both Africans and Europeans.

[Britantic]

@Dihiya
European slaves in Algeria 1706.

[Britantic]

@Dihiya upload.wikimedia.org/.../...smuseum_SK-A-1377.jpeg
Bombardment of Algiers by the Anglo-Dutch fleet, to support the ultimatum to release European slaves, August 1816

[Britantic]

It was perfectly just for European powers to invade and colonise you after centuries of invasions, raids and millions taken as slaves

[xyz94]

@Dihiya 4) i hope that you are educated enough to know that the muslims did have a developed civilisation and a golden age.

That golden age was over 500 years ago. The Muslim countries the Westerners invaded were ALREADY TECHNOLOGICALLY BEHIND when they entered... Now I am not saying that morally it was just, but those countries were behind, which is how the colonialists managed to take power in the first place.
As David Starkey, an historian, has noted: 'nothing important has been written in Arabic for 500 years". If you have evidence of a key scientific breakthrough recently in the Muslim world, please share it though.

[Dihiya]

@xyz94
you can just tape modern notable Arab scientists/ inventors and see what those people contributed to. although they have one point in common, they all had their careers in western countries so they actually only benefited them; my point intelligent people are everywhere, they only need their chance (sadly they don't have in Arab/Muslim countries); why?
because we have been way far behind everybody due to the "colonisation" note how every country that the European colonised either killed it's locals (America) or reduced them to a state of Ignorance and illiteracy (Neanderthals), and it's hard to raise from that especially when you have constant obstacles facing you like nonstop (and Corrupt politicians in power which brings us to the fact that white people are still sucking their old colonies)

[xyz94]

@Dihiya You seem to still be missing one crucial fact: those countries were ALREADY behind even BEFORE the European colonisers arrived.

Africa had been behind for hundreds of years even before colonialisation, and there are geographical and environment reasons (e. g. drought, famine) for that.

[Dihiya]

@xyz94
I don't see it like that; when I look at the ruins of old forts, citadels (some are still standing), vestige like "le tombeau de la chrétienne", mosques, Zaouïa, "Royaume zianide de Tlemcen"... etc, I see a civilisation and not an undeveloped country like you claim, geographically speaking we are in a very advantageous position (which got us colonized in the first place) with different climates, and variabales resources (I don't see the geographical disadvantage?)
conclusion, I think we were just like any other country developing at the same pace as everybody, but "halas" the cupidity of humans happened.

[wankiam]

stupid... the teachers aren't telling kids about bumming or carpet munching but just addressing the fact that some kids today have two mums or two dads. the head teacher at the heart of it all is actually up for a very prestigious international teaching award whilst the reactionaries stamping their feet seem oblivious to facts and reality in todays britain

[Giggletr0n]

Notice how most of those protestors belong to a very "stuck in the mud" religion, it's no wonder they hate all of this change.

[wankiam]

@Giggletr0n i do notice that but im not getting on the muslim bashing bus just yet because we see the likes of farage using the exact same tactics as the speakers at the school gates. i think its ironic actually how strict muslim preachers use the same reactionary twisting of the truth as the far right have done in the past.

[Britantic]

@Giggletr0n lol you can't say that. My previous question got deleted because i asked SJWs if they were homophobes supporting the muslim protesters or islamaphobes supporting the lgbtq against Muslims.

[wankiam]

depends what he meant. as i suggested if it was a comment on techniques used to create support, its certainly not limited to one group

[Salmon4056]

I personally don't agree with the idea of same-sex relationships being taught to be "good" or "okay" at school. For one it can be against some religious beliefs and would be considered as an attack, by the school on their beliefs. I don't believe homosexuality is good because I understand that homosexuality is considered a sin in God eyes but that does not mean I hate anyone who identifies themselves to be gay or lesbian, I just don't support the idea of same sex marriage, romance, and sexual intercourse. I believe children should enjoy their childhood, and not have any adults rush up to them asking at their age to support homosexuality, trangenders, and etc. If the protest were to support discrimination amongst kids who may identify themselves as homosexual, then I am against that.

[Goforit1010]

These people have a right to protest, just like those "pride" parades typically are. Since it involves the education of THEIR children, I believe they should have some say in what gets taught - specifically since this deals with a morality issue.

Many people consider the entire LGBTQRSTUVEXYZ thing to be highly immoral. While most liberals see homosexuality as "normal", parents would prefer THEY dealt with their kids on that, rather than the schools.

Personally, I thoroughly disagree with the homosexual lifestyle. Yet the media and liberals continue to push they on me and anyone else to accept it as "normal". I don't HAVE to accept their sexual ideas as normal at all. They reject my heterosexual ideas and moral beliefs, so why should they expect me to accept their lifestyle?

[xyz94]

They deal with their kids on that by teaching them homophobia. Being gay isn't a morality issue, or it shouldn't be - gay people don't choose to be gay. They can't help how they feel. Why should they be single and unhappy all their lives? Who for? To please people who don't like them because of some Stone Age religion?

[Goforit1010]

@xyz94 - that's where we totally disagree. Homosexuality IS a morality issue. The Bible condemns it as a sin, and a major one at that. God destroyed 2 cities because of it. Being gay IS a choice. People choose to want to be gay. There is absolutely zero scientific evidence of a "gay gene". Rather than believe the lies that the LGBT groups like to push to support their positions, start looking at it from a sin standpoint.

You also mentioned that's how people "feel". I get the impression you're describing an emotional response to another person when it comes to gay-ness. Emotions are like the wind. They come and go. Living your life based on emotions (how you "feel") will always get you in trouble. It's simply not a smart way to live and make decisions.

What you (and far too many others) call homophobia - no one I know has a fear of homosexuals, many of us see homosexuality like stealing, lying, adultry, murder, and a host of other sinful practices.

[xyz94]

It's only a morality issue for certain religious people, and modern Britain does not have a religious government. Religion is (or should be) a private issue. Abortion is legal in the UK even though some strict Catholics might think it is wrong. We don't let religious morality influence law making in 2019.

[dublin_sexyeyes0]

Im sick and tired of all this gender identity bollox. If uve a penis you're male, a vagina female, both hermaphrodite. getting a sex change is fair enuf no issues or even dressing as either for fun is good. But pushing this agenda - and yes it IS being pushed - onto kids who we constantly hear are incapable if making informed decisions about sex is outrageous. Let them be kids ffs... kids have no fear or prejiduces and "we" as a society can't fucking help LABELLING each other. As David Icke brilliantly put it, regarding this gender issue, if something comes out of nowhere and is suddenly everywhere almost overnight then its an agenda.

[ThisDudeHere]

Most of the protesters look nothing like British people, what right do they have to protest if they're unwilling to integrate into the country?

And I'm not saying they should immediately accept the whole gay thing but jeez, at least wear get rid of the desert gear.

[hughjanus1990]

they are replacing the brits kinda not in a bad way most Muslims are pro family
the far left are anti family ... now use this against the left

[ThisDudeHere]

@hughjanus1990 yeah they're so pro-family that they're marrying their own cousins

[hughjanus1990]

ok thats wrong didn't know that

[cth96190]

I agree with the protestors.
It is not often that I would side with Muslims.
Schools should not be used to groom children for molestation by paedophiles, or to persuate children to try homosexual sex.
What is happening is not education. It is indoctrination as per one facet of the Communist Manifesto (Marx, 1854).
I would like to round up everyone involved in this sickness a one-way journey in a locked rail car.

[HeyThere94]

Muslims are beyond stupid

They are always wrong

[FroztyDaHoMan]

I totally agree with the protesters. When those kids grow up if they want to support the LGBT that is their choice they don't need to be brainwashed to support them at a young age so this way of thinking stays with them foreve. But his is how LGBT works they will use any dirty trick to try to push their agenda. Also kids should not be taught anything pertaining to sex unless it is sex ed. You teach them about gays you cannot do it without talking about who they are attracted to and that kind of talk should be left to the parents. These sickos want to plant this stuff in a kid's head who should be enjoying their childhood not thinking about these things.

[RetroAlpha]

LGBTQ issues are just an extension of sex ed, in my opinion. People are sometimes afraid of change. Some of those individuals will respond to trepidation with anger and even violence. As long as they are just screaming and waving signs, I say we should let them. If they want to take it to the next level, though, I would side with the LGBTQ folks.

[xyz94]

It's not sex education for the young children, it's literally just telling them that they might see children with two dads or two mums, to prevent bullying.

[RetroAlpha]

@xyz94 Either way, it's information that they need. If adults don't tell them, then they'll get bogus info from their wanker friends at school! :D

[purplepoppy]

All the schools are doing is making kids aware that other people have different lifestyles. There not promoting homosexuality as being this great choice the kids ought to take up. The problem is us non muslim straight people are either going to be hit by a guy with a handbag or blown up by one with a rucksack.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Kids need to be informed. That information, in a ideal world, is given at home. Since many parents don't have the knowledge or simply don't talk about it, yes schools should pass the right information and educate the children.
"My kid my choice". NO! No no no! Your kid needs to be made into a informed human being whatever you want it or not! School is mandatory for a reason, it's because it doesn't matter if it is your kid he need to learn period!

[Милашка]

What will it give to children?

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Милашка It's part of social and sexual education. When you talk about relationships adults have you have to teach that some envolve people of the same sex.

[Милашка]

Education? So knowing about that anomalia makes children educated?

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Милашка anomalia? Homosexuals are not an anomalia.

[Милашка]

Why should kids know about their sexual lifestyle? I'd feel embarassed if I taught stuff like that.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Милашка You will explain different things according to the children's age. No one talks about what is actually sex, even heterosexual sex, to a 8 year old.

[Милашка]

So whay is there to explain children about homosexuality?

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Милашка Simply that it exists. It is a thing.

[Милашка]

So what it exists?

[xyz94]

@Милашка Yes, it's easily. Children know that most people have a mum and a dad, and that mum and dad love each other. So you just say that some children have two dads or two mums. Kids don't need to know about sex at all.

[Милашка]

@xyz94 why should kids know that?

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Милашка To no shut kids who do aside for example.

[Милашка]

Please elaborate?

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Милашка Kids can be marginalized by others for having two fathers. My mother is a teacher and has seen this happen.

[Милашка]

they should. Why would anyone think it's ok to have 2 dads?

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Милашка And that sentence just made me sure we are never going to agree on this.

[Милашка]

of course. You want to fuck up kids' brains for the sake of making lgbt people good

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Милашка How is teeling kids that others might have two moms or two dads mess with their head?

[Милашка]

becasue it's not normal to have 2 dadies or 2 moms

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

@Милашка And ou think that because no one taught you otherwise when you were a kid.

[Милашка]

You can teach kids anything. doesn't make it right.

[xyz94]

@Милашка It isn't about right or wrong from a religious perspective, it's about behaving with respect towards others in society, it's citizenship basically.

[Милашка]

@xyz94 letting children know about gay couple's sexual lifestyle is fucked up.
I wouldn't want my children to accept it.

[Ámayas_20]

It's not often I'll say muslims did the right thing but here they have. There is no need to introduce kids to these things at school, not to mention they'll be taught with an agenda rather than a unbiased knowledge that these people exist (Which I still wouldn't want done in schools)

[HeyThere94]

Muslims are always wrong

[MrMilti]

I think this is outrageous.

These people willingly moved to a country that values lgbt rights and now they want to end that. Why did they move there in the first place?

I would not move to an arabic country and then demand sacularism. Morons...

[Britantic]

I think they are 2nd or 3rd generation immigrants

[curiousnorway]

Probably because of 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants as Britantic says, but also because of many people wants to move to a country with high paying jobs.

Actually, Amnesty International knows there are cultural differences - yet they're against certain things and sees it as human right violation.

[SkipStop]

I support them. I don't want my children to be brainwashed and messed up. Our schools have turned to sh*t because of the loud libtards. If I have a son, he is straight and masculine. If I have a daughter, she is straight and feminine. We need to stop funding libtard schools and colleges. I am not giving my tax money to destroy children.

[CrazyKittyLady]

What if they turned out gay or lesbian? Or what if they choose to be the opposite of how you raised them? You can't predict your kid's sexualities.

[BrittBratt2416]

@CrazyKittyLady that is true. And i think that's something people want for their kids or themselves to be figured out and not forced on them.

[SkipStop]

@CrazyKittyLady They can change when they become adults. But as kids, they need to be raised like natural human beings.

[FroztyDaHoMan]

@CrazyKittyLady If they turn out to be those things ok but don't try to normalize that when they are young kids so they think the way you want them to think let them decide how they feel about it when the time comes

[hughjanus1990]

@CrazyKittyLady
true but teaching kids to accept others would make more since

[Phanta]

Vote B. I have always supported the fair treatment of GLBTQ people as far as jobs, housing, and being treated kindly. But at this juncture they are trying to shove their agenda down people's throat. Children should not be exposed to content of a sexual nature.

[MannySimms]

Could you please tell us what their agenda is?

[Phanta]

@MannySimms : To permeate society with bisexuality, sexual liberalism, and gender fluidity.

[xyz94]

You cannot teach someone how to be gay or 'turn' them gay or gender fluid; people are born that way. Do you choose who you feel attracted to, or does it just happen? Why do you expect that gay people chose who they are attracted to?

[Phanta]

@xyz94 : What you're typing is simply false, and what they teach about being born that way is simply false.

[xyz94]

@Phanta it isn't "simply false" at all - what evidence do you have to back up that claim? There is evidence for biological causes of homosexuality.

[Phanta]

@xyz94 : Most people believe what they want to believe, and no amount of evidence will convince them otherwise.

[xyz94]

@Phanta so tell me then, what makes you think that, for hundreds of years, when gay people were prosecuted (or worse, killed) for being gay, gay people still existed and were 'caught' in the process of homosexual acts? Also, do you choose to be straight? Do you choose who you are attracted to? What makes you think gay people do choose?

[Phanta]

@xyz94 : Read Chapter XXX (30) on the website: www.thezap.net

[MannySimms]

I have a great idea! Why not use the scientific method? Choose bisexuality for a week or 2 and let us know how that worked out for you.

We'll wait...

[AlexanderBrunnrgaard]

It's one of those exceedingly rare instances were us Christians and Muslims actually agree with each other.
But to address the technicalities: Schools have no business in indoctrination of our young to abandon their given genders in favor of something so ludicrous as those gender-fluidity studies who's all but been dismissed by all serious academia for lack of actual scientific basis and methods of research.

[Jjpayne]

This is a tough topic to comment on because there is the overall right of people in general and the overall right of people to share a belief and both of them do not always meet. It is ok for a person to make choices and it is ok for a person to choose to belief what that they want. However, it is a key to allow people with beilefs their choice and people that don't share their people to still be treated with respect for their choice