"Johnson & Johnson Vaccinations Paused After Rare Clotting Cases Emerge": Now Can You See/Understand Why Some People are Hesitant To Be Vaccinated?

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N192K001 · Accepted Answer

True!  What demographics are more prone to seriously adverse side-effects, under what frequency, and subject to what contributing factors? With a massive amount of the industry-standard research & development time slashed, it's often unknown and/or unpublished. Add to that the fact that's  it's basically unnecessary for my demographic . I'm told vaccines will cut my chances of hospitalization and/or death from COVID. But what does the Washington's Federal-level Centers for Disease Control (C. D. C.) website itself report? “What to Do If You Are Sick” 🇺🇸 「 Most people have mild illness  and are able to recover at home. 」 17 March 2021 “Interim Clinical Guidance for Management of Patients with Confirmed Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19)” 🇺🇸 16 February 2021 「 Illness Severity A large cohort that included more than 44,000 people with COVID-19 from China, showed that  illness severity can range from mild to critical: •  Mild to moderate (mild symptoms up to mild pneumonia): 81% • Severe (dyspnea, hypoxia, or more than 50% lung involvement on imaging): 14% • Critical (respiratory failure, shock, or multiorgan system dysfunction): 5% …  Among U. S. COVID-19 cases  reported January 22–May 30, 2020,  overall the proportion of people who were hospitalized was 14% , including 2% admitted to the intensive care unit (ICU). Overall 5% of patients died. 」 In other words, chances of hospitalization are pretty low just by default. Do I really need some untested, rushed product to cut down a mere 14% for me? What about  chances of death in general? “Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics” 2 September 2020 「 Comorbidities Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19).  For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned.  For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death. The number of deaths with each condition or cause is shown for all deaths and by age groups. 」 In other words, COVID within U. S.-borders very rarely killed as the sole cause of death. I have no serious illnesses, at all. But, how about  for my demographics?  Let's check the North Carolina (N. C.) Department of Health & Human Services (H. H. S.)'s official, regularly-updated dashboard:  Deaths of Asian & Pacific Islanders: '1% (126 patients)' for the whole N. C., while '2% (11)' in my county. Deaths of patients aged 25-49: '3% (429)' State-wide or '3 (21)' for my county. Hence, do I really need an untrusted product with no industry-standard seals of approval from relevant authorities (instead of a rushed emergency-authorization) to reduce a mere 6%max -1%min chance for me? I think not. Media can hype for whatever reasons they have, but the numbers tell a different story… for my demographics, at least. Hence, I'm not taking it… at least, until all the vaccines' side-effect-vulnerable demographics have definitively been mapped-out together with the complete listing of harmful effects, frequencies, and causal-factors. And those are just the immediate effects. How about the long-term side-effects? I want those known and mapped-out, too!

MasterOfReality · Accepted Answer

Yes. I’ve been hesitant from day one. I feel they rushed them through and out, and have been pressuring people to take them for too long. None of the mRNA injections have not been approved by the FDA (only EUA- emergency use authorization status, which they give to experimental drugs). None of them keep you from picking up or spreading the virus (like conventional vaccines do). And the recovery rate from Covid is now 99.6% per the CDC. So why the pressure on everyone? Unless you are elderly or have high health risk factors, I don’t see the point in taking the chance on this experiment. Less than 100 kids under tha age of 18 have died in the US so far from Covid.. Out of the 500k!! So kids definitely shouldn’t take it. No one knows the long term effects from taking these gene therapy injections (they are not vaccines), and won’t for some time.
I’m becoming more concerned with the hysteria and bullying of those of us who are hesitant to be honest. Talks about Covid shot passports?
Of you are elderly or have health factors, fine. Take the shot. The virus can be worse on you than the shot may be.. But stop trying to bully and intimidate the rest of us into receiving it. Especially since taking does not even prevent the spread of it.

Cynicaldreamer · Accepted Answer

Hmm, where to even start...

As most people on here know, I'm work in a hospital. And for a short period of time, I assisted at a vaccine clinic as a Coordinator. Not by choice; I was voluntold to- but it was a good experience as I learned a lot about the different vaccines, their effects, and peoples reactions to them. Most importantly, the general public's views on the vaccines.

When I heard Johnson and Johnson made a vaccine, along with its efficiency rate against covid? I was not impressed.

Unlike Pfizer, which is known for making vaccines, J&J has NEVER made a vaccine. But of course people were eager to get it due to the, "one and done" type of shot it offers compared to Pfizer and Moderna which are two doses.

I warned my family and friends against it because I knew it seemed too good to be true.
Honestly, I discourage people from taking any of the vaccines right now; however, for the ones that are hellbent on taking one, I encourage them to take one of the two dose vaccines due to their higher efficiency against the virus, and they've been out a bit longer.

Now as a disclaimer, I have nothing against J&J: they make great products. But have y'all heard the old saying, "If it's too good to be true, it probably is?" Yeah.
As soon as the FDA announced they were holding off on the J&J vaccine due to how it's been causing clotting in some women? I just shook my head. I'm not surprised; I'm not. I know that sounds callous...

I have no shame in admitting that I am in no rush to get ANY of the vaccines. Not until they've out a bit longer, tested, and ALL potential side effects are documented. If those of you that did get the vaccine don't grow a tail in the next year or so, I 'might' reconsider getting it... maybe.

I could go on and rant about this topic all night, but I'm not turning your question into a mytake.
I hope everyone that chooses to be vaccinated thoroughly does your research, knows which vaccine you're getting, and is aware of any potential side effects it might cause. If you don't get it? That's fine too. I'm not judging people either way. You do what's best for you.

Alyssa11 · Accepted Answer

Well I found out today that birth control pills causes blood clots more frequently than covid vaccines. It really makes us think why we were so okay with women being exposed to these drugs but suddenly not ok with everyone being exposed to these vaccines...

Massageman · Answer

OK - let's do the math.

Five out of every million people get a cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) blood clot each year, without the vaccine. That is 1/200,000.
Six people receiving the J&J vaccine got the clot. ALL six of them were women aged 18 to 48 years old. Those six people were out of 6.8 million people who received the J&J vaccine. That is 1/1,133,333.333, so compared to the "natural" rate of occurrence, people are 5.667 times more likely to get the clot through natural causes than the vaccine. And then- based on these findings- the vaccine most likely will only effect child-bearing age women.

Please don't get me wrong: I am not a huge fan of "big pharma". And I am not undervaluing the danger that this clot can cause: CVST is a rare type of clot that builds in the brain's sinus channels. The clot can block the channels from draining blood from the brain, which can lead to a hemorrhage. It occurs in five out of one million people each year.

Perhaps the exaggerated, knee-jerk reactions of the government to otherwise valid but rare concerns is part of the reason people are so ticked off with this whole situation.

DJB72 · Answer

Six women out of seven million administered vaccinations. And that's just in the USA.

Contracting Covid-19 is about ten thousand times more likely to kill you than the vaccine. Even if it doesn't the long term effects of a serious case of covid can be devastating. Covid left me in a coma for 3 months and so physically weakened that the only way to save my life after I'd finally beaten the virus was to amputate my right leg below the knee because antibiotics don't only go to the site of the infection, and the impact on the rest of my body would have been fatal.

Have the vaccine. Wear a mask. Sanitise your hands. Social distance.

My right to life is a basic human right. You don't have the right to endanger other people's lives because of your selfish stupidity.

The vaccine isn't how the government tracks your location. The GPS in your phone is. Your credit card purchase history is. The traffic cameras photographing your car is. Your social security number tells them where you work, what you earn, where you live, your date of birth and if you're married or single. Your medical records tell them your blood type.

If you don't exclusively eat food you grew yourself on land you farm organically using compost you generate yourself you don't have the right to refuse the vaccine because you "don't know what's in it". List every ingredient in the burger you ate recently - including all the feed and antibiotics given to the cow and the fertiliser used to grow the salad, plus the exact ingredients in the ketchup, mayo or "special" sauce on it. If you can do that on a molecular level then you can try to justify not knowing the ingredients of the vaccine as an excuse.

But not before.

DudeDiligence · Answer

More than seven million people in the United States have received the Johnson & Johnson vaccine so far, and there have been six cases of the blood clotting issue.

Meanwhile more than half a million people have died from COVID in the US.

Can you understand why people question the "logic" of anti-vaxxers?

"Johnson & Johnson Vaccinations Paused After Rare Clotting Cases Emerge": Now Can You See/Understand Why Some People are Hesitant To Be Vaccinated?

Look, we all realize there is a small risk to taking a vaccine. But it is nothing compared to the risk we ALL face if society doesn't vaccinate. What pisses me off is the people who want it both ways... they want to benefit from the herd immunity that will result from widespread vaccine administration but they don't want to take on the personal risk and responsibility of doing their own part in that equation.

To all you anti-vaxxers out there I say you're welcome. You're welcome for the privilege of being an anti-vaxxer that is afforded to you by the rest of us who actually do our part.

JamieLoves · Answer

Denmark became the first country in Europe to abandon use of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine, after the country and more than a dozen other European Union nations suspended its usage.

Denmark’s health agency director, Soren Brostrom, said Denmark won’t use the shot as part of its vaccination campaign—even as the World Health Organization (WHO) and EU’s European Medicines Agency (EMA) have said the benefits of using the AstraZeneca shot outweigh the negatives amid reports of rare blood clots.

“Overall, we must say that the results show that there is a real and serious side effect signal in the vaccine from AstraZeneca,” said Brostrom in a statement. “Based on an overall consideration, we have therefore chosen to continue the vaccination programme for all target groups without this vaccine.”

Noting that it’s been a “difficult decision” to make, Brostrom said the “upcoming target groups for vaccination are less likely to become severely ill from COVID-19,” and officials “must weigh this against the fact that we now have a known risk of severe adverse effects from vaccination with AstraZeneca, even if the risk in absolute terms is slight.”

Danish officials previously said that two people who had received the vaccine against the CCP virus suffered from severe blood clots. One of them died, they said last month.

The CCP (Chinese Communist Party) virus is also known as the novel coronavirus.

RingOfFire · Answer

6 people out of SEVEN MILLION had a problem. SIX out of SEVEN MILLION. And how many out of 7 million died because of it... ready? ONE... ONE!

That's probably less people who have this problem than you would get if you picked seven million people AT RANDOM who didn't get the vaccine! And they can't even prove the vaccine had to do with ANY of these cases (not that 6 cases would make any difference even if it did... more people die from ASPRIN every year!).

This is a JOKE. You don't shut down a vaccine because 0.00001% of the people who got it died. And you can't even say that is WHY they died or if the vaccine had anything to do with it.

Sorry, something else is going on here and it's not science. It's evil politics.

The Democrats are trying to make people scared of the vaccine TO PROLONG THE PANDEMIC. They sided early on to support this communist Chinese WMD terrorist attack and they are still doing their bidding. They are using the Chinese WMD virus as an excuse to TAKE AWAY YOUR FREEDOM AND CREATE AN AUTHORITARIAN ONE PARTY DICTATORSHIP just like the communists in China have. Their next step will be to turn the keys to America over to the Chinese.

Oigit · Answer

I can see why people are and it does cause me to shrug my shoulders.
I have had several major operations and other medical procedures over the years. In a lot of ways I'm numb to roll of the dice that is many medical procedures. So it's not that I don't see why. It's more a case of it being another roll of the dice and understanding that something can happen. People are fully allowed to be hesitant to get vaccinated or refuse to do so. Just understand that it is a roll of the dice if you do or don't. Much like getting a vaccine and many other medical procedures.

loveslongnails · Answer

Things people do that are riskier than the J & J vaccine:

Being out in a storm> chance of being struck by lightning, 1 in 700,000
Odds of dying in a vehicle crash in the USA - roughly 1 in 6,000
Dying in a skydiving accident - 1 in 100,000 !!
Getting herpes from a one night stand, unprotected sex - 1 in 3.5 !!!

ALL of those things are FAR riskier than the vaccine. People also won't fly because they're afraid of dying in a plane crash, even the odds are 1 in 60 million !!! I don't understand them, and I don't understand anti-vaxxers. The Pfizer vaccine is more effective anyway, so get that if you can.

JDavid25 · Answer

That's just the tip of the Iceberg.. By January 18th the VAERS report system had recorded over 7000 Covid Vaccine injuries, and 181 deaths from the Vaccine.. It's much more by now.. And VAERs only reports 1% of bad affects by vaccines since it's a passive report system dependent on the people affect to report it themselves.. Not to mention the companies who made the vaccines are attempt from any responsibility of injuries the vaccines cause.. So if these people really cared about our safety they wouldn't have cast safety net for themselves in case their products killed or harmed people..

coachTanthony · Answer

I don't know how many times did I get the flu shot in the past and still got the FLU? At least twice that I know of so... vaccines are not the end all be all no matter how you choose to view them. Staying healthy, having a strong immune system I think will always be the best route to go.

ZackBan · Answer

Further proof that you can't cheat death. When your hour is up you're gone.
Vaccine no Vaccine face mask a helmet, staying in going out. They all don't ammount to much when constant risk of death circles around us all the time.

The food we eat the water we drink the streets we cross all can kill us at any time.

For over a year the world torn it's own foundation apart in fear of death and for what? We all die it's just a question of when what we can do is live life to the fullest.

I thinl this is the hardest lesson this pandemic has taught us: even the most stable and constant things in life are fleeting and we should take it in while we have the chance.

Static_In_The_Attic · Answer

The only thing I would trust from J&J are their band aids & it’s like ever time I turn on the news all you see is J&J for their talcum powder causing cancer to the vaccine & more.

OlderAndWiser · Answer

I understand the argument but consider this. According to the National Institute of Health, "the reported incidence of venous thromboembolism in users of oral contraceptives is about 0.06 per 100 pill-years." www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../

That means that for every 100,000 women who use oral contraceptives for an entire year, six of them will develop some form of venous thromboembolism. According to the CDC, in 2018, there were 9.1 million women in the US using oral contraceptives. That means that there were approximately 5,460 women in the US who developed blood clots in 2018 as a result of using oral contraceptives.

So far, I believe that there have been 6 reported cases of blood clots associated with the J&J vaccination.

FatherJack · Answer

The very hasty rollout , the way they are HEAVILY pushed , this " vaccine passport " BS , which is attempted medical apartheid , and a high percentage of adverse side effects , should ring alarm bells. All for an illness with 0.3% fatality rate at the most. It's a NO from me.

BirdshotJohn · Answer

Yup: I believe that Operation Warp Speed by Trump was a good measure to get vaccines available quickly, well done.

But do I blame someone for saying "Hey, you just shut off half the safety measures on that ambulance to make it go faster, I don't think I want to get in as a passenger now."? Not at all.

I would recommend vaccination to anyone who faces significant odds of death from the Wuhan Flu, if you're 80+, have underlying conditions, etc; then the risks of vaccination are likely outweighed by the benefits. If you're young and healthy at present, waiting for more data on the vaccinations is the cautious move to make.

jshm2 · Answer

No. Don't be daft.

People die in car accidents because air bags suffocate them, or seat belts cause internal injuries. It does not mean they must disable both at all times. The few that are unlucky to be injured are a small proportion compared to the many who are saved by them.

In the case of the vaccines, it's not likely to be the vaccine itself that is the issue. Rather a rare allergic reaction to one of the ingredients in the reagent itself. Hence the reason people with severe allergies are recommended to shield rather than vaccinate at the moment.

genericname85 · Answer

i love how the german Robert Koch Institute (which is basically the german national version of the WHO) stated: "there will be deaths in temporal proximity to a vaccination. we will have to pay very close attention to distinquish between people that just happened to die after taken the vaccine and those that actually died "to" the vaccine"...
meanwhile that same institute is counting everyone that dies with a positive test as covid death.

it's like they actually know how shit works but they intentionally do it wrong and have a double standard to keep hyping the disease while also advertising for the vaccine.

PinkHamster · Answer

What makes it worse is that they know very well it is from the vaccine and still they keep fooling people that it was not from it!!! Excuse me! Even some young and healthy people had those affects and experiences so what does that mean! Something’s wrong with it and they’re not telling us the truth. 💕✨

Leavesbound · Answer

NO. This is not reason enough to be hesitant. You have a better chance of being struck dead by lightning than by dying from the J&J vaccine. If you get the vaccine you have one chance out of six million of dying from it. If you don't get any vaccine you have one chance in 660 of dying from COVID 19. Always go with the option that gives you the best odds. 1 out of 6 million is vastly better odds than 1 out of 660. I made a similar decision when I got cancer. The doctor warned me that chemo had side effects and that there was a 1 chance in 1000 that chemo would kill me. I asked about the odds if I didn't get chemo and he said there as one chance in 1000 that I would survive a year. I went with the chemo. That was 14 years ago. Two days ago I got my second pfizer vaccine. My only side affect was a few hours of soreness at the vaccine site similar to a mild bruise.

CasaNorba · Answer

not surprised at all, hell I get into a lot of drama every time I bring this up in this site how bad that vaccine is. is funny how people who do research, ask questions and are reluctant over their health get labeled as "ignorant" nowadays but the people who believe everything they see on the news get praise for their so called "intelligence"

DrunkenMaster · Answer

It's gonna be another 8-12 months before I'm able to the vaccine, so hopefully all the issues will be sorted out by then. Best case scenario , the pandemic is over by then and i don't have to get it cause I'm scared of needles 😂

Being cautious of the vaccine is normal tho. people who say you don't believe in science are dickheads. In order to believe in science , you have to question science. Questioning the vaccine is pro science.

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