Do you think the state government of Texas, The police and officials should be scrutinized for their actions (or lack thereof) in the Uvalde shooting? (Page 2)
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Yes, I believe *ALL* law enforcement should be scrutinized when such an event goes down.
That being said, I acknowledge that it's entirely possible the police were following protocol and doing the right thing. I simply don't know... and unless you were there, neither does anyone reading this.
Protocol is to go towards gunshots and take out the shooter. Not to stand in the hallway and yell for kids to yell back if they need help. Thus giving kids hiding spots out to the killer. That's not protocol at all
Well somebody went after the gunman while the cops were outside. An off duty Border Patrol Officer.
https://www. MSN. com/en-us/news/us/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-off-duty-cbp-agent-saves-students-daughter-after-help-text-from-teacher-wife/ar-AAXMAMj
Regardless of a good or bad outcome I think an official review of major events like this is just beneficial to identify what happened, what went well or poorly and what could be done better next time. Putting aside any accusations of corruption involved I just think its a sign of weakness not to review your own performance in critical situations.
Oh yeah. They are responsible for those kids dying, period. And I hope the parents sue the fuck out of everyone involved
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghRoJgsvtyc
Have you noticed that the defund the police politicians are being silent about that?
I wonder why?
@CandiceK I'm not for defunding the police. NY boyfriend is a cop lol. But unfortunately man I'm tired of cops not doing their jobs when they need to. All of the cops who stayed outside the classroom while those kids called begging for help are responsible for those kids deaths. And should be held accountable
@Koneko911 Unfortunately, the police have no legal duty to protect anyone. The courts have affirmed that several times and I don’t think you can sue them either. It’s why I carry a weapon. In a situation like that, you’re probably on your own until law enforcement can get a tactical team there.
I'm not going to blame all the cops, because they were following the orders of the site commander. Just like I don't blame our soldiers in Iraq. They're just following orders. I hope that site Commander is on trial for 19 counts of murder. And I hope the school superintendent is on trial, for having doors that don't lock from the outside. You would think after all these school shootings they could figure that out. And I think the teacher who propped that door open should go on trial. And why aren't there a few qualified teachers that carrying Glocks? And why didn't the cops do more to that guy since they had to go to his house constantly for domestic abuse? And how come social media can pick up on a little tiny disinformation thing, but couldn't pick up on all this guy talking about killing his grandmother?
@CandiceK the teacher I feel bad for. They made a mistake that cost lives of so many. They already must feel shitty. The cops though they choose to let kids die
School district is probably going to be in about 19 lawsuits. And I'm sure the police department will be sued too.
@CandiceK I don't disagree with the doors being locked but let's be real with an assault rifle I think it can shoot through a first story window and just walk through that.
It lock, police, active shooter. . Active shooter trump's lock. We need police that want to protect it's citizens
@Friendlybro79
"It lock, police, active shooter. . Active shooter trump's lock"
I don't know what that even means.
@CandiceK I did not make sense let me clarify. I was half asleep. I was making a Rock paper scissors reference and changed it to include locks, police, shooter... shooter trumps locks meaning a lock isn't going to I stop someone who can shoot through it or a window and walk in.
Excuse the typos.
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I don't think shooting at a metal door, but yes, he could shoot out the windows. Maybe they need metal bars on the windows.
@CandiceK I'm not being argumentative to you. This is just frustrating. I think they need more gun control and better mental healthcare. What's after bars. All kids wear vests?
It should be the officers in scene, the police department and if their training it state training or policies led to that, then those should be held partially responsible too. Those officers chose their own safety over the safety of those kids and that’s not ok. They did not protect and serve.
So it turns out "good guys with guns" are pussies. So that Republitard excuse of MORE guns being the answer was total bullshit all along. What a fucking surprise.
No. All it means is that since we can’t trust the authorities, we should have the right to defend ourselves
Lol laughable supercutebutt. Clearly the concept of good guys with guns is beyond you. See what we mean as 2A supporters is armed citizens. This shooting took place in a school… which is a gun free zone. Not just by request of a sign that depending on state laws may or may not have any legal power. Schools are law backed gun feee zones. If a teacher or a staff member what have you brings a gun to work. Hell even if they had it locked in their vehicle on the property and are caught not only would they face termination of employment but legal consequences as well.
Gun free zones don’t leave any opportunity for “good guys with guns “ because well they are law abiding citizens.
This is exactly why the 2A crowd keeps saying so loudly that more gun laws won’t help and will just harm the law abiding good citizens. Because while we are following the law and doing the right thing criminals are not. And won’t
@Thatbaldguy Right. And the USA is the gun death capital of the world because guns make us safe. Give it a rest. Nobody believes your asinine bullshit.
Everything should be scrutinized.
There was a sniper attack in Dallas years ago. The police sent an explosive robot in to kill him. Making him the first person killed by UAV drone in America. That shoulda been scrutinized, even tho i agree with it.
Since when have you heard of a Govenor taking over for police tactics during tragic times? Lol last i check Law enforcement dispatch is not in the Gov's office lol and it took the news awhile to catch the story. They're crazy people out there & thhings happen you can criticize people for not handling it and you can't blame a govenor who is not at ever local police dept when bad things happen lol
This shows why people need to be armed the police are useless to help citizens they spend more money on speeding radar then gear to protect the public they should be shames of themselves and all of you that think to defund the police this it what you will get hope you like it they look like mall cops
I don't see why the Governor needs be investigated, but the law enforcement response definitely does, and it will be scrutinized heavily as part of the discovery process when the city of Uvalde is sued.
The performance of the police has been a major topic for a long time so its not like the governor would be unfamiliar with the potential problem and if he is complicit in the bad behavior of the police then quite frankly he should be held accountable for neglecting his duties as a governor to oversee the police.
@Soteris: We all know what sort of sophistry you continually come up with no matter what the topic, but like virtually all leftist Europeans, you don't bother to actually learn how things work in a US state before you start talking out of your ass.
Ask yourself exactly how a governor of a US state is going to be complicit in the lack of training of local police who are funded by and under the control of their locality, much less their inability to deal with an actual school shooter, a scenario local police should be trained and equipped for.
So how in the world could the Governor of Texas be "complicit" (a very serious charge, by the way), in the failure of the Uvalde Police Department?
And it's especially pathetic hearing some European leftist talk out of his ass on this topic when it was his fellow leftists in the US who screamed long and loud about "defunding the police".
If I am not mistaken the local police reports to the governor thus making him ultimately responsible for their general performance which would include training.
@Soteris; Local police do not report to the Governor, and the on-site commander was the local Uvalde police chief. Local police report to the mayor if it's a strong mayor locality or city manager (in Uvalde's case, the mayor). State police do report to the executive branch and therefore the Governor, local police do not. It's different from Europe.
Local police are primarily trained locally.
@Soteris: Incidentally, there was some relevant training conducted recently in Uvalde:
www.ksat.com/.../
Funny. This handbook says you are wrong.
www.unodc.org/.../...y_Oversight_and_Integrity.pdf
Ah, sorry. Wrong handbook. That is for a different organization *sigh*
So, a few questions then. Is the governor of Texas the one who appoints the director to the Texas Commission of Law Enforcement? Furthermore, is the governor of Texas the one who provides the funding for the police? Furthermore, is the governor receiving reports regarding the police?
You clearly have no idea what the role of the legislature is or how state government works in the US. If you think that governors are responsible when there are school shootings, perhaps you can locate a court ruling to that effect. But I think your time would be better spent reading a book on US Constitutional Law.
I very much doubt that the Governor of Texas receives reports on local police unless there's a state issue. He's got law enforcement at the state level to be concerned with, after all.
Imagine how many lives could have been saved if one of those teachers had a gun and blew that kid away as soon as he entered class. These mentally I’ll murderers wouldn’t even target schools anymore if they knew teachers were trained and armed.
Like any crime scene, this will be examined and scrutinized, and recommendations made to improve how future similar situations are handled.
I support police but I can't figure why they waited 40mins to breach. I'm ex--military we just did what had to be done damn the risk when kids are involved
The only reason these shootings happen is because of the availability of guns, the second amendment is a disgusting joke.
The right itself isn't a joke but the lack of licensing, background check and that not all people should qualify for one (felonies etc).
The police should be held accountable for that, not the government nor the governor. The police responded first and their officers that were on scene showed their cowardice.
Let all the facts come together first. I’m more critical of why the school wasn’t more secure
That too
They need to come up with an excuse other than that they were all Cowards including the Texas Rangers. For waiting over an hour allowing that Psychotic 18 year old to kill 19 children other than that they are just Cowards!
Every Texas Ranger deserves the point of inept Trained Security Guard at the State Fair, Thy are committed complete Idiot's!
There just Cowards, beginning and end of it!
In Essence All Law Enforcement Essentially Enabled The Texas Rangers and multiple State An Federal law enforcement agencies to Kill more teachers and children because they were Cowards.
He closed a door. Don't you know doors are like magic and can stop anything, including shooters and cops?
Fucking Republicans... "Doors!!"
Texas Rangers are freaking Idiot Cowards that like Barney Fife from mayberry should only be allowed to carry One Bullet in their shirt pocket and be responsible for crossing guard duty and they probably would be responsible for even more deadly crimes given their own incompetence. I realized that was a big word for all Law Enforcement Agencies in Texas. It means that you're just to Stupid, you freaking Cowards
Government: Give us your guns so we can protect you
Also government: You expect us to go in there with an active shooter? You're crazy!
I agree the police should have acted right away on it, but they failed to do so this is why people are blaming Gov. Abbott.
The Uvalde police do not answer to the Governor, and the on-site commander was the local Uvalde police chief, who answers to the Uvalde mayor, not the Governor.
Kind of a gray area. The day after the incident Biden was making a speech regarding defunding the police and police reform which makes less cops