It depends on what constitutes good appearance. American men are conditioned to believe that following fashion trends and investing a lot of work into one's own appearance are feminine qualities. For a man to admit he follows fashion would be to invite teasing from his friends and accusations of being gay. Also, the American ideal for beauty on both men and women isn't about thin-thin-thin as with Europeans. It's considered more attractive generally to have some size to you, whether it comes from fat or muscle. The American ideal for beauty typically falls into the "overweight" category of the BMI scale for men, but not obese. Muscle is preferred I think, but many American women say they prefer a guy with some softness to him. Seth Rogen, for instance.
I personally have different reasons. I have a strong dislike for anything that has purely aesthetic, and not functional, value. I would never get piercings or tattoos or own jewelry. Nor would I hang pictures or posters or anything that was purely decorative in my room, or have a garden or decorative plans at my house. I simply don't believe in such things.
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Europe's culture of fashion grew out of their long history of ruling monarchies/empires/aristocracies who became the trend setters and the "ideal" society aspired too. In the 1880s the dissemination of the bourgeois style into the middle-classes saw a new breed of men (i.e the Parisian "dandy's") who put a greater emphasis on their looks. America on the otherhand - the new world - embodied the rough 'n' ready concept of the man living off of the land building your own homestead - a constant quest for self-improvement. Of course the East tried to mimic the Europeanized way of life, but the "real" Americans were much tougher, and less bothered by fashion.
In the end I guess America has always slightly lacked the sophistication of European nations, but rather possess the highly masculine idea of working for your class, instead of being born into it. I say it's a good thing that they aren't so fussed about fashion. The Eurocentric idea of fashion is shallow and rooted in class and heritage.
Well I am married to a guy who sort of is like what you said, the guy didn't really care about his appearance. I'm sure if you see a guy who doesn't care too much about his appearance, maybe you can help him see it. My guy when I met him wore huge clown shoes, clothes that look like a 12 year old should wear them, and really bad teeth that was yellow and he smoked a lot. I got him to wear better shoes, to stop smoking, brush his teeth and wear better clothes. And he stopped wearing jeans that look like they have been found in the trash because they have 5 gigantic holes in them, and he's 25 and a professional. Why is he wearing stuff like that? Well I think it may be mostly to the fact that yeah, they never had a girl tell them to shape up. I told him to and he did it for me. Who knows, maybe there are other factors but the bottom line I'm getting to here is that if you really find an American man that you like maybe you can help him to shape up. Good luck
It isn't JUST American men, it's also American women.
People here in America try so hard to be politically correct. We refer to fat women as "curvy" when in reality bein curvy is having a particular body shape, not weight. Women here worship women with bodies like Christina Hendricks a opposed to Sofia Vergara, Emma Stone, Hayden Panettiere or even Beyonce. Try have this unhealthy mentality that people who are thin and/or average starve themselves to do so.
An men here aren't any better. They think we(women) don't care about appearance. I don't like fat or chubby guys so I would not date a fat/chubby guy since being fat/chubby means 1)they(men and women) don't care about their appearance and 2) they(men and women) don't care about their health
I've never been outside of America, so I don't know exactly what the styles are for men in other countries. I have to wonder if different cultures like different styles. For example, indie or hipster guys are popular in America (at least among college girls in New England). Do those guys exist overseas? Are they considered hot?
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This is pretty odd, because I actually prefer guys that are more casual. I'm in Australia and a good 80% of the guys in my age group dress super metrosexual. I really don't find it appealing at all. I like a guy who won't take longer than I do to get ready or sit in front of a mirror rearranging his hair. Deny it all you want, but the guys that "care about their appearance" usually are doing so to compensate for some other insecurity. I don't think a casual appearance signifies low confidence. On the contrary, I think it shows they are sure of themselves and have more important things to care about.
Note to self: go to America.it just has to do with up bringing and the environment we are surrounded with. I thnk I care about my appearance more then most guys here but like you said, less than in europe. I don't spend hours getting ready, but I shower every morning, get haircuts twice a month, roughly match my clothes and stuff like that but nothing I really stress over. also, I think the PEOPLE are just more attractive in europe and s. america, not just the men. but I'm from socal and the chicks are absolutely amazing haha
They do trust me, some guys panic about how they look and what they wear just as bad as girls. Its just in western culture a guy can't flaunt the fact that he cares about style or checks himself in the mirror or people will call him gay, metro-sexual, arrogant or feminine. I also think the standard of living (access to fast foods) also may play a factor in the attractiveness your talking about since the average american is overweight or obese.
I’m American and even where I live in a big city it’s common to guys going around in sweats and slides. I wouldn’t want someone who cares a lot about fashion and follows all the latest styles, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to want a guy who doesn’t leave the house in what are basically pajamas. He just has to have something simple and classic, like slacks and button up shirt. Nothing fancy.
american men are under the delusion that women don't care about looks and that its not Manly to care about their appearance. TV shows like king of queens, the flintstones, the simpsons, etc. all show a trim and somewhat attractive woman married to a fat slob so some men may subliminally believe that only women's looks matter.
I disagree. Where have you been looking? America like anywhere else has a vast spectrum of people with their own tastes. We're laid back, it doesn't mean we're all sloppy. Dress too nicely and you get called peppy or even douchy. It's like navigating the fine line between being too put together and looking like a mess.
Well on my brief 2 month European excursion this is not something I noticed. What particular country are you referring to? And are you referring to men who reside in urban areas or in rural areas?
Really, check yourself before posting a gross generalization that only serves to prove your ignoranceMaybe because they feel more comfortable as they are. It's not like I don't do anything, but that's more for me than to look attractive for someone else. If I tell a woman that I think she's beautiful and she follows up being getting a brand new haircut, putting on loads of makeup, and wearing a revealing dress to get my attention. Like I told you you're beautiful so why all the extra effort?
if a guy takes way too much care of himself he is considered gay and if he doesn't he if he doesn't he is a classless douche , how is that fair, + I've bean to europe 90% of men are gay, and I'm wondering why the demographic numbers are shooting down and the immigrants mostly Arabs/Turks/African are taking charge...
when someone doesn't care about their appearance they usually have low self confidence. I think that is a problem for most americans, I'll probally get a lot of crap for that.lol
I just think we are just overly casual in America... Like all my friends who are male just wear jeans and a t-shirt.. we aren't overly conscious about stuff like that.
Agreed OP, always wondered why American guys dress so casually. It's disappointing. But these guys comments are showing not only indifference but lack of maturity and arrogance (which I highly doubt is backed up by any substance or looks.)
Because then we are thought of as gay by other guys and many girls
Can you give an example? Show pictures of what the average American guy wears and what the average "anywhere else" guy wears, if you would.
I make it a point to look like a tool every time I leave the house
Why do people make gross generalizations and think that they've provided some sort of insight to the world?
I'm not sure of the reason, but I must agree that for the most part, people in Europe (men and woman) are far more attractive than Americans. Everyone is so much thinner, too.
Because we're not bitches like the rest of the world.
This is an American discussion, I'll just stay out of it.
I think that it depends where you are in America and you can definitely find attractive guys in the US. But I'd have to agree that there are more guys who are attractive in Europe.
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