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Kids or not a divorce can be devastating both financially, emotionally and spiritually. Sure there are times it’s the right course of action especially if there is infidelity, abuse or other fundamental problems.
However there is a recent statistic that women file for divorce 70% of the time as of 2022. Thats over twice as much as men. Most the articles I read about this statistic include opinions from sociology professors and women themselves which are obvious bias sources. They are always trying to justify female bs
Anyway I had a chance last year to marry not for love but for economic reasons (I’m not broke and it’s complicated)
I did consider it. I didn’t love the girl but i respected her. Also she agreed that it be a “paper marriage” where she wouldn’t mind if I was doing other stuff on the side with other women. But I have never been cheater with past gfs. Now I would be technically an adulterer even if she gave me permission. Spiritually it’s a clear violation even if she says it’s alright.
But what scared me the most about the idea is the western court systems. Legal systems are in no rush to change to be more fair to men.
Whenever you hear of someone getting alimony payments it’s almost always benefits women to the detriment of men. She might have a seemingly understanding attitude towards me prior to getting married. But if I end up sleeping with someone else she could easily use that against me in divorce court. I heard and seen how malicious and conceited women can be in these scenarios.
So yeah i am 40 and have never been married (almost all my siblings and friends are married now). Would it have been worth it just to say “I was married once” to look less “weird” or something among my family and peers. But I dunno. But the system is notoriously rigged against men. That is why I don’t want to take the risk.
Still a big deal... especially if you're male. She still might go for half of your shit and take the dog she doesn't even like. You can fight her in family court even though there is no kids, and enjoy having to pay for her lawyer that is there to fight against you. or... you let her take the dog and just get it over with. She'll have the dog put down and you'll find out through social media.
Anyways that I I think it's still a big deal... the state/government gives women so much power that it's hard to not be a big deal. You're a lucky man if you split with a woman that has no vindictive intentions and just lets you go.
wouldn't a prenuptial agreement work though...
No... oh hell no. It is a myth. I had to study law when I was working on my accounting degree. Those things get flipped super fast. Her legal team will tell her exactly what to say in order to make a prenuptial agreement null and void. All she has to do is say she didn't know what she was doing or say she did it under duress. That prenup gets thrown out the fucking window.
The only thing I've seen that actually works is like that football guy that put everything in his mother's name. No assets to take... but boy that damn woman still tried to take half his shit didn't she. Hakimi is the guy if you want to look it up for yourself.
I think divorce is a big deal regardless since it does take a lot of time and it’s also mentally and emotionally draining for both parties. however, divorcing while having kids could make it more difficult or complicated because then you have your kids feelings and well-being to take into consideration.
I would say false. While it is easier than a divorce that involves children, divorce still comes with a lot of hurt and often a change of lifestyle due to the splitting up of assets. The only real advantage is that you can completely cut ties with your ex instead of having to coparent with them.
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100% false. Kids shouldn’t be used as an excuse why you can’t divorce either. But marriages are sacred. So if childless marriages aren’t that sacred, why even marry? Just live together! Or stay single
yeah, I don't think marriages are that sacred so living together without marriage might be the solution for some people.
No no no... in many states and Canada too I believe... just living together counts as marriage. It's one of the main reasons Co-habitation is a major no no for the MGTOW dudes. You can bang her, but once you live together, she owns half your shit. She can accuse you of something and take your place with all the shit in it.
See the powers that be have noticed sneeky dudes trying to avoid getting the good ole divorce rape... they're coming up with ways to get you anyways. Be on the lookout for the upcoming bachelor tax... Different places keep pushing that agenda. They want to tax you for being single even. It all comes down to money. Women are not at fault for it, they're mere pawns... used to move money around.
That's why you'll pay $600 and she'll get $450 of it in child support... who do you think pockets the rest of that? The powers that be are nothing more than legalized thieves. Middlemen you don't or shouldn't even need. The traps are laid out and if you have some testicles... realize those traps are laid out for you.
@D_Bone_Steak shit man , this is ridiculous. If that's true we need a major overhaul of law in this country.
I know right. From the red pill side of things, all they can do is educate people and give them ways to just avoid trouble. But most people out there are walking around blind as hell and they don't know they stepped in shit until they've stepped in a pile of shit. Trying to educate opens you up to attacks by people that just think you're being sexist.
Let us drag that concept over to race. I can tell some dudes, "Hey maybe you shouldn't go walking through that neighborhood dudes, those black dudes will jump your ass and steal your shit." It's all too easy for them to scoff at my advice, just call me a racist, and then they fuck around and find out for themselves.
That's basically where we are at... old dudes like me or people that just know are saying, "Hey you know... that marriage shit isn't going to help you in any way whatsoever." Some listen, some keep going forward but at least they're more cautious... and then there is a bunch that just call us sexist assholes that hates women, and that is just not the case. ... And then they fuck around and find out... and end up right next to us in the know.
I guess there is learning the hard way... and then learning the easy way. To each their own. They're going to learn though.
If you think divorce without children is not a big deal, then you shouldn't get married.
That's definitely false
Interesting question. I guess it depends on what "big deal" means. Let's forget about the children's angle for a minute. Sometimes a divorce corrects a mistake. Not long ago I was sitting in an outdoor restaurant in Europe enjoying some of the local cuisine. During the time I was there I started talking to a lady I would guess to be about 35. She had just recently gone through a divorce. I asked her if she was OK and she smiled and said she was making it. Then she giggled a bit and said she was impressed I was not asking who was at fault. I said I don't normally get into these kinds of topics. She said that it was 50 50. Our lives were going in opposite directions so we decided to go our own way. Then she went on to say that the best way to describe her feelings was one of relief. Then she said though at times when I get awakened in the wee hours of the morning I miss having my husband to get next to. Now bringing back children I think that children are a major complication, EVEN grown ones. So here is my take. The size of the deal depends 100% on how intertwined the couple are. Children can be a part of this. Let's face it, some couples are already divorced in every way possible but that piece of paper that says so! In some respects that is really sad, but as I said, Divorce sometimes corrects a mistake!
It IS a big deal.
Marriage is a lifetime commitment; a vow; a pledge of honor. It's the most important decision you will ever make in your life. Therefore, you should be damned sure that you actually love each other and want to spend the rest of your lives together.
Once married, you have to work at keeping the relationship happy and healthy. You are a team, business partners, trusted companions, best friends. You respect each other and want each other happy, safe and secure. You work to build a life and a future together.
Too many people take marriage lightly and get married for selfish reasons.
Its not a black/ white answer like that , as it depends on the assets held , so if you are younger , its not too much of a big deal , the older the more complex , USA is big on pre nup , but this is not held in the same esteem in other parts of the world.
So , always difficult and stressful , but less of a big deal if you dont have children.
For me it is a big deal. You spend some beautiful moments of life with someone. You spend your days and your nights with that partner. You get attached to him. Is it so easy to walk away from someone? Is it easy to get divorced from someone after getting so close?
Generally for a child is better a single parent than living in a toxic relationship. In countries with healthy laws is divorce not really a problem. Ironically statistics show the fairer divorce laws are the less divorces happen.
I know a guy whose divorce cost him half a million and said it was the best half million he could have ever spent, so is it a big deal, well obviously not to everyone.
It is false. I had a friend who had just gotten divorced. She told me that having a divorce on her "record" was the worst thing imaginable.
yeah for dating that's a good point. It really fucks up your reputation.
It isn't if you two aren't assholes and just want apart.. it is much easier without kids! You just sign the papers and you out lol
It's a big deal to a person that doesn't see it coming and loves someone. Also they could lose half of everything they have so yeah it's a big deal no matter what. I'm sure it's way harder with kids involved that said.
It's always a big deal, especially in states that divorce laws are almost totally gear towards the woman.
IMHO, we should go with a marriage contract renewable every 5 years with everything spelled out if the contract isn't renewed.
Money
(I know someone already said that but so what? I was gonna say the same thing anyway)
It really is all about the money. The more people that know it and point it out anyway the better. I think the males would be better off having that fact burned into their brains, and suddenly so much will make sense to the average guy that thinks it's all about love still.
@D_Bone_Steak yeah i concur. I'm starting to think love is blue pill propaganda waiting to make the woman and the lawyers richer at the expense of whoever was born with a penis ( not sure about the transgirls however ). The irony is i had this horror idea in my mind when i was like 17 years old. 17 years!
I didn't start to wake up until my early 30's... I just thought women were perfect angels, everything Disney and every other film industry had taught me about women. Then I got red-pilled so hard... I had to go through that red pill rage, but now... I still desire women sexually, but I hate women. I always knew the marriage/legal system was fucked because I watched my Mom financially rape our 3 different Dads as a kid (two sisters), but it took a good dose of lying, manipulation, and straight-up bullshit to truly understand... women are not perfect angels at all. They're just selfish and mean. I'm sure there are exceptions out there but in general... I won't trust one as far as I can spit.
Playing with fire... that's a great analogy.
My neighbor is divorce from his wife and doesn't have children. But if he passes away then his wife gets the money.
what if he creates a trust and designates someone else as the beneficiary. Or maybe he could just give the money to someone else before he dies.
Divorce is always terrible the rise in divorce shows me that people don’t take marriage seriously
“Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
No, you deal with the heartbreak of a lifetime and to add insult to injury, you'll at a minimum, lose half of all of your possessions and assets
Absolutely FALSE!! Ripping someone's heart out and betraying them and abandoning them is BAD, period!!
If people vow "till death do we part" and then end it because of some trite reason, yes, it is a big deal.
It's always a big deal. You could have been with the person for many years and to have it flushed down the toilet is a big deal
False. The man will still pay. These "love contracts" aren't what ceremonies of past were meant to be.
If you have no children AND you have no money or other assets AND you are female it is not a big deal.
It's a big deal regardless. There can be financial consequences as well as emotional consequences.
False, because she can still take everything you own.
yeah some of the laws in this country need to be changed. That's kinda bullshit in 2023
False. We still have our money and house to worry about
All I know is that my heart is broken. So I guess the answer would be false……..
False. It is always going tonbe a big deal.
It's still a big deal.
Faults. It is a big deal
It IS a big deal even if you don't have children
It is a big deal no mader whay
Money
Fucking A, the money. 3rd parties even look at a relationship split with dollar signs in their eyes.
@D_Bone_Steak hey don't get mad at me
I'm not mad at you... it just is what it is though. The woman and 3rd parties like lawyers are going to go for that money. Like I said in my opinion... you're a lucky man if you split and the woman doesn't go after you with vindictive intentions.
I did give you a like for a reason. You spoke the truth.
It's a big deal either way
Money still plays a part, child or not.
false
not if your wealthy then she's taking everything
God says false.
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