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Mostly a bunch of guys who whine about how girls won't ask them out and then complain about girls. What this tells me is they don't want to face their insecurities. This bothers me to see this as I know they are in pain, and I've been in the same place.
I am an introvert, was very shy, and I have been diagnosed with depression and an anxiety disorder. And I had intimacy issues. I had 5 major things I had to get past to get dating, so I got off my duff and did it in small steps. I started dating in high school but didn't find many girls I really wanted to date. This process of self-improvement took about 20 years. I didn't get real confidence until my 40s. But I did it gradually and fixed issues in my life.
And I've done things most guys only dream of, simply because I asked women to. Yes I got rejected a lot but I also got some affirmatives. 90% rejection rate for guys is normal, one just has to get used to it.
Well their "culture" sure isn't going to help them with their problem for sure
But the mechanics of it is the same as any other marginalized group when them great an insular subculture that nurtures an us vs mentality it is very common and very well documented
That being said the reasons here are maybe easier to fix than some other insular aggressive subcultures
No one has an obligation to have sex with anyone of course but if we all (men and women alike) were a little more open to it a little nicer to each other in general then perhaps not only wouldn't we have these incel people killing people and spouting despicable misogyni or women writing manifestos calling for abortion of all male foetus we might also just in general have a lot less sad and lonely people who suffer depression and the like because no one really cares if they are around or not...
The Incels are a product of today's society. Their concerns about being rejected and/or mistreated by women is legitimate. Men are being mistreated by women. Yet their violent behaviour is unjustifiable. If girls have done you wrong, or don't want you, why not retreat away from them into a cave or some such place? How would your acts of violence draw them any closer to you? Why target innocent people, like Minassian did, because you were abused by guilty wicked people?
Still, their story is very sad. Even a touch from another human being, especially of the opposite sex, is said to be the cause of euphoric (like a high) elation among them. They're so sad and hopeless and have such low self esteem that they openly talk about killing themselves. When he was arrested, Minassian wanted the police to kill him.
Sad as they are, the Incels graphically illustrate the depths to which humanity has sunk. We have clearly dropped the ball when it comes to how we treat each other.
It's only going to get worse. And it isn't just an issue in American suburbia. Go investigate the reasons muslim terrorists commit acts of violence. A sexless life and those 72 virgins seem to come up an awful lot. There's an entire generation of people out there who are socially awkward, poorly parented, filled with entitlement, and livid with irrational rage at their circumstances in life.
People don't realize it, but we are on the verge of a serious breakdown in society, and this is just a symptom of the bigger problem. Men need to take it on ourselves to help guys that this that we see struggling in life. Women aren't going to be of help because they shit on weak men and don't know what is means to be a man in any case. That's why single mothers tend to raise boys who are troubled. It's really up to men to fix these issues among ourselves. But it's probably already too late to fix a lot of the dysfunction that's already been set in motion.
It is a product of the internet, and a sad example of the dangers of antisocial behavior. I fear that people will just blow off this hate group as silly, instead of dangerous.
These young Men need a positive male role model to help teach them how to have self confidence and self worth. They are emotionally broken and in need of help before they dive off the deep end.
Man... Humans weren't ready for the internet. This is what happens when you can't teach a generation about how to deal with emotions and function in society. This is what happens when you allow any group of people to gather just to complain with no intention of getting better. This is what happens when the ingroup is put above everything instead of balanced between outgroup and individual.
It's involuntary celibate; this term describes the undesirables and the losers of the genetic lottery. Just like poverty, there is no one solution. We can try to teach men that sex is not the only thing to life and that may help, but these people will continue to exist. Another solution is to eliminate all "ugly" men who keep on getting rejected.
It's definitely a lot more merciful to weed them out in school and euthanize them before puberty than what we're currently doing: Letting them live without hope just to work crappy jobs until they die, to keep the lights on and the sewers working for the pretty people.
Movement? Culture? Being butthurt at women refusing to have sex with you is hardly a movement or culture.
Basically these guys have mental problems and are on anti depressants and as seems to be the increasing way for young men to deal with their emotional and mental problems these days is to by making a very public statement by making others suffer.
It's not always about sex. I have been on websites like 4chan and I have talked to these guys. They are very insecure men, some of whom have never heard a positive thing in their life, and our culture tells them to stop being cowards and man up.
Now before you go off on your retarded feminist line of thinking, you have to understand that policing language is not the answer. Treating little boys like little girls is not the answer. We need to start letting boys act like boys again. It really is that simple. Let them run around and play until they are exhausted. Stop feeding them pills to make them sit still in a class for 8-hours a day. Let them be boys! That's how they develop social skills and learn how to be confident men. So stop preaching the feminist "masculinity is toxic" ideology.
Basic kindness, not just "sex sex sex!"
If everybody in the world either ignored you or else acted disgusted/annoyed that you exist, it would FUCK you up and you'd have social maladjustment too.
@Servus09 She didn't even mention toxic masculinity, you're making assumptions. You don't even know if she's a feminist.
@thingwithfeathers
I'm talking about what I see and hear from most women. You don't have to call yourself a feminist to believe in feminist ideology.
@Servus09 'Most women'. Statistics say otherwise.
You also didn't say 'most women', you started giving her crap for something you assumed she believed.
@thingwithfeathers
Look back at what I said. I told her policing language is not the answer. Drugging kids so they sit still in class is not the answer. Treating boys more like girls is not the answer, and so on. Then I tell her what we need to. I addressed it towards her because I see the same patterns of discussion every single time I talk to women about these issues.
If women wanted equality, then they wouldn't want men to pay more for health care to offset the cost of women. They wouldn't sue the Boy Scouts until girls were accepted into them. They wouldn't be ok with the fact that there are no taxpayer-funded domestic shelters for men. They wouldn't like the fact that women's businesses are given government-backed loans, whereas men's businesses are not. They wouldn't like that divorce courts are extremely unfair to men. They wouldn't support the draft for men and not women. Of course, women support all of that because they believe in the feminist ideology.
@Servus09 Again, massive assumptions. You can say all you want that these are fair assumptions, but they are not. I don't advocate any of that at all and most women I know don't either. Perhaps you are talking to the wrong women. But you can't assume that all women think these things or have these ideals because it's not representative of statistics.
It's a very mentally unhealthy way of coping with loneliness and/or rejection. Joining that crowd only ensures they will NEVER find love. I would feel sorry for them, but I don't want to be anywhere near them.
I feel bad for these guys & will discourage them from attempting to collectivize their grievances. This is a huge reason we need safe, sane, & regulated prostitution. I think women tend to just assume the worst about these kinds of men, it's not exactly a plus in womens eyes to be virgin, & not to mention all the lashing out that takes place on the incel boards.
It's the blame game. My life sucks because someone else. You only have power over yourself not others so doesn't matter if it's there fault or not. Only way to get out of you situation is changing yourself.
Pathetic. Blaming everyone else for their problems. What I see here isn't a struggle with life, it's indulgence into self-pity. There's more blaming and shitting on others going on than actual attempts at betterment of oneself. There's nothing inherently bad about a person that's dealt a shit hand, that's life. Most of them will never stoop to this kind of thinking but actually manage their lives, here lays the leftover bunch that would rather sit and wallow in their shit and tears.
"Most of them will never stoop to this kind"
I very much agree. As for the ones who *do* stoop to this kind, what do you think influences them to do so?
@Bluemax
There can be many influences. What comes to my mind at this time is a sense of entitlement, low self esteem due to either being ostracized by their peers or guardians, mental illness, societal pressures, lack guidance. If you've got more to add, I would love to know your thoughts.
Sounds like wanna be terrorists. Propaganda. Really no threat unless people like you post it and give attention to it for no reason good reason. I never heard of it until now.
So they are now a threat because I posted this? Please hit us with your knowledge on why that is true?
I didn't say they are automatically a threat? I just was meaning if we keep talking about them, giving them the attention they want, then that is how is how that works. I wasn't meaning as bad as it may have came off.
Really no threat unless people like you post it... Your words kid not mine.
Living life so black and white is dangerous. I simply was meaning don't give it attention so much.
These people could already be in our lives and we don't know it. I think the more we know the better prepared we will be. It's not about attention but education. You didn't even know about it.. imagine if one of your friends is dealing with this stuff.. well at least now you would know about it and not be ignorant to the fact. Agree to disagree.
I think that attaching one's identity to something like being an INCEL is harmful and a self fulfilling prophesy to a large extent.
Although to be fair some people really do die alone, and can't help that they're single and will remain so. So it's a legitimate fear. But attaching your identity to it is silly in my opinion. There's much more to life than romantic relationships.
Everyone dies alone. The fear of it is just a fallacy and makes zero sense.
I mean dying alone as in dying while not in a relationship, not literally alone.
Just legalize prostitution so we can get these fools laid
It does not help. These guys are not cured by prostitutes. They think they deserve to be desired and do not want to pay for someone pretend desiring them.
The word Incel it'self is stupid, has only existed for 2 weeks and I'm already sick of hearing it.
being incel is worse than MGTOW. at least MGTOWs decide to take on self ownership choose to improve their lives outside of romance and sex, but incels are just fucking whack.
From the reports out of Santa Fe, there was another set of victims.
One of the stupider things I've seen people take seriously in 2018.