Are girls obligated to provide sex after a fancy and well executed dinner date?

[Anonymous]

Yes

No

Updates

+1 y

My reasoning: why dress up sexy then?

[OlderAndWiser]

If she is obligated, then that means that she is a prostitute and this is a business arrangement which should be negotiated in advance. Maybe a hamburger gets you a hand job, fried chicken gets you oral sex, a nice steak gets PIV sex, prime rib gets you anal sex, and a decadent dessert means she spends the night with you.

If, however, she is a girlfriend or a potential girlfriend, you should be giving her nice things because you want to demonstrate how you care about her, not because you are seeking entitlement to sex. And she should be doing nice things (not necessarily sex) for you for the same reason.

In a relationship, men want sex BECAUSE it will make them feel closer to their partner, but women don't want sex UNTIL they feel closer. So, if she isn't there yet, don't try to make her do something that will be uncomfortable for her; is that how you want her to remember the first time with you?

[VanillaSalt]

Men want sex because it’s sex... that’s THE main reason relationships exist to make babies... and women want sex just as much but they have had so many other things they focus on so their not sleazy about it like men.

[miniD]

WOW sir here you go 🏆🏆🏆🏆

[OlderAndWiser]

@miniD I appreciate your kind words!

[Dkc123]

Are boys/men obligated to pay for that fancy and well executed dinner?

[Asker]

Yes to that

[Dkc123]

Disagree to that

[Pete671]

If it's the guy that invited, then imho yes,

[Dkc123]

@Pete671 agree to that! And same goes for her too.

[Pete671]

exactly, if she said "let's have dinner sometime" I would expect the bill to be split,

[Agape93]

Lmao no. Nobody is entitled to anyone else’s body, under any circumstances. Imagine the script was flipped. If I made someone a fancy and well executed dinner, are you obligated to let me shove a large dildo up your asshole? Of course not.

[NorthShoreCalling]

It is absolute madness how these assumptions exist now.

[Nazgol]

Nope. If the guy doesn't want to spend money on dinner he shouldn't, it doesn't mean the girl has to do sexual favors if she doesn't want to & isn't ready yet

[guesswhoseback]

We are not entitled to anything romantic including sex. The only thing we are entitled to is RESPECT.

I do expect gratitude for doing something nice for a woman including a genuine thank you. But I don’t expect her to spread her legs just because I bought dinner.

I once ghosted a girl years ago (dated for 2 months) after I noticed she never said thank you or showed gratitude when I did nice things for her. She never once cooked me dinner, offered to split the bill or do anything thoughtful. The only thing she did do was show up and occasionally have sex (and I can tell she did it begrudgingly). I finally decided it wasn’t worth getting laid if I had to tolerate the disrespect.

I can’t stand women who expect men to spoil them and then take it for granted. But guys if you spend money on a woman don’t do it expecting to get laid unless it’s a prostitute.

[joeblow123]

@guesswhoseback

Like I said in a previous reply. You are a weak little man. The only reasons she had sex with you was to string you along and to prevent you from ghosting her. Respect? Respect is earned and you did nothing to earn her respect. Only men like and respect nice guys. Never forget that.

[guesswhoseback]

@joeblow123 I got a feeling you don’t even get sex from women but instead get drilled in the ass. Out of your pathetic insecurities your just trying to in your own pathetic cocksucking faggot way projecting by trolling other dudes on here. Either that you are are some feminist with a man’s account.

Either way quit commenting on my posts. If you were really were such a real life hard ass you wouldn’t be wasting your time on here nor creating incel boards. You have said nothing value which shouldn’t be surprise because your worthless.

[guesswhoseback]

@joeblow123 you know man I read your questions on your profile and some of your other questions. I fucking hate feminism myself and actually agree with some your insights that weren’t douchey.

But the way you responded above isn’t solving anything.

[joeblow123]

@guesswhoseback

Let's just say we both have our douchey moments but we do have common ground. What do you say we look past the our doucheiness and instead focus on the common ground? Deal?

[guesswhoseback]

@joeblow123 fair enough. I’m okay with constructive criticism just not insults. I’m going to read your blogspot out of curiosity.

[dantheman1118]

Obligated? GTFO. You bumped your head or something? They shouldn't be obligated to do shit. Now on certain things (I'm not saying dinner or sex necessarily) that would be given back to you as a token of appreciation. Sometimes it would even be shocking after doing things for someone and they don't seem to show any appreciation for the act you have done for them. At that point, reevaluate the relationship you have with them and see if your efforts are better spent elsewhere. But to even say out loud they have an obligation to pay back a favor is crazy. If there is an agreement made prior then they have an actual obligation. But never just do something thinking they would have to pay back in some form.

[Screenwriter]

Whew. It's awfully nice to provide a lovely first date, but this is why women don't WANT men paying for them!!! Because some think a fancy date is like paying a prostitute.
Boy is THAT insulting.
Wake up. Them days are over. Go Dutch and forget about VaginaPay.

[Unit1]

Right on target :D

[chrissykerdock]

@Unit1 as a guy wouldn't you like a blowjob? not that i feel obligated but there's times i don't mind giving one

[Unit1]

@chrissykerdock
If I want sex, then I go to prostitutes and give them $50 for 2 hours. Straight to business. I did that before and I will do so again.

Finding unconditional love from the woman, that loves me for me and not for giving her free fancy meals at fancy places is challenging.

[TeeBar]

NO!
Otherwise she is the subject of this little story:
Guy: I'm very wealthy: would you sleep with me for one million dollars?
Girl: Yes!
Guy: OK, here's $20: let's go!
Girl: $20 ! ! ! Do you think that I'm a whore?
Guy: That's been established so now we're just haggling over the price.

[jshm2]

You're confused.

That's a "hook up", not "date" you're thinking about.

The purpose of a date is to meet and know/catch up with, someone. Sure you can have it lead to sex at the end, often did for me, but it's not a given. Also it's more something planned before the date, than something which both of you spontaneously realise on the date, or after.

Sex on a full or unsettled stomach is no laughing matter either, kiddo.

[Swedgirl]

Wtf are you serious? A dinner is not buying sex. I feel sorry for girl who go on dates with guys who think that way

[AutophileAngel]

I cannot believe this is even a question. NO. No one no matter of their gender, should be obligated to provide sex. It is common sense.

[AutophileAngel]

The asker has made an update asking ‘why dress sexy then?’
AGAIN: COMMON SENSE. If you are taking her to a fancy restaurant she will dress up sexy, that does NOT in any way, shape or form mean that she wants to have sex with you. A man who thinks like that has a mind of a potential rapist.

Also, we have told y'all over and over and over again that WE👏🏻DO👏🏻NOT👏🏻 DRESSUP👏🏻FOR👏🏻YOU👏🏻 (unless you’re a man we have feelings for) at this point y'all either too blind by your enormous egos or too stupid.

[Inquisitive3]

OP sounds like a rapist.

[joeblow123]

@AutophileAngel

You are just another stupid cunt.

[AutophileAngel]

@joeblow123 you have a problem grandpa?

[joeblow123]

@AutophileAngel

What are you going to do about it, punk?

[kingofthellamas]

In response to the why dress up sexy, I can't answer. But its better to look at a rose than a shit as the Italians would say. And I'd like to believe that most men enjoy seeing women who look gooody, but they don't go around taking that as invitation to have sex with them. I mean the extension to your argument is I would want to (or be entitled to so as to lend your logic) sex to half the women on my train journey to work in the morning.

[Trooper205]

Certainly not. A Girl should feel like a LADY, not a tool, or toy to be played with.
I can't help but feel like people are "paying" for Sex by faking niceness or with "favors". Prostitution? This is a big way Self-esteem and Worth shatter.

[joeblow123]

Simp.

[Trooper205]

@joeblow123 Precisely. A Gentleman. a Self-denier. A Man who will put other's interests before Himself. As the degenerate children put it in this day and age, a Simp.

[joeblow123]

@trooper205

"A Man who will put other's interests before Himself"

Noble words. But they don't fit you and they don't fit feminism.

[Trooper205]

@joeblow123 Ok, Boomer.

[Anonymous]

No a girl isn’t obligated to have sex on a date. However, when a guy is obviously putting a lot of effort into courting me, I usually end up having sex with him fairly quickly in the relationship. Maybe it’s a sense of obligation lurking in the back of my mind. I don't know.

[Mystic_Nova]

Nope. Mot at all. That's why I always pay for myself to not get trapped in that mindset, I'd the other seems to have it

[NorthShoreCalling]

Yeah exactly. Ditch the dodgy ones. Better still, just don’t go out with them in the first place. Not all men who buy dinner expect this (key word being ‘men’).

[joeblow123]

@NorthShoreCalling

[NorthShoreCalling]

@joeblow123 fair point, but these are also the words of my brothers, father and guy friends, so if you have something against it just because I as a woman have said it, that’s your problem.

[joeblow123]

@NorthShoreCalling

Are you sure about your male friends? Do they tell you what you want to hear? Do they do it to humor you? Are they sincere?

[NorthShoreCalling]

Not sure why you’re so offended? The real men aren’t users, they’re providers. This should be obvious. Are you a user? Do you have something against women? Your problem dude. Couldn’t care less. Makes little difference to anyone else but you.

[joeblow123]

@NorthShoreCalling

"The real men aren’t users, they’re providers."

The real women are not argumentative. They do as they are told. Want to play that game we'll play it.

[NorthShoreCalling]

@joeblow123 you clearly have issues with nothing better to do obviously. Try living life sometime and pulling your head out of your ass, instead of choosing to be an antisocial creep. You sound like one of those boys who have become very bitter because mommy didn’t love them enough.

[joeblow123]

@NorthShoreCalling

test

[joeblow123]

@NorthShoreCalling

I'm very social. I am also an MRA/MGTOW. However, I am not a big fan of gynocentricity nor am I going to go gently into the good night. I will fight on my feet before I live on my knees. You women demanded this gender war and now you have one. You must be very happy with yourselves.

[bolverk]

Ah, but that it be true, but alas No, there is nothing in custom, lore nor law that says that females have to provide sex after a fancy and well executed dinner date, of course there is nothing to stop them providing it, but more than likely it will not happen.

[joeblow123]

@bolverk

In western societies women have no obligations or responsibilities of any kind.

[bolverk]

@joeblow123 Women today want to be treated like a woman with all of the authority of a man and the accountability of a child

[joeblow123]

@bolverk

You nailed it perfectly. That is the reality of the situation we have today.

[Denial1984]

No, that is kind of unromantic. It's not like you're literally paying for sex. That being said, I am not a fan of women exploiting men's generosity/attraction to get free meals/stuff/etc.

If she keeps accepting his invitations, it is reasonable for him to expect that the relationship is going somewhere within a reasonable time frame.

[DiscomfortZone]

What certain pathetic losers need to understand is that girls are NEVER obligated to have sex with anyone (long term formal relationships included, if your wife withholds sex feel free to dump her to hell, forcing her would be rape, there's nothing to it). If a girl managed to fool you enough to pay for her meal, enterance fee, etc - that's your problem for getting played (not talking directly to the anonymous coward who posted this, or rather not necessarily).

[Pete671]

well said,

[Pete671]

No of course not, it's the company of a beautiful woman that counts, sure the guy may well wank himself into a coma at home afterwards, but the lady shouldn't feel obliged to open her legs in return for a free meal, I wish they would sometimes though,,,

[Hangry22]

If you have that much money for a "fancy and well executed dinner date", date an escort so that you know your money won't be wasted

[Unit1]

Correct :)

[bamesjond0069]

What if you just want to be nice and get to know someone? Who tf is thinking about sex on a first date except nasty ass hoes?

[Hangry22]

@bamesjond0069 "Nice and getting to know someone" has nothing to do with money.

[chrissykerdock]

i don't feel obligated but i may want to give a blowjob after a nice dinner date... and i don't feel guys expect it but they always seem to like one.

[Avicenna]

Of course she isn't obligated, At any rate, it seems to me that the real purpose for such a date is to make a case for her going exclusive with you. Once you're in a relationship with her, you'll have lots of sex.

[douchecannoue]

The girl is not obligated for sex just as the guy isn't obligated to pay for evrything but we've got fucked up culture what's wrong with just haveing a awsome date and then just goin your separate ways and look forward to the next date (ps sory about spelling I'm dyslexic af) lol

[PBandJ_Nerd]

No one is obligated to provide sex after a date. Sex is what you both have to want and consent to first. Otherwise it isn't sex. You could always ask if they'd like to have it with you, but it's not really an appropriate thing to ask at dinner.