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If she is obligated, then that means that she is a prostitute and this is a business arrangement which should be negotiated in advance. Maybe a hamburger gets you a hand job, fried chicken gets you oral sex, a nice steak gets PIV sex, prime rib gets you anal sex, and a decadent dessert means she spends the night with you.
If, however, she is a girlfriend or a potential girlfriend, you should be giving her nice things because you want to demonstrate how you care about her, not because you are seeking entitlement to sex. And she should be doing nice things (not necessarily sex) for you for the same reason.
In a relationship, men want sex BECAUSE it will make them feel closer to their partner, but women don't want sex UNTIL they feel closer. So, if she isn't there yet, don't try to make her do something that will be uncomfortable for her; is that how you want her to remember the first time with you?
Men want sex because it’s sex... that’s THE main reason relationships exist to make babies... and women want sex just as much but they have had so many other things they focus on so their not sleazy about it like men.
Are boys/men obligated to pay for that fancy and well executed dinner?
Yes to that
Lmao no. Nobody is entitled to anyone else’s body, under any circumstances. Imagine the script was flipped. If I made someone a fancy and well executed dinner, are you obligated to let me shove a large dildo up your asshole? Of course not.
It is absolute madness how these assumptions exist now.
Nope. If the guy doesn't want to spend money on dinner he shouldn't, it doesn't mean the girl has to do sexual favors if she doesn't want to & isn't ready yet
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We are not entitled to anything romantic including sex. The only thing we are entitled to is RESPECT.
I do expect gratitude for doing something nice for a woman including a genuine thank you. But I don’t expect her to spread her legs just because I bought dinner.
I once ghosted a girl years ago (dated for 2 months) after I noticed she never said thank you or showed gratitude when I did nice things for her. She never once cooked me dinner, offered to split the bill or do anything thoughtful. The only thing she did do was show up and occasionally have sex (and I can tell she did it begrudgingly). I finally decided it wasn’t worth getting laid if I had to tolerate the disrespect.
I can’t stand women who expect men to spoil them and then take it for granted. But guys if you spend money on a woman don’t do it expecting to get laid unless it’s a prostitute.
@guesswhoseback
Like I said in a previous reply. You are a weak little man. The only reasons she had sex with you was to string you along and to prevent you from ghosting her. Respect? Respect is earned and you did nothing to earn her respect. Only men like and respect nice guys. Never forget that.
@joeblow123 I got a feeling you don’t even get sex from women but instead get drilled in the ass. Out of your pathetic insecurities your just trying to in your own pathetic cocksucking faggot way projecting by trolling other dudes on here. Either that you are are some feminist with a man’s account.
Either way quit commenting on my posts. If you were really were such a real life hard ass you wouldn’t be wasting your time on here nor creating incel boards. You have said nothing value which shouldn’t be surprise because your worthless.
@joeblow123 you know man I read your questions on your profile and some of your other questions. I fucking hate feminism myself and actually agree with some your insights that weren’t douchey.
But the way you responded above isn’t solving anything.
@guesswhoseback
Let's just say we both have our douchey moments but we do have common ground. What do you say we look past the our doucheiness and instead focus on the common ground? Deal?
@joeblow123 fair enough. I’m okay with constructive criticism just not insults. I’m going to read your blogspot out of curiosity.
Obligated? GTFO. You bumped your head or something? They shouldn't be obligated to do shit. Now on certain things (I'm not saying dinner or sex necessarily) that would be given back to you as a token of appreciation. Sometimes it would even be shocking after doing things for someone and they don't seem to show any appreciation for the act you have done for them. At that point, reevaluate the relationship you have with them and see if your efforts are better spent elsewhere. But to even say out loud they have an obligation to pay back a favor is crazy. If there is an agreement made prior then they have an actual obligation. But never just do something thinking they would have to pay back in some form.
Whew. It's awfully nice to provide a lovely first date, but this is why women don't WANT men paying for them!!! Because some think a fancy date is like paying a prostitute.
Boy is THAT insulting.
Wake up. Them days are over. Go Dutch and forget about VaginaPay.
@chrissykerdock
If I want sex, then I go to prostitutes and give them $50 for 2 hours. Straight to business. I did that before and I will do so again.
Finding unconditional love from the woman, that loves me for me and not for giving her free fancy meals at fancy places is challenging.
NO!
Otherwise she is the subject of this little story:
Guy: I'm very wealthy: would you sleep with me for one million dollars?
Girl: Yes!
Guy: OK, here's $20: let's go!
Girl: $20 ! ! ! Do you think that I'm a whore?
Guy: That's been established so now we're just haggling over the price.
You're confused.
That's a "hook up", not "date" you're thinking about.
The purpose of a date is to meet and know/catch up with, someone. Sure you can have it lead to sex at the end, often did for me, but it's not a given. Also it's more something planned before the date, than something which both of you spontaneously realise on the date, or after.
Sex on a full or unsettled stomach is no laughing matter either, kiddo.
Wtf are you serious? A dinner is not buying sex. I feel sorry for girl who go on dates with guys who think that way
I cannot believe this is even a question. NO. No one no matter of their gender, should be obligated to provide sex. It is common sense.
The asker has made an update asking ‘why dress sexy then?’
AGAIN: COMMON SENSE. If you are taking her to a fancy restaurant she will dress up sexy, that does NOT in any way, shape or form mean that she wants to have sex with you. A man who thinks like that has a mind of a potential rapist.
Also, we have told y'all over and over and over again that WE👏🏻DO👏🏻NOT👏🏻 DRESSUP👏🏻FOR👏🏻YOU👏🏻 (unless you’re a man we have feelings for) at this point y'all either too blind by your enormous egos or too stupid.
OP sounds like a rapist.
@AutophileAngel
You are just another stupid cunt.
@joeblow123 you have a problem grandpa?
@AutophileAngel
What are you going to do about it, punk?
In response to the why dress up sexy, I can't answer. But its better to look at a rose than a shit as the Italians would say. And I'd like to believe that most men enjoy seeing women who look gooody, but they don't go around taking that as invitation to have sex with them. I mean the extension to your argument is I would want to (or be entitled to so as to lend your logic) sex to half the women on my train journey to work in the morning.
Certainly not. A Girl should feel like a LADY, not a tool, or toy to be played with.
I can't help but feel like people are "paying" for Sex by faking niceness or with "favors". Prostitution? This is a big way Self-esteem and Worth shatter.
Simp.
@joeblow123 Precisely. A Gentleman. a Self-denier. A Man who will put other's interests before Himself. As the degenerate children put it in this day and age, a Simp.
@trooper205
"A Man who will put other's interests before Himself"
Noble words. But they don't fit you and they don't fit feminism.
@joeblow123 Ok, Boomer.
Ah, but that it be true, but alas No, there is nothing in custom, lore nor law that says that females have to provide sex after a fancy and well executed dinner date, of course there is nothing to stop them providing it, but more than likely it will not happen.
@joeblow123 Women today want to be treated like a woman with all of the authority of a man and the accountability of a child
No a girl isn’t obligated to have sex on a date. However, when a guy is obviously putting a lot of effort into courting me, I usually end up having sex with him fairly quickly in the relationship. Maybe it’s a sense of obligation lurking in the back of my mind. I don't know.
Nope. Mot at all. That's why I always pay for myself to not get trapped in that mindset, I'd the other seems to have it
Yeah exactly. Ditch the dodgy ones. Better still, just don’t go out with them in the first place. Not all men who buy dinner expect this (key word being ‘men’).
@NorthShoreCalling
@joeblow123 fair point, but these are also the words of my brothers, father and guy friends, so if you have something against it just because I as a woman have said it, that’s your problem.
@NorthShoreCalling
Are you sure about your male friends? Do they tell you what you want to hear? Do they do it to humor you? Are they sincere?
Not sure why you’re so offended? The real men aren’t users, they’re providers. This should be obvious. Are you a user? Do you have something against women? Your problem dude. Couldn’t care less. Makes little difference to anyone else but you.
@NorthShoreCalling
"The real men aren’t users, they’re providers."
The real women are not argumentative. They do as they are told. Want to play that game we'll play it.
@joeblow123 you clearly have issues with nothing better to do obviously. Try living life sometime and pulling your head out of your ass, instead of choosing to be an antisocial creep. You sound like one of those boys who have become very bitter because mommy didn’t love them enough.
@NorthShoreCalling
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@NorthShoreCalling
I'm very social. I am also an MRA/MGTOW. However, I am not a big fan of gynocentricity nor am I going to go gently into the good night. I will fight on my feet before I live on my knees. You women demanded this gender war and now you have one. You must be very happy with yourselves.
No, that is kind of unromantic. It's not like you're literally paying for sex. That being said, I am not a fan of women exploiting men's generosity/attraction to get free meals/stuff/etc.
If she keeps accepting his invitations, it is reasonable for him to expect that the relationship is going somewhere within a reasonable time frame.
What certain pathetic losers need to understand is that girls are NEVER obligated to have sex with anyone (long term formal relationships included, if your wife withholds sex feel free to dump her to hell, forcing her would be rape, there's nothing to it). If a girl managed to fool you enough to pay for her meal, enterance fee, etc - that's your problem for getting played (not talking directly to the anonymous coward who posted this, or rather not necessarily).
No of course not, it's the company of a beautiful woman that counts, sure the guy may well wank himself into a coma at home afterwards, but the lady shouldn't feel obliged to open her legs in return for a free meal, I wish they would sometimes though,,,
If you have that much money for a "fancy and well executed dinner date", date an escort so that you know your money won't be wasted
What if you just want to be nice and get to know someone? Who tf is thinking about sex on a first date except nasty ass hoes?
@bamesjond0069 "Nice and getting to know someone" has nothing to do with money.
i don't feel obligated but i may want to give a blowjob after a nice dinner date... and i don't feel guys expect it but they always seem to like one.
Of course she isn't obligated, At any rate, it seems to me that the real purpose for such a date is to make a case for her going exclusive with you. Once you're in a relationship with her, you'll have lots of sex.
The girl is not obligated for sex just as the guy isn't obligated to pay for evrything but we've got fucked up culture what's wrong with just haveing a awsome date and then just goin your separate ways and look forward to the next date (ps sory about spelling I'm dyslexic af) lol
No one is obligated to provide sex after a date. Sex is what you both have to want and consent to first. Otherwise it isn't sex. You could always ask if they'd like to have it with you, but it's not really an appropriate thing to ask at dinner.
No, same as men aren't obligated to pay for the date or give sex after either.
Ah, nice rape culture mindset you have. Do you dress like a slob for dates?
@thatquietlass
Are you always a man-hating bitch?
No. Just those who think rape is okay infuriate me.
I don't take women on fancy dates unless I'm already in a relationship with them. Problem solved.
Stop spending all your money trying to impress worthless women. When you find one who's interested in YOU, is worth keeping around, and appreciates who you are, THEN spend some money on her.
It’s a requirement. A prerequisite. If I give you a good date why wouldn’t you give reward me those cheeks. I find it very upsetting to be taken advantage of after giving such a good date. I know women are going be upset about this opinion, but it is what it is.
I think you will die alone
@kingofthellamas
We already know you are. If I do die alone it will be out of my choice to be alone. I'm not the toady boy mangina incel sell out you are.
Absolutely not, however if I treat someone to dinner and they continue to not express intrest I would seriously consider the fact that it might not work out.
Update: to put your best foot forward. To show the other person that you own clothes other than sweat pants and a t-shirt in the event that I would like to leave the house in the time period that we are stuck together duh.
no one is ever obligated to provide sex to anyone. its called consent.
@nopedydoo. Do you think wives should be required to give sex to their husbands?
@nopedydoo. So a wife does not owe her husband sex? One more reason to not get married.
Here is a reality check for you. If you deny your husband sex you are default giving him permission to seek sex elsewhere.
@krakenAttsckin a women, wife or not, is never obligatied to provide you with sex. In loving relationship you will both want to express care and emotion, and well sometimes down right horny Ness , with each other. But neither is ever obliged too. That's just dark ages thinking dude. Man up.
@kingofthellamas lmao what a cuck. Girls in relationships are obligated to have sex. Not on a date though.
@bamesjond0069. I suspect you either have not known true love or your going to die alone.
@kingofthellamas why would i die alone? Most girls know they owe a man sex and are glad to do so. I never had any issues with it. But i also assume i owe them things as well. Its always worked out awesome for me.
@kingofthellamas You saying "man up" made me LOL! There are so many "male feminist" on this fucking board.
@kingofthellamas "True love"... holy shit, you made me LOL again! 😂🤣🤣😂
Show your mother's, your wives and your daughter's these posts. Then let's chat some more
@kingofthellamas What motivation is there for a man to get married without guaranteed sex?
@kingofthellamas Men like you have no idea how you sound on this board. Men have given women everything (legal power, economic power, protection) and have asked for nothing in return.
I think it was Yads that said something along the lines of how we men have created the entitled bitchy modern women because we always defer to them, so much so they have come to expect and demand it. Men have turned women into what they are today which is ashamed. Men don't even get assured sex out of marriage and a wife can have a husband charged with "rape" on a whim.
Men created the beast that is modern woman and it will take men to change females back to real women.
Should a wife deny her husband sex of he displeases her?
@KrakenAttackin yeah its crazy but the feminazis say a wife doesn't owe a husband sex, so then i suppose a husband doesn't owe his wife protection. If there is a break in feel free to shove your wife at them and run lmfao their would be a shit storm on a man if he ever "wasn't in the mood" to protect his wife.
Plus in my experience women want sex just as much as men. doesn't a man also owe his wife sex? Smh.
@bamesjond0069 Married women weaponize sex.
@kingofthellamas
Fuck you cuck. Man up punk.
@bamesjond0069 I LOVE the idea of denying a bitchy wife protection or some other key "man" job by saying "I'm not in the mood"!
@KrakenAttackin my girlfriend was being a bitch to me earlier today and she had to carry some heavy ass shit to load in her car and i said if you dont do your girl duties you got time to do the man duties and i put on the tv. Lmfao. She went and did the thing i asked her to do and apologized and then i carried it for her. Its pretty easy to remind women how things work. Same shit with sex. If you're too tired to suck my dick i will gladly fine some other girl to relieve you of the duty and you can thank me for making your life easier? No? Well then do your damn job.
@bamesjond0069 Outstanding!
@KrakenAttackin
This is why I don't give a fuck about bitches. They are not worth it.
@joeblow123 Ha! Perfect!
What kind of rape culture shit is this. Nobody is EVER obligated to have sex with ANYONE.
Saying someone is obligated to have sex is rape culture, end of.
Obligation is not equals rape learn deam word meaning. Obligation is act where person is moraly or legaly bound, a duty or commitment. There is nothing about forcing sex, unless you sign some fucked up papers or live in fucked up cou try that would force you to have sex.
Use your brains once in a while, not scream rape at first chance when someone says something you dont agree with.
Are you dumb or did you just not read the whole thing twice "rape culture"
Also read the askers update. Rape culture.
You're* dumb* as a* does not* equal*
Google rape culture sweetie.
If you can speak and write in at least 4 languages, then you can bitch about my spelling in second language.
I googled, and since I am linguist and culturologist, I do not see any culture there. Just a miss mash of things and actions feminists does not like (lest exclude rape from there as no normal human agrees with it). Rape is not trivialized as most articles say it is, nor there are widespread actions that would refuse to acknowledge the harm caused by sexual violence, nor there are cultural norms that imply that the rapist is not at fault but rather the society at large. You could argue that rape culture exist in war as psychological warfare, but that is not topic here.
In fact RAINN (Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network) cites studies that found that about 3% of man are responsible for 90% of rapes. For culture to exist that number must be way highter. In reality that if few individuals with no regards for other people and lav that commits these crimes.
Study a bit more before screaming about something you dont understand honey, or have I completely wrong view on American culture?
No. If he puts a ring on my finger then that’s another story.
What a ridiculous question. Where has the common sense gone in today’s society? Is it any wonder people fail in relationships with this self centred entitlement? Genuinely, what on earth has happened!
Lmao have you seen the poll results
Yeah, thank goodness. But why is this still a question? What’s happened in society for this question needing to be asked?
Lol most likely you eat a lot of good shit. Who wants sex after u eat a lot nobody.
No, why do you want sex because you did what Jesus would do? which is feed the hungry.
Your all going to hell lmao
@VanillaSalt It's the person that wrote the original post that needs to be more worried than we need to. God has his picture on a poster at the entrance of the pearly gates that says, "do not let this guy in here".
He’s a fool. can't be helped. I personally don’t give women more respect then I have to anymore. I try and give them wide berth. Even still what idiot thinks women are obligated to put out... can’t be a man stupid enough to believe that he’s gotta be a troll.
@KrakenAttackin depends on the vintage...
In my opinion, if someone takes someone out to a fancy dinner just to get them in bed, then they are scum.
@thirdeclipse
Says the virgin strikeout artist who lives in his mother's basement.
This is a strange damn question, of course not. Besides how many people truthfully have sex on the first date? Probably very few.
Taking a girl out for dinner is a beta move in the 2020s, as is going for coffee. The best way to get laid is to make it less formal. Either bang her straight off of Tinder or take her for a couple of drinks.
Girls can downvote me all they like. Guys like me get laid and those guys go home to nothing but the right hands with empty wallets.
Hell no. If she treated me to an amazing date I am not required to put out either
She has to at least five him a blowjob after the date. Not a big fucking deal.
This poll make me not want to date any girl anymore. I think forever alone it not sound that bad afther this one.
i don't know i wouldn't mind giving a guy a nice blowjob after a nice dinner date... mainly because i'd want to.
@chrissykerdock for such a girl i will take her to LUX. I will try to give her the best date she will ever have
that's the idea... i can eat dinner and pay for it myself... i'd rather put on a sexy dress have a nice dinner and give a blowjob later on what would be wrong with that? i love giving them anyway.
Do guys expect girls to provide sex after a fancy and well executed dinner date?
I’d say the majority of guys would expect sex after a fine dinner but you gotta break that down because if you are speaking about the majority you need to include married guys and guys in relationships.
Yes I used some because in my opinion less than 50% of guys who treat a stranger to dinner the first time seeing them would expect penis to vagina sex that night. Absolutely some do, but again more than 50% of guys do not expect they are paying for a hooker by buying a steak.
@sessy
Women make demands from men all the time yet when men make demands from women women start crying about it. Don't like it don't do it.
@DavidFox
" And if someone reacts negatively to another persons needs then that’s a red flag."
I believe the denial of sex after a date would fit that.
@joeblow123 Both parties should respect each other’s needs not demand or pressure them.
@joeblow123 the denial of sex after a date isn’t a red flag, it’s a norm. Just because you buy her a steak doesn’t mean she opens her legs. The fact is you failed to communicate your need for sex prior to the date.
If that's your way of trying to get a girl to sleep with you then why don't you cut the bullshit and just go hire an escort...
That just sounds like prostitution with extra steps..
Are men obligated to provide sex after a fancy and well-executed dinner date?
NO, it was just a dinner, not a payment for a sevice.
If the food was good why not have some fun. Depends who paid.
What? I’ll grab a salad from chick fil a😂 “”””obligated”””” GET OUTTA HERE
Sex definitely not however unless the date goes horribly a second date should be expected.
I think that is your personal choice. I know one blonde bombshell who got a lot of free meals off her looks. Careful if you not into them, give them the bad news nicely and don't budge.
Not at all. I personally never felt obligated to do such thing.
No. Nobady is ever obligated to do anything they do not wish to do.
No, but it also wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to show the guy a little love after he's put in some work.
Oh sweetie paying for a dinner is not putting in work 💀
@offendedsorbet No, but planning a fantastic date and working long days at his job so he can piss his resources away on an ungrateful recipient is putting in work. When you throw in the time he spends working a job to pay for the date, men put in more work than women.
Nobody is ever obligated to provide aex, even if they have multiple times in the past. They may be more likely to if we've had sex before, but regardless of what you do, sex isn't a guarentee.
Of course not. If you want that kind of date, hire a hooker.
If the guy expects sex after dinner, he needs to verbalize that beforehand. Otherwise, the woman is under no obligation.
What's really scary is that there's many psychpathic men out there who actually believe this.
Although a man will very much so enjoy a sexual reward after a well executed date, it is not entirely necessary for the woman to go threw with it.
No one male or female are never obligated to give sex.
**Ever
Let me go ahead and pre-emptively dial 9-1-1....Geezus no
Look, men aren't nice like that. On first dates you should always go 50/50 or do something free
It’s easy to say go Dutch. But there is still an underlying cultural pressure for the man to pay. The server will hand him the bill first.
This is why I always pay on the first date but I keep it cheap. A few drinks and maybe an appetizer. Never full dinner on a first date.
No one is ever obligated to provide sex. Sex should be given willingly or not at all.
They should be, but they expect endless free shit using the jokers wild card of “potential vagina”... which is why most males are starting to realize it’s cheaper and quicker to just hire a whore.
Girls are never obligated to provide sex to anyone, not even if they are married!!!
Respect!!!
I wish more men would think like you.
Then I apologize for the men who have no respect.
Chicks don’t have equal pay or control over their bodies. So yeah! Put out if I buy you a fucken steak.
Guys like you is why i pay for my own meal at a date :) Incase he's thinking he's on a date with a prostitute and expects me to pay him with sex, as if sex is a currency
@AdorableLilo relax I’m kidding
You'd be surprised how many guys would say your original comment and actually mean eat. Excuse me for seeing it as a serious statement xd
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