Why do guys or men need to have social skills in order to get a girlfriend but girls, women don't? ? (Page 2)
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That is true of young pretty women but they expire quickly like a fresh glass of milk on a blistering hot day. Once they age into sour cream they need to developboth or just accept being a cum rag for the guys at the bar
They are mostly worthless after 22
I hear people say it's often either after over 25 or over 30 for them
They are mostly worthless
Woman are usually naturally conversationalists i find it in general that as a guy its more of a challenge to get past the logic of point A to point B so that you dont end the convo. But still social skills are important. If a woman lacks them its probably only because she is shy, doesn't like the guy or just lacks chemistry and common interests or its the guy’s fault lol
Makes sense because women get practice on autopilot or automatically since they are the ones being pursued
Because most girls naturally form girl bonds earlier in life so they become social and its easier for them & they need those connections but not all guys do and dont place an importance on that so they find that difficult but it applies to everything in life
Or women basically just get practice with their social skills without having to put forth as much effort as men do to build their social skills since women are not expected to open their mouth first, if you get what I'm saying
Attitude.
Double standards.
Unwillingness of taking themselves in the neck and grow.
Female's have built up an persona that they have better social skills. the funny thing is majority sucks at it. even gotten worse the past 30 years.
Because life caters to females and males have to learn to cater, this is why men must learn social skills and females don't need to.
Dude all this is just basic human bio stuff. Men pursue the women. The women chooses who she excepts. Same with animals. Male animals are usually the more decorated and beautiful, like peacocks, some sing songs or dance for their mate. Females have an idea of what they are looking for and if that isn’t you, well, then she’s not for you. It sounds like you are just bitter from being rejected so many times. Not trying to be rude here.
I’ve been questioning why women get to choose for a long time and your lack of knowing the difference between accepting and excepting leads me further down this path.
So do you just want to walk up to any women and say “let’s have sex” and have it work? You’re just fucking lazy and mad you can’t get laid. Women like effort. Women like to be the only girl in the world and it’s biological. We are biological beings. Each one complex. Women don’t want to walk up to men and fuck them, men want to do that to women. (Obviously some people are different)
This comment is for the poster
Yeah I'd say that's an understatement, I've kind of always resented how women played a passive role
That’s because we are taught that men like to “chase” us. In middle school when the boy who had a crush on us chased and poked us on the playground. Just an early example. Also we are told “Never chase a man, let him chase you” so what do you think will happen when we were taught that? Just another thing to think about.
I assume you had your first boyfriend in your teenage years
I assume every guy you dated, he was the one who pursued you
No. The issue is that women consistently choose the wrong guy to a point that it actually taints their perception of the reality of decent men. They go after these guys that all women want, can't handle, and either leave or get left by; but these women also believe that they're special and can do something that countless women before her couldn't. That's just to start. The bigger problem is just how unreasonable the average woman's standards are. Women don't realize how bad they've fucked up the dating market and don't realize how easy they have it compared to men everywhere in life [between 18 and 30] where they actually make more (especially for the work they do) and get a roughly 40% grading bias through their entire education. So because women actually have it easier, and they've been told that men have it so much easier in life, they actually believe that they're at some sort of disadvantage when in reality they make more, get more perks for being female, and expect men to provide things that can't be provided outside of the top 5 or so percent. Women have this massive delusion that they're worth so much more than they are, and when good guys won't date them or only want to sleep with them once and disappear that most men are like that.
There are tons of guys out there that are decent that get overlooked because women have this warped perception of reality, meanwhile if it was up to men to make the decision nearly every woman would be encouraged to be a good woman and other women would in tern socially demand that women be better instead of the worse that they encourage each other to be today. As a result we have a large percentage of women that men wouldn't touch with another man's 20 foot dick and we have a huge percentage of women that don't realize they're under 5/10 but still get male attention because they show their tits online.
I realize that your response was for the poster, just wanted to toss in my opinion. I may have come across a little abrasive, don't take it personally I don't think you're an idiot. I just started out in a certain tone and continued with it. I harbor no ill will or resentment towards you, just stating my observations of statistics and through empirical evidence.
There are awkward shy women who are attractive but are never approached. Life isn't fair. bGet 9brr it. You can learn to be less awkward. Start by just saying hello to people. How many people do you greet by name when you see them?
This is such nonsense. You just don't like women. Just make the post I don't like women. Not whatever it is this alleged question was.
Probably because I always resented that guys have to be the ones to court women or be the initiators
As a woman who initiates it and isn't afraid to approach I find it annoying that when a woman who doesn't do that comes along you guys don't want to date her because you feel like oh well she wants me there must be something wrong with her. Stop whining about not having women approach because the ones that do you guys don't even want them anyway. Even if you like them. So you guys are just like so irritating. Even with all of this I will never ever say something like I hate men.
I'm no super hero.
Women who initiate are the only dangerous ones. Men who initiate are the only dangerous ones. People who keep to themselves don't hurt anyone. This is the perspective maintained by both sides, and clearly illustrated by your tendency to approach. Yet, there is a difference.
Men and women of the new age are trained that men are unilaterally going to be preying on women. There's no shortage of tropes and outright policy to drive this idea home. For men, especially, we have to become mind readers and know exactly how you're thinking. It's not enough to gauge social ques anymore, not in an age where men who are "too intimating" can be charged with all manner of heinous deeds for getting it wrong. This, perhaps, is where op is frustrated, but is certifiably where I am. It's easy to see why most people wouldn't understand why people don't know what they want and what they're thinking. That aside, especially when men are told everything they could possibly do is either rapey or dry, there's room for frustration. I'm no super hero.
@TwinTonyz spot on.
But there's no denying the fact that it's rare for a woman to be the initiator or just nowhere is common as it is for men
Good God enough with this question already.
It has just always filled me with anger and rage of how men are always expected to make the first move, and I feel like my youth went to a waste and it makes me more mad being born a guy because I feel like my gender is expected to take or accept responsibility for our lives or situation more than women are
We. Get. It.
Having good social skills is necessary for both sexes. It’s not only important when it comes to dating, but also when it comes to friendships, work, etc.
I’ve noticed that most men are socially inept, which hugely affects their interactions with women. Women are better when it comes to interacting with men than the opposite.
Part of the reason why I asked this question is because one thing I've always hated but I know this will never change is that if a guy is socially awkward or socially inept, he gets labeled as creepy or weird but if a woman is like that she is seen as cute and adorable, a guy can be labeled creepy if he is socially clumsy even if that guy means no harm.
And when a guy wants to overcome or get rid of being socially awkward or socially inept, unfortunately he will mess up and messing up is part of the process of learning how to overcome it and part of messing up means he will likely have to deal with being labeled creepy or weird or just accidentally making people uncomfortable.
Women can avoid going on that journey because they have guys hitting on them or pursuing them
I disagree. Just because a guy is socially awkward doesn’t make him creepy. It isn’t true. You will be creepy if you harass or keep pushing if the woman rejects you.
It makes sense for women to be naturally better at interacting with the opposite sex because women automatically get practice for talking to men from the moment they hit puberty because they're the ones that get hit on so they learn the basics very young by doing nothing
Listen, if you want to be all upset about approaching women, they don’t bother talking to them. You seem to be very bitter when it comes to women. Would you feel better if a man approached you instead, so you don’t have to do anything?
Yeah that's correct but at the same time a guy doesn't do that he will remain single
Then deal with it!! SMH
I assume every boyfriend you had, he was the one who pursued you or hit on you
Yes.
Why am I not surprised
It is what it is 🤷♀️
A woman can be bitter towards men but men will still be willing to sleep with her or date her but not really the other way around
That's a bit exaggerated, but the answer is that there is more competition among guys for a girlfriend, especially in younger age groups where they outnumber women.
LOL I wonder where you live and the kinda people around you because this question right here is a lie!
Yepp
I was speaking of my lifelong resentment of how men have to be the ones to court women
You must be going out with the prima donna's and high maintenance girls.
So let me paraphrase your statement in the context of the real world and the situation that you don’t seem to grasp:
‘You must be dating women”
@DeltaCharlieEcho Wait! You are dating other men?
Well it feels that way because men are always expected to talk to women first
Not true, she needs social skills or it won't last.
It feels that way because men always do the heavy lifting in social interactions between men and women
If you need to do the heavy lifting she isn't interested.
it's not so much "social skills" as it is the plain ability to take "no" for an answer. there's a yin for every yang, however many men aren't willing to be patient and prefer to bicker an uninterested woman instead.
I was speaking of my lifelong hatred of how men are always expected to court women or make the first move
Being angry always gets the girl too... They do by the way I've done so well with men because of my killer social skills or as I call it charm
Well it's different for you as a woman since you're not expected to approach guys or hit on them
Okay point? You mad you're a man now
Move on
Yeah I resent being the Hunter
So a guy should not resent having to approach women?
Girls/Women do need social skills or they become the crazy cat lady
Be glad that as a woman you're not expected to be confident, because nobody cares about a woman's confidence, that's not how men are attracted to women
not remotely true
Bc men are easy and most of them simp over women without looking at their personality thats why they get dumped or rejected sorry not sorry.
We all do. Men are more sex driven but deep down we all have to work are social skills to get relationships.
Ya but men do the heavy-lifting in the interaction
Ehh, maybe when it comes to chivalric shit and stuff. But ultimately you’re both working it.
Feels that way when it comes to starting a relationship
That's not true, I knew some guys at school that were completely turned off by the hot girls because they acted stupid (in their eyes at least).
Just get a down-to-earth woman who doesn't care about that bullshit like I have.
Didn't you say you have autism?
Yep and I am dating a hot, kinky 19 year old.