This seems like a simple question, but it's not. If a guy is under six feet tall, or just ugly, or is overweight, or unattractive for any other unlisted reason, and doesn't have ego brimming out the ass, or a fat bank account, he's likely going to have long periods of being VERY alone.
Do any women out there understand just how lonely and alone some men get? I don't think they do. Like 95% of women can get a man at any given time, if she wants to. And I see so many women make the inaccurate advice to just "lower your standards and go after women 'in your league'" as if all men are just shooting for 9s and 10s. Ironically, that is something many women probably do, but assume men have the same options.
So I'm curious. Do any women at all understand just how f*ckin' HARD it is for an unattractive man to find someone?
I'm not leaving Anonymous Mode on; f*ck the trolls.Yeah I've used this picture before. It's worth using again here.It's funny cause it's true.♫ Lonely / I'm Mr. Lonely / I have nobody / For my own ♫
Do women actually understand how lonely 'guys who aren't attractive' get?
Yeah, I keep hearing that 666 bullshit. Over 6' tall, 6 pack abs and 6 figure salary.
The average height of an American man is 5'9" Only 12.5% are over 6' tall. If you look around in the REAL world, it's not just guys over 6' who have girlfriends or wives. Not even close.
How many guys have six figure incomes? Seriously?
Even the six pack abs thing is bullshit. Again, look around. The average weight of American men is 195lbs. That's actually heavy for 5'9". I see scrawny, paunchy and even fat guys who are married or in relationships.
I'm over 6', but I NEVER had six pack abs or anything close to a six figure income. I was fit but not bulging muscles. My penis is average. No woman ever expected me to support them. Yet I never had trouble getting girlfriends - good girls who were pretty and had healthy values, hopes and dreams. All but one loved me.
If that 666 shit was what women were really about, fewer than 5% (probably more like 1%) would be in relationships or married.
All this nonsense is based on the assumption that all women are shallow. I think it's a matter of certain men projecting their own attitudes onto women.
Maybe women just aren't attracted to guys who have a low opinion toward women in general. Maybe the majority of women aren't shallow and stupid after all. Maybe they don't want to be treated as inferior to men. Maybe they don't want to be subservient yacht girls who are only valued for what THEY can do for men.
That "Man versus Woman" meme is the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
Sorry, MC. I like you, bro, and am not pointing a finger at you with this comment. I know that you've been through some shit and you've been hurt. I also don't presume to know your dreams, desires, attitudes or beliefs.
I'm just trying to point out some helpful facts. I actually made a similar comment yesterday on a guy's Take about how women only wanting 666 guys. The idea triggers me because I have great respect and regard for women.
What women and men REALLY want is a topic for long discussion.
Let me add a personal perspective. Without going into detail, I realized in my mid-30s that I needed to adjust my attitude. I started working on it. If I hadn't, the woman that I fell in love with and asked to marry me wouldn't have liked me. We've been married now for 25 years and, believe me, she is no leech. We are in it together. And neither of us is the boss.
I think you grew up in a world where that might have all been true, but is no longer the case. For guys 40 and under, I think what I'm saying is more truthful than for guys over 40 and 50, who grew up in a time where women were women, and men were men. Nowadays, both genders kinda suck. So many men are mentally weak, effeminate, simps, and have no self-respect or dignity. So many women have inflated egos, entitlement, bad attitudes, feminist mindsets, and expect social equality but for a man to be financial slaves and subservient to them, 24/7. If it was just "my flawed mindset," so, so, SO many men wouldn't be saying the same exact thing, or even going MGTOW (giving up all women, for good, and being permanently single).
I think the age gap here is a reason why you can't see what I see daily (in the West or in Korea). I'm sorry, no, I don't see this "all kinds of people with each other" stuff you're talking about. It especially wasn't the case back in the US. I don't ever see short, or broke, or ugly men, walking around with women unless they're Trump-rich. We must live in different universes or something. Personality also seems to mean very little, among BOTH genders. That's why guys can be abusive and cheaters, so long as they're "confident." And women can get away with being bitches or extremely selfish, so long as they're "hot." (Not even going to get into OnlyFans/Simp Culture, here.)
I also don't "hate women," but I'm going to call a spade a spade. As a short, overweight, dark-skinned guy only making $33K a year, I DO think all that stuff matters. And I was a gentleman up until the age of 29. (Not a "Nice Guy" and definitely not a "wanting to get into her pants" type, as I've said before my penis is too small to even try to have sex with a woman, anyway. I was a *genuine* Hopeless Romantic.) I met only ONE woman in my life that defied the standard, here. And I lost her in a fire. She was the one exception to the rule.
I respect your opinion, and I can see your Optimist side of it. I just think we live in very different realities.
You might be right. I'm sure things ARE different these days, compared to when I was dating. Internet changed things a lot. But I still see a LOT of young couples who fit "average" standards. The guys don't even have one of the three sixes and the girls aren't greedy, self centered or bitchy. So I don't know what explains that. I'm wondering if the ass holes are more prevalent in urban settings.
No they could never understand us no matter how hard we explain to them what it's like because for females they can have friends and family and all these people around them they love and who love them but claim they feel lonely and alone, whereas a guy like me has none of that and the harder I try to connect with people the more alone and lonely I feel because of all the rejection I get. I live alone and go through life alone because no one wants to be apart of my life and I'm fine with the amount of loneliness I feel daily but when it worsens because I'm a dumbass who tries connecting with people only to be pushed aside, is a loneliness I can't bare.
The reason that I do this is because anyone can be capable of breaking someone’s heart: ugly and attractive people. So, with that logic, I would rather be attracted to someone who is capable of hurting me rather than give someone ugly a chance if they’re just going to hurt me anyways. I’ve dated “ugly” before and was hurt badly and that’s when my mentality changed and I started to choose better looking people and yes I was still hurt but honestly at least they were nicer to look at. I’d rather be sad about this than be sad that I’m left alone and hurt.
I mean i never really thought about it but so many people find themselves in that predicament. Even being in a relationship you can still feel alone. It doesn’t cure loneliness. As someone who has not had a boyfriend in almost 3 years I find myself pretty alone and sometimes I cry other times I find something to do like watch a movie or paint. A relationship is not the end all be all. You will find someone
I'm sure there are women out there that do understand loneliness of men, but that isn't a reason for a woman to date one because they are lonely, that's like a pitty date or something. Women are attracted to more than looks and height, a less attractive guy who isn't tall can have plenty of luck with women if he has a great personality and confidence in himself. That criteria is met by quite a few of my friends and they don't have any problems attracting women decause they aren't constantly down on themselves. Women don't like guys who are constantly down on themselves, and it shows a mile off.
It's doubtful. What's worse is when you're more of the intellectual type so when you do talk to a woman you've gotta force yourself to discuss whatever bullshit pop-culture is relevant at the time. Ooooh boy, so fulfilling talking about game of thrones every day. Yeah, fuck you Megan.
It’s true. Some women have no idea how brutal they are when they reject guys. Also, they are not just rejecting you but they are, in many cases, saying to other women not to bother with the guy sue rejected.
Modern day Liberal women have reinstated the Scarlet Letter. Only now, instead of an A, they call it "I for Incel," regardless of it being truthful or not. Ironic, considering most of the same women tend to be sexually promiscuous and into "open relationships" thus value men (and women) only for sexual value and nothing more, which is as "misogynist" as you can get.
@OlderAndWiser females feel loneliness even when surrounded by loved ones, as an ugly guy myself I've never felt lonely around friends but when all my friends started having relationships and families and I couldn't even get a date and making new friends turned out to also be impossible, the lonelier I became. Females are always going to have people in their lives who want to be there in their lives, whereas an ugly guy like myself has to fight for people to be in my life but no one wants to be in my life so yea females can say whatever they want but truth is they have it all a lot easier.
@InferiorElegy It sounds like you are feeling sorry for yourself and giving yourself excuses. And I know about this, because I did that at one time, too.
@OlderAndWiser I don't feel sorry for myself, nor do I feel the need to make excuses, I only say what I know through experiences. If you want to be a blind white knight that's up to you but honestly females have it a lot easier in life, there are many pillars of support in place for females and very little if any for males and to say otherwise is dumb. Females who claim loneliness always have people around them, I haven't had anyone in my life for most of my adult life and being as unattractive, unwanted and invisible as I am I do know what true loneliness feels like. It's less lonely and hurts less to close myself off, no one wants to be apart of my life anyways and it's just safer this way, so do I feel sorry for myself? No, I've made my decision and I am fine with it, attractive people could never tell me they know how I feel and what I'm going through, you've never had to live the life I've had.
@InferiorElegy And females who face loneliness can cheat or wind up with some abusive loser because they chose that over loneliness. Most times it is better to be by yourself than to be with the wrong person.
@InferiorElegy I'm not a white knight but I have enough experience to know that feeling sorry for yourself, making excuses, blaming the other gender for your woes. . . all of those are strategies for guys who do not want to succeed.
@OlderAndWiser again didn't blame females for my woes, I don't feel sorry for myself and I have no need to make excuses. I've only ever blamed myself for my issues and problems.
What problems does any woman ever face in finding a partner or even sex? Like, I'm not being facetious. I genuinely want to know. How can a woman be lonely where even sub-average women are opening an OnlyFans nowadays.
That's a dumb thing to say because even so called "ugly girls" don't want ugly guys. It's female nature to always want better. Females won't go less than a 4 and any guy that's less than a 4 won't ever have a decent chance at dating and us 0s well we don't have a chance in hell when it comes to dating..
@InferiorElegy there is 0 girls too u still have a choice with them. And i ve seen 7 girls with 4 guys... and via versa. My advice to you is to concentrate on something else, besides dating... on ur career, on your hobby. Maybe u just look desperate and empty inside... maybe its not even ur apperance
Nope it's my face, been told so many times when rejected also I gave up on dating years ago, I'd never try ever again, I waste too much time over almost 20 years with nothing but rejection and harsh rejections as well. Also the fact that there might be females who are 0 doesn't matter because they still go for 4s and up.
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