Do you think short men who blame their height for not doing well with women also lack in other areas they refuse to acknowledge?

[LegendaryDater]

[Anonymous]

I’m considered a short guy. Is it a block? Sure. Does it weed out a lot of women? Sure.


It’s a thing that I will have to overcome.


Being short will not completely destroy all chances of dating, or dating someone good looking (or attractive in other ways).


It DOES seem that to overcome being short, I have to be so much more in… other areas. Whatever areas. And it can be depressing to look at everything Injave to do, and how much time I have to spend, in order to get to a point where short me can get through things.


And if someone is short, obese, ugly, geeky, they will have to really work on themselves - Whatever they can change or improve - to compensate. They will have to be that much wealthier. That much more influential. That much more of an amazing speaker… that amazing in bed… whatever… in order to have better chances.


Can they be short? Yes. Short and balding? Sure. Short, fat and balding? And get supermodels? It’s possible. Unlikely, but possible. Can he be short and poor and get women? Sure. Not as likely if he was tall and rich, but it’s still possible. He had just better be amazing with what little he has, and have influence and potential.

[coachTanthony]

In many cases short men who put all the blame on height are lacking in other areas of their life. That is just a fact. I think many men use the height thing as an excuse not to get better. I have had plenty of clients who were short do well because they had their SHIT together.

[LegendaryDater]

I see it all the time dude.

[Positivity700]

I respectfully disagree with this comment. As if good-looking people don't have an advantage in all areas of their life. This has been shown by studies and research (aka the pretty privilege). Having confidence won't make an ugly person more attractive, they'll just be perceived as arrogant, creepy or aggressive by people, if they are too bold and attempt to flirt with others... Honestly telling them to work on their looks (lose the extra weight if they're overweight, get a better hairstyle and in some cases plastic surgery) might yield better results.

[LegendaryDater]

@Positivity700 It's an excellent observation of real world and not studies or crap you read on the internet. So appreciate the comment but he ain't wrong. I have seen it myself. Most of my buddies are short and killing it.

[Positivity700]

@LegendaryDater
So you're saying that if Zayn Malik walks in a room he will be treated the same with an unattractive, or overweight and short guy, since you don't believe that discrimination based on one's looks exist...

[LegendaryDater]

@Positivity700 I think you just made Coach's point here with all do respect. If you are a short guy you need to up your game and compete. Short guys have a disadvantage but it doesn't mean they can't still play the game. You seem to think all short guys are doomed? Correct?

[Positivity700]

@LegendaryDater
Well they have to be rich and make at least 6 figures to stand a chance

[LegendaryDater]

@Positivity700 Many of my short friends make about 80k a year. They hit the gym. They tan. They do all the things tall dumb men take for granted. Just because you're tall doesn't mean it's your golden ticket. I have learned so much from my short counterparts that it makes me feel lazy. Hey I appreciate you and your opinions man.

[Ms_Facesitter]

I believe that wholeheartedly. I met a cute guy last week. He was around 5'6. He smiled at me and I came over to talk. We got along well and happen to live in the same city. He was a sweet guy. I am 6'1 by the way.

I have seen many short guys who I found attractive. Many short guys who my friends found attractive. Many short guys who are in a happy relationship right now.

This week has been crazy on G@G regarding short guys and they all seem to just mention their one flaw and Inly that flaw... their height. But they don't mention anything else. It's mind boggling that they refuse to acknowledge short guys being successful in the dating world. "Under 6 ft? = Officially unattractive always, game over" that's how they seem to go about it and it's pretty sad.

It's almost as sad as the dick size questions. They talk about it like that's the only quality they have as a partner, as a person.

My short kings and short men yet to be crowned. Stop feeling sorry for yourself and read this post!

[WhiteBoyChill]

I don’t make posts about my height but all this feel-good talk doesn’t change the reality. Vast majority of men in relationships are above 6ft.

[Ms_Facesitter]

And what about the reality of the short guys who are successful in dating?

[WhiteBoyChill]

They’re in the minority. It is not a statistical reality that most men can expect

[WhiteBoyChill]

Short men*

[Ms_Facesitter]

With that mindset I somehow don't doubt that.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Not sure what you mean if it’s just a simple observation. Of all the short guys I know, only a very small minority of them are actually in relationships

[AmyHew1tt]

It is generally harder for them, but yes, I think this is true. There seems to be a lot of that on here, not even just in regard to height.

Some women are shallow. But it's not nearly as many as the internet makes it out to be. For lots of the girls who have a height preference, it's not about consciously being like: "Oh, he's short. Yuck. I'd look horrible with a short guy." It's about what you are just naturally attracted to, not a judgment. Or the girl's own kind of insecurity about seeming much taller than average in comparison to her boyfriend. And even that doesn't always have to be a given, people fall in love all the time, especially if you get to know each other without the pressure of trying to decide if you want to date. There is no reason for guys on the shorter side to give up.

[LegendaryDater]

Everything you have said is true. I am sure short guys get treated horribly for being short but do they really want a woman who is that shallow? No so we can't say all women are this shallow it wouldn't be fair. Appreciate you and your opinion.

[Guy13]

One of my best friends is Asian and 5'3 with both wife and child. So, short people can have a married life too. How did he do it?

It must have something to do with the American male Shorties among us Perhaps, the Shorties personal affairs are not impressive to the women. My Chemical Engineer friend and his Accountant wife are short for the Asian population in the developing world but both blissfully married.

Perhaps all you disappointed short guys would have better luck in SE Asia and the developing world. Thailand, Cambodia, and Burma would be good places to seek your height people. I will be more than happy to convey many cultural nuisances that will lessen the probability that you insult a traditional and conservative people group.

Another plus is that 3 baht to 1 USD. This means a 200,000 in USA home is around 70,000 USD in Thailand. Prices were much less during the COVID period. Best in your endeavors.

[coachTanthony]

A friend of mine moved to Thailand he wasn't super short but damn he did very well over there.

[Guy13]

@coachTanthony Yep, there's a reason Xpats go and never return. Balding, fat, 5'6. and older western men have a distinct advantage as the closer one gets to Buddha look the more likely he is to be respected and rewarded.

The ugly "blokes" get the white porcelain hot girls, however, there is dowry and traditional Family elements involved

[coachTanthony]

Can't wait Ha

[kylee2437]

Yes. Those men also lack confidence and radiate their insecurity which is such a huge turn off quality

[Asad1ONE1]

Femcel alert ⚠️

[Lookingforthetruth]

Yes height is a major factor. Just look at how women react and treat male celebs when they find out he's short.

https://www.reddit.com/r/cringepics/comments/1jevad/taylor_lautner_is_too_short_210_would_not_bang/

And another male recently showed you the height preference women place on dating sites like bumble where they have total control on who they date. If a guy is short, he pretty much needs to be an amazing guy or very good looking to get a girl.

Even marriage data shows that short men often have to marry late in life and compensate for their short height with money and status to attract women. The only upside being they tend to marry younger women who make less than them but have more traditional marriages which last longer. While tall men tend to marry women of their generation and many times the woman is the higher earner.

[Anonymous]

A defeatist attitude gets you nowhere but an awful lot of women do have a minimum height to ride mentality. Women are always looking for above average men even though they may be average or below average in most things. I'm 6ft6 when I was in new York working and this is espicially more extreme in manhattan women were lining up to date me because I was tall, even short stumpy women that were 30+, even waitresses on minimum wage. I had my pick and was at times dating two or three gorgeous women at a time.

[_Troian_]

Well there is a evolutionary truth behind it, if I gotta be honest I'd say short men ( who are below 5'9 ft) aren't that wrong with what they thinking, as men we usually like to be with women who are curvy, have a nice shaped hips, big boobs if possible because in our lower mind we want a woman who's fertile enough and women who have those features directly gives our lower-brains a message that ''this woman is fertile and I want to have a sex with her''

It goes same with women, they usually like a guy who looks big.. you don't have to be muscular or anything but just look strong and be a man who is a bit massive at least. Height doesn't have anything to do with strenght, I seen many guys who are below 5'9 ft but they beat the shit out of guys who are above 6'0 ft but the thing is about the first gaze and in first gaze guys who look more massive gets the attention. There is also a very big role of social media, a lot of guys are texting women.. from short to tall, skinny to muscular and they give women an option to pick between them, it gives women too much power and thats what they do.

[DoctorSex]

It's a domino effect.

Yes women prefer men bigger and stronger than them biologically speaking.

If you run into enough crude women, then it's going to effect your confidence and that lack of confidence is going to effect other areas in your life.

Women have told me I'm beautiful my whole life, I'm allowed to make multiple mistakes with women and still seal the deal, does that boost my confidence and part of who I've become? Yes, of course. Has that confidence made me more successful in other areas of my life and define to my level of perceived success in every endeavour I enter? Undoubtedly.

Kind regards,

DoctorSex

[LegendaryDater]

LOL cool name dude

[DoctorSex]

Lol I joined gag when I 19 I think.

Kind regards,
DoctorSex

[DoctorSex]

I was*

[AdithyaR]

Now of course there are women who want taller guys and that's fine, everyone's got a preference.
But yeah I've seen guys date women who are taller than them. If a guy solely blames his height for not being able to date, there probably one of two causes
1. He's in the wrong social circle and needs to meet new people.
2. He's using height as an excuse to avoid the fact that maybe it's something else, like his personality.

[LegendaryDater]

I am tall so I get it I have a huge advantage. All my buddies are short though and do way better then me because they know they have to compete.

[Puppystarfish23]

Yes I know plenty of short guys who've had no trouble at all finding happy, healthy, loving, long lasting relationships.

My best friend actually only likes short guys and won't date guys over 6ft.

Just look at Tom Cruise, Justin Bieber and Tom Holland all dated some of the most beautiful women in the world and women go crazy for them

[LegendaryDater]

Well those are celebrities they certainly get a pass.

[Audiofox]

I never understood this because at six feet tall I’ve dated a few men shorter than me and their height never factored into my attraction to them. In fact, I avoid the “Chad” types because they can be a bit rude and negative minded in my experience.

[LegendaryDater]

I am loving all these comments but don't think men are listening.

[msc545]

We are not listening because women lie like hell about this.

[Audiofox]

@msc545 you don’t have to believe me, that’s your choice but I’m not on GaG to lie.

[msc545]

You simply cannot admit how shallow you are. I understand.

[Audiofox]

@msc545 not every negative thing you tell yourself is true. There’s no reason to be unnecessary to people on the internet because you’re upset about your life. You know nothing about me.

[msc545]

This is not related to me personally. You also know nothing about me.

[Red-Blaze]

Yes, highet is something that for many is importent but personailty beats it everytime
In the end your not spending time with his meat, your spending time with them the looks are mostly a first time thing that matter less and less as you know them and how deep or not they are

[LegendaryDater]

Personality humor always trumps height. How many tall guys can't even string a sentence together? Too many so I guess the woman is like oh well he's tall so I'll keep him? it's funny to me. This has been a great conversation for sure.

[Red-Blaze]

I don't think most will keep a guy that can't string a sentence regardless of highet if there is not outher thing

[Pohjolan]

Likely but height is statistically a pretty important factor.

Case in point; The median average American female on bumbe won't date a median average American guy on bumbe based on height alone.

[Lookingforthetruth]

This right here. Women are far more genetic elitist than men when it comes to physical looks.

[LegendaryDater]

So do you believe short men should just not try with all these statistics in these comments showing doomsday for them?

[msc545]

They will try until they get rejected enough to give up. Do you think this is a good process and good result?

[LegendaryDater]

@msc545 My buddies are all short and do just fine just trying to figure out why everyone else isn't.

[msc545]

Your friends are not a representative sample of short men.

[LegendaryDater]

@msc545 True they worked their ass off to be able to compete with guys like me who are 6'2 and jacked. Wish more people would at least try then give up over some article they read on Reddit.

[msc545]

Apparently, you are not short, and therefore your explanations and experiences of being short and successful with women are meaningless. You have no idea what it is like, and your short friends are not going to complain to you about it.

[LegendaryDater]

@msc545 My friends have complained about it sure but they don't allow it to stop them or giving up. Appreciate you and your opinions.

[msc545]

Worked their ass's off doing what? Becoming taller or better looking? The only thing that makes sense in this context is worked at becoming rich so women could spend their money.

[Pohjolan]

@LegendaryDater
That's not a call I'm willing nor capable to make.
I mean the guys who don't try get a neutral outcome while the guys who try and succeed get a positive outcome but those who try and fail get a negative outcome.

[LegendaryDater]

@msc545 They have worked on their humor, one guy went and did stand up to help with his fear of talking in public, my other friend did toastmasters and got real good at communicating. I could go on but you seem like you don't want to hear any of this. I am very proud of the friends in my life and what they have accomplished.

[msc545]

You would not think this was a remediable problem if you were personally short. Instead, you just sit back and tell others how to fix a problem YOU don't have. There is something very wrong about doing this. Perhaps it is your efforts to provide false hope.

Why do you even care about this problem? You don't have it!

[LegendaryDater]

@msc545 My buddy asked me to post it. He's 5'6. He's done well. I used to rag on him and say he got lucky but knowing him now for 5 years that was wrong of me to say. No such thing as false hope. I have no statistics or articles you guys have all the evidence to keep these guys down.

[msc545]

Try by doing what, exactly? Making money - I believe that. Anything else - no.

[msc545]

No, we have all the evidence to keep them from relying on false hopes and getting even more depressed. All you have is some anecdotal data and your own opinion.

[LegendaryDater]

@msc545 You're right man. Appreciate the comments and setting me straight.

[msc545]

I am glad you have nice friends. The data in regard to this problem doesn't lie, and it trumps your anecdotes and your opinion.

[Sonorous]

I believe that the "lacking in other areas they refuse to acknowledge" is a possibility, not a general prerequisite for all short men.

I say this because there are men that would undoubtedly get more females if they were taller. And them achieving that result wouldn't have anything to do with the other qualities. Only the women's perception of them. As being taller would make them more attractive & more attractive people are perceived more positively due to the halo effect cognitive bias. It allows people's perception of someone's good traits to be raised across the board without them actually having to reflect that increase in value.

[Sonorous]

"And them achieving that result wouldn't have anything to do with the other qualities. "

^Not to say that this is generally the case for short men. I'm only speaking on the type of man in the example I gave. The ones that have acceptable enough qualities to be sexually desired & aren't in denial of negative traits.

[sheikalana]

I've men short men who are pretty good in other areas to compensate their height. E. G. I met a short guy who has a very successful career, a house, a good car, handsome, well mannered, stylish, family oriented basically has everything but is not tall enough to many women but I'm sure many women would also give him a chance because he's stable.

[LegendaryDater]

Short guys can improve or they can cling onto stats and give up. It's really that simple.

[sheikalana]

I agree. If you lack on something try to compensate with other things and be willing to improve.

[petitedollbabee]

Definitely. Personality is a big one. I’d rather date a 5ft man with an amazing personality than date a 6ft man who’s a misogynistic douchebag.

[LegendaryDater]

I have seen many great men in my day who were under 6ft that put in the work and really made something of themselves. They were funny, in shape, and most of all confident.

[Asad1ONE1]

You just directly implied shorter men are physically less attractive lol

[petitedollbabee]

@Asad1ONE1 How did I directly imply that? I didn’t say anything about physical attractiveness.

[Asad1ONE1]

You said "I'd rather", as if you're making sacrifices.

6ft, good looking, amazing personality?

Lol

[petitedollbabee]

Wow that was a big reach. Lol.

[Anonymous]

We're all a sum of our parts. Can a short person use it as a crutch? Yeah. But it is a factor! That isn't debateable. And if a half a dozen women tell him he's "too short" for her or say "i only date guys over 6 feet". I can see how that could affect him more than it should. It's no different than a girthful lady being told she's fat several times convincing her that she's unlovable because she doesn't fit the "ideal" standard of beauty set by society.

[LegendaryDater]

Yes we all have our short comings that we have to deal with and overcome.

[MountAverage]

It's very simple:
There's plenty of short men who successfully date. That fact alone proves that short men who don't have any success in dating, lack in other crucial areas. Usually it's their attitude towards themselves and towards women.
Do short men have it harder in dating? Sure. But the same goes for countless other features. We all have our shortcomings (pun maybe intended), whatever they are.

[alice55]

Most are extremely jealous and possessive as well as insecure (at least all thé guys my sister dated were this ways and they were shorter or same height as her)

so in a way their height is thé problem cause i cause them insécurity

[LegendaryDater]

The issues with their height can definitely lead to being insecure.

[alice55]

Yes it’s pretty crazy

[sunflower00]

Yes absolutely. Short man syndrome, but generally some of them tend to be so much more angry and aggressive or they lack confidence. Or are kind of sexist/hate women

[LegendaryDater]

Some do for sure. They tend to blame all women instead of the idiots they have come in contact with.

[suzzieQ]

Absolutely. The vast majority of the time. It is a lot easier to blame something you can't change about yourself than to address the real issue that takes effort to work on.

[LegendaryDater]

I don't know so many guys here are sticking to their guns that nothing can be done.

[suzzieQ]

Because is easier to blame others than take personal responsibility and be accountable.

[suzzieQ]

mcheetah is a prime example. In a lot of ways he could be a real catch, but he is so hung up in his height that he has convinced himself that his stature is the source of all his problems even to the point he's called it a deformity and that he hates himself because of it. Which is odd considering he is 5'11"..

[LegendaryDater]

Don't know him or many here I am new so I will take your word for it.

[suzzieQ]

@MCheetah you'll see him around

[msc545]

Yes. We're the ones that pay attention to the data instead of our friends and our wishes. Again - something can be done - money, and a lot of it.

[suzzieQ]

@msc545 what data?

[msc545]

Read the various posts in here, and you will see the Bumble data - there is a lot more in other places.

[suzzieQ]

@msc545 okay so then it should be difficult for you to provide the resources

[msc545]

I don't work for you and I'm not your slave. Find your own fucking resources.

[suzzieQ]

@msc545 Lol well if you can't provide your own resources for the supposed data you are referencing you could just say so

[msc545]

I can provide them and I will not take my time to cater to your needs unless you want to pay me for that time.

[suzzieQ]

@msc545 okay well if you can’t take the time to support you own points than that is up to you

[msc545]

If you can't take the time to look through the current question and the answers, I am not doing it for you. Grow up.

[suzzieQ]

@msc545 Well if you can't even support your own point then you dont really have one.

[mandyfire98]

Mostly in social skills or personality in general. Tom Holland got Zendaya. So height isn't a death sentence by any means. Most men obsessed with height are measuring themselves against other men, it's not even focussed on by most women. It's the same as dick size. Men are more obsessed with penis than women are and it's not even close.

[LovingLoverReturned]

Actually I wish I was short enough for some guys (hypothetically speaking.. I don't want to be with many guys but i met a lot of awesome shorter guys). I've dated a little bit shorter than me. And I prefer a guy a fee inches taller, not a whole lot. I'm short sighted anyway 😂 and wouldn't see his face if it's too tall.

[RangerBlue22]

I’m tall but I’ve been beaten out why shorter chubbier wise ass guys a few times back in the day when competing for women. I wasn’t happy about it but height was never something I thought about when I was in the dating game when I was younger.

[UniquelyBasic]

I find it cringe when people complain about being too short when they are like 5'10. lol I think the people having serious issues with height and dating are the guys who are like 5'3 and not the ones who are at least 5'7 and up or around there.

[melanieeeB]

Definitely!! It's mostly their character/mindset instead of their height

[LegendaryDater]

I agree but the so called evidence doesn't lie lol So men have a choice in life. Give up or compete.

[melanieeeB]

Yeah sure a lot of women do want a man taller than her but also 1. there are women who don't and 2. short women themselves do exist enough too lol
In everything true confidence is a key and humor helps a lot too

[LegendaryDater]

Short women do exist that is for sure.

[msc545]

Compete and lose - over and over.

[Vikkrram]

It's all about self confidence if a guy won't feel that obviously he would lack many things.

[LegendaryDater]

Short men who get rejected and blame their height for rejection are really doing themselves a disservice in my opinion.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Height is unimportant to most women, so their real problem is inventing a problem that doesn't exist.

[LegendaryDater]

They did a nice job of convincing short men they are worthless for sure.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Thats just an internet troll for the most part, in the real world most women don't care about height.

[2b4sakn]

Not sure what part of the world you're from but it don't be like that here.

[TheSpaceGnome]

@2b4sakn The US.

And if your neighborhood is that horrible, move.

Also: it's "it isn't like" not "it don't be like"

[2b4sakn]

No shit sherlock. I take it memes are not a strong point of yours, unlike say, being completely delusional and coping about height. You seem to really excel there.

[TheSpaceGnome]

@2b4sakn Delusional? Grow up dude.

[annabananna]

I do think height can hurt you a bit in dating however if you have other qualities women want you’ll be just fine!

[LegendaryDater]

Height is an issue but if they aren't willing to try then that is on them for sure.

[WTFdivorce]

I'm not short but I can't imagine the hate they get from women. The hate they do receive might be the reason for not improving themselves due to lack of confidence.

[LegendaryDater]

I agree. It can be damaging for sure. Anyone can receive trauma no matter what height they are and should seek some kind of help to deal with it.

[bamesjond0069]

Often yes. I know a few short guys who complain but they also have like 10 other things fucked up about them. I'm not so sure it's about the height.

[LegendaryDater]

That is my argument 100%.

[msc545]

Your argument has serious flaws and is simply invalid.

[dowser19]

I'm short, but I think being short has more advantages than disadvantages. I've played athletics all my life though. I haven't heard 1 short person I know ever blame their height for "life failings."

[LegendaryDater]

It's real world perspective. Short guys who go after it and short guys who cling onto bumble studies. We all decide.

[ThatCanucker]

I think short men have it tough. They get picked on and made fun of and some are less likely to take a short man as seriously as taller men as they can have a child like appearance. Maybe there are other issues with those short men but I believe a lot of those issues may stem from how short men can be treated. It puts them on the defensive and likely makes them feel they have to bark loudly to be heard.

[LegendaryDater]

I don't think anyone is denying that. Like Rocky said you going to get up or stay down.

[purplepoppy]

Men rarely fail because of one single trait such as height. You'll see lots of short guys who aren't rich, good looking or powerful with girlfriends.
What they don't have is shitty attitude.

[thegooglepixelfan]

No they is not rhere height rhat is not the issue. I seen both short guys get girfr girlfriend just fine. I also has be in more relationships with short guys. They did ended. I prefer a short guys with good personality then tall men thwt has ugly personality.

[Anonymous]

The "I am too short" excuse is probably the weakest excuse I have never heard.

[Opinion Owner]

*ever

[LegendaryDater]

Do you believe they use it as an excuse not to improve themselves and try and compete?

[abc3643]

Yes, absolutely.

I am short and didn't have problems attracting women.

[Anonymous]

Well true , but not the whole truth. It implies that short men somehow have to be otherwise perfect to get dates whereas tall men can get dates respectively. That indeed proves less height is a disadvantage.

A lot of guys are insecure about girls being taller, as long as she wouldn't mind. You shouldn't either.

[2b4sakn]

This is the uncomfortable truth.

[captain_voidwalker]

Nope I think women are absolutely shallow and petty enough for a man's height to be a massive barrier to dating.

[LegendaryDater]

So short guys should give up is what you are saying or can they compete?

[captain_voidwalker]

I'm saying disregard females, acquire currency. Money is far more fulfilling than women

[msc545]

I don't think so. Women are notorious for not wanting to date men below a certain height.

[msc545]

Women simply lie about their preferences in height and appearance and money, and men are in major denial about it - "Just go to the gym", etc. as if that will make an ugly guy attractive to women. The only thing that works is money, and a LOT of it.

[LegendaryDater]

Why does "ugly" always come up when we are talking about short men? A short man can't hit the gym get ripped get successful and do well with women? I get it if you're ugly. Shit happens in life.

[msc545]

Women will equate "ugly" with short. They don't differentiate.

[LegendaryDater]

Agree to disagree dude. Stay safe have a good one.

[Tracker1958]

A WOMAN that is so shallow that picks her husband/ boyfriend just off how tall he is. Is not a woman I would want in the first place.

[PainusNdeeAnus]

Yes just like women who think they are high value or wife material because of their looks

[Anonymous]

No. No woman can ever love a short guy thats a fact

[LegendaryDater]

I showed your comment to one of my buddies who is 5'6 he chuckled.

[SamK20]

Definitely. No excuses. Put in the work.

[LegendaryDater]

Agree.

[Dinklex3]

Definitely.

[AsaKyo]

Yeah