Will a woman in general date a man who makes less then them?

[coachTanthony]

Sure I don't see why not

Not in 2023

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10 mo

What I mean by less is... more than 10k a year. Thanks @dubiousintentions for pointing it out.

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

Determining whether or not women will generally date men with less income than their own requires meticulous research and statistics to quantify. Instead, many people are answering the question by only providing their personal experiences, which does not actually address the issue at hand. Answering this question is not simple, as many wide-reaching studies on women's dating preferences for men who make less money are practically non-existent. However, based on the data that does exist, much of the information suggests that women typically prefer not to date men who make less money than they do. According to a survey of 3,000 singles across the United States conducted by the dating site "Plenty of Fish," more than 1 in 5 women — 22% — say they wouldn’t date someone who makes less money than them. That’s compared with just 4% of men and 11% of single people overall who said they wouldn’t date someone who makes less money than they do.

One of the main reasons women generally prefer not to date men with less income than their own is because they believe that such a relationship will economically disadvantage them. More often than not, men that are in relationships with women that make more than them tend to be moochers, which could result in the woman feeling like she is taking care of them like a son rather than helping to sustain a lasting relationship. This could lead to a toxic relationship if the woman ever decides not to give the man handouts. In addition, 69% of women in the same study said that they don't feel comfortable paying all the bills and/or being the main breadwinner in the relationship. Another reason could be blamed on societal expectations. Because men are more able-bodied, stronger, and bigger than women on average, they are expected to do most of the work and earn the most money.

In addition, men often get paid more than women, even when working the same job. As a result, men are simply expected to have more money and provide for their families. Because women can get pregnant, they often must undergo maternity leave, which could temporarily halt their own chances of supporting themselves and their families. As a result, the man should be available to step up and provide for the family. Doing so is simply much easier when the man is able to make more money. Of course, this isn't to say that all women prefer to date men with more money. Women should be able to date who they love. However, women should also note the risks of dating a man that makes less money and determine whether or not he truly loves her or if he simply wants a woman to help take care of him similar to a son.

[bingbongbangbung]

did you copy that from ChatGPT?

[Tiffany_Taylor_Made]

@bingbongbangbung: No. I copied some of it from the POF study, namely the statistics, that I based my information from. Other than that, I write my own posts. What makes you say that I copied from ChatGPT, by the way?

www.marketwatch.com/.../many-women-say-they-wont-date-a-man-over-this-one-financial-issue-2017-04-07

[DubiousIntentions]

When you say less than them that can mean even $!. You should say, if they make a significant amount less than the woman. If it were over $10,000, It would get me thinking.

[coachTanthony]

I keep forgetting I am on GAG. I just assume people know. I guess I will update again.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

@dubiousintentions: You won't date a guy you make over $10,000 difference?

[DubiousIntentions]

@Hispanic-Cool-Guy Well, let's say I make 10K a year. That means he makes zilch. It is not my lot in life to support a man who doesn't have a job.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I didn't make mention of him not working, more like if you make $50,000 and he makes $ 40,000 you will not date a man like that or take him seriously?

[DubiousIntentions]

@Hispanic-Cool-Guy That would definitely be on a case-by-case basis. But realistically, the more each person makes the less it matters. Like one makes a million a year and the other $600,000, I don't think either would squawk about the difference.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Just go right ahead and say no you wouldn't date or marry a guy that makes significantly less than you.

Quit being a politically correct freak. It's annoying.

[DubiousIntentions]

@Hispanic-Cool-Guy I did say that above in case you didn't notice. "You should say, if they make a significant amount less than the woman." And for your info, I was just clarifying the statement.

[Tomisworthless]

Men really don’t care how much a woman makes because her finances will never benefit the man. Woman care for a man’s finances because it shows he can provide for her and their kids and offer stability in life.

A guy would date a girl from McDonald’s if he’s a millionaire a woman in that same situation wouldn’t. Women want a man they look up to and respect equal or less than get rejected and humiliated.

[MrOracle]

Most women in 2023 will not. Some will, but if he doesn't make enough to cover at least half of the main bills with a little left over, she probably won't stay for long. It's a pretty small minority who are willing to be the primary bill payer in a sustained relationship.

Someone dug up an old post of mine from a decade ago where I mentioned that women had gotten far more reasonable in 2008-2010 during and just after the last recession, because their own lifestyles had fallen so much, while their demands were crazy in the early 2000s when credit was easy and everyone was refinancing and pulling out money from their homes. We've gotten back to that point again, with the economy going so well prior to COVID, and the rise of Instagram and OnlyFans. And the SIMP men are just as much to blame as the women.

We're coming up on another big correction. As usual, the Tech industry is leading by cutting 200,000 jobs (Elon had to demonstrate by cutting 85% of Twitter, which was all dead weight and Woke activists), but AI is soon going to decimate corporate office jobs like nothing anyone has ever seen. People who aren't getting their hands dirty are going to be replaced by AI over the next 5 years by 80-90%. And robotics will even replace many physical jobs, such as Amazon warehouse workers. Most people aren't paying attention or believe it's far into the future, but it isn't. We're right on the threshold now. As Bob Dylan sang, "the times, they are a'changing."

[Shamalien]

Programmers will always be in high demand, but the woke fluff will get pruned yeah. A lot of people seem to think AI is going to replace programmers but they simply don’t know what they are talking about. Most people in the industry understand that while it will change our job it cannot replace it. AI generated code is only as good as it’s input and tbh command line tools already autogenerate so much shit, humans are required for complex feature dev

[slatyb]

@Shamalien Precisely. Every advance in technology has made the best developers more valuable. Mid-level developers today at leading companies are earning $200K+.

[MrOracle]

As a rule, the top performers in any industry will be fine. But in any office, there is a lot of paper-pushing, middle-management, and entry-to-mid-level jobs where a lot of people spend most of their day on busy work, drinking Starbucks, and surfing the web. Those jobs will be cut.

HR and related jobs will be slashed heavily. Low and mid-level accounting jobs will be done.

All of these account for a TON of jobs - well over half in an average office.

For most people, if your job doesn't contribute directly to the bottom line, it's probably going to get cut.

[KlinkyCoder]

What does the last part about the job contributing to the direct bottom line mean?

There is the problem that you need more education prerequisites for a lot of jobs than say a few decades ago, this only exacerbates things.

[MrOracle]

@KlinkyCoder "What does the last part about the job contributing to the direct bottom line mean?"

It means: can you prove, with some kind of provable numbers, that you being on the team makes the company money, or saves the company money - and more than others on your team?

If you are not a net financial gain to your company, your job is at risk, and likewise, even if you are a net financial gain, but others on your team are a bigger gain, your job is at risk. When things get tight, it's always going to come down to "who makes us the most money/saves us the most money/costs us the least." Robots and AI are going to be cheaper than workers, but not all work can be replaced. A lot of it CAN, though.

[slatyb]

By mid-level, I meant developers who had been hired and promoted once. They are doing work that is not easily automated. If it were easily automated, they would have automated it because that's what programmers do.

[MrOracle]

I understand, but it's also true that the line that separates what an AI can do vs. what requires a human to do is moving, and the speed at which it is moving is increasing. I think there will always need to be human programmers, but I also know that a lot more will be Ai-generated in 3 years than can be done today.

[Shamalien]

“I understand”

That is a very strong statement when it comes to this topic. Agree with what you said about the fat getting trimmed tho

[John_Doesnt]

I saw a guy asking women on the street how much they think their future husband should make and every woman said way over 6 figures. One dumb bimbo even said $500,000 a year. And she wasn't even a super hot 10/10.

[coachTanthony]

Crazy I know

[OlderAndWiser]

I've dated women who were millionaires and I am not. Yes, it happens.

[coachTanthony]

There will always be one off's in life I suppose lol

[msc545]

Did they have inherited money or money from a divorce or money they actually earned? I have dated several women who had a lot of money from their work as musicians and actors. I am ok with that but I won't date women who inherited money or got it in a divorce and that don't work.

[OlderAndWiser]

@msc545 One was from Brazil and her family had money. We did not date very long so I never determined the sources of her fortune. The other woman, who I dated for several months, was from Germany, and she and her husband had formed a manufacturing company and developed it into a successful business. After he died, she sold the business.

[msc545]

Sounds like neither of them earned their money.

[OlderAndWiser]

@msc545 No, I didn't make it clear, but the German woman worked in the business with her husband. She was a good woman, but I eventually discovered still grieving the loss of her husband (ten years previously) and there's no way any guy can compete with a dead man!

[msc545]

oh... ok!

[DubiousIntentions]

How did you even meet a woman who made that much?

[OlderAndWiser]

I met both of them at a Christmas party to which I was invited by a mutual friend. I only had one date with the Brazilian woman because she was looking for someone who was restored and ready to travel with her. The German woman was a much more attractive woman in many ways. Unfortunately, she was still grieving the death of her husband ten years previously and there is no good resolution of that problem for a would-be suitor.

[DubiousIntentions]

10 years seems an awful long time to grieve. But of course that is coming from a person that has never lost anyone close, much less their mate of many years..

[Avicenna]

@DubiousIntentions: Odd is too modest to say this, but he is the kind of man who can consistently get high-status women

[AmandaYVR]

Some will, but majority won't, it appears.

Relational dynamics are changing in dating, but not that much, yet.

[Avicenna]

Some will, most will not

[DizzyDesii]

I have many times before. I dont care how much he makes but I do care that he wants to improve in life. One guy kept getting fired every other month and he never saved up towards his future. He spent every check on fast food and video games/consoles. Huge turnoff. We got to a point of saving for an apartment. I was saving 50%-75% of each check. He was saving 10% of each check and spent the majority of his checks to save up for yet another family cruise (but promised to later makeup for it.) Huge turnoff. He wanted a better car so I tried to buy him one and he got mad and said it made him feel like less of a man. It just really irked me that people care that much about money and who makes more. I just want to help out eachother if need be. But for the most part, i prefer we keep our finances completely separate, never having a joint account, and only paying our share of the bills

[AnusNdaPainus]

And this is why the black community has remained stagnant

[DizzyDesii]

@AnusNdaPainus my boyfriend at the time was not black so what is your point

[AnusNdaPainus]

I was referring to this mindset

[DizzyDesii]

@AnusNdaPainus of wanting to help care for my dude? I wouldn't date someone as irresponsible as him again, but I’ll always want to help with the finances. I can't sit back and let the dude be the sole provider

[AnusNdaPainus]

No having separate finances

[DizzyDesii]

@AnusNdaPainus and thats a black community thing? I know plenty who have joint. I just ain't about that bullshit

[AnusNdaPainus]

You don’t build generational wealth with separate financing especially in 2023

[DizzyDesii]

@AnusNdaPainus We’ll see.

[AnusNdaPainus]

it won’t because you only want separate financing for selfish reasons most likely

[DizzyDesii]

I disagree. But You worry about your finances and i’ll worry about mine.

[AnusNdaPainus]

It’s not about just the finances but the relationship and you’re dating life is most likely a travesty like every other single woman

[AnusNdaPainus]

I meant your not you’re
This dumbass smart ass phone gets on my nerves

[turnpost]

@AnusNdaPainus Your generalizations are the sole cause of your misery and stupidity.

[AnusNdaPainus]

@turnpost generalizations are valid.

[turnpost]

@AnusNdaPainus No there mostly not, mostly curated to a false narrative for profit.

I am nit talking to you bye.

[AnusNdaPainus]

@turnpost do college graduates make more than high school graduates?

[yulbsari]

@AnusNdaPainus I'm Black and been married twice before. I was a dumbass for not having separate finances. If I ever get married again, I am getting a prenuptial agreement too!

[turnpost]

@yulbsari So your assuming third divorce. Maybe you should re analyze the women or men your allowing to get into your life. Chose healthier habits and work on yourself and reflect.

[AnusNdaPainus]

@yulbsari no you were a dumbass for picking the wrong woman

[DizzyDesii]

@yulbsari I agree, I’d also get a prenup even though I’d prefer to never divorce.

@AnusNdaPainus @turnpost
Can you guys please stop blowing up my notifs. We all clearly dont agree with each others point of view. We’re done here

[AnusNdaPainus]

Fine cus I know that’s super annoying
But just for the record we can disagree and still talk about it conversations shouldn’t be cut off just because the two parties disagree

[DizzyDesii]

@AnusNdaPainus but y'all having a convo with eachother at this point. I spoke my piece earlier. I just prefer y'all take it to one of yalls opinion comments below so that my notifs dont keep going off

[AnusNdaPainus]

Yeah I know it’s super annoying like I said

[BoopBoopBeep]

I've dated women in the past who make more than me. There comes a point where how much more you have than $X just doesn't change a whole lot. I don't need her income she doen't need mine, we're both above $X, so who makes more than whom isn't more than "fun fact" really.

I took 8 months off to work on the house and relax after a long deployment. Not sure if my then S. O. made more than me that year or not. I've never really had anything but somewhat shallow conversations about how much they've made over the years. Far more important to me is that you spend less than you make, WHATEVER that is. I know a GREAT many poor 6-figure earners and I know some people making $50k work for a family who are living quite comfortably.

[coachTanthony]

True. They could make 100k and be broke.

[BoopBoopBeep]

After the update, yeah I made about 60-80k less than one of thm

[Miristheiss]

Back in the day, women just wanted their guy to have a good, stable job.

I read that a lot of women today, as they are working and they are making more money... still want the guy to make more. So even if she makes good enough money to be "independent" and to not "need a man" ... she still will shrink and shrink their potential dating pool by only wanting men that make more than her so as she makes more... she is willing to date fewer and fewer men because their salary has to go up and up.

[CaptainOverthink]

I think so yes.
I think hypergamy is generally real, but I think people miss the point about status.
Status is not just money and suits and cars.
Status requires no money, really.
- You can have high status in a smaller group of people just for the way you treat your friends, that can tip it all in your favor.
- You can have infamous status and radiate attraction just for being fearsome. It won't work on just anyone, sure, but still, in the right crowd it will.
- You can just be really good at something that makes people give you attention, then you'll have status.

But in the end status is mostly a superficial thing, you still have to have personality and grit to keep whoever gives you a chance.

[zeitgeist057]

Absolutely. I don’t know about wealthy men, but many wealthy women don’t care that much about money, they just see it as a tool to enjoy life. When they find a man to enjoy life with, they don’t care a lot about treating him with their money. Of course, if it’s a real mooch situation, smart women who know how to handle money might start to get turned off by being used.

I know one specific example though of a woman from “old money” who had a man who mooched off her and she didn’t actually know a lot about finances so he started to control her finances and “helped” her lose a lot of money. She was being used and it was terrible, but she couldn’t seem to make a boundary with him or get rid of him.

[EricSummer]

Yes, here in Geneva, Switzerland, this happens. It is still not as common as it could be, but the trend is there.

Recently, I had two dates with a high-powered female manager who I think earns more than I do. In the end she got back together with her ex, but it was not a matter of earnings, I'm sure. Anyway, she had been with him since college so they did not even have jobs back then.

This was before I met my girlfriend. She does not make more than I do, but a breakthrough may still happen. I do not think she would dump me then.

I also know a female senior manager of a large company who is married to an artist who surely makes nowhere near the money she does. She says they admire each other for what they do. She surely likes his art and the exhibitions and contacts this involves.

[sheikalana]

My partner has a very decent salary but I still make more money than him. In the past this used to be an issue for me but I had to accept that most people won't have a salary like mine. Nowadays I don't have any problem with that because I see that my partner is a very hard working man and career oriented and doesn't take advantage of how much money I make at all.

[BobLouis]

Some guys say that they hate materialism in the west and all they do is work to make money to impress a woman. Which they end up with a material girlfriend. The thing that they claim not like. Then they end up in a divorce or break up. It's better you find someone who likes you for you.

[Alex8736]

One of my least favorite conversations is talking about money where I feel it really is the root of all evil especially when it comes down to things like an inheritance as an example. What I look for is someone who is responsible, self reliant, has a job (unless involuntarily laid off), great personality and a sense of humor. In my experience I have dated women who made more and others who made less but a few friends of mine who were also successful can't even get an SO in a whorehouse with a fistful of $100's because their main obsession is money where no matter how much they have, they are always complaining they don't have enough. I once took a personality test that asked "would you rather be super rich and alone or would you rather scrape by with your needs and be loved"

[Smashingdoozy]

The vast majority of women don't go into a relationship thinking about how much the other person makes. Its more if you're an adult and you're able to sustain your own lifestyle and have savings then that's perfect. Doesn't have to be a lot of money

[Raaj4you]

Where do I find a girl who doesn't care about money?

[Smashingdoozy]

@Raaj4you majority don't as I said

[Raaj4you]

Okay! If you know that kind of girls then introduce me to them. I will speed date and introduce her to my family.

[Billlewis]

Just because he makes less than her doesn't necessarily mean that he doesn't have any money. I earn only a modest income, but I'm a savvy investor and I save money religiously. I do these things to a great extent to make myself more appealing to my potential new owner.

[RavVid]

Not at all likely. Wealthy women want wealthier men is what the evidence shows.

I think it is more to do with a deep seated need for a woman to respect a man rather than the wealth itself. Wealth is just an easy quantitative measure that he is better than her and therefore worthy of her respect.

It is plausible a man is better than her in some way other than wealth. For example humanitarian fields. But I think it will be important to the woman that he is recognized as such.

[HighValue]

From all the real life couples I have known where the woman makes more, she frequently verbally and emotionally abuses the guy. They treat them like a child, are very demanding, get angry and yell at them and insult the guy if he goes anywhere or buys anything (with his own money) without her permission.

From what I have seen, women can't handle being a decent human being if they have the upper hand in anything in a relationship.

[Unit1]

I'm not afraid of being rejected or dumped for me making less money than her. This says more about the girl than me.

Rich men can always come along and try to steal her for all i care. I'm not afraid.

With that being said, yes, women are indeed dating men, who make much less money than her.

[Anonymous]

i've been with my partner for over 6 years. he's always made less than me. he's making closer to my amount now, but still a few thousand less, not by much. some girls just don't care.

[ericclayton]

There are some women who have that hangup but it's not as universal as the invels claim. There are other ways to be a man other than higher income.

[ericclayton]

incels*

[katiesmuff]

I use to date guys who made less than me and our incomes never even became a factor.

[Vegasrunner]

@katiesmuff Where are they now?

[katiesmuff]

@Vegasrunner I have absolutely no idea

[Vegasrunner]

@katiesmuff That's kinda the point.

[katiesmuff]

@Vegasrunner Really! Money had nothing to do with it. We just didn't click and moved on.

[Vegasrunner]

@katiesmuff Thst is certainly a POV but pertaining the question the facts are that a woman that used to date "guys" that made less than her yet, none of those relationships lasted. That is called evidence that in general women dont date men that make less tjan them.