I see on dating apps and real life a lot that women are so happy to shoot out of their league. Women often get options that are better than themselves.
Men hit on much prettier women too, but men have other things to offer like success and personality. Men just care if you’re pretty and nice as a person.
So do women have to lower their standards or raise their standards? Y'all complain when you see women falling for the "bad boys" who are assholes and what not, y'all complain about so many men in prison having loving girlfriends and wives, y'all complain about women letting men treat them like shit...
While simultaneously complaining about women being hypergamous and wanting to date/marry up and care about factors like wealth and status to secure a place for themselves and their families...
Just admit what you're truly mad about is that women have a choice to pick who they want and they aren't picking YOU. Raise your own standards for yourself. Take better care of your own appearance. Improve yourself on your interpersonal skills and deportment. You want to complain about how 80% of women want 20% of men only, but do you see how 80% of women take care of their appearance and put thought and effort into their relationships vs men who walk around looking like they left the house in the same clothes they were sleeping in? Women take care of their hair, nails, skin, reproductive health to such great extent but suddenly when it's noticeable to you then you also get mad about it being vain and deceitful. Again, just fucking admit you're mad that no one is doing it particularly for YOU.
I'm so so so glad that I continue to have my boundaries and raise my standards instead of letting my insecurities get the best of me and settle with dusty men because I felt like I didn't deserve any better. Life has been so much better since I started expecting better treatment and have great friends and a great boyfriend who also takes great care of his own appearance, has excellent disposition and always reminds me that I'm a quality woman who deserves the best because I worked hard to be the person that I am today.
I’ve seen another girl say they thought “lower standards” meant an abusive drug dealer. No. We hoped that would be obvious, but apparently not, because you are still going for the excitement and maybe his looks. When guys tell women to “lower their standards” they mean go for normal guys who are not great looking and don’t have perfect social skills. In other words, slightly mediocre, because we argue that is most men, which is us. Again, this should have been obvious. I think it’s really weird that women looked from the top 1% to the bottom 1%. Murderers, kidnappers, rapists. That’s kind of insane. Of course that’s not what we meant! This also seems like some kind of effort to avoid the men in the middle (most men).
Lowering your standards means don't measure a guy by him bank account, it doesn't mean looking for men of lower character. The number of women worth dating by respectable guys in Western cities is in the minority due to a self-destructive subculture of promiscuity, self-entitlement and gold-digging.
Oh yes, that too especially 👆. Men who are not rich.
"they left the house in the same clothes they were sleeping in": I feel seen <3
@Count_de_Monte_Volo like going for looks is necessarily a bad thing? It absolutely matters to me that the guy I'm with grooms himself. Factors like height or nose size or skin tone don't matter to me but factors like how he dresses, how he smells, how he maintains his hair and beard are absolutely important. I take a lot of care of my own appearance so no freaking way am I seeing for a man who not only puts zero effort in his own appearance but also takes women going the extra mile to look good for them for granted.
@Bl0n6eguy what's wrong about wanting financial security?
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And what’s wrong with wanting a hot guy. At the end of the day we’re the ones that have to push your babies huge HEAD out of us.
So we should be entitled to pick the best genetics if we’re to go through that trouble.
What the ASKER wants to actually do. Is to sit on his ass. Chug Cheetos. Live in grandma’s house. Be basement dwellers. Never see a f-king gym in his sorry life.
While at the same time. He wants women to come to him asking him for his D-K.
THATS EXACTLY WHAT HE AND GUYS LIKE HIM WANT. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@Emyyyy I agree with you, not Cubster. You describe men of low character. The problem I have is women who are in the same position than me or worse (well dressed gym goer, but not necessarily high income) and expecting the world on a platter without having to support anyone emotionally or have children.
I'm the one with natural blonde hair and a 28 inch waist; if they're not on par yet expecting better without having to invest anything, they're not worth it.
@Count_de_Monte_Volo I will never settle for a man I am not attracted to not now not ever. My first boyfriend from age 15-24 was very very good looking. He was involved in drugs and stuff when he was younger and it was a toxic and volatile relationship at some points but I found him attractive and was happy. You can’t tell a woman to go for a man she’s not even attracted to.
@Sarahr123 I only say these things in response to the women asking “where are all the good men?” I agree you shouldn’t have to compromise. Nobody should have to. But in reality we have to either compromise or not get anything. Women ask where are the good men. The 7s and 8s and below are good men (not all of them of course). But I fear men and women have a different interpretation of simple essential words like “good” and “emotional.”
Also there’s 2 things I don’t like about women telling men to “just” level up. It is very hard. Maybe it looks easy on tv. In reality it is so hard and a lot of men trying their best for decades cannot level up. Not only is it hard, but I don’t appreciate how unempathetic some women are. If I level up (which I see as extremely challenging), is that woman going to understand and appreciate the work it took to level up? Probably not. So even if I do level up to attract girls it will be partly in vain. Women see it as a standard but men see it as exceptional. That disconnect alone will inherently cause conflict between the sexes, and that is what we see happening. I might even say that it’s an entitled, privileged and ignorant thing to say “just level up.” This is where men argue women should aim lower if they complain about the selection of potential mates.
Of course males have their own entitlement issues imposed on women but we aren’t talking about that now.
If you complain about there not being any faithful 9s or 10s, we point to the 7s and 8s. It is very simple. If you don’t want them then ok, that’s your choice. But we don’t like the complaints of a choice you made and conflating it with many other unrelated issues.
@Bl0n6eguy "The problem I have is women who are in the same position than me or worse (well dressed gym goer, but not necessarily high income) and expecting the world on a platter without having to support anyone emotionally or have children."
Where the hell did you hear me say that women shouldn't have to offer anything in a relationship? Forget boyfriend, I even provide emotional support to a stranger if they need it. I'm a college student and the guy I'm with is also a college student, we're both on the same page financially so it's not like I'm expecting him to be able to provide something grand, but it doesn't mean that I'll settle for cheapskates.
@CubsterShura in my experience, you're the exception, not the rule. It seems the majority of women my age and younger only desire wealthy men to fund their materialistic dream lifestyle, and no matter how attractive a guy me be in personality and looks, he's not worth their time if he can't pay for them as an entry requirement. I just came from a thread saying how women should be able to be gold diggers if men are beauty seekers - In my experience, beauty is far far easier to personally achieve that accruing wealth.
@Count_de_Monte_Volo I think rating people 7,8,9,10 is kind of pointless because we all have our own tastes. I posted a man I thought was a 12 the other day and people on here rated him 3s and 4s. It’s all in the eye of the beholder. I just want a loyal, exclusive, very private, reserved person. They don’t have to be rich but they should be traditional and okay with if I want to be a housewife after I have children.
@Bl0n6eguy majority of women? From all the girls that I hang out with literally NO ONE expects a billionaire to just fund for their lives while they do nothing. The only friend of mine who is perhaps the most serious about finding a wealthier man is a few years older than me, preparing for med school and makes plenty of money working several jobs herself and drives an expensive car, so it is natural that being this financially independent and established she wants someone of that level too.
Sure, we all JOKE about finding sugar daddies. I live in a town with some wealthy vacation houses owned by rich people and sometimes when we drive by them we make jokes like "imagine you walk by this area and a billionaire falls in love", my boyfriend and I regularly go for long drives and I always make such jokes around him as well. None of us are being serious.
Most women reasonably want men who spend generously on them within their means. In many cultures around the world, spending more money is a love language from men's side. Sure some girls may be more unreasonable with how they approach this concept, but it's nowhere near majority like you suggest.
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Exactly, and if he takes me to a mediocre place and spends wayy less than the average, his looks have to then compensate for the lack of resources.
At the end of the day. Women biologically are made to be homemakers and caretakers because we are the ones who birth and breastfeed and caretake for the rest of the child’s life.
It all comes down to “beggars can’t be choosers.” The question is which one are we individually? Only one way to find out and that’s the hard way.
@Sarahr123 that’s sort of what I mean. Give men a chance that YOU see as 7s and 8s. Trying to find a man that has everything you want and nothing you don’t want (whatever that may be) is going to lower your chances. Aiming lower is practical advice given to women who complain about there not being enough “good men.” We don’t like it when women complain about this, but they will anyways.
Also I see a disparity here. Men try to level up and can’t. That is effort on men’s part. But women don’t seem to lower their standards, which Technicaly doesn’t require effort (at least not like leveling up). Men even lower their own standards in addition to trying to level up. I think men feel they did their part to meet halfway and feel that women are not doing anything to meet halfway in the form of being open-minded. I don’t really care anymore personally, I’m just explaining my observations and theories to hopefully establish a mutual understanding.
Also I am aware aiming lower can backfire into unpleasant universally unacceptable results. But it will give you more selection.
Here’s a point: If it was possible for every/most men to level up don’t you think they have done that already? Most men want to be rich and good looking and be cool and even commit suicide because they can’t after they tried for years and years. They are trying. This crisis could be solved if women lowered their standards. Men have done all they could. Arguably, women generally have not. I heard Billie Eilish say she did by giving a “nice guy” a chance and he transformed into a jerk. I get that.
I think another problem is women don’t seem to deny that some women have ridiculous standards. Like the ones on talk shows (there’s plenty on tiktok though). That looks like denial of or agreement to the ridiculous standards. I’m pretty sure this is not the case though. People aren’t being specific who they mean and what they mean and it’s causing confusion and conflict.
@Count_de_Monte_Volo I think women focus too much on ridiculous women that they forget there are plenty of good, reasonable women in the world. My preference is men with a medium olive complexion with dark hair and dark eyes, a sharp nose and strong jawline. Someone taller than me (I’m 5’7) and someone who is not overweight- my measurements are 32DD-23-34 so I don’t think I am unreasonable. I look a lot younger than my age so much that most parents of under 14s think I am their kids age and kids are always asking me what year I am in at school. My mother has always been harsh on me MUCH harsher than she was on my brother - she bubble wrapped my brother and was very tough with me. She told me I would amount to nothing and nobody would marry me unless I stayed thin, looked perfect, became financially independent and forced me to pursue a BSc. I think my standards are in the gutter for how much I offer. I’m a complete simp when I like someone and would do anything for them and it’s unfair on me because I don’t think many exist who can match my dedication, loyalty and kindness and I didn’t even realise that until recently.
I do think that it would be unfair for me to be with a man who’s physical preference is not what I look like so I would not be with a man I don’t find attractive because I don’t want to look at other men who I do prefer and think “wow he’s so hot.” I prefer to be obsessed with whom I am with and they should also be completely satisfied with me. I think nobody should feel like they settled for their spouse. I would rather not be with anyone at all than be someones second or third choice or that they’re only with me because they had to compromise out of fear of being alone. I don’t deserve that and I don’t think anybody should think they deserve that. The person should have eyes for you and you only and they should be completely crazy about you.
@Count_de_Monte_Volo you forget there are more than one ways to "level up". If you can't get riches, go for charm and status. If you can't get either of those, go for physical appeal. There are plenty of ways to make yourself attractive and its not all about getting in the rat race and becoming a $23M/year CEO. I pulled so much just living in a little tight knit community in a beach town with lots of new women arriving all the time. The long and the short of it was because I was liked and respected in the community, many women arriving saw how other people treated me, and it gave me a "status", so they found me more attractive based on public opinion. I mean, I was also kind and charming with them as I was with anyone else. It's not really that hard to do if you just figure out what makes you happy, you are more likely to make other people happy and share that joy. So back to the "level up" conversation, what's a better "level up" than finding your own happiness? Your happiness WITHOUT a woman is going to attract LOTS of women (as long as it's public and not some happiness found in your parent's basement).
@Emyyyy "At the end of the day. Women biologically are made to be homemakers and caretakers because we are the ones who birth and breastfeed and caretake for the rest of the child’s life."
Yet the same women whom only seek a man for his money do not want to have children. They wanted to be childless pampered feminists reaping the rewards of their male servant's income. I'm not talking about those that joke, there's a sizable amount that are un-ironic, especially in places like London.
A higher revenue stream isn't accessable to me yet, yet the only women whom take interest in me are the horse-rider types and women coming from wealthy families expecting princess treatment.
@Sarahr123 The fact that you are with or were with a drug addict tells us all we need to do, you are to be avoided. And you sound unstable in your ranting. This guy has really triggered you women hasn't he
@Sarahr123 lol you claim to have been happy in a toxic and volatile relationship.
@OlderAndWiser help!
I think women should have realistic standards but I don’t think that lowering them is necessarily the answer. Everybody has different standards for what they look for in a partner because we have different values. Whatever your values are should be what you want in a partner. If you value integrity you shouldn’t date a man who shows you that he LACKS integrity. If your values are to have freedom you should be with a man or woman who isn’t controlling. So lowering your standards in these situations where your not getting what you want won't help you to get what you want-ever. Now if you value these things and you meet a man who possesses these qualities but who isn’t the height you want in a man then lowering your standards in this instance will essentially get you what you want out of life even though you won’t have your preference you will have your needs met. One thing men need to consider though that a lot of men can’t seem to grasp is you cannot tell another person what they should value or what they should want out of life. additionally (and this goes for men and women) you cannot conjure it up in your mind that just because you are a great person that you will meet someone else’s needs/values. If your values clash then no amount of being a good person will keep that relationship from feeling like a chore to be in. So you need to find someone who you respect and whose beliefs you can agree with.
There's no need for women to lower their standards. The most attractive and highly sought after men have enough sperm to impregnate all of them. One teaspoon has over 100K sperm in it, that's plenty to go around.
Men need to do better if they want to be competitive, otherwise stop whinging and just come to grips with reality. That's who really needs to be more realistic.
If women really need to lower their standards, then they will. But honestly, I think women don't actually have that high of standards. They are suckers for a guy who spends time with them, listens, takes care of them and gives them encouragement and show they care in little ways. It's really not that hard for most guys to do that sort of thing. Women sometimes care about looks, but they care a lot less than most men do. Men have it really easy, tbh. Women are not that tough, though some talk tough. Most are sweethearts who just need the right kind of attention and support to blossom into happy, loving, and generous angels.
A lot of women think that because they can get fucked by certain caliber of man that they also qualify for a relationship with these men. This combined with feminism, social media, and thirsty pathetic simps boosting their egos leads to plain or even fat women becoming incredibly entitled. Ladies, just because you can fuck a rich guy doesn't mean you qualify to marry one. Most of you will have to lower your standards or die alone. Honestly most of you deserve to die alone anyway, I just feel bad for the men who in previous generations would have been able to marry and have families who are now alone. Feminism can't die soon enough, I would even take Sharia law over the disaster we currently have.
Shariah law says men have to probide for their wives and that your money is her money and her money (if she chooses to work) is also her money. Not a single penny of her money is spent on the household costs.
In Islam a woman is also entitled to choose a man she is attracted to so all the redpill men telling women to go for men who they’re not attracted to like who gave them that entitlement? A pretty woman should be with a pretty man.
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That's up to them. At the end of the day, what's going to happen if they aren't realistic? Either they will be involuntarily single for a really long time, or they'll be fucked and chucked by guys who know they can get away with it.
I don’t agree. I think we should be with our equals.
My dad says that a boy should be with a girl who earns less than him and grew up in a family less wealthy than him as she will always be satisfied with whatever he gifts her because it’s within his means whereas a girl from a wealthy who grew up with luxuries won’t be satisfied with what a middle class man can give her. So his rule is that girls should marry a man who earns a bit more than her and grew up a bit better off and a man should marry a girl who earns less and grew up less rich than him.
Also, as far as looks are concerned. It would look RIDICULOUS and it always look ridiculous when a youthful looking very pretty girl is with a man who looks like a middle-aged dad with a dad belly and all that. The best looking couples are couples who kind of look alike. I am always attracted to men who have similar facial features as me. I am thin hourglass so I don’t go after someone who is overweight.
People should be with people who are like them. When you see a 6’2 man with a girl who is below his shoulders it looks weird right? Because the perfect height difference is when the woman is upto a man’s earlobe level when they’re barefoot. So a 5’7 -ish woman is perfect for a 6’2 man. Thin men and women look good together whereas a chubby woman with a thin man looks mismatched and vice-versa.
Yes, a man may have success to provide but even if a CEO of a big company proposed to me I would not marry him if I wasn’t at least somewhat attracted to him and we look good together. If he is 38 and looks 38, in decent shape and has similar features to me then yeah we’re good to go but if he is 38 and looks like a 47-year-old dad and is overweight and looks mismatched with me then I will say no. I don’t care if the guy is still 30 and hasn’t made it solid in his career yet. The main thing is physical attraction because if I am not attracted I won’t wanna sleep with him and if your sex life sucks you won’t last long AT ALL.
‼️Women don't have to accept anyone or anything at any age or any point in time.‼️
We’re the ones who have to push your baby’s HUGE HEAD out of us. Risking so much from having 1 baby. So we naturally, instinctively choose the most fit, most strong men, out of the option Pool.
We ARE NOT gonna choose someone old and wrinkly because our baby could have defects. We ARE NOT gonna choose a skinny, scrawny, flimsy, weakling. Because he will produce low quality offspring. And the offspring won’t be strong with good genetics. Not only that, but a weak male of no muscles will get me and my babies killed if there’s a fight. He cannot physically protect himself or his family. This is why if a woman ever sees a Strong Alpha Male. Since he is rare. She will sleep with him instinctively and cheat on her physically-weak man.
All females of all species always choose the strongest male. All females.
This is hard-wired in the female of all species. Women care about his looks. Not the other way around. I DONT KNOW WHO TF LIED TO YOU. This is why “PHYSICALLY AVERAGE GUYS” finish last.
Women mate with the most sexually demographic male. If you're not a Chad and constantly working to be one. THATS YOUR FAULT. Women don't have to accept anyone or anything. 🖕
https://www.youtube.com/embed/LISBBUrPSsE Usually, attractive men and attractive women choose each other. Or rich men and attractive women choose each other.
The average ones choose each other.
If a man who isn’t attractive and not rich, looks for a beautiful lady would be seen as unrealistic.
If a woman who isn’t attractive, looks for an attractive and rich man, that’s unattractive.
If a woman can’t find a boyfriend, she needs to do some self reflection, is their attractiveness enough for them to get an attractive and rich man?
If a man can’t find a girlfriend, he needs to do some self reflection, is their ability enough to get an attractive woman?
A woman who isn’t that attractive shouldn’t have much expectation when it comes to looks and wealth of men.
A man who isn’t attractive nor rich shouldn’t expect a hot/attractive woman to like them.
In the end, we all need to know and recognise our level of attractiveness and ability and find someone who is equal to our level of attractiveness and ability.
I think boys your age been to cowboy up, stop blaming other people when things aren't handed to them, get rid if their sense of entitlement, and learn from the older men, who we never hear complain about women having high standards.
Biologically we are looking for a man who can provide for us and our offspring. We have a limited amount of time to have babies, we know it. For at least 3 months before and 3 months after, we can't work, you will have to be the sole provider. After that, 2 people will have to provide for 3, and that 3rd isn't cheap, so you could say 3.5... and we want the best for our babies, so let's say 4... God forbid one of us loses their job, we need a nest egg, need one anyway for family stuff... so 4.5...
We would many times be restarting our career after being gone having babies, so we expect to earn less, let's say 1.5. Can you make it on 1/3rd of your income? Your older (30s) counterparts can. They have put the effort into being able to provide, so they get the pussy they earned. Earn it if you want it.
@msc545 yeah, but you get what you pay for
The problem with your argument is hoeflation meaning our grandfathers could work at a factory or farm and still get a woman who was fit, feminine, and a virgin who knew how to cook and clean. They also got married young and built with a young man. Now most women are fat, many are baby mommas, and very few are virgins. Despite this most of them still demand a man who is six foot making six figures. You offer men nothing but well-used pussy while asking for the world. It doesn't work that way and many of you will either die homeless or be eaten by their cats.
@DextroShade none of my friends care how tall you are, but theybdo want a guy with a job, a home, and a way to get from. one to another without relying on their friends or parents. They want a man who will take responsibility for their own lives rather than blame their shortcomings on the fact they aren't 6' or that they don't have letters behind their name.
Not at all. Let them. I personally don't want them in my presence, and wouldn't help 1 now if I had a loaded gun to my head, cocked. Apparently they seem to walk around with their eyes and ears shut. There are MILLIONS of cougars-many of them the mom's of these same females-who are now SO NICE to guys. I notice it constantly. You know why that is? Because they used to do what their daughters did 25 years ago, and they know where it got them. Problem is, free agents don't want to sign with a team at the bottom of the league or located in a shitty city😏. Many of their daughters don't seem to notice. There was 1 time I was walking by a public park, and I heard some loud screaming coming from a probably young female voice. I didn't know what was going on, and it was obvious she needed help. But I've been shit on by WAAAAAAAY too many females who cried wolf, or whom were just flat out predators themselves. So now they're dead to me. I got home that night, turned on the news. Turns out, the screaming I'd heard was that of a 17 year old girl getting raped in the bathroom of that public park by a homeless man. Know what they've told me in the past? Man up! Tough luck! So... that was my response to her plight... and the rest that end up like that. Tough luck.😊It's better to have allies than enemies, but they don't know how to make allies now, or how to treat them when they do have them. Payback is a MOTHERFU**ER.😈
If you had intervened they probably would have charged you for assaulting the homeless rapist, just look at what happened to Daniel Penny. You stupid leftist cunts got the society you asked for.
Yes, they have. Matter of fact, about the ONLY guys I notice that are paying attention to them at all, are guys like this ex con douchebag I saw in Texas... about 25 years old, at a rec center I frequented... Black dude, from Houston, sloppy idiot... one day outside the center, he was standing outside and some girl was coming in, walking by him. I was coming out. As she passed him, in his slow ghetto accent, he loudly proclaims, "Yeah, show me dat white ass, ho!" These are the guys who think they're a prize now, so they can enjoy them. I know a lot more who travel overseas 6 mos a year and only date women where they travel. Those are the educated guys with no kids out of wedlock or felony record. My own brother is 1 of them. A West Point grad. Married with 3 daughters. His wife? A South Korean native, they met when he was in the DMZ.
What the actual hell is wrong with you? As someone who’s family member has was sexually assaulted, heart breaks at the fact that this is your fucking response to being rejected and isn’t something you should be fucking proud of.
I mean, imagine if that was your sister/daughter/mother/grandmother and someone was saying this about them? And if you respond with anything like “pAy BaCk iS a MoThErFuCkeR” you’re a sick human being and I hope to God that you never have any kids at all.
@thatshydork men will still risk it for our family members but some bitch I don't know who isn't fucking me is on her own and it will stay that way until you stop shitting on men. When I stop hearing things like "toxic masculinity", "men are trash", #killallmen, "I don't need no man" I may reevaluate.
Most men hve nothing to offer what so ever. Most men are not successful and most men have very average at best personalities. They do nothing that improves a woman life. They create more housework and don’t do their share of it, they don’t provide financially because they’re too cheap and broke, they nag for sex, they’re not romantic, they don’t even get their women gifts for birthdays or Christmas. They don’t even have good looks to fall back on. And to top it all of they have the audacity and think they’re a prize because they’re so awesome. So no. Women don’t need to lower their standards. If anything they need to raise them and hold men accountable and increase their expectations and stop dating low life bum men, which are most men.
Some may be true but I don’t think so at all. Most of you chicks expect men to be multi millionaires at 20. You consume too much social media and wonder why the real world is so much different to expectations.
@Mallic00 i is what it is , men aren't going to be attracted to ugly/fat women and women aren't going to be attracted to broke losers , women are attracted to masculine men (successful men)
@Mallic00 and it's not just about looks , but ofc , u wouldn't date an ugly woman , Im tslking here about the initial attraction , ofc in the long term it' not about looks or money , and calling me a naive child won't make my answer any less wrong
@DextroShade it’s not a number. It’s how good he is with it. I don’t want someone who makes 6 figures and blows it.
@DextroShade does he have a retirement fund, can he support me staying home with our kids, does he get benefits? All of these are more important than the number.
But in general, no. If I’m of childbearing age and can have his child at any time (accidents happen) then he needs the money to support him, me, and said child and I’m going to say he’s barely supporting himself on 30k a year. That sounds like entry level, no skills, no benefits, no retirement, no savings, living paycheck to paycheck. I would think he would be better served getting further education and focusing on himself than dating.
@DextroShade again, it isn’t necessarily specific. I already stated what is more important about the salary. I’ve dated guys who have made 50k-2mil a year. Some were shit with their money and others good with it.
@DextroShade oh, and there is want really a minimum either. I’ve dated a man who frequently had no job and no income and I supported him.
Honestly what I got from your take is that you don’t have success with women on apps lol. If you’re a guy and you have *insert flaw here* you can compensate for it in other ways. Make sure you’re taking care of yourself (good personal hygiene, exercise, etc), work on being financially stable to having a good career, throw yourself into your hobbies, build your social circle etc. The same holds true if you are a less attractive girl. You have to make sure you’re taking care of yourself, have a great personality, work on being at least financially stable, hobbies, good social circle, etc. You already have more against you so you have to take good care of the things that are in your control
Whenever it comes to apps I feel like guys in general swipe on every girl they see and then pick later from who they match with, where girls get bombarded with messages and have to filter through. It just is what it is
No. The more dumb feminists and femcels kept out of the gene pool, the better. They can dream about Prince Charming while getting wine drunk with their 3 cats.
Let them die miserable alone because she refuses to submit and obey and no man wants her blown out vag she got from "finding herself" in her twenties.
It's a self-correcting problem. Submissive women with morals and self-esteem who saved themselves for marriage and pop out 6+ kids will inherit the other while these disgusting boss bitches cry themselves to sleep.
Again while that is up to each individual woman, it is a pretty big social tendency and I would recommend that this becomes socially encouraged. It's insane how a hypothetical woman who is only 5'1 mostly wants a man that is only 6', yet I think it is a frequent trope. Social media and the way dating apps work has only made that worse.
While each woman would have their own preferences and standards, it's hard not to feel cynical or frustrated when 99/100 asks you get a no from women or no reply on apps, and many of them then turn around and complain to society that men are more shallow.
What’s being socially encouraged is women higher their standards as it’s too damn low. Keep crying
I disagree, men just need to raise their standards. If the girl likes tall guys for example, let her do that. She is filtering out tons of guys. Despite what men say about “all women can get a guy easily”, it isn't true. That only is valid when the girl is good looking. Same thing for guys.
Being good looking matters a lot and guys delude themselves into thinking they need ”status and game and money”. Both genders are mainly driven by physical attraction.
And before you say “but guys only look at looks and not personality, but girls look both at looks and personality”, that’s on you. Maybe raise standards.
our image pictured by many women right now is “would fuck anything with a pussy”. I dont blame them. I also firmly believe some women have broken that stereotype with a few guys which i respect them for.
That's upto them, but they shouldn't complain if they can't find anyone good enough.
The least some of them can do is stop bitching about men having standards, because men tend to be more realistic, but nah, if we don't want to one's with high body counts or single mothers, it's because we're ugly or low quality.
I think a lot of people are doing the opposite of what God intended for humanity and this leads to problems. But they claim it is "freedom" or "fat acceptance" and other labels to make themselves feel good about doing stupid self-destructive things.
just a few generalizations here. goodness
everyone should be realistic but it's up to a person to set their standards and not really for me to tell them what their standards ought to be.
it sounds to me like you are frustrated with dating, or perhaps lack of it, and it's informing your views on women as a whole. don't let that happen. when a person becomes jaded in dating it shows (whether they know it or not)
I kinda disagree. Women should probably lower their standard for physical appearance as long as the guys hygienic and income (if they're unreasonable). But don't lower your standard regarding morals, future plans, life styles, etc
Women can sleep with just about anyone they want. Getting a man to stick around is another thing. People confuse these 2 things. Women can raise their standards for sex. Most do. However they’ve also been sold this lie that they are the prize by the media. They’re not. They’re regular people. Most women are average anyways. The only reason men do extra is for sex. That’s why most women can’t get a man to stay. If women were more realistic with their standards and matched their “level” of a person, so to speak they’d get hurt way less often.
The standards of women are already too low, and reading some male comments on here clearly proves why most of these men will probably remain single and bitter forever. They are simply clueless about what most women want.
Karen
You are going to die alone.
@DextroShade we all are haha, but I will die in peace
@Fromdusktilldawn I wasn't talking to you.
@DextroShade she said single, bitter, and clueless about women so you took it personally, is that it?
@GrantArmstrong none of those apply to me, so no.
of course all women gang up together and say no
modern women became so greedy and self entitled, they only want the best of the best and then still cheat on them. The double standards are crazy and the dating scene is just ridiculous. They want a 6 foot guy who is a millionaire, drives a lambo, is mysterious, who is ok with her to sleep with other dudes, pays her for the hour to stay with him and expects a regular trip to the maledives or on the titanic in first class
You don't think women have success and personality to offer too?
Oh, boy, you have a problem 😱
No wonder you think we should lower our standards.
Your success doesn't make you more attractive to us (you don't see dudes lining up to date Oprah) and the personality traits that it takes to be successful are unattractive to men.
Your standards will keep you alone, much like a guy who works fries at McDonald's thinking he deserves a virgin supermodel and refusing to settle for less.
That's really good, but I don't think the standards you had when you met your husband decades ago are anything like the insane delusional entitlement we see from single women today.
Men that have a lot to offer expect more than a woman being pretty and nice if they're going to spend more than a couple night in the sack with her. The more you offer, the higher your standards usually are as a man.
I don't think it matters. Historically, society's lead by women fail. Consequences solve everything. The 80 / 20 rule dictates that eventually the majority of men lose all reason to invest as they're percieved as worthless. Learn from history or be ruled by it.
Women have a lot more men to choose from. Men have fewer women, and women can pretty much afford to wait a bit longer to find a taller better looking wealthier man. Also, women rely on divorce as a way of moving on to a better man, while men don't plan out divorces ahead of time. For most women divorces revenue positive and for virtually all men divorces revenue negative.
Women and men need to be aware of what characteristics in a partner matter to THEM, and then seek those out. Be careful not to assume that because a characteristic matters to other people it matters to you.
For me, as long as you are a gentleman and you treat me good, then that's good enough. In the long run, I would stay with a nice, kind man than a handsome guy.
I think women should do what they like, so to speak. If she wants to lower her standards then lower her standards. If she refuses to lower her standards, then don't. But if you're unwilling to lower your standards then stop b****ing about your options! She's the one who chose to make her options small. That ain't guys fault, it's hers.
Of course they do.
But we men need to stop making them feel that way as well. Men need to raise their standards and stop simping around just for pussy points
From what I've seen no. But they need to be realistic with the lack if training most men receive and immaturity and realize the work to maintain a good relationship. True of men as well
I think a lot of women go for what they can get. Period. If by chance they get lucky and they bag an 8, they'll obviously go for it.
The bar for men is literally 6 feet under at this point. If it gets any lower, the bar for men will be saying hi to Satan in Hell.
"Men just care if you’re pretty and nice as a person."
Shallow losers, maybe. I think I've identified the key to your lack of success and it's not your lack of success...
In everything you should aim high. They'll find out quick enough if their target man thinks of them as relationship material or just short term fun
No one should lower their standards. Should you assess whether your standards are reasonable? Absolutely.
No if anything they need to have higher standards
Nah men always shoot out of their league too even if they have nothing. You see homely men hitting on hot chicks all the time.
Yes, we need to.
But men are much much more demanding about female looks…
True. But some men like really specific kinds of personalities
No, let women live their delusional lives. Most women live in a complete fantasy from cradle to grave (enabled by men), and I don't expect this to change.
life is short. we have a God lookinh after us. do not settle
I Agree, Women have created the Dating Market and they are still getting Cheated on etc.
https://youtu.be/NXbvb_74_-Y
Funny how women think they don't need to lower their standards but are always telling men to
No we don't need to lower our standards and we are realistic. Are standards are based on our experiences.
I don't know are my standards too high then?
Nope. That's all reasonable enough and common enough. You should be able to find plenty of guys that meet those parameters, that are interested in you. I mean, assuming you're not physically hideous and you're accurate in your own self-description.
That video posted above you has a lot of good points. You'll have no problem finding a man who is at the same level you are. If you're having trouble, then that's an indicator you're not at the level you thought you were at.
@zeitgeist057 thank you!
And what video... I can't find any?🤔
You should try out the female delusion calculator:
igotstandardsbro. com
@DextroShade i did i got 41% likelyhood in US alone.. so I guess its okay? It asked me to excude marrige or not? Who the hell wants to date a married man.. like im some kind of worthless whore lol
the video I don't know if it it was this exact one but had the same people in it, might be just a shortened clip from Fresh and Fit: https://youtu.be/4Ip197U5gUs
@zeitgeist057 im not gonna take anything from those clowns😂 im an actual religious woman... non of us would go near any of them..
But thanks anyways!
and yeah if you got 41% on the igotstandards site, then you are doing great. I put in my stats (including all men from 20 years old up to two years older than me) and got 0.81% probability. So by comparison, you're not being picky at all really.
@zeitgeist057 :)...0.81... you do realize they count in kids and people over 60...
No, I didn't see what parameters they used for the calculations, I didn't know it was available. Where did you find it?
@zeitgeist057 first part lol... maybe we used different one.. but it only calculates to meet men so you like men?:)
I went to the same website that was listed, but I think you misunderstood; I didn't put in any requirements that I am looking for. I put in my own stats. My height, my income, &c. With the exception that I put anyone from 20 years old to 2 years older than me for age, otherwise of course I know it would be a super small percentage. It wasn't to calculate my chances of meeting a man, it was to calculate what percentage of man is taller, makes more money, &c.
But I also still don't see where it says using children, or women or anything else. I think it's limited to the ages they have listed (18 to 85). I actually just verifed this by setting the parameters to "18 to 85" and everything else to "any", and got 100% probability, which wouldn't be true if they were counting kids (under 18). I think you misunderstood something you read, or some principle of maths.
@zeitgeist057 oh okay then I get it! Is there any calculator made for finding women lol? That must be harder with all angry feminists today lol..
lol maybe they are just angry bc they aren't getting laid enough. But the funniest part is how mad they would get if a man tried to suggest that :P
But really, I don't think a calculator is necessary. Men just need to chill out and take control of themselves; women follow just as easily. It's not attractive to sit and cry about how women should do this or that. It's better to simply work on yourself and when you are healthy and balanced other people see it and are attracted to you because you literally attract good things when you yourself are "good". It's not rocket science or as impossible as all the people on the internet make it out to be. Half the problem is they are spending all this time on the internet rather than out there touching grass.
@zeitgeist057 yup I agree 100%. Complaining is unnatractive. Self discapline is one of the more attractive things a man can have! Glad you aren't as crazy as those men on those podcasts lol
It sounds like you're jealous of those females.
People can have whatever standards they want.
Women need to higher their standards, on average women’s standards are too low.
No they do not
No why would they when they can sleep with gigachad
They're never going to lower them which is fine. But they're never going to find mr perfect and will remain single because of that
frankly i dont give a damn im going overseas where beautiful minds occupy beautiful bodies
Some don't even know how low their standards are. They can use some training
I can agree to being realistic
Do you think they’re too stupid to not do what’s in their best interest?
Bitches be tripping and think they puss will catch more than just a passing dick.
No, anything to flatten the curve of overpopulation
Maybe they’re nice
I agree they need to be realistic.
Some do.
no they don't
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