Do you think dating would be easier for American men if prostitution was legal in the USA?

[DaveJord]

In the dating world, guys do you think you would have more patience and desire to date, if you had access to legal prostitution?

I mean think about it, you could get your fix once or twice a month, then take time to really date and get to know a woman. Because there would be no dependency on women at large for sex, which means that women would have to date on more equal terms.

www.huffpost.com/entry/legal-prostitution-zones-reduce-incidents-of-rape-and_b_58c83be1e4b01d0d473bce8a

www.docs.iza.org/dp9038.pdf

A few years ago, researchers at UCLA and Baylor University made a stunning find: When the Rhode Island legislature inadvertently decriminalized indoor prostitution for a number of years, that state saw a 31 percent decline in reported rapes and a similar decline in cases of gonorrhea.

Dutch study that finds much the same causal relationship between decriminalizing prostitution and reducing crime. Researchers at a public research institute in the Netherlands discovered that when major cities in that country opened areas where street prostitutes could work legally, reports of rape and sexual abuse declined by as much as 30 to 40 percent in the first two years after the zones were opened.

Legalize it!!!

No, people consenting to have sex for money is a crime!

[Hawkes_Lady]

Yes, I believe (and have for a very long time) that prostitution should be legalized, taxed, and regulated. What two or more consenting adults want to do with their own bodies is none of my, my neighbors, or the government's business. I think that prostitution should basically have a menu and price board where you choose your pleasures, the total is tallied up and you pay with a debit card (no more cash under the table, and no paying on credit) and then you get busy.

Absolutely not, I do not think that legalizing prostitution would make dating in any way easier. And I think that your argument for it is ridiculous and insulting to both women and men.

You state above, "you could get your fix once or twice a month, then take time to really date and get to know a woman. Because there would be no dependency on women at large for sex, which means that women would have to date on more equal terms."

Oh, how considerate of you to reduce both men and women to the lowest common denominator of their desires. I mean, who needs meaningful relationships, trust, or emotional connections when we can just schedule our "fix" like clockwork?

Your brilliant solution not only demeans men, implying they're incapable of self-control or genuine dating, but it also reduces women to objects in the equation. Yes, because what women have always dreamed of is being seen as expendable providers of a monthly service. Come on women, let's remember that we must all drop to the floor and spread our legs for the man when we see him walk into the room because he can't possibly control himself or deal with his sexual frustration on his own. We women control the men's dependency on sex, right?

Perhaps, instead of pondering this misguided proposition, we should focus on encouraging open, respectful, and equitable relationships that transcend the shallow concept of dependency and truly embrace the ideals of equality and connection. Just a thought!

[DaveJord]

Well, you are entitled to your opinion. We agree we should legalize it through, right?

[DaveJord]

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[Anonymous]

i do agree with this, guys who know how to talk to girls wouldn't need it, guys who don't but want to date and marry would have more patience, guys who didn't want any of this could have all the sex they want by just paying for it, and girls who wanted it could have the money

[DaveJord]

Finally, some owe that can see past the end of her own nose... thank you I could not have said it better.

[FellowTraveler]

Interesting idea to contemplate. After having lived oversea's (Europe) for 8 years, I seriously doubt that The lower 48 will adopt any sort of 'compromise' in this arena. Afterall our country was founded by Puritans, and frankly we are 247 years young and still have a puritan outlook. ALL the european nations go back thousands of years and have taken a more practical stance.

You want proof - Look at the fountains in Rome, or any other big metropolitan city in Europe. Nudity in public art is a normal everyday thing.

Contrast that to the USA. Lets us say that someone would place a statue of Michelangelo's 'David', or 'Venus de Milo' in a public park. It is my opinion that in no time at all a 'citizen of the moral majority' with bible in hand and a strong pickup truck would pull down the statue.

The perception that something like this would occur is morally reprehensible to a certain segment of our American population, and they vote. Additionally, Americas DOES NOT have the systems, whether public or private to handle this situation. We simply aren't prepared.

[DaveJord]

I would agree with you, but that's because we in America have devolved with the stupid... but it's coming. Gambling, marijuana and prostitution is next trust... freedom loving people want freedom to decide and not be told by idiots what to do.

[Anonymous]

I can totally get it with having a sexual appetite filled, so a person can look at dating from the viewpoint of the woman being a "real person" and not just an object to satisfy a sexual need. I've always been of the opinion that prostitution should be legal but with lots of rules regarding health and safety.

[DaveJord]

Another enlightened mind

[AviatorTom]

Prostitution should be legalize, and managed, but I don't think that would affect dating.

[DaveJord]

I disagree Tom, I lived in Europe for 12 years myself... women are not hung up over sex like American women are... and for guys if they cannot get it they can pay for. It really changes peoples outlook on relationships. Hey, I better treat my man better than just being willing to open my legs one or twice a month... because he can go downtown and get that for half the price.

Legalizing prostitution would actually give men an alternative and empower men to make better relationship choices without the need for sex driving him to bad ends.

[TheSpaceGnome]

No, It would teach people that its ok to think one person has value while the other does not. We don't need that kind of garbage thinking in society. We should go the direction of casting gold diggers out of society, not allowing prostitution.

[FellowTraveler]

@aviator Tom - I have to back what DaveJord wrote as I have experienced myself how legalized and ENDORSED prostitution has totally changed Europe on SO, SO many levels and ways that I can't begin to count. But primarily the female 'power tripping' by means of withholding sex does occur, but NOT to the magnitude that it does in the lower 48. And if you don't believe me regarding the 'withholding', Alfred Kinsey proved it in his first BIG sex study.

@DaveJord - Spot on correct. Sex is more openly discussed and even normal media outlets, such a TV have more 'sex talk' and nudity.

@TheSpaceGnome - While you have a very valid point, societal norms are just as much to blame about valuing one segment over the other. As a Veteran, I see a great deal of compliments for Veterans on broadcast or 'Over the Airwaves' television. But WAY, WAY too may of my fellow brothers and sisters are left to their own devices and can not receive the help they need when they contemplate taking their own lives or end up homeless.

[DaveJord]

@thespacegnome sorry, but I disagree with you on this one. Prositution sets the market value on sex, but women can set the value of their relationships without the sex token in their back pocket.

[Bethany22]

All of the violence is just directed at the prostitutes if prostitution became legal. Prostitutes often feel guilty for reporting abuse during their shift, because they know that they signed up to work in a high risk environment.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Wut?

[DaveJord]

Nope, that's the not result of the studies... Violence against women including prostitutes dropped by 30 %to 40%.

Since it is legal, prostitutes would have to protection of the law, legalizing it makes it safer for everyone and it can be regulated. Prostitutes in Europe still have jobs with all the perks of health care, and protection of the law. No pimps.

[DaveJord]

Actually, in some countries assaulting a prostitute is a felony and not a misdemeanor. And therefore, you have to go to legitimate places of business.

[Avicenna]

It's a good idea, but I think incels would be the ones to benefit most (which is fine).

[lightbulb27]

prostitution is women charging for something they are providing for free when dating. Given most people in our country don't have $500 in the bank, might be a reasonable idea, at least for the females. Our society degraded to where it should be legal, since they are violating the religious laws of waiting til marriage. Just have high standards.

I don't know if it make dating easier... dating is about getting to know yourself and someone else and I don't see that as the key challenge. maybe for young guys or those whom are very lame... getting them over road blocks.

It may even be counter productive to real relationships as it sets up other issues.

I think other cultures do this better... like high cast India... get to know families as kids grow up, assign a bunch of them for your kid to interview, pick spouse, get married, have kids. That makes a lot of sense.

Everything else is a mess designed to reduce population...

[DaveJord]

Sex never comes for free, when dating or otherwise... you know that. Degrade or evolve to place where freedom loving people, can actually make their own choices? Degrade to place where two consenting adults want to have sex together with and exchange of goods and governments stays out of it... degrade or evolve let the people decide for themselves.

Again, it levels the playing field... men are biologically designed the way they were intended to be. So legalizing prostitution empowers men to make better relationship choices when they are not dependent on dating for sex.

Women on the other hand would have to offer more and bring more to the table if they want a relationship with a real man... because if all she has to offer is sex, he can get that downtown.

[lightbulb27]

I think it's just a sign things are screwed up. People will lower the bar down to the bare minimums of biological need.
I don't hold it against people whom are desperate, if it gets them out of a rut. But it's drugs and people can get stuck in the same emotional place, and that's not good. The path to progress is suffering, unfortunately. e. g. if the needs are met, why go through the effort/difficulty required to find a longer standing relationship?
The core issue being, people don't want to change... easier to stay as they are.
I'd rather have women whom help train men so they can find their mate, that might include other services.

[DaveJord]

@lightbulb27 Now we are having a good conversation.. thank you.

Well said, its is very sad that we as a society are degrading to the piont that all we want are basic needs to be meet because we can not find what we really want, and nobody is willing to offer you what you really need.

Its not about being desperate though, sure for some I guess, but thats not a fair statement... men and women essentially have been biologically engineered to want base things... and we can no longer as a soceity come to terms with each other on what those things are... whats important in a relationship and whats not. What we really need verse what we really want.

Thats the problem, if we could go to hooker we might get what we need physically... but emotionally we will not get what we want.

By legalizing it, make it safer and profitable... I mean why do you think OnlyFans does so well? Why is porn so popular... because people want it. Legalize and level the playing field... then dating because about finding the things we want, and not the things we feel we need.

[lightbulb27]

thing is, where do women go to get what the need... emotional support? some women have outsourced that, but that's the issue.
people just need to be crammed into a building and tortured by very mean people dressed in ahlloween costumes until they pick a mate in that building... then they get to leave. that be like WWII... see how fast people fall in love then?
don't know... we have an emotionally screwed up society with seemingly infinite options and less connection and so people are plugging the holes with drugs, fixes, pets, friends (e. g. cat ladies). making the changes to correct is difficult... so they outsourcing everything...
those whom want something have to really up their game and rise above the mess...

[DaveJord]

I do not really beleive anymore that women want emotional support, any more or less than men do. Men have no were to go to get emotional support, and if we can pay for sex then maybe that's all we need. Because if a woman wants a man, she has to offer more than Sex with Bullshit. They can really turn that "need" for emotional support in an argument, when they are not providing it in fair exchange.

[Lionman95]

Making prostitution legal might reduce violence against women in some cases but the premise of those studies is the police guarantees the safety of the prostitutes. I doubt that will make dating easier because the problem of getting to know another person will stay.

[DaveJord]

Legalizing it would empower men to make better dating choices and require women to offer more than just sex.,... because men would no longer be dependent on dating for sex... and women will have to learn to adapted to that.

[Lionman95]

Coming from a country that where prostitution is legal I would say it takes more than legalising prostitution to fulfill your goal and that is to make one night stands and friends with benefits for guys undesirable because as long as those are socially acceptable few guys will pay for sex but instead go date for sex since it´s less of a taboo.

[DaveJord]

You may be right, but we have had centuries of no prostitution in the land of the free... were as its legal in many other Western Countries... so why do we think we know more than they do, when things on our side of the pond have degraded to this point?

[LazerBean]

That heavily implies that a large percentage of men who see prostitutes are closeted rapists. That's interesting, and I actually don't disagree with that. I don't care either way if prostitution gets legalized or not. It will have no impact in the dating world of people who are valuable enough to have a successful marriage.

[DaveJord]

100% right @LazerBean. Lots of productive and healthy relationships get off ramped over sex. And yes, there are a lot of closet rapists. But other than the complete sickos... most of these guys that are constantly being rejected by women, would go get their fix and move on to the next episode.

They put less pressure on the women for sex, and invest more in her as a person, because if all he wanted was sex... he could just go get it some where else. Women also change their prospective on sex and love as well when they realize men are not dependent upon women for sex.

Most men would share their whole life with you over a prostitute. But in the end, prostitutes are cheaper and basic needs are met. So only men that really want, and not need a woman, are seriously willing to invest in one. Women recognize this and are now having to play on even playing field with me. Because most women that just want sex can find it rather easily.

[Anemone978]

Nah plenty of women out there giving out sex for free, guys are still douche bags when it comes to dating.. So I don't see how that would fix anything..

[DaveJord]

Sex never comes for free if you are a man.

[Anemone978]

Well even if they have to pay for a meal or pick her up there are women who fuck them.. but it doesn't change the fact guys are still lying pricks to women who want relationships..
Legalizing it won't change anything.. in my home city we have escorts and hookers.. guys could easily get that because the cops don't care.. but most won't pick a women like that.. they rather lie and offer a relationship to get a "cleaner" women to fuck then ditch them when they get bored, that is how men work.. Seen it on both sides from my friends, friends friends and my sisters friends..

[DaveJord]

@anemone978 well I know plenty of women that would take a free meal without any follow up.

[Exxxpert]

Only young boys who stil live with mommy and daddy date. Men don't date anymore they either hookup for sex usually with women they never met and or hang out with women in unofficial date format. But even hookup up and hanging out is rare. Men are avoiding women in droves now. It's amazing only a few women have admitted this to to the public.

HIGHLY unlikely prostitution will become legal in the foreseeable future.

Prostitution being commonly legal most everywhere has been a dream of at least American men since it became illegal most everywhere in the U. S WAY back in the day. Government NEEDS an always growing population or they will collapse. Governments NEEDS babies because babies become future tax payers to replace one who die hopefully of old age.

[TheSpaceGnome]

No, prostitution isn't dating, and should remain illegal.

Anyone who pays for sex is an idiot.

It takes TWO people to have sex, but only one of them gets paid? Who the fuck thought that nonsense up? 😂

Why does she deserve monetary compensation for getting humped if he doesn't?
(spoiler alert, she doesn't).

Prostitutes are scam artists, they should all be arrested and removed from society.

[TheSpaceGnome]

The only reason your dating life is garbage, is because you focus on sex instead of compatibility.

No worthwhile woman will ever keep a man that thinks that way.

[DaveJord]

This from the man that doesn't date.

[TheSpaceGnome]

When I was in my late teens to early 20s, dating was a thing old farts did. It was a classical romance thing, and it was very superficial, and those people would marry, and then they would fight a lot because through no part of this proccess, did they ever consider mental compatibility (mainly because they viewed men and women in very traditional, stereotyped, opposing ways).

Most ended in divorce/seperation as a result, and as their children, we learned that this method of finding a spouse, is just retarded.

Meanwhile, my generation "dated" their longterm friends instead of "going on dates", dating was a term for "already being a couple but not engaged yet", it wasn't a thing you did together or a place you went, it was a thing you were together, a title, a claim to the person, what have you, and we did not rush into sex.

So I "dated", but "going on dates" is dumb.

We didn't need to go on dates.
It's a thing incompatible people do to try to impress or bribe eachother into getting in eachother's pants, meanwhile smart people are trading in that nonsense for actual meaningful connections where they like the person for who they are and not what they can give them.

Prostitution is old fart logic on roids. And just because gen z is repeating old fart logic, doesn't mean it isn't still retarded.

[DaveJord]

You said...

"It's a thing incompatible people do to try to impress or bribe eachother into getting in eachother's pants, meanwhile smart people are trading in that nonsense for actual meaningful connections where they like the person for who they are and not what they can give them."

I agree with you... so if it was legal we would be more apt to date for compatibility and artificial need. It would level the playing field were men could focus their dating on what's really important... and not sex.

[DaveJord]

And just because gen z is repeating old fart logic, doesn't mean it isn't still retarded.

I am Gen X don't forget it! Some things are just proven facts, that people want to deny.. but old or new facts are facts.

[turnpost]

This would single handedly reduce hate crimes and drug use and boost acceptance and incentive in the work force and boister the economy.

I can't even I totally support this. I wouldn't use it lol.

[Lara_Croft]

RUBBISH! Women and men-they're much easier ways to make money. Your body is sacred and you have only 1 body. Why should you showcase it for the whole world. It is well tho, God is Good. As for guys, the Holy Spirit teaches us self control

[DaveJord]

Awweee... that's sweet.

[Lara_Croft]

Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus

[DaveJord]

I mean you throw Jesus into ever conversation apparently like that is the know and be all... but it's not really relevant.

[Lara_Croft]

If Jesus is Lord of all and everything then he definitely is relevant. WWJD? What would Jesus do and what would he say

[DaveJord]

You have no fucking clue what Jesus would say or do, you are just making assumptions about what you think he would or should do. But me as a man, I am right there you can interact with me and actually find answers.

[Lara_Croft]

Bruh. I have a clue. I talk to and hear from Jesus everyday so yes I know what he would do and say and try to do as he would. I appreciate what you wrote tho, biblical masculinity isn't toxic

[Pohjolan]

Shame on you OP for having that question in the title but the polling answers to something else.

[Apple1996]

Nah most women wouldn't date a man that'd previously seen a hoe so would probably make things more difficult

[Apple1996]

Also it's a huge step back in society to legalize it.
Like men need to grow the fuck up and control themselves. The lack of self control is disgusting and bad for everyone

[DaveJord]

How would the women know?

[DaveJord]

Reducing viloenct against women by 30% to 40% would be a step back... when there women and men out there more than willing to consent to sex with an exchange of money... its just better to lock them up. Because that's what progress looks like to you.

Why make more people free to decide, let's just outlaw it and lock them up... AMERICA!

[Apple1996]

Sex workers don't report violence that often so hard to get real numbers on that

[Apple1996]

Same as porn. That may be legal but still promotes violence towards women in those industries even tho it goes unreported

[Massageman]

No, that wouldn't help - just mess things up more.

[SixFootSexy]

I would unequivocally order a sexbot or doll before I ever let a prostitute touch me... If I got that desperate.

[DaveJord]

But that was not the question... legalizing it doesn't mean you have to do it... but why not allow others to do what they feel is acceptable?

[SixFootSexy]

Something that makes society more decadent and depraved should not be legalized. Vices should not be celebrated. They lead to a nation's corruption and eventual collapse.

[Anonymous]

It would be nice to legalize it but its not necessary. You aren't going to get arrested seeing a prostitute its just hardly ever enforced. Basically the freedom you explain here is already working for men that need sex.

[DaveJord]

But not as safe... its dangerous. Legalizing would make it safer and cleaner for the men and women.

[Unit1]

Pardon me?

[DaveJord]

LOL!!! 😍🤣😂

[jogeb907433]

Paying prostitutes is still just as beta and simps as paying for dates with women, in both cases you are giving your money to parasites.

[DaveJord]

True, but in one way you get what you pay for and what is advertised.

In the other you get a lot of drama, and nothing for the time and money invested.

[msc545]

At least with prostitutes, you get something for your money.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Did you just call women parasites?

[jogeb907433]

There's no way I'm giving my money to a woman.

[jogeb907433]

Yes, I just did it.

[DaveJord]

@jogeb907433 you date or marry a woman, and you giving her money. So, stop lying to yourself.

[msc545]

Grow up.

[jogeb907433]

Hahaha, I won't marry a woman either, that's also beta and simp, unless that woman has a better university degree than me.

[ChefPapiChulo]

Delusional

[msc545]

@jogeb907433 Based on your writings, I would guess that any woman has a Junior High diploma better than anything you have, college included.

[DaveJord]

@jogeb907433 your 21 year old. At your age I never had any reason to pay for sex... but young people are not that difficult. At 47, I think back about all the money I have spent doing things with women, that amounted to nothing. Pay for it would of been cheaper.

And as you get older women expect for from a man then, hey let's hang out. they want dinners, and things. That ain't cheap my man.

[JesseJayNeak]

A wise self-respecting man would never wife a prostitute

[genericname85]

no. prostitution is legal where i live and it doesn't make dating any more easy at all.