Is it a one-way or two-way street, or not a street at all?
I'd like to think no. But in reality, I don't think that's the case.
I'm in this weird position that half of my job is a white collar, client facing, design and management oriented work, while the other half is blue collar, truck loading, physical labor, heavy equipment operating work. I think doing only one or the other would drive me crazy.
It also puts me in a position of my subordinates (on the blue collar side) see me as the person to complain to about my supervisors (on the white collar side), and vice versa. I think more often than not the blue collar complaints are more valid than the white collar complaints. My supervisors haven't spent as much time on site to know what actually works verses what works in theory. My subordinates don't understand budget constraints as well, but that's really the only argument they're at a disadvantage.
Unfortunately that puts me in a tough spot at staff meetings. Both sides expect me to mediate (for their benefit of course). I tend to side with the blue collar guys and gals more often, but I do still have to keep my job...
What does it matter? Most jobs will be white collar soon. Then after that, there won't be many jobs at all because automation will be handling everything.
I just get worried about the future. Humans don't seem to be dealing with change very well. And if we don't figure out how to have the right conversation very soon, we won't make it.
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maybe. Hope you're wrong - but who's to say...
Well, the good thing is, this is all about choices.
Who knows. . . maybe we will collectively make the right choices.
How will most jobs be white collar? How will we build the world around us?
@Redrocket69 You are kidding, right?
www.trendhunter.com/slideshow/automated-technology
Industrial Robots: Physical robots that execute tasks in manufacturing, agriculture, construction, and similar verticals with heavy, industrial-scale workloads. The Internet of Things, improved software and algorithms, data analytics, and advanced electronics have contributed to a wider array of form factors, ability to perform in semi- and unstructured environments, and the “intelligence” to learn and operate autonomously. A rising sub-category is collaborative robots (cobots), working safely alongside humans. Example vendors: ABB, Aethon, Blue River Technology (agriculture), Clearpath Robotics (autonomous, multiterrain), Denso, FANUC (traditional robots and cobots), Kawasaki, Kuka, Mitsubishi, Nachi Robotics, OptoFidelity, RB3D (cobots), Rethink Robotics (cobots), and Yaskawa.
Okay... and you still need to build maintain and program tje robots. Skilled labor is always a necessity. Robots replacing construction jobs ia more like 100 years into the future not 20
@Redrocket69 Hey, if that's what you think, that's what you think. I will do what I have to do to make sure I can eat. If other folks think their jobs are safe, well. . . that's on them. Taxi drivers thought the same thing.
4. CONSTRUCTION WORKERS
Manual labor jobs are also under threat by automation. Robotic bricklayers will soon be introduced to construction sites that enable the machines to replace two to three human workers each, reports Technology Review (link is external). SAM (Semi-Automated Mason) can lay up to 1,200 bricks a day, compared to the 300 to 500 a human can do. While a human is still required to work with SAM to complete the more nuanced tasks, the use of SAM reduces the need for the three other bricklayers it would take to do the same job. Other on-site construction jobs such as crane operators and bulldozer drivers can also expect to see their positions filled by AI-controlled machines in the next decade.
I have a white collar job. Thats not why i said something. Just pointing out that the idea most blue collar jobs will go away soon is just complete utter horseshit.
@Redrocket69 Most? I am not sure of how to respond. This isn't something that a big secret. Corporations have been outsourcing jobs for decades. Do you believe coal-mining jobs are coming back? Steel worker jobs? How far down does this rabbit hole go?
Well, that isn't my industry. I work in the tech field. And I know this for absolute certain, if I do not do what I have to do to educate myself and prepare myself for the coming changes in the job market, I can blame no one for being out of work.
I have the opportunity now and do all I can to see the changes coming and educate myself on the appropriate tech.
I grew in a Blue Collar family, neighborhood, community. It was always known I was going to be White Collar, I looked down on my family, friends, neighbors, and they looked grieving like upon me. Ironically, I always veered towards and trusted the Blue Collar people, they are the people closest to me. I've come to Love and Respect my Blue Collar roots. It took me many years of fighting that being the WC in a a BC world. So I guess, this girl's blood will always run Blue!!!
I usually see white collar looking down on blue collar as if their work is below theirs because it’s more labor intensive. At least that’s what I see in my boyfriend’s home. He has a blue collar job and his mom, despite pushing him to work there in the first place, likes to tell him that he needs to drop it for jobs similar to hers (white collar).
Just guessing C
but often blue finds out they are not getting the big white raises
but white often feels helpless unless a blue fixes things
then there's the bliss of not having to plan like a blue and simply hand a paycheck over to someone that does (wife) = simple, happy days they assume will never end until a white screws things up
In general, I think white collar people look down on blue collar ones. That is until the toilet backs up.
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Definitely. And both ways.
White collar look down at blue collar, and see a lower social class. People with less education, who work with their hands. It isn't just about money... They see these people as less intelligent. The idea that their own children could associate with the children of these people, or, God forbid, end up working blue collar, terrifies them.
The other way around, blue collar people see white collar as elitists, and snobs. They see them as mostly useless. White collar doesn't build roads and buldings, or wire electricity, or do plumbing, or lay carpet, or work on the production line making everything from children's toys to air plane parts.
Their problem with white collar people is they see people who make more than they do, who think they're a better class of people, who look down on them... and they see that those people not only can't do any of the actual WORK that keeps society running, but that they also look down on people who do do that work.
This isn't universal, obviously, but I think there is a decently strong chance that this conflict is almost everywhere, under the surface.
I think that's possibly true in general. I like to think I don't, though. I'm white collar but most of my family is blue collar. Also, right after high school I spent a bit of time working as a plumber's apprentice and then went into HVAC before going to college.
What I've seen happen on both sides that I truly hate is that sometimes people assume someone else's job is easy or that they could instantly step into another person's shoes and do it better. That's a bunch of bullshit, right there.
I think that is true for many people but not me. My father and younger brother were both blue collar workers. My older brother and I were white collars. My extended family (and I have MANY extended family members who live in my area and who I see on a regular basis) is primarily blue collar.
When I was younger, I took a break from being an attorney and worked as an electrician for a few years. I met some very smart electricians with character, and I have known some dumb attorneys who lacked character. No disdain from me!
My father was blue collar for most of his life until fairly recently in his career, like perhaps within the past five years, when he finally became white collar and is qualified enough now to apply for those positions. That was the product of years of experience and hard work from the bottom up, similar to "mustangs" in the military who make the officer ranks despite starting out as enlisted. My father similarly lacks a college degree. I respect him greatly for obtaining white collar status, though strangely enough he still likes to consider himself blue collar and trash talks white collar workers despite being one. I think a lot of these blue collar workers especially ones like my father who had been in it for quite some time take pride in it.
I think a lot of white collar workers feel blue collar workers are the grunts, the lowest paid, the ones doing manual labor. Likewise, the blue collar grunts don't like the white shirt executives making a thousand times more money while doing a lot less work. Plenty of room for disdain there.
I work for a large corporation on the white collar side.
I have seen disdain both ways. I have also seen amazing liking and friendships both ways.
Fun fact: With how the unions work in NYC, most of our blue collar workers make MORE money than even middle management white collar. Myef included. And many of us in corporate are Engineers. I have seen that difference alone ignite many issues.
Working in an industry which bridges the gap (literally sometimes) i can say it’s both. Suits have a slight disdain for the trade and same the other way. I learned really early on that if you don’t have he respect of the men driving the cranes and laying your bricks, you will never build a good building no matter how fantastic your design was.
My grandfather had two sons, a clever one and a thick one, the clever one went to university, got a degree, married an even cleverer woman and had three smart kids who went to uni and got white collar jobs. My father was thick, he married a thick woman and had thick kids. I want to go to uni, I want to get a degree and a well paid job and a big house and a high end sports car like my cousin's, but I can't go to uni because I'm thick, we're all thick in my family and all my cousin's are smart. Blue collar workers work ten times as hard as white cold workers, but they get ten times as much money. I hate my life, why was I born thick, why were all my cousin's born smart, it's so unfair hate posh people with their university educated brains and their trophy wives and their posh pedigree dogs and their high end sports cars, a second hand Volkswagen Wagen and a mongrel with one blue eye and one brown eye's good enough for me, why should Billy have a pedigree labradoodle and a brand new BMW?
Working with both blue and white, once as blue then as white, I can say that the in my many years with a fine company, I only saw consternation when sections unionized. Where work, some professionals are union and some of the labor is union. Non union white and blue work together very well. Unionized professional seen to do so as well. The unionized blue, they tend to think people look down on them, but I can’t say that anyone really does. From my perspective
I've been an electrician and now work in insurance sales. I think a lot of blue collar people perceive hate from white collar workers but its essentially just projection. I often hear blue collar people make assumptions when they see a man dressed business casual "he thinks his shit don't stank" "they just snobby rich folks" despite knowing absolutely nothing about them.
I've been both. People who don't have their act together have an attitude towards people who do.
White collar think blue collar are basically dumb hicks that don't have book smarts and blue collar thinks white collar are a bunch of lazy rich kids and both these assumptions have some truth to them
I make good money as a blue-collar worker. Enough to support my son, myself, and my retired parents. So people can think whatever they want.
It's a special harmony but there will always be some animosity.
I've never had a disdain for anyone. I've been in some amazing friendships with people in both sectors
I think there is some but I also think that the two overlap more than people realize
I personally don't care, who ever is doing the least amount of work for the most pay is winning in my book.
I don't think I can look down on you because of the colour of your collar
got jokes?
Got jokes? I don't get you?
oh OK. what color collar do you wear?
Usually white
White Collar looks down on Blue Collar
i think that is true
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