+1 yBecause people, especially those religious, think that we were sent here to have kids and raise kids. I think it’s a personal choice, although both decisions come with pros and cons in the moment and in the long run, but even though having kids can be a rewarding experience and is a learning experience and growing experience, it doesn’t mean everyone should have kids nor that having kids is for everybody. It isn’t. Plus, most people even don’t raise kids properly, but no matter how much you prepare or study in effective raising methods, you will still make mistakes, which is why it is a learning experience and a growing experience. Each child is different and unique, so while each may have their flaws, each have their gift too and bring gift unto the parents, although they may not realize it, but it is still a personal choice as to whether or not to have kids. But once someone has a child, there is no going back. You’re bound with the obligation to raise the child, no matter if you are the mother or the father, so definitely don’t have kids just like that and not while not being ready. It is something that must be planned carefully and prepared for very well if that path will be taken. This is why there should be no social pressure to have a child because it is not for everyone. If there was no pressure to have children, then people will be a lot more likely to think of preparation and methods prior to having children, and although there would be fewer parents, kids will be raised a lot better and a maybe a lot happier too, but of course, there is no such thing as utopia paradise, and doesn’t mean challenges will be absent. It will rather create people who will embrace challenges and see them as adventures and growing experiences. But nobody is ever 100% ready or 100% prepared for anything, so people should not be stressing about it, or else it will never get done. There is the one say: fake it til you do it. There is this other say: learn from your mistakes. People say that those who start school at a later age do better, while others say that in the long run, those who start school at an earlier age do better, and that is because they make more mistakes in the beginning and learn from them more, as well as the importance to make mistakes to learn more. But yeah, back to the kids thing, people have no obligation to have kids despite social pressure. This does not only apply to society in some manners but in other manners, the religious too: Not everything that is right is popular. Not everything that is popular is right.
Another great say says: Be what you want to be, not what others want to see. (Edited by me and someone else, replacing the 3rd last word, which was “choose” and replacing the word 2nd word in each phrase, which was “who”; got replaced with “what”. Oh, it is a lot more mysterious than that in many ways.)20 Reply
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I'm going to disagree with pretty much everyone who I read through.
I do not think that having kids is necessary for a happy life, nor have I known really anyone other than parents pressuring their kids to do it. Like most crucial decisions in life, it is something that requires the contemplation of a sound mind over outside influence.
In my opinion and observation, having kids basically magnifies the already present situation in the family unit. A weak couple will destroy themselves (and their kids) by having kids, while a strong couple will enrich themselves through procreation. Most people on any side of the "should you have kids" argument wants everyone else to feel the same way they do in order to validate themselves.32 Reply- +1 y
@pjf1958 i think we should actively encourage people who are inferior not to breed.
I don't want children and I don't think I will have then in the future.
Reproduction it's a natural thing to do, but this doesn't mean that we have to do it, if we don't want.
Some people still think that human being can't be complete without children, but this is a very ancient mentality.
In the past people did a lot of children because they need hand to work the fields, now there isn't this necessity, in fact people started to have a few children per family.
Also reproduction id something to do with religion because for example in the Bible ebrew bore children to continue the name of the family and for some believe it is like that also today.
A lot of people say me that I need to change mynmondnom this because having a children is the best thinf in the wolrd but, persona I don't care about it, I don't want children and I am happy this way.20 Reply
It shouldn't be but people always assume women want children
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Because biologically men and women want children. If we didn't want children, you wouldn't exist, I wouldn't exist, none of us would exist. Your arguing against reality, we are built for it, we have extreme biological mechanisms to get us to reproduce and raise chilren because that is the singular purpose of biological life and its a necessary component of a functional society.
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Are we tho?
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Are we though what? Is that in reference to being biologically wired to want kids? If so, the answer is a emphatic yes. Your genitals, womb, brain chemistry, brain structure all are evidence for this being biological. You cannot divest yourself of your biology, you can ignore its drives but you cannot just decide that they don't exist.
Question, are you on hormonal birth control (purely academic question, also pertinent to the conversation)? - +1 y
@hellionthesagereborn You have absolutely no idea, no clue what you're talking about. I've never had any of these "drives" that you refer to, because at no point in my life have I ever wanted children. I've never had that desire, and no, there isn't "something wrong with me" because of that.
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@Rachelspiks I do actually. As I stated your wired for reproduction. You have genitals, a womb, a sex drive, mammary glands to breast feed a child, oxytocin in the brain that would be released in large quantites during child birth ensuring a strong emotional bond and connection to your child etc. This is well documented. Not saying you have to have a child, but we are wired for it so some one refusing to have kids is odd. Your also hyper defenesive considering that at no point did I suggest you had to have children nor did I suggest you where morally obligated to have children. Why do you think that is? Why do you think your so angry at the thought that you might be biologicaly wired to reproduce (as again, literally every single living thing without exception is)? Doesn't seem like something to get angry about.
As I have stated before, you are allowed to do with your life as you wish, I don't think any one has the right to stop you, however their are certain drives people have and pretending they don't exist usually leads to greater misery then if one simply accepted that they are there to begin with. - +1 y
@hellionthesagereborn No. I'm NOT "wired for reproduction". You don't seem to understand the (very big) difference between having the capacity to perform a task or function, and being "wired" to do so. I mean, and using your "logic", I could say the same thing about men, that they're "wired" for this sort of thing as well. Would you agree with that statement, that men are wired to reproduce?
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@hellionthesagereborn "Why do you think your so angry at the thought that you might be biologicaly wired to reproduce (as again, literally every single living thing without exception is)? Doesn't seem like something to get angry about."
I'm not angry though. Whatever gave you that idea? - +1 y
@Rachelspiks No, not at all. You are literally built for it, maybe to a lesser degree then others, but you are built for it. You are misunderestanding believing you don't want kids now is some how the same as not wanting kids in the future, those are two different things and this same scenario has played out thousands of times before with the same results, a woman who is childless and regrettes it (not always of course, you could very well be that tiny fraction of the human race that doesn't want kids, though that is not a likely scenario it is entirely possible. never the less you are built for it).
As for your attempt at a "reversal" by suggesting that the same thing is true of men, well its not much of an argument as I have already stated EVERY HUMAN is designed to create and rear children. Men have fewer mandatory biological predispositions for it, but its still our drive to reproduce (what do you think sex is? Its the drive to reproduce) and we do have the drive to raise kids (again, we have different mechanisms but the drive exists). - +1 y
@Rachelspiks As for why I think your angry, I'd say its the aggression. You come off very angry and very aggressive and combative, that is what gave me the impression that you where angry.
So let me guess, your on hormonal birth control? - +1 y
@hellionthesagereborn What? No I'm not. How do I "come off" as being angry? What does that even mean? Have I called you names? No. Have I used foul language? No. If I were angry I might USE CAPITAL LETTERS AND A LOT OF EXCLAMATION MARKS - like this!!!
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@Rachelspiks Well, you still seem rather angry but I'll chalk it up to the imperfect communication of the written word (most language is tonal and physical as well as verbal and that can get lost when translating it to written word). However you didn't respond to my other points/questions.
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@hellionthesagereborn What other points and questions?
"Every human is designed to create and rear children", you say. Well, no, that's not true. "What is sex for?", you ask. I don't know and I do not care.
Look, even if ALL that you say is true, that doesn't change the fact that many people simply do not want children, and that there is nothing "wrong with us" because of that. I don't care about impulses, or urges, or drives or instincts! We can rise above ALL of them easily enough. It's not hard to do, especially for a person who doesn't even have them to begin with. - +1 y
@Rachelspiks Well it is true, I pointed out that it was and its a biological fact that we are, no escaping that one. But you then tried to claim that men where also subject to this and I stated that yes it was (it was your "gotcha yah" moment, only I had already stated as much).
Sex is for reproduction, you know that and I know that so again, we are biologically wired to reproduce.
As for "something wrong with you", that is you projecting, I never stated that. In fact my only statement was to say that while its entirely possible for some one to not want children, its so highly unlikely that we can safely say that the over whelming majority of women who claim to not want children actually do but have been convinced that wanting to have kids is some how bad, that children are a burden or what have you (and while they are definitley a responsibility, they are not a burden). Many famous women who said they didn't want kids ended up wanting kids and either lamenting that they where to old to have them or adopted them because again, its an innate drive.
As for saying you can rise above your impulses, great, never have sex again (good luck), never interact with a human being again (good luck), only eat the blandest of foods (good luck) etc. etc. You say we can rise above them, but its not true, we can control them, with great effort, but we cannot make them not be their.
You also didn't answer my other question, are you on hormonal birth control (after all you don't want to have kids right? So it makes sense that you would be)? - +1 y
@hellionthesagereborn Not that it's any of your business, but no, I'm not taking any tablets. Also, it wasn't a "gotcha" moment, I was simply curious (and I must have missed the part where you mention men as well).
Ah, now this is interesting.
"As for saying you can rise above your impulses, great, never have sex again (good luck), never interact with a human being again (good luck), only eat the blandest of foods (good luck) etc. etc."
Can I let you in on a little secret? Don't tell anyone this, but... (looks around to make sure no one is around) not only have I never had sex, but I never intend to, in spite of all the crap I may have written here on GAG in the past now. I just don't have the desire. Never have had the desire. I just don't care about it, because it's SO boring!
How does interacting with others affect any of this? That makes no sense either, and by the way, I actually prefer to be on my own, because I don't really like people very much anyway. I'm a bit of a recluse, an introvert by nature. People are weird, they're aliens to me. They do (and believe) some VERY strange things.
"You say we can rise above them, but its not true, we can control them, with great effort, but we cannot make them not be there".
As one of the main characters in the film 'The African Queen' put it: "We are here to rise above nature, not wallow in it". - +1 y
@hellionthesagereborn People are not "wired for reproduction".
Most people are wired to crave sex, which just so happens to result in reproduction most of the time, and the reason most people are wired for sex, is because those are the people that bred offspring and got to pass down traits to the next generation.
But even so, an intelligent animal with appropriate appendages can deduce how to make itself orgasm without it resulting in pregancy.
Most people actually hate parenting, and caring for children after birth is actually quite rare in the animal kingdom, and in our species planned children are less than 1% of births, and most people are terrible parents who barely get by at the task while making tons if mistakes along the way with their first kids.
Instead whats common in the animal kingdom is having tons of babies so some beat the odds and survive to adulthood while you essentially leave them to their own devices after birth.
Mammals tend to care for offspring a bit longer because of breastfeeding, but for example baby noises are meant to be irritating af so that you feed it just to stop hearing the ear peircing noises.
You can get an oxytocin responce during breastfeeding, but it doesn't happen in every breastfeeding woman (though those who get it tend to end up with healthier babies more often).
Generally speaking, parenting is an annoying obligation for most people who accidentally had kids, and it only becomes enjoyable after the child is able to talk and do fun things (and thats only if they share the paren't's hobbies, if they don't then it just sucks the entire time for most people).
Exceptions exist of course, a rare few actually have a sort of addiction to doing motherly or fatherly duties and find babies and/or kids adorable and dream of making a smaller them to pass on some kind of legacy or whatever, but it's rarer than you think.
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655 opinions shared on Family & Friends topic. This is a catch-22 question for me I love it but I hate being honest about it. The very first thing is is that I absolutely love kids I grew up with a guy that I thought was my dad until I was five that I knew the truth that he used to beat me with a belt and I never understood how somebody could beat somebody so fucking hard and then said that they love you. And then I watch Friends With Kids and how they ignore the kids and how they speak to their kids and in doing so with their actually teaching their kids they're going to become and it's just really pisses me off. I have two kids and the very first day that I held my son my life changed right there I knew that I had to become a teacher a parent a friend and just me. I knew did I would never touch my kids with a belt or anything else I knew did my words could teach them and I was going to teach them unconditional love I was going to teach them the right thing be honest I was going to teach them if they could come to me for anyting they ever needed to and that's what I did I never let my kids see me get upset they always see me learn how to handle problems very calmly if my friends were around they heard the way that I talk to them how I acted because no matter what you do in life did you have kids you are there God you can do no wrong and they pick up on every little thing you do and body language to hiccups it doesn't matter baby, that person that they see like I said I went through hell when I was growing up and I did not want my kids to go through that hell so I made sure they didn't both very successful young adults my son's a fireman paramedic my daughter still finding herself and I always had nephews and nieces over at my house people would bring their kids over to my house because problems with it with them and I would have to explain to him the kids are not the problem you're the problem but anyway I love kids now I'm saying all the above.
We are in a place in this world where we don't know where we're headed I can tell you this it's not good I do not want to bring up kids where I think the world is headed to because if something was to happen to me I cannot protect them and that would be just wrong I would need to be able to protect him at all times no matter how old they are it would just be wrong timing right now until the world figures it all out and we figure out which direction we are really being led down what path we are being that. That's what's happening right now10 Reply502 opinions shared on Family & Friends topic. You don't have to have kids, but if you don't, you had better have a lot of money saved up in your retirement account. When you don't have children, you have no one to care for you in old age, so you have to be able to hire people to do so. If you get sick or injured, and you need someone to get you to doctor's appointments or look after you at home, you will have to pay for that, and it won't be cheap.
If you retire at 65, and you live to the average age of 85, that is 20 years - your most expensive years - that you have to be able to pay for. If you get a serious illness (cancer is sadly popular, but maybe you need dialysis or some other ongoing treatment), you will need someone to help you - going it alone isn't going to be possible. Families have normally done that job, but no kids means no younger generation to help you when it's your time.
Financial experts say that if you retired today at 65, to live out 20 years of middle class life, you'd need $2 million in the bank. That's $100,000 a year, and that's hardly unreasonable given likely expenses. If you need assisted living, that is probably not enough. Inflation means that amount goes up every year.
So, hopefully you have been dumping money into your 401k and IRA, and will have a paid off house by the time you retire. You will only have yourself to count on.18 Reply- +1 y
Who says children will take care of you when you're older? I see so many cousins who moved to the other side of the country, or even abroad, that my aunts and uncles won't have their children close by. Children have their own live and shouldn't feel obliged in any way to take care of their parents once they are older.
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Normally, if you get old and need regular care, you move in with your children if they are not close by.
And if you think Medicare is going to cover your medical costs when you are older and your medical needs grow exponentially, you aren't paying attention. But I'm talking about assisted living - if you don't have family to take care of you, you will likely not be able to live by yourself. Do you have any idea how many people get dementia the last 5-10 years of their lives? Awful, depressing nursing homes cost $5000 a month, and decent ones cost $8000 and up - and that's today's prices.
You also need to remember that people are having way less children, so when you hit retirement age, there are going to be way fewer taxpayers, so the government is going to have way less money. Benefits are going to be cut because there will simply be less money. It's already happening in Japan and South Korea, where birthrates dropped significantly a generation earlier.
Boomers had it very different than the rest of us will. Biden alone has borrowed trillions that we all have to pay back, which will further drain money from the future. He'll be dead when the bill comes due, so he doesn't care. But you will... - +1 y
@Juxtapose Well, that's all good for you. Most women aren't going to do that, though, so they need to know what they're facing. Living alone for 40 years means your daily bills drain away a lot of the money you'd otherwise be able to save up for your retirement years (like generations did prior), and having no children means that having money is the only other way to have a decent retirement life. If you hit 65 and haven't thought about any of that until then, you are likely to end up homeless and dying during a winter cold out on the streets. That's a terrible way to go. The amount of money involved means you need to be thinking about this when you are young, and if you aren't going to have a husband (or wife) and kids, then you need to save aggressively during your most productive years (20s-50s) so that you have something to live on when you are too old to earn highly, or at all.
These aren't my rules - this is just how life works, and a lot of people haven't given this stuff any long-term thought. They just assume that things will be fine, but the major changes of not being married and not having kids means that those later years will look VERY different for them than it did for their parents and grandparents. - +1 y
@Juxtapose Social Security is going to be bankrupt. Social Security is built on the idea that the population will always keep growing, and from the 40s to the 90s, it did, but the population is contracting now, with birthrates falling off a cliff. The money you're paying into Social Security today isn't being saved up for you to use later - it's being used to pay for Boomers right now. They're okay because there are enough GenX earning money and paying in, but there aren't enough Millennials to pay for GenX, and there damn sure aren't enough Millennials having children to pay for them. The system is going to collapse. And we've also been borrowing so much money for other reasons (several trillion just in the last year) that our country's credit rating has dropped, and we can expect it to get worse. That means borrowing more will be difficult or impossible as time goes on, be cause lenders won't be able to rely on repayment. It's like, as a country, we've maxed out a bunch of credit cards and can't even make the minimum payments on them.
You've got your head in the sand if you think it's all going to be fine, and especially if you think you can count on government solutions. Plenty of other countries have had millions of their people literally starve to death. Don't think it can't happen here.
+1 yBecause biologically we are wired to want kids. Also its kind of how society maintains itself. Most people do want kids and will eventually start regretting not having them as they get older.
If you don't, fine, but again, it all probability your going to get older and decide that you really did want kids all along. For what ever reason society has decided to tell women they don't want kids despite their biological drives (even greater then men's) and that has convinced a lot of younger women they don't want kids. By the time they realize they actually do want kids they are already struggling to have them (their is a very "famous" case of this with a feminist who pushed for decades to stop treating women like they where baby makers that women didn't want kids etc. etc. then she hit fifty and couldn't have kids of her own and so she adopted. Same thing happened with the writer of "sex and the city", she has openly admitted to regretting choosing career over family and now its too late to change it.).
Again, if you don't want them fine, no one should ever be forced into it, you might even be that incredibly rare exception that says they don't want kids and means it, but that is not likely and again, we generally look at it weird because its the singular purpose of biological life and we are wired to want children so people who go against that seem odd.23 Reply- +1 y
Wise words. I want 3kids 😊
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@Pandupillu I would love to have kids as well though at my age that doesn't look like its going to happen, but again, its biology we quite literally are built for it.
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But men are capable of having kids even after the age of 70, unlike women. Cause we have a limited time for that
487 opinions shared on Family & Friends topic. Most people that frown upon it just feel it’s a selflish decision to live your life only focusing on yourself , but the bottom line is some people just aren’t capable of raising children, so I don’t see anything wrong with it , But one thing I have witnessed , was couples that chose not to have children that lived their whole lives traveling and spoiling each other until the day they were both lying on their death beds regretting not ever having children, being lonely and no one there by their bed side when they were dying, they would say if we could go back in time they wish they would of had children, Me personally has children and they are the best love I ever received on this Earth , But to start over with having kids with someone else is not on my to do list , I plan on meeting someone and spoiling each other and traveling and experiencing all the things I didn’t get to experience when I was married with kids , Now that my kids are older and I am single , I realize I don’t really have much more to look forward to other than living out the rest of my life the best I can , so finding a girl that doesn’t want kids or doesn’t want more kids is the kind of girl I am looking for , cuz least I know when I am dying on my death bed my children will be there for me
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+1 yYou know, I think some people don't even know WHY they think people should have kids. They don't question it. They just know that when they grew up it was expected that you get married and have kids. Now that life doesn't have to go that way, they are still stuck in that mindset.
My mom had 3 kids, I'm the youngest. Ever since I was little I have said I don't want kids. I never have. And she's always told me I'll change my mind. I don't think she has a train of thought behind why I should change my mind. Or why she thinks I'll suddenly have a complete personality change that makes me enjoy being around kids. She just knows she had kids, her sisters had kids, her friends had kids, and her two oldest kids had kids. The idea that I'm never going to be a parent and I'm happy with that choice just... doesn't compute with her.
Thankfully she quit arguing with me about this after I was sterilized. I think the fact that I took drastic, surgical measures to ensure I never become a parent finally got through to her14 Reply- +1 y
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+1 yWell, the root of whatever answer is going to evolutionary biology. I think, deep down, we are all hardwired to want to procreate and make more human beings. I think deviations away from this or interests away from this would feel out of place for us. So, with that being the root, then what can come after that? Well, we can take about culture and tradition of the place one was raised in. The environment and family that someone was raised in will dictate just how frowned upon not wanting kids will be. I honestly think all cultures and places will find this to be frowned upon, generally speaking, because of the evolutionary biology root that is still inherent in all of us. To me, it’s interesting on the reasons why people do not want to have children.
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+1 yI have two kids. Love them and would jump on front of a train for them. But theyre not for everyone. My 2 yr old girl went to bed at 1030 last night and woke up to play at 230 this morning. And I got to work at 7 and must function at my best capacity for the next 9hrs, only to come home and hear my son complain about dinner leftovers and storming off saying i never do things he wants. So I take them to the park, watch them play, doze off for a minute while wife watches. Now im sitting here on a couch, typing this rant on my phone while my kids watch the same damn movie they watch everyday, cuz thats what kids so... and I smile cuz you no-kidders have no idea what kid life is like. No idea.
20 Reply1.1K opinions shared on Family & Friends topic. Good question!
I think it's because a lot of people believe that everyone should get married and have kids. That's what they consider natural and for some it's a life goal.
We live in a world where people expect us to be all the same and when someone is "different" or wants a "different life" the person is automatically seen as a weirdo or as someone who needs help.
When you're a woman the pressure to have kids is even bigger. So if you don't want it you're considered abnormal and therefore frowned upon.20 Reply
+1 yAs far as Nature's greater scheme-of-things is concerned... those NOT passing on their DNA are evolutionary 'dead ends'. NO ONE celebrates the DEATHS of billions of 'surplus wasted' unfertilized menstrual Ovum and ejaculated Spermatozoa.
Masturbation reverts to JUST an immediate 'feel good' ancillary benefit of 'testing' One's reproductive anatomy. Eastern Tantra acknowledges, ... harvests and exploits the incidental anatomical bioelectric radiant energies released during sexual conduct, as a form of sentient spiritual 'communion' with One's Deity (Quodousch ) "Let us PRAY! :)
As you might well imagine the Tantric parents of children, skirt legal prosecution of Pedophilic sexual predation if caught engaged in home or communal religious rituals equivalent to the Christian majority's sacraments of 'Baptism', 'First Communion' and 'Confirmation'.10 Reply- 317 opinions shared on Family & Friends topic.
+1 yOnce upon a time it was frowned upon.
It's supposed to be a primal thought born grow copulate reproduce.
And in this cycle life revovles people have lot to talk about it.
It gave purpose to there life as women were not working it was a distraction for mind something to live for.
Now suddenly someone thought to break the cycle and the people who enjoyed , brokedown , laughed , cried are like what was that an option.
No but now you showed them they could have been free so people would see that you won't want to take the responsibility which they took so they get angry on you.
And for others its just a general concern like what are your plans if not having kid inquistive.
I don't think now it's frowned upon10 Reply We live in an arrogant, ungrateful, selfish and ignorant society that doesn't understand why having children is important. It's the same who get mad to think animals die, but have no problem buying meat from the store.
That said some people should not have kids. If they understand that, this is a good thing.
But the whole reason we have a border crisis, and shipping in Afghans, is to fill the jobs that need doing now. We are essentially giving our country away to others because we lack the desire to procreate, and rather enrich ourselves now at our ancestor's expense, for everything that live, fought and died for.10 Reply- 795 opinions shared on Family & Friends topic.
+1 yIt's simply showing a lack of maturity.
Love and marriage, family, children, are about GIVING. Not what you GET out of it. When your life is a grand success, you're eternally happy, you then might be in a place to want to share your life with someone special. Some people just never get to this, they're constantly feeding their own neediness. Which is fine, but they should not marry nor have children - it's just not fair to the parties involved.
I never wanted children, in my twenties either. Now I have three grown ones, all older than you. When you get to my age you come to realize the only people that really matter in your life is your family. Everyone else just comes and goes in your life.
And you have to be willing to do the work to create high value, so as to attract a high-value partner. Only then might you be ready to bring forth life and nurture it to maturity.32 Reply- +1 y
Very true. Raising kids is all about giving with no expectation of receiving
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@mobiusforniner - Yes, it's a thankless job, but worth it.
It usually takes till they get into their twenties before they realize you were right after all, become more grateful for your time and attention. I have three, 26, 30, and 34. They're wonderful mature adults, well adjusted, highly successful, and eternally happy and content.
I'm just glad none of them are camped out on my porch with their hand out. :)
Because society says humans are just meant to make babies and nothing more, and that putting your sanity and happiness first is a bad thing somehow, even if you'd make a lousy parent or you're not healthy enough to be reproducing more humans (like myself).
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humans on a global scale are not sick...
that's why there are homes all over the Globe and not hospitals...
I was raised with that ideal, and Christianity, and there is a link there, I guess.
I turned away from both LIES, and decided that I need to DECIDE FOR ME, what I WANT, rather than being some 'programmed drone', just following some social/religious bullshit paradigm!!20 Reply- 632 opinions shared on Family & Friends topic.
+1 yIt's only frowned upon by people who want or have kids and also at the same time hate or fear that other people don't want the same things they want.
It's basically a side effect from parenting crazed control freaks, and it's thankfully rare where I live.
It's no different than religious people wanting others to convert, or fans of something belittling those who like something else.
Best to ignore people like that tbh, asking why they do it is like asking why the team from jackass did all those crazy stunts, there is no logic behind the act.00 Reply A generation a long time ago was guilt tripped into thinking that they are obligated to have kids and the idea was simply passed to the next and it continued from there. Society can be used to guilt trip people into saying or doing something they do not want to do. Because it can be used like a exclusive club you have to say or do something in order to be part of. Since the practice has been going for so many generations many people just accept it.
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 ycause they see it as selfish, you could help populate the earth an u won't, u could give life to people u won't, its bull. its not everyones life goal, mission to have kids... an its ok... an should be ok... dont be pressured into marriage or having kids... if u want to be single never have kids, thats fine, dont be bullied into thinking otherwise. some know they could not afford kids, could not cope with kids, or they just want their freedom... i dont even want pets thats how much i want an need my freedom, i dont want marriage, pets, kids, nothing that affects my freedom, and thats fine, i think selfish would be i have kids cause i was pressured.. and i can't afford them, i can't handle them... i choose me time over them,,,, so on... it is ok to never have kids, im not bringing anyone to earth to suffer... and i want my freedom... people can suck it.
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Anonymous(45 Plus)+1 yIf they don't want children that's on them, however I did. Though thanks to female hypergamy feminism and a false accusation system including a society to match pitted against men, not only did I not get married, I ended up childless too. Men can't even get near anywhere children without it creating some sort of panic among society and more so women. Women put up a big front to claim they care so much about the welfare of children while sticking up for abortion, they care more about animals than they do about children. This has a lot to do with why MGTOW exist and why I never want to be with a woman again. Women have absolutely no room and no right to complain about men leaving IE MGTOW.
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+1 yI think that men generally get caught up in a biological lust for continuing their bloodline, and women generally a similar yearning in ways I can't understand.
Some people just seem to not have much desire in that area, and overpopulation is a real problem, so what if people don't want kids.
The politicians and religions demonize childless couples for their own greedy reasons, and ignore overpopulation. Nobody talks about that.10 Replysome don't want kids and that's fine their decision but if you say this in your mid 20 or your mid 30 is too EARLY to be completely sure I get it you want to be free but
many ladies later in life either they regret or they feel extremely bored and have no meaning
my parents are living because of me I AM their meaning and that makes me happy because I also love my parents and I don't see my life without them but as we all know one day we all our parents will die and we can't do anything about it
its life so bringing a living being is a good thing ONLY if you decide to take care of it
dont make babies if you won't watch them you ruining a life
and that is a SIN00 ReplyNot so much in the U. S., but in most developing nations it's almost sacraligious not to have big families. However, with almost 8 billion human beings competing for fresh water, viable farmland, clean air, etc., it's becoming obvious that those traditional values must cease if we are able to protect our biosphere.
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That’s starting to change in developing countries who are getting more access to birth control
Because people just love to push their dreams onto others. Misery loves company so to speak.
And as the mother of two, have I told you lately how great having kids are? Why haven't you had kids yet. Kids are adorable! Here take one of mine!
*tries to hand one off and get back to having a quiet house again*30 Reply
+1 yPeople probably assume, like in baby boomer ages, that you get given a house and enough money/work for money to feed some children, and then frown upon your not having any.
Maybe clarify houses are beyond reach of most, and to feed children you first need to feed Indians and the poor in africa so basically there isn't any hope.
Thank boomers for deciding Indians and Africans doubling their populations successfully is higher priority than you getting a house or means of living and procreating (they call it offshoring/outsourcing - reproduction included)00 ReplyI don't want to have kids, neither does my girlfriend. I'm happy with that and I enjoy the freedom I have. We both have a good income, we can travel a lot, we can do whatever we want in the weekends. I don't want to give up freedom to have kids.
40 ReplyThose are creepy people because they are imposing their fantasies on others.
If we also start saying desiring kids at early 20's is creepy and disgusting then they'll literally start world war 3.
But hypocrites can shame the ones who choose to be childfree. Overpopulation is already an issue.20 Reply
+1 yBecause society is not ready to accept that yet. It's not necessary for everyone to be baby people. It's okay to not want kids.
Personally I want kids but I also want to adopt a child.
Not everyone who wants to be parents are able to bare children but they can always adopt.10 Reply
+1 yBecause it shows you’re not a loving, caring , nurturing person. And quite honestly it’s uncommon to see someone who doesn’t want kids. Most of us want kids. Humans are designed to love and want children. If it was more common to not want kids , human population would have ceased to exist long ago
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+1 yif your parents didn't want kids you think you'll be here?
you're not the first human being with this issue and if it becomes the norm globally we might as well go extinct... so that's why.
the real question is why don't you want kids? are they really that bad?213 Reply- +1 y
@Archerer this is not about what you feel or i feel my dude... it's about the society... look at japan
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@Archerer having more kids is not the main reason of the suffering of the world.
also if everyone starts adopting and stops giving birth the kids to be adopted would be out in no time and thus extinction of humanity...
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I hate the “if everybody did” argument, it’s stupid. Obviously we have a problem of over population and of unwanted kids being given up for adoption. What a stupid argument to say if everyone adopted we’d go extinct... also I didn’t say it would rid the world of suffering, I said much suffering.
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@Archerer whether you said much of suffering or not... it's still the same thing.
having more kids is still not the main reason for suffering / much suffering in the world...
it is the greediness of abundant wealth and power... that is causing much of the suffering.
it's funny how assumptions (if) argument is automatically stupid... just because you said so.
how about it's not and you don't have any good point other than swearing around?
Also, you swearing up and down only shows that you're clearly out of good reasonable arguments, thats why you're reserving to that... Good luck with your swearings.
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@Archerer and it's also funny you didn't commented on japan... even china too with the population of 1+ billion only adopted the one child policy for 1 and half decad now it's 3 lol... even the goverment is scared...
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"If" arguments aren't stupid, for example: "If people who wanted kids adopted instead, it would rid the world of much suffering " is a good argument. This argument is almost inherently true. By adopting you alleviate the suffering of an already-existing soul. By having your own kids, you run the risk of that new soul suffering, on top of the un-adopted soul's suffering being an almost certainty.
However, "If everybody did 'x' then 'y' would happen" are stupid arguments.
Also, I'm sorry you think "stupid" is a sear word. I don't fucking care. This isn't a formal debate, or a classroom essay. If a few swear words are enough to confuse you into a stupor and render arguments incomprehensible, that is your prerogative. - +1 y
@Archerer LMFAO
"If everybody did 'x' then 'y' would happen" are not stupid arguments...
if you jump from a 100 story building you'll be dead...
(now if this is not stupid then you are my friend it's one of the two.) just because you say something it doesen't makes it necesarily right
yes i never said adoption was a bad idea but reproduction is not and was never the main issue of the globe at this point...
and i've also seen many parents with their own kids with adopted children also... - +1 y
@Archerer we're are seriously discussing kids and/or population crisis yet you're asking me what's wrong with Japan?
go get some news yourself... before labeling anything that doesn't fit your narrative " stupid"
+1 yKids are expensive, annoying, time consuming, a pain in the ass, and possesed by Satan. I have no desire to ever have any.
I don't know why not wanting them is frowned upon. There's 7 billion people here already and we don't need people spawning like rabbits.30 Reply1.6K opinions shared on Family & Friends topic. We are meant to have kids. It's nature and honestly its weird that so many millennials are on this trend of not having them. They always have this thing about trying to be different then their parents generation. If they put that shit thinking aside they'd realize it's our job as humans to keep our species growing. And I personally frown upon it because of that ridiculous reasoning to be "different" and the lack of maturity that it shows.
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@pjf1958 everyone dies at some point. It's not always growing. And as of right now in America our birth rates are dropping like crazy. Most people having children are older so they end up having issues like autism/adhd and such. Our future is looking scary considering there won't be fully functional adults with the new generation so it would be wise for younger people to have as many babies as possible to try and create a functional generation
+1 yBreeders want you to share in their misery. lol
I don't know, it seems like a pretty personal choice that people need to make for their selves, no matter what other people think. However, many people feel that their own personal choices are the only "correct" choice.00 Reply- 463 opinions shared on Family & Friends topic.
+1 yI don't know why not wanting kids is frowned upon. It is a personal choice and if a woman doesn't feel that having kids is right for her, more power to her. I totally respect a woman's decision to not have kids if that is what she wants.
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i totally respects her too by would have a harder time trying to have a family compared to your traditional woman... your so you do you
+1 yI don’t know why it’s frowned upon. Some people definitely shouldn’t be having kids though. I know someone who has some pets and keeps them caged up all the time. Won’t allow them to roam freely just because she doesn’t want to clean up behind them… this same someone wants a child… if you don’t want to clean behind your pets then you most definitely aren’t ready to start having kids. You can’t put a baby in a cage.
20 Replymy answer would be, It's frowned upon? Had no clue, usually i tell people I have no interest in having/raising children and I am only met with, "Why?". Then people will usually accept my answer or not but I mean how is it frowned upon? Your body, your choice...
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 yI don't know beyond the whole keeping the family name going thing
I have had negatives proffered when I say I don't want kids, then I go into my medical history and how much of it could be hereditary and that shuts them up, I'm being a good person by not having kids10 Reply
+1 yBecause people with kids want you to suffer like they have. By not having kids you experience something ‘the norm’ can’t!
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+1 yBecause it's a virtue signal; it's not that you don't want to have kids, it is that you know that you're not supposed to say that you want to have kids. The right thing to say is that you don't want kids, and everyone knows how much of a crock of shit it is.
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Or i just I dont want kids
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You absolutely do. The number of women that actually don't want kids is so astronomically low that it hasn't ever been recorded historically. Nearly twice as many women as men reproduce and it isn't because women don't want kids.
You're not special, you're just another female. - +1 y
@nerdyandtall TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!! @DeltaCharlieEcho SUPER pretentious of you to just say that it is a "VIRTUE" and assume all are like you!! MANY are not!!
Some people think for themselves, and don't just follow the bullshit dogma they were taught by parents, or foolish ideals of society!! - +1 y
@JackSmy Stop white knighting, it isn't going to get your dick wet.
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@DeltaCharlieEcho "white-knighting" it? LOL, do you even know what that means?
Stop being a judgmental DICK, and posting judgmental misogynistic shit, OK? - +1 y
@JackSmy It's not misogynistic, it's biological reality.
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@DeltaCharlieEcho Stop digging, I don't care what you think, and your delusions. Piss off!
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@JackSmy Who's digging? I see you simping, but I don't see anyone digging.
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Just seems a bit weird you know more about what I want than I actually know myself
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@DeltaCharlieEcho Alpha Mike Foxtrot. Do you get it?
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NerdyAndTall, you don't even know what you want from a man, how the hell am I supposed to believe that you know whether you want a kid or not?
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@JackSmy Not sure why you think you're being clever, you're like the 5th person to try this.
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I'd like a man who I get along with, can make me laugh and I connect with emotionally and physically.
I don't want a kid because child bearing scares me as well I have issues with anxiety that I worry would cause issues with raising a kid - +1 y
That's a temporary state. You don't want a kid 'right now' but most likely you will by the time you're nearing 30.
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By the time you're 40 you'll be sexually attracted to fruit
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Interesting, I'm going out with a model on Thursday. What are you doing with your life besides running from reasonable commitment and meaning?
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I'm just doing a you and telling someone what they want
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It's not frowned upon. Also, why should you care? I'm pretty sure there are things you frown upon wether it be someones political views or something. Just ignore it and carry on is what I'd say.
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+1 yWell cause lack of fertility is the biggest problem we have in western first world society. So I think it's valid to have a shaming mechanism in an effort to correct for that.
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@Juxtapose i think most problems we have actually originate from that problem. lack of educated professionals. lack of competent people in politics and law. a degenerate society that does not understand the basics of living together in a society and atively trives to ruin society... those are the things that are biting our ass in a variety of different ways right now.
what would you call "our biggest problem"? - +1 y
@Juxtapose well i would say this problem you are talking about is a global one. i was speaking about the biggest problem that is exclusive to first world countries. cause clearly, "lack of fertility" isn't a problem in African countries for example :D
obviously developing countries and developed countries have vastly different issues. and i would attribute the problems with the distribution of money to natural laws. cause you see those very same distribution pattern everywhere in nature. of course politics and it's corruption is a big problem. but i don't think it's the biggest one. cause a political leadership can only be as corrupt as a society allows it to be. - +1 y
Half of these people on this damn website are for you getting injected against your will. They have been carefully conditioned by the oligarchs for centuries and you expect them to overthrow national/global elites?
Society is consisted of barely educated, easily manipulated fools who will believe in things without evidence. - +1 y
@Juxtapose well for that, it is helpful to look at society with the scope of Luhmans system theory. Society can be separated in different functional subsystems that each opperate under a different system inherent logic. the political subsystem has the inherent logic of "generating power". it is not within that systems operating parameters to "limit their own power", so blaming the government for not letting their power to be cut down is stupid. it's not their job to do that.
the so called "citizens" or in other words "the people" are accountable for fightnig for their own rights and limiting the power a government has. it is also the citizens duty to equip themself with whatever resources are necessary for that.
another controllgroup of power is the the social system of "the law", which is there to prevent a government from breaking the rules that have been established.
another group is the media. it is their job to inform the people about poitics such that with that information the people can make decisions. and those decisions would include decisions that fight back against the government.
people have forgotten that the government is a much needed cog in the complex and conflicting systems of our society. however it is not a "friend" or a "benefactor" of the people. people missunderstand the role of the government. - +1 y
@Juxtapose it's always easy to blame others. i guess it's always "us" who are at fault.
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@Juxtapose the government can make the laws. you're not breaking the rules of a game, if you can change the rules of the very game you're playing. and the only acteur in a society who has the power to so something against that is "the people"...
Because having kids is what made it possible for you to be here to whine about how you're too lazy to have kids so you're willing to let your 4 billion year old evolutionary lineage end with you.
22 Reply"Every child deserves a parent but not every parent deserves a child."
30 ReplyI don't want to bring kids into this world. I have no objection to others wanting to, I used to want kids. But for me now it's a no. Not everyone looks down on it.
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+1 ythe purpose of life is to make more life. if you don't want kids something is literally wrong with you
if your beliefs or wants would literally drive us to extinction if everyone practiced them... that's a bad sign215 Reply- +1 y
Why do people like you even care though? I've never wanted children, but there is nothing "wrong" with me because of that.
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What's wrong with adopting? I know some women need to satisfy their biological clock. Or, cultural pressures to have kids now! That must be very difficult for the Latin American lesbian community. When there mothers are screaming at them to have kids. Yet, they refuse to listen to their daughters. Gotta be tough.
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@Rachelspiks how many kids you have affects me, i live in a society with you. it determines how many soldiers, workers, and taxpayers i have to levy towards goals. the more kids you have. the safer i am and the more taxes to pay for social programs when i retire
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@pjf1958 your generation has some serious misconceptions about adoption. it isn't 1850 we don't have giant homes of orphans to adopt.
if you want to adopt you will be on a waiting list for 3+ years, you will go through dozens of interviews and it will cost you 30,000 dollars at minimum
there are no kids to adopt - +1 y
Did I mention that we're already taxing the natural resources of our planet with almost 8 billion human being competing for fresh water, clean air, sustainable habitats, etc. Not to mention the poor health of our oceans due to over fishing, pollution which is creating vast oxygen depleted dead zones, the low salt content of the gulf stream current, which would be catastrophic. Just to name a few. So, any rationale you may have to continue to increase our population must have the foresight to incorporate the health and sustainability of our finite biosphere.
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@pjf1958 africa is overpopulated, india is overpopulated, china is overpopulated. not the west
"we" aren't taxing anything, they are. stop lumping all mankind together. the solution is to stop providing food and aid to the 3rd world and to watch them die - +1 y
I really do not care about how safe YOU feel, a stranger I haven't even met because he lives in a country I've never been to and couldn't care less about. You can find your "soldiers, workers and taxpayers" elsewhere, you're not getting them from me!
By the way, do YOU have any children? - +1 y
@pjf1958 they aren't the same as us. they don't share our values, they don't share our history
america is a country built on ideas, how can you maintain its existence if the people coming into the country don't share our ideas? - +1 y
This is not the 19th century, and the homestead act no longer applies. The only land that's available in the continental U. S. is either way too expensive, desert, to remote, or otherwise impractical. The values that were accepted at the turn of the 20th century, simply don't apply.
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@pjf1958 where did you get the ridiculous assumption that our values came from land distribution... that's bubcus, we've had the same values since the 1600s when john locke wrote tabula rosa and thomas hobbes wrote the leviathan
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@pjf1958 you can see my age hovering over my profile. and im still waiting to figure out how you came tot he conclusion that land distribution affects the values we have had for 100s of years. the basis of our culture lined out in the works of the founding fathers
+1 yBecause kids are why we all work at all!
When you choose the single life its like flipping the bird to your parents and the next generation.46 Reply- +1 y
No, I work for myself and no one else.
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@Rachelspiks and when you get older you will have young people working for you without contributing to their number.
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Now what are you going on about? What makes you so certain I'll even make it to retirement age?
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@Rachelspiks do your own thang, just don't be surprised if people with families do not want help you out financially. They have enough on their plate.
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Okay. So? Why should I care about people with children? I've noticed they tend to be boring, miserable and full of regrets, so I try to stay away from them if I can.
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If someone doesn't want to have kids, they probably won't be the best parent a kid can have. I don't feel any obligation towards my parents to make them grandparents, and I don't feel any obligation for the next generation either. There are plenty of couples who get 3, 4 or even more children, there's still a substantial amount of immigration towards my country in the upcoming decades, so I don't know why I should give up my freedom to get kids.
The argument that when you get older you will have young people working for you without contributing to their number is a joke. I'm now paying a lot of taxes, which families with kids get back as child benefits, childcare allowance, etc. I'm contributing more than enough to this society. I definitely won't be a better member of the society if I'm forced to raise an unwanted child, in fact, it would make me very unhappy.
3.7K opinions shared on Family & Friends topic. Everyone wants to have grand kids. My kids are all grown and gone and I am patiently waiting for the next generation of Exitsevens.
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@Apple1996 cool.
It's sort of coded in our DNA. So are a bunch of other things, but we go against them since we're "civilized". You do you though, shouldn't matter what's considered the norm since it's always changing.
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+1 yDepends on the neighbourhood I guess or the culture locally. Personally I have no issue and I have no issue not having them myself too. So oh well. But times thankfully are changing :) 😁
10 Reply346 opinions shared on Family & Friends topic. With the way that the world has changed in your life time. Wouldn’t be fair to bring children into the world to live through the things that seem to be in place to happen over the next lifetime.
Your body, your choice!10 Reply
+1 yI don't know. I love m boys SO much but if I had to do it again I wouldn't have had them.
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Cuz their father was an abusive alcoholic man. I should've never had kids with him.
+1 yBy some but it should not be.
my Sister decided years ago she would not have kids.20 ReplyThe roots of this disapproval lie in biological evolution. The survival of the species depends on reproduction.
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+1 yBecause everyone always thinks their opinions are right. I am one of those people that really doesn’t want kids and people tell me “you will change your mind in a couple of years”
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I just ignore it lol maybe they are right, maybe they are wrong as far as I’m concerned, I’m not worried about my future feelings, I’m worried about my now feelings which is, I don’t really want them
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you're not the first female to be on this planet these people know by experience...
even if they're not right with you most of the time they're right and that is more that sufficent. - +1 y
@wonderfulstafuon404 you can’t assume that you are always right. Personally I don’t see any positives on having children.
+1 yBecause some people will see it as selfish. Regardless of whether that's the motive or not having children is a lifetime responsibility than shouldn't be taken lightly.
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 ycuz it is apart of the paradigm. Have kids and work like a dog until you are 65. Basically live your parents life. Did you know working is the worst way to earn money? You provide a service or product for money not go and work lol. People just don't get it. Then when some 23 year old is making more than doctors who spent 11 years to become a doctor people think they are a genius or some shit. We aren't.
00 Reply502 opinions shared on Family & Friends topic. Yeah, you can deal with a fucking little brat waking you up at 3 in the morning while I sleep like a champ.
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+1 yIf you don't want kids, don't have kids. The only frown that matters is your own.
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+1 yI want kids but I’ve yet to find a woman who would make a decent mother.
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+1 yHaving kids don’t make you happy. Actually it’s the other way around. It’s a full time job with less satisfaction. I mean it’s k to have a kids depends on how you desire but having children is like old tradition when there are not many population in the world where people make a living by farming. They need a labor for field work so they get children. Other wise they can make a mess and drain financially and make you unhappy.
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children = mess. there are too many man children and women children ruining the world because of that.
+1 ycuz misery loves company 😂 people that have had kids secretly don’t want u to be happier than they are
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🎯 sounds about right
Cause we live in a society where only a few things are considered to bring happiness in someone's life and having children is the only of them most People can do
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