As people age their muscles get weaker, so things start to get saggy and shapeless if the person doesn't do anything to keep the muscles working. And just doing some cardio won't help, it won't keep your muscles strong and it won't help you maintain their size that much.
And before saying lifting doesn't help with cellulite I disagree. A woman may not be able to completely get rid of all the cellulite she has by working out, but regular exercises would improve a lot the appearance of it. In my case, my bum looks rounder and smoother than it did when I was skinnier. It is not perfect, but exercise and diet helped a lot.
It seems that they expect some magical female that is naturally perfect without doing anything.
And when I think about girl who lift I imagine something like this:Note that she still isn't perfect, but this is a good exmaple of what is naturally achievable.
I am not thinking about women on steroids like these:
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I find some of the responses funny because they assume a woman can actually end up with a lot of gains. I only gained 3-4 kg in my first year of training, and a good amount of it is fat. So I probably didn't gain more than 1-2kg of muscle. You are supposed to see the biggest gains in your first year, after that you will gain less. Basically I could never be jacked and my genetic potential isn't greater than how the first woman looks, which is probably the same for many women.
Why do many guys have a bad opinion about girls lifting yet at the same time they don't like stuff like cellulite, saggy and shapeless butts/boobs?
Because they (stupidly) assume women that lift weights will look masculine and unfeminine, which is a turnoff for them. Not to mention it intimidates some of them knowing women can lift heavy weights... pathetic. Unfortunately, some women have that mentality as well and think starving themselves or just doing cardio is enough to get in shape.
I used to be that way: I only did cardio (running, walking) to stay in shape and lose weight because I thought if I lifted weights, I would bulk up. But after doing research, talking to my dietician, and following different trainers on youtube, I started doing HIIT and strength training.
Not only did I lose weight, but now I'm toned and lean! I have muscle, and even though I weigh more than I would with just doing cardio, I look smaller :) Plus I love lifting heavy weights!!! It makes me feel strong and powerful.
If a man can't handle a fit, toned woman, he doesn't deserve to be with one.
Stupid is right. Even most men replying are missing what OP clearly stated... she isn't asking about the bottom pictures, where those women have certainly used help to get their bodies. She is talking about normal looking people.
@ApacheRose Thank you!!! A normal woman will NEVER get that big or muscular lifting weights- those women in the bottom pictures are obviously on something.
The rest of us that lift have usually look like the first two images. I just wish more people realized that.
@Games_ And what isn't nasty to you? You are very vocal around here, arren't you? I already stated that you guys don't like to see women with celullite or anything sagging. It is like you expect a magic female that stays forever young and beautiful. Also, do you lift? that is very important.
I have a friend from overseas who doesn't like her daughter to lift weights because she might get defined muscles. It comes from some old thinking back home. It used to be that way in the U. S. I agree on the fact a woman looks better as she ages if she does either at least some light lifting if she doesn't have a physical job or does work around the house/outside that builds muscle. Without muscles definition losing collagen in one's old age will take it's toll by sagging, etc.
I dont have a problem with either picture here. Dudes on here lie, there are a lot of guys who have a problem with it.
All guys say they dont mind until they are bench pressing 55 and she's doing 60. Or they dont lift at all themselves.
So dudes have a bad opinion because they are intimidated and dont want a woman stronger than them, which is dumb because if they put any effort into their bodies it wouldn't be hard to surpass. And two because a lot of men are looking for the woman from the magazines. That's not reality, because that is the product of a computer program.
I was shooting out a random number. didn't think that far deep on it. But your right, I haven't bench pressed in a while but since I do push ups quite a lot. I could see myself go from 60 to probable 200 in a years time.
I understand. I personally struggle with that much but i can do it. Most guys i know could lift twice that weight in just 6 months of training. I have been training for a year. Maybe for a smaller guy it would be harder but the average man wouldn't have problems like that. Generally an average woman would need to train for a long time to be as strong as the average untrained guy. But i agree that dislike of fit women may come from fear of emasculation. But that only shows how lazy some guys can be. I had to start weight training to be able to do pushups because I was so weak I couldn't do a single one. Meanwhile even the average untrained guy can do at least 1 pushup.
I personally believe it's where the world is headed. More and more guys I see and I classify them in both mind and body as weak. They are forgetting who they are and what their job is.
not just guys, girls too. People are more sedentary nowadays. Most girls are so weak they struggle with daily activities, like opening a heavy doors, lifting a gallon of water, climbing stairs, keeping their back straight. They need to train just to be able to do these without their heart rate going high immediately. If you look at the grip strength of people over the years now it is much weaker, for both men and women. Men used to do hard work in the past, fight battles with heavy swords and shields, now they are out of bearth past the 3rd floor and worry about being overpowered by a girl that exercises without using steroids.
Yeah, I agree. 100% of everyone I work with is tired, this confuses me because I almost never run dry on energy. Every dude who isn't into fitness seems to have these odd health problems that prevent them from working out. I am not sure if they are making it up or what.
My apologies in advance for such an incredibly LONG reply. 😊...
I agree that some guys can have an issue with women lifting weights, and a worry that a woman will become "too muscular" or "masculine" looking (which is something I don't subscribe to at all). But respectfully, I'm not sure where your feelings about most guys disliking cellulite (or stretch marks) is coming from. 😊 From all the guys I have ever known and talked to in my lifetime, the vast majority of them either don't care/aren't bothered by it at all, and some are even attracted to it. Myself, I actually think cellulite is attractive and is not a "flaw" in any way, shape or form. 😊 Having it is certainly not a "prerequisite" by any means, but if a woman has cellulite, I am actually attracted to it. 😊
However, anecdotal "evidence" is one thing, but facts are another. And the fact is that, time and time again, with everything that has been asked here on GAG about cellulite and stretch marks, I consistently see 2/3 (67%) to 3/4 (75%) of guys who reply say it isn't an issue/they don't mind at all, or they are even attracted to it. There was actually a recent poll about cellulite here on GAG about a week or so ago that had over 300 male votes, and before the poll expired, 74% of guys had said, at the very least, it's not an issue. And again, in some cases guys were additionally attracted to cellulite, which I include myself in that group. 😉😊
Again, all the guys I have ever known or talked to who have mentioned cellulite and stretch marks, the vast majority of guys simply don't care. So respectfully, I'm not sure where the feeling of guys seeing it as a negative is coming from. 😊
However, with all that said, I totally agree that there seems to be a double standard about women who choose to work out and what many men deem as an "acceptable" fit female form. 🙁 I personally have no problems with any woman who chooses to be fit, or even muscular for that matter. I think female muscularity is beautiful as well. But there does seem to be a double standard with what some guys deem "acceptable", so that can certainly put added pressure on some women to feel they need to aspire towards an "ideal" look a certain way in hopes that they are seen as being attractive. 🙁 As someone who has a VERY wide range of body types and features that are attractive to me, I dislike how the culture of vanity insanity we all live in can damage women's self-esteem, and how it can also distort not only how we view ourselves, but also how we view others. 🙁 I wish that poll was still up, because I spoke at length about some of these issues with other women and had a few lovely conversations about it there. Including a very positive and uplifting one in private chat. (more)...
But you are also right about saying that exercise doesn't always eliminate cellulite either. Not only that, but both women AND men who have never been overweight in their lives can have cellulite and stretch marks. It's a misconception that "only overweight and/or obese people have cellulite/stretch marks" (I don't mean you necessarily feel that way, but just people in general). Neither does exercise completely eliminate it in many cases.
Bottom line is that cellulite and stretch marks are a natural thing for ANYONE to have. Sometimes it's just pure genetics, and in the case of stretch marks, they can even develop from sudden growth spurts or muscle gain as well. But in any case, cellulite and stretch marks are something that many people have, and it's natural nonetheless. I just wish this mostly unfounded stigma of them being "ugly", "flawed" or something that has to be "corrected" would be exposed for the silliness it really is.
Many women stress over having cellulite and/or stretch marks, and what guys might think of them. But In most cases, it just doesn't match the reality of what most guys ACTUALLY feel about them. But it's sites like this that can help expose the truth and the reality of what a lot of guys actually think about it. And to be clear: guys who say they don't have any issue with it don't say so because we "have to", or that we say these things to "make women feel better", but because that's how we GENUINELY feel about them! 🙂
But it was SO refreshing to see so many positive comments from women and girls about cellulite in that poll from a week ago. Many of the words they spoke about it were not only words of acceptance about it, but words of truly embracing it in such a body-positive and healthy way. 🙂 It was so beautiful and amazing to see. It gives me so much hope that these mostly unfounded stigmas are beginning to change, and that women are starting to see these things in a different light. It was awesome to see and it genuinely made me happy. 😊
"As someone who has a VERY wide range of body types and features that are attractive to me, I dislike how the culture of vanity insanity we all live in can damage women's self-esteem, and how it can also distort not only how we view ourselves, but also how we view others. "
Spot on. I like your other thoughts as well, but this one in particular really hit the home base.
@CreativeMumble Thank you! You're too kind. 😊 Like I mentioned in my post, I went into some of these issues a lot more in that poll. I just wish that poll was still up so I could link to it.
I know it seems like a silly thing, but the whole stretch mark and cellulite thing is something I am relatively passionate about here on GAG. Simply because there seem to be so many concerns from women about having it, and how they may be perceived by guys. I can only hope that the many questions and polls here on GAG is enough to help women see that having cellulite or stretch marks isn't a "curse" and it certainly does not make her "ugly" or "unworthy". At all. There are plenty of guys who simply aren't bothered one bit, or can even be attracted it it. So if there's anything I can do to add to that positive (and genuine) narrative, I do what I can to share my opinions and observations to help anyone I can to feel better about herself (or his self). 😊 Because nothing makes me feel worse than someone who feels bad about themselves. Especially for something that is so natural, and for something that can even be seen as beautiful. 😊
Anyway, thank you for your comments! I'm glad some of what I said resonated with you. 😊
Most of the opinions of those guys have nothing to do with understanding lifting weights or putting on muscle. And everything to do with cross-referencing their personal experience with girls they were attracted to and using that to determine what they like a girl to do and not do.
Likely those guys go into their heads and picture a girl whom they knew growing up who was always in shape, didn't work out very much, but was definitely appealing. Maybe she even played on a sports team but never lifted weights. Whatever it may be. That's still going to be something that shapes what they find attractive.
If they didn't know any girls growing up who lifted weights and looked good at the same time and the only reference experience they have with girls lifting weights are that of girls in magazines or on Instagram who actually do have rock-hard muscles like bodybuilders and likely use steroids. Yeah, those guys are going to be turned off by girls who lift weights because that is the model in their mind. The muscle-bound girl, with a six pack amd diesel shoulders.
Personally I like girls who workout, but I don't care if they lift per se. Just stay in shape. Whatever that looks like to you.
You are trying to have us choose between two extremes, but those are not the only choices.
Most men would be fine with a woman with a bit of definition, like the top picture, but the bottom picture looks way too masculine, and turns most men off. There are exceptions, but if you are trying to appeal to most men, that's too much.
Men don't want zero body fat women - women's bodies need to have some fat and some curves and smoothness. Bulges and cuts - that bodybuilding look, is only attractive to a small percentage of men.
I agree with you emmily2369. I surf, hike and cycling A LOT and i have noticed a reduction in muscle mass. Time to start hitting the weights. nutrition and rest are super important also. Thanks for the reminder.
But to answer your question Emmily 2396, I think some guys are intimidated by girls that workout for many reasons and so talking down about girls that pump iron and so that's their reaction to hide there insecurity issues, I'm guessing. Personally I'm not one of those guys. Though im not crazy about the look that girls die hard lifters get (even without hormones) but if it makes them feel better about themselves, then to each there own. I like when girls work out regularly and take care of themselves. Exercising both the mind and body are super important in my book.
Because there is a happy medium. Most guys I know, including myself don't have a problem with a girl who lifts. Now there is a big difference between staying toned and adding excess muscle your body wasn't designed to carry. Excess muscle on a female simply isn't attractive to the majority.
I find it funny because I have been lifting for about a year now and I only gained like 3-4 kg and I think half of it is fat. And you are supposed to see the biggest gains in your first year. So basically I could never end up jacked.
They don't. Guys don't like muscle that's all. If you work out and tone then most guys are going to be perfectly fine with it and some will love it, but the issue is when you get women who body build, that's a huge issue, and women who work out to the point where they have no fat on them (because that means they have smaller butts, smaller breasts, and are less feminine as women genetically have higher body fat pecentages then men do. They don't have to have fat on them per say, its only an issue when it starts to affect the shape of their bodies).
Any bad opinion I have will be less about her lifting, and more about the obsessiveness with which she is doing it. "Obsessive" to me is going to the gym 5 or more times per week for more than an hour at a time. Working out to be healthy or to maintain a specific body shape as you age is great. But doing it because you "have" to look like a super model or professional athlete strikes me as a bit narcissistic. It also indirectly pressures me to match her obsessiveness in order to "qualify" being with her. I work out, but I have no desire to go crazy about it; especially after everyone keeps saying that working out is only 20% towards looking good (diet being the remaining 80%).
I really enjoyed my partner working out, until she surpassed my own strength. At first it was fun having a fit girlfriend, but the turning point came when she knocked my out when we were having sex. I had no idea what happened, I just woke up on the floor next to the bed, where she was sitting smoking a cigarette. When I saw her she snuffed jt out on her own palm and said, "about time, get ready for round 2". Then there was the humiliation of her practicing her wrestling holds on me. You see, she got into freestyle wrestling from some workout buddies and needed someone to help her train. It was horrible, my spine was permanently damaged from a piledriver into the concrete floor. She still cared about me, I'm sure--even when she made me live in a closet with two other men and told us that she owned us. Badically, it's up to your preference.
where does That even happen? What kind of crazy boys are you hanging out with? i suggest you change who you hang out with but not with these group of boys. You'll end up getting bitter at men 💔
I literally met a guy who was against me lifting. Most guys that lift didn't say anything bad, unless it comes to a woman that looks like the last one.
no, he was more into martial arts than lifting. He trained a bit, but it was rather to help him fight better. Most guys I know that lift never feel threatened by a girl lifting.
We have a bad opinion about girls who lift and look like the second examples you gave. I don't know a single guy that has something against fit, but not men look a like girls. We love them actually. What some guys might be is not well informed. They probably think as soon as a girl picks up a dumbbell she will gain huge biceps, toned back muscles, super thick legs and a beard. Ence their bad opinion of them. They need to learn that there are many kinds of training depending on a person's goals. You can get jacked by lifting weights, but also just lean and toned.
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Literally no guys have a bad opinion about a girl who lifts as long as they don’t go as far to be like the steroid girls in your last picture 🤦♀️🤦♀️ you’re literally just trying to start a question out of nothing
Girls who lift are sexy as fuck, most guys who don't lift don't like it when girls do because they feel emasculated, or they're influenced by society and form the opinion they look "manly".
I would love to be with a girl who's fit and regularly goes to the gym, they're the girls i'm most attracted to tbh.
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Every guy is different and has different tastes in women. But in general guys prefer femininity, not masculinity, and muscles are masculine. But again, what level of development one guy will find acceptable will different from the next guy. Personally, I find all of the girls pictured here to be too masculine for my tastes, except the one in the red bikini because I can't tell fro that angle and can't really see her upper body very well.
Also, keep in mind that this isn't really a matter of choice or opinion... it's a matter of attraction. People are attracted to what they are attracted to.
Throughout four years of university I attended the school gym daily. I lifted weights daily. I never heard one single complaint.
by the way those images you present are more bodybuilders than normal weight lifting for women. Even when I was working with livestock (cattle & horses, animals that weigh in at 1,000+lbs) years ago I was never that overly muscular. Most women maintain just enough muscular to be fit.
Women should lift weights! Resistance training is just as important as cardio for staying healthy. When I see a girl lifting it tells me that she cares about her health and seems more confident. It seems like too many women are afraid to touch weights
I love when women lift. The reason some guys have a bad opinion of wmdmt lifting is because they are stupid. Lol. In other words, maybe they are insecure or maybe they believe lifting makes women bigger when it does the exact opposite.
It’s all about preference. The best way to look feminine as you age is to do yoga, dancing, proper diet and intermittent fasting.
40 something women who do dancing, yoga or ballet look very graceful and feminine. You can still be very sexy being a bikini model at 40, but that’s if you only want to attract fuckboys.
In most of my teen years I kept fit training for mountain bike racing. Even then, I didn’t have what could be considered an athletic body since I had some curves. Not fat, since I was well toned. Right now it’s obvious that I’ve had kids, but pregnancy did not keep me out of the gym. Maintaining a fit lifestyle is something I want to pass on to my children.
What guys have a bad opinion about girls lifting and why do you care what they think? I lift in the gym and I love my body and I really could care less what someone who puts 0 effort into their appearance and someone I actually could care less if they find me attractive thinks. Change your mindset! Why do you care what these guys think? Lift if you want that body. Don’t lift if you don’t.
I think when you say "Women who lift" maybe most guys stray into the territory of the two bottom women, some may say it is less feminine. I have no issue with them and respect their fitness and dedication. The group of fit women you pick should be majorly attractive to most guys - The only reason I can think of is a kinda of insecurity, she is in better shape than me or looks so good, she will leave me for guys to be negative about them though it says more about the guys than the girls.
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