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Gregs, look up "small minority of women" do act like this but 90% of women aren't so called dinner whores.
NMMan, sorry :s I caught that mistake a little earlier on, I didn't mean to say that all men are undeserving of women. That would kind of kill the point of the article. I meant that all men are thought of as undeserving by other men etc but I skipped over finishing that train of thought and jumped back to the first point. Not the best way to write an article.
I thought this was a very interesting article with some valid points...I just have one point to raise. One sentence late in the piece begins with, "So can you stop treating us all like a package deal?"
But just a few paragraphs prior to that, these words were written, "You are all collectively arses...stop looking at other men as undeserving of the girls they score. They're not. You're all undeserving." So we men can be generalized, but can't do any generalizing...interesting.
I don't think many girls who have time and money spent on them on "dates" consider their date a "friend." Looks like you're doing something wrong.
The category is under "dating". Plus honestly, it's clear to me from your previous answers that you're pushing a different agenda. I'm not interested in discussing that with you here because I've laid out the terms for what this article is about and who it is for -> good guys who don't want to turn into assholes in order to find a girlfriend.
You don't know what you are talking about first of all, and secondly you never said anywhere in your article that it's about "dating". The dating game is designed for men to lose. I'm saying you DONT need the dating game to be in a relationship with a woman, you can bypass all the bullsh*t and get her into bed as soon as possible and from then on choose to be in a relationship or not. I'v fallen in love and been with girls for over a two years but I never waited 3 months for sex.
Buddy, I never said I'm against anyone who wants to get laid. If you want to get laid, fine, go ahead but you can cry about that somewhere else. I'm not against casual sex. But this isn't about that. Like I said before -> this article is in the "dating" category. It pertains to men who want to date.
I'm not even going to start talking about PUA. All I'm going to say is that if you need to manipulate women to gain confidence, that confidence is coming from a very superficial place.
Ok, it looks like the true you is coming out. First of all I do have a girlfriend at the moment and yes the pick up books do work and have improved my life beyond anything what it was years ago. I don't have much space to type these comments so I'll make this short, I don't like the kind of person you are, not everyone needs to have a relationship if the DONT WANT TOO, some guys and GIRLS want to get laid and I never judge a person by how promiscuous they are.
Have those pick up books found you a girlfriend? Did being a jerk better your life? No. You probably got lots of ass but like I said, this article isn't about having random sex. It's about entering into a meaningful relationship with a girl.
If you're crying because you haven't gotten laid, I can't help you and maybe you should read up on some PUA if you're that desperate but if you can't find a good connection with someone from the opposite sex, maybe there is some truth in not being a jerk.
That's exactly what I did, I turned into the jerk women want rather than the friend I'd rather not be. I understand that your going after the guys that don't learn, that soak around and start to hate women but it's a stage "nice guys" need to go through. I like your article and it gives those nice guys a kick up the butt but I disagree with you having a go at pick-up books because some of them are really good and you can't honestly tell me you never read any dating advice.
I don't know about that, Gregs. Taylor Swift isn't the only girl sitting around and waiting for her best friend to realize that he belongs with her. Being jaded isn't an experience exclusive to men. Whatever the gender, it's important to brush off the bad experiences and quit moping around. If you let your misgivings bring you down, trust me, they will and you will stay like that for a long time. You just need to try to learn from your mistakes and move on.
One of the definitions of "Jaded" is to become cynical by experience, and if that was what you meant then it's true, I and many men have become jaded, jaded from having women cry on our shoulders about men who treat them like crap but going back to them, jaded from being led on and on only to find out you will only be "just friends", jaded for doing things for women only to later learn that being nice to a woman only makes her desrespect you more. Your a woman so you don't know..
As for your comment about my perceived prudish behavior. There's my point. If all you want to do is f*** me, then go ahead and get it from someone else. Like I said in the article, if that's all you're after, then these rules don't apply.
The article isn't for men who feel rejected because the girl won't go home with them. That's a separate issue. It's for the ones who are looking for potential girlfriends and can't find a way to connect with women.
A girl came and said she would stay with me for a few days and she slept in my bed for a month. One day she invited me to my friend B's house (F-same age as me) and two other dudes were there. One of them got too drunk and tried to touch her, she wouldn't let me clear things up since we were not dating. She was shocked that I was jealous and I think I did feel disrespected. I now consider her a friend but she is bothered by that. She likes to have sex with me but I don't know if it's good to continue. I'm so confused. Oh, I didn't know this girl when she came into my house lol so it's all ridiculous
See, I fall into the category were I don't feel like I deserve them, even if they do date me! I've posted several questons on it. I don't think it's cynical, from my experience of it almost all guys have that sort of game about them, Probably 90/10 split.. I don't know that much about feeling rejected, it's only sort of happened once, even then I didn't ask her out. She is probably the best looking and nicest girl I know so yea it sucks, but I can't hate her, It's not her fault she feels thatway
Jonny, I'm not cynical enough to believe that all men are like that but I do agree that some are and that even the ones who aren't have a little part in them that is like that. I think being rejected is something that's very difficult to deal with and that when it's done by someone who may be a 10, you'll take it hard regardless of your intentions with them. It's easier to revert to the it's-because-she's-a-bitch rather than the it's-because-I-don't-deserve-her.
I'd say this does fit the majority, I believe a lot of guys don't like the rejection because they'd prefer to date a gorgeous girl for 'point scoring', more or less just to date them and dump them purely for the credit of dating them. I've seen it many times, it's pretty pathetic, I'd say there is a lot more flaws in males than females, but there ar always exceptions.
Wonderful article.. but unfortunately.. if it's aimed at guys who are already jaded.. it's sadly a waste of your time & internet space..
guys are unrealistic sometimes.. they're critical of girls being superficial & picky.. but never look at themselves being the same way.. and just expect to be unemployed fat slobs scoring with CEO supermodels.. and if that never happens.. they can't accept that it's a problem with them.. oh no.. it must be girls' fault..
But neither is the good guy act either. I'm the guy that has people tell me "just wait, the right girl will come along". But I'm not content with waiting around while the rest of the world is getting their fun out, then I'm supposed to get the choice? Am I jaded at BOTH genders?
Not sure if I'm jaded or not. My generation (Generation Y I guess, 1989) along with guys a little older than me are the ones leading the way in the whole "bad boy" persona. Maybe its a good thing, it seems that us males are breaking away from the negative effects of radical feminism, which would be the classic "Men are pigs -> don't act like a pig -> in turn, don't act like a man" argument. But the thing is that I'm not good at the bad boy image, its not really comfortable for me...
Very well written! You got down a bunch of things that took me YEARS to figure out on my own, since I used to be the guy who kept going after the wrong kind of girls, and not understanding why they treated me like that. Got you everything spot-on, and a lot of guys really are like that, close-minded and thinking only about themselves. I also like how you admit that some girls do have a part in why guys think like this. There is a general trend within girls that leads men to hate them sometimes.
Epiphanies: I'd say it's more to do with the the term "bad boy" emerging over the past decade which guys don't want to be which resulted in the rise of the "nice guy who's not so nice". As you said, this type of nice guy has the habit of being a massive centre of self pity having already shed his independance in order to not be branded the bad boy and don't get why girls aren't chasing him.
Thanks, Irrelevance. I wouldn't really call myself a man-hater, more of a sad-man-hater maybe haha. I agree with your idea about taking the dating game too personally. A decade ago, feminists were worrying that the only place women look for validation is the in opinion of men. I wonder if that problem is starting to plague the other gender as well.