Ask to an AI Persona
Athletic Chloe
Whether you need tips on improving your game, insights on fitness and nutrition, or just want to...
Travel Buddy
I'm your go-to travel companion, passionate about exploring new destinations and experiencing...
Cinematic Lily
With my rich background and passion for the arts, I share insights on films, TV shows, and...
Gamer Bella
With my passion and experience in hobbies and leisure activities, I'm here to offer personalized...
Love Doctor Brad
Welcome to the heart of understanding and transformation. I am your guide on this journey to...
Fashionista Amy
I'm here to inspire and guide you with a touch of latest trends or advice on personal style.💅👒
Advisor Smith
With years of experience guiding individuals in their education and career paths, I'm here to...
James The Foodie
From savoring Italian classics to discovering the bold flavors of Japanese cuisine, I explore...
Click "Show More" for your mentions
Most Helpful Opinion(mho) Rate.
Learn more
Learn more
We're glad to see you liked this post.
You can also add your opinion below!
Girl's Behavior
Guy's Behavior
Flirting
Dating
Relationships
Fashion & Beauty
Health & Fitness
Marriage & Weddings
Shopping & Gifts
Technology & Internet
Break Up & Divorce
Education & Career
Entertainment & Arts
Family & Friends
Food & Beverage
Hobbies & Leisure
Other
Religion & Spirituality
Society & Politics
Sports
Travel
Trending & News
What Girls & Guys Said
Opinion
200Opinion
We were raised by your generation. Most of them were lazy parents that never put anything into us. A lot of divorce, many more of us than your generation come from broken homes. Our Fathers were often either weak or just not there, our teachers were mostly women, therefore we had no male role models.
The older generations like to tall shit about ours, and a lot of the things you say are true, but we were raises by yours.
I am unfortunately born in the same generation as these poor excuses for men. I was very lucky to have the father that I have because he is a good example on how to be a man and how you should present yourself to a woman.
Alright, shut the fuck up. In this day and age, it's pretty much the great depression but with whiny feminazi's and obese bitches going around and chanting about body shaming. Nah, as sad as it is, you shouldn't really expect them to dress perfectly for a date. A plain t-shirt and some bluejeans is normal at this generation.
Get over it
I have to agree with her, guys nowadays don’t really care about their appearance. Just remember that not all men are this way. There are some who are/have been raised to show respect with their image for the occasion.
Clean shave makes me look gay, I did it only once... As for the haircut, Being well dressed and complimenting, I do that... Not out of "self-pride" or to impress her or anything, but as something of a personal preference...
That guy was sure Being sloppy and it shows the lack of energy and all that
BUT
You are not that girl, sho probably sees something in him that you couldn't see while judging him on his looks. I know that you're quite old and all but being open minded is still important...
For me, personally. I have no idea how to dress nicely. Half the time I think that I look nice, but I probably just look bummy xD Like what is a good pair of shorts to have other than cargo? Where do I get a shirt that doesn't make me look like a bum that isn't $60+. I don't want to look like no ed hardy douchebag, but I could definitely use some suave pointers. Help a clueless guy out here (x
YouTube gentlemans Gazette and literally countless others.
Duuuude, trust me I'm all up in that shit, but books and videos don't know me personally
Some of the men responding are blaming feminism for the disappearance of manliness. While I agree that feminism is a disease, it shouldn't be used as an excuse to not be a man.
Riiight easy to say when you don't risk being locked up for expressing your natural masculinity...
@ponchoboy42088 can you explain or give an example of that?
I agree! I've always argued that many women are degenerate as fuck these days, but so are the "men"! What these ball-less slack-jawed mofos in our generation don't understand is that women have followed us into degeneracy, and they'll follow us back out - most of them anyhow.
As for OP chick and her Q. We can all agree with her sentiments, but even she has outdated motions of masculinity that themselves were more about being an economic SLAVE than FREE man. Being clean cut/shaven for two millennia has been a sign for soldiers, and surfs. Both of whom carry out orders unquestionably.
It's like giving a nurtured child a gun or a sword, he can't think for himself but sure as shit he's gonna blow some things and people up. Masculine though? Don't think so. Anyhow you likely get my point by now.
Nutured*
Feminism is not a disease you are a
@FreshOutaIdeas Yes I agree
@Som123 Can you explain why you disagree? I assume that you support feminism?
I disagree because Feminism means Equality of Any person under the sun irrespective of Gender SO Race
@Som123
No. Feminism was only ever invented to warp feminity (and thereby masculinity), and to coerce them into the workplace; not for "liberation", but so that the rich (((elites))) could tax an extra half of the population... It's all designed to enslave us...
Femininity*
I don't think it's true for all guys, but I think since it's a lot easier to connect with people these days, it's easier to drop people too. So guys think they don't have to put in as much effort because it's not as big a deal to not get with a certain girl because they'll find someone else. In the past, you had much more limited choices so you always put forth the best effort.
Just my humble opinion.
I think it's more a lazy thing, not putting in enough effort.
A lot of people not just men don't care about impressing their date. I wish men would step up and at least make an attempt.
Maybe they don't know how to dress themselves.
And? We could say the same about women who think they need fake tans and fake butts and boobs and dolling themselves up to looking like prostitues but you don't see me sat here complaining.
I dont expect a date to get dressed up unless stated before hand. Times have changed. Also people are poorer in general than previous generations, and therefor can't always afford to look nice. Stop judging why a girl like her would be with a guy who doesn't get dressed up. Maybe she isn't shallow.
Last weekend I went on a first date with a woman I met on Bumble. We were going to go for coffee but decided to go for Mexican food. I wore pressed chinos, loafers, sport shirt and a sport coat. My date (who I am seeing again this weekend), complimented me.
I act and dress the same way as the previous generations did, I'm old fashioned. But I am afraid I can't explain away the failures of my generation.
Also no one should ever date a man who's main choice in shoe-wear is flip flops.
On the personal pride, I dont feel that clothes have anything to do with my pride. I'm a hardworking, charming individual even without clothes. Also who are you to judge if that woman thinks he's worth her time. He could be the nicest, most chivalrous, and supportive guy that ever lived. You're superficially judging the him by his looks. Just because you dont like the way he looks doesn't mean she feels the same way.
I'm surprised she didn't dress down. I've done something similar and my date would just run back inside her place and throw on jeans and a nice blouse. Must have been a communication breakdown. FYI... not everyone dresses up when they go out nowadays (destination dependent).
I think it has to do with a mix of arrogance and contentment. The idea of "hey she agreed to a date, no sense putting more effort in.". It's frankly embarrassing to me personally. I was brought up by my parents, my grandparents and my cousin. It's not a matter of simply showing up and having laughs. You need to make a good impression, that you actually respect your date enough to not embarrass them by looking like a slob.
A generation ago? You ARE aware that a generation ago was the 1970s, right, the highlight of the Led Zeppelin, Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, bearded, long-hair, frayed jeans and sandals era, aren't you?
That's not a generation ago- thing 1950-1960
One generation ago FROM THE PRESENT DAY is NOT the 1950s. You have gone senile. A generation ago from the PRESENT DAY is the 1970s. Generations are roughly 30 years in length.
Here, let me clue you in a bit more. This is based on principles first published in the book "Generations: The History of America's Future". It is rough estimates of the birth years and "culturally dominant years" of the past few and present generations. Of course, there is a lot of overlap at each "edge". The borders are not rigid and strict. I predict that people will be stupid enough to not understand this. Right now, "Generation X" is culturally dominant. Sorry Boomers, you are now almost all into retirement. The Millenials will start to slide into dominance beginning around 2025.
Birth Years Dominant Years Generation
1860–1882 1901–1924 Missionary
1883–1900 1925–1942 Lost
1901–1924 1943–1960 GI
1925–1942 1961–1981 Silent
1943–1960 1982–2004 Baby Boomer
1961–1981 2005-2018 X
1982-2004 waiting Millenial
2005-2018 waiting Z
God.. As if women haven't ever dressed inappropriate. Please stop blaming genders and start considering society. Or tell me what has happened to women..
Flirted with this gorgeous innocent girl, all kinds of signals going on for months. Finally put myself together and asked her out for dinner in public. Turns out she just want to watch Netflix and fuck all night.
Poor you
Private profile looking for a reaction? One of how many accounts? :D
Wdym?
I can only speak to what I hear from other guys and that is this, that we cannot do anything right now no matter what we do now. We can be the nicest guy in the world and all that happens is that we get told we didn't do one tiny thing right. When you believe that is the case, why are you going to try? The answer is you're not. Dave Chapelle was right when he said, "Chivalry is dead and women killed it". y'all did!
Some do. Some don't. So what. It's up to you to choose what you want. What's acceptable or not. This isn't a general thing, it's a simple observation. And this is what DATING is for - to discern, to assess, to decide if they're a match or not, are worthy of your investment in time and emotion. Most will not be.
Appearance isn't everything, or much of anything to be honest. You can shine up a "nice-looking" car, but if it has a bad drivetrain who wants that?
Maybe she doesn't like guys who are dressed up. Being in a relationship is all about trust and the comfort of being yourself. A class-A jerk knows he can get dressed up if he knows that's the rules of the game certain women play by. As long as they respect each other, what's the issue?
It's not that they'll be old school... they're just gonna be old.
Also that's not a good example. What were all of the other patrons wearing? Nice but not upscale - sounds casual. Lbd is casual and so was his outfit. It's pretty normal. When guys have need to dress up they do, and they clean up well. Unless a restaurant has a dress code he can wear whatever he wants. Mind your own business next time.
I think she was saying he didn't try to look presentable for his date. He was too casual for the date while the girl put a lot of effort into her appearance.
It's hard to say the girl put a lot of effort into her attire though. The little black dress is versatile in that you can pick it up off the ground and wear it almost anywhere. And also OP could be exaggerating the extent of the guys shabbiness. I agree with the hat thing though, because that is rude, but I don't agree with everything else.
The woman might dress up because she has low self esteem or the guy might have money and think he doesn't have to dress up to get girls. Usually when a hot girl is with an ugly guy who doesn't make an effort - the guy has money.
We're all different, but todays gen has got a lot of people being like that, well, the wind blows to many places.
Me personally, I try lookin good with a nice jeans (I usually wear jeans, got used to it) and a nice sharp t-shirt, but well, my acne isn't helping 😂😂😂 and I'm only 15
I dress to the nines when I go out on a date. I haven't met a woman that does the does the same.
I don't know but all I know is my last boyfriend only wore suits/ties/dress shoes with his hair done nice etc with perfect manners and gentlemen habits,
But he ended up being a psychopathic, lying womanizer.
In short, I'm going back to guys with earrings, sweats and vans.
Feminism. that happened.
And it killed chivalry, killed respect on most women, destroyed basic morals under the name of "freedom". and its not even over yet.
If feminism is preaching for equal rights... shouldn't that kind of mean that both females and males are expected to dress up for dates?
^^i mean in the general sense, because obviously some feminist movements are really ruining their right for respect like you said
☺️ yep, ur right.
i meant third wave feminism ruined a big part of the fabricate of society, the symbiosis of men and women,
so now a lot of men just gave up on women and dont give a damn 🙃
thank god not every women, not every men, but the phenomenon itself is most probably somehow rooted there
Yeah I can see that... I was one-time helping out with carrying something heavy for a school event, and I didn't think much of it, so I carried what I could and it ended up being the only thing left in the car, and then I looked up at the guy next to me to close the door of the car for me since I was carrying it all (and it wasn't all that light)... and he just looked at me and said writhed with sudden bitterness "hey, feminism right?"
I just stood there shocked.
Inside, I wanted to smack him because it was rude and had nothing to do with feminism... but if he was gonna be a jerk about it, I wasn't gonna ask him for help.
I had to open the door to the building myself too, and he just walked in there like a prince. Really, I feel sorry for the girl that he marries and has to carry his baby for 9 months. Watch her water break and he just looks at her and said "hey, feminism right?"
I ranted (I know that's a word but sounds weird lol)... prolly at the wrong person too, but he really is an example of a guy that gave up on women I guess lol.
He's married now. I still feel bad for her even tho I'm sure he is incredibly nice to her.
I don't think nothing has happened to guys. Just like women say that they should dress however they want, let a guy dress however he wants. Not all men have to live up to your standards. Honestly, I could ask what the hell happened to women? Because to be honest women don't dress any better.
As to quote many women on this site ' we dress to make our selves feel good not to impress you '
Can't take it when we use the same reasoning as you for dressing they way we do , tough.
If we think we look good in those clothes that's all that matters to us.
Sure it isn't going to help on a date but your question is general
If specifically on a date environment the sure dress to impress but not in every day lives.
Yeah, I will get right on that. I can't wait to receive the generic compliment from my sister. "Wow, Dave, you look handsome!" If a woman outside of my immediate family said that I would be worried she's setting me up for a robbery.
So why would I spend all that money on clothes and go out of my way to look nice when nobody really cares?
People just don't care anymore. If I'm on a date I won't look bummy but I won't go out on a 'date' to McDonald's wearing a suit and tie cause I've never owned nor wore one. I won't spend a shit load of money on s on the me thing one time, but I won't wear slept in sweatpants, wrinkly shirt, haven't shaved in weeks, and hair in a mess either.
Yeah I am 30 and I have noticed that I am changing for the better and that I left the bad things in my life out of the question and perhaps I will be single for the rest of my life because not my parents were ever dating and having girlfriend just married people.
We realized women aren't worth the effort. We've got porn and videogames now, females are obsolete.
Especially now that so many women are fat, tattooed, pierced, promiscuous, boring, selfish, career driven and hypergamous.
And that's why I'm into older men. Guys my age just don't seem to care.
You sound like one of those girls who has sexual relations with her stepdad.
*Moans* "Uhhhh, spank me, daddy!"
My last date was with a tall dark and handsome man who was well dressed and groomed with very good manners. I felt so lucky! 😊
I prolly don't need to have full gear on so i can seduce woman.
My attidute and general look is my weapon.
If i wear nothing but a leaf on my di*k i can stil seduce woman.
Nothing to do with what you wear.
Some of us really don't need to try too hard.
Plus, women this days seems to like casual outfit more.
It isn‘t a woman‘s business what men wear when eating food.
There is nothing evil about shorts and long beards. Get over your sexism.
If women can reveal their legs and it is decent, then men can reveal their legs and be decent. Wearing caps ain‘t evil.
Wearing certain clothes doesn‘t determine your values. Grow up and quit being a wuss. Judge his personality, not his clothes.
dating is causal now a days. so a lot of people don't take it seriously. and some people don't date because they like each other they just wanted something else actually I like your times tho. because people date with someone because they love each other. and I don't think dress matter because if u love someone he/she looks amazing in everything. e. g my girlfriend always looks stunning❤😁
www.court-records.net/.../bratworth-shrug(d).gif
A lot of us don't really care about all that stuff anyway. I would much rather play video games and watch random TV shows and shit on my computer while wearing logo t shirts, a hoodie, jeans and trainers.
I take massive pride in my video game skills.
Hope they can help you with jobs and a career
www.court-records.net/.../bratworth-aha(d).gif
They sure do!
Because men are being shit on for their natural masculinity and natural interests and tendencies. Then people complain to them when they’re not manly.
Truth is we don’t know wtf anyone wants from us anymore.
Its because men are tired of putting in effort to look nice and take you out and end up getting hardly nothing in return so they just don't even try that much anymore even when they are with a girl they know likes them there is still less than roughly a 20% chance of them having sex at the end of the night.
Well looking like a slug won’t get you to have sex and yeah she might like you but women no in fact everyone wants someone that seems like he takes care of himself if he looks like he just closed his eyes and grabbed what ever is in his closet then there’s a very low chance of him even getting s girl interested and I lived through that I didn’t have the nicest clothes and after I started to take care of myself or looking like I care I met this beautiful girl we broke up thou 😂
I think this is the best song for your answer Mrs. Rhonda333. I think he also "wear" a beard a lot
*For your question
And before we can judge someone we must either take his/her shoes and walk the paths he/she walked then after that we can judge, or to look ourselves in mirror first and ask ourselves did we did everything right in our lives
Not tryna be funny be you choose to make a effort for a date the men dont have to and neither fo the women but you choose to i get what your saying but you dont know who them people were the woman might not care what he wears
Back then:
"What the hell happened to men? They used to smoke a pipe and have really nice mustaches"
Even further back:
"What the hell happened to men? Back then, men wore wigs and looked sophisticated."
Don't act like this is a male only issue. But to answer your question, it's a change in style. The way you're dressed in that picture would be seen as weird had you grown up in the 1800s. Times change and so do people
Love this question and reading through the comments ^^
Was the weather unbearably hot? I think I'd prefer looking into a non-sweaty face of guy in flip flops to looking into a sweaty face of guy in leader shoes.
Outfit doesn't matter that much anymore. Back in the days, sharp outfits would be hard to get and be considered classy. But nowadays, you dont need a classy outfit to be a classy boyfriend with a classy attitude.
You can't judge them from what you see. Maybe she likes her man to dress like that. Just because You like something, doesn't mean you have to bash on others for not being like that.
Plus, there are still plenty of men that take pride in their looks. Just like there were many men that didn't care a few generations ago.
The stupid gray masses follow classics and traditions to please others and to feel safe. This goes for fancy-ass clothes, even though they may be uncomfortable as heck.
The intelligent people aren't afraid to try new things, and dress the way they like, and how feels comfortable. They have other qualities that make up for how "nice" their clothes seem.
The last Classics Gentleman's in the earth are in Greece , but not for long the new world order, feminism and lefties , get us to. Don't really know what would be happen in next 10 years, i see younger ones with zero self respect and insecurities. I talking mostly guys under 25.
I don't know but most of the younger guys seem less sexist, racist, and homophobic than the last generation. I don't know about u but id choose a messily dressed respectful guy over a fancy man who thinks he's better than others cuz he's white and straight
This is so interesting to read!! There was a guy who was very much into me and he always smelled amazing and dressed so well near me so I know this doesn't apply to all guys haha
also he was my age so it's not an issue with the all of our generation
If she is wearing something uncomfortable for her on a date just to look good she is not my type
I wear whatever is comfortable
Most formal clothes I own are jeans and black shirt
What happened is qomen lowered their standards for men, so men accordingly lowered their personal standards. We don't need to have a job and a house and a car and goals to get laid anymore, all we need is appspace and drinkmoney.
If I dont know a girl well enough for us to just be able to go somewhere and eat in a chill and relaxed environment then I'm not interested in taking her on a date.
Hey when we work a lot to make a woman happy and make a life to to have the most things we need to live we don't have time to look good for other people we just do our best to give our ladies what the need that is love and what we need and one thing is not how we looks
That's a good question. Low self-esteem? Opposites attract? Maybe the repetitive representation of men being dolts in today's media doesn't help either? I'm old school too; I'd never dream of wearing shorts to church, for example.
YOU happened. crazy, control freak, superficial women like you happened to men.
well you're just nuts and you deserve who you get.
@Rhonda333 she isn't nuts, she's right. The OP is complaining about men not being how she wants them to be and so that means they deserve all these insults and criticisms. THAT is nuts. You'd flip your shit of roles were reversed.
its very ironic of you to call her nuts
i was referring to OP
@Fluffy5inch if the roles were reversed she would be a sexist chauvinistic pig. which she is.
Agreed.
Feminism happened. You guys won. You broke us down and turned us all into self loathing nihilists. Now why can't you leave us alone to live in our caves and die in peace.
oh my god 🤣
Bingo. Not sure about the feminism part however.
Most American guys are so sloppy. Come look at Italian guys or European men in general. Asian men and even lots of African men. Let alone latinos. They're all good. American guys just like the "bro/dude" kinda look, just like a college kid.
Damn you mad bro?
It's true, isn't it?
I entirely agree with you Ed. Guys in almost any other culture value their sharp appearance, maintain their grooming and dress as well as possible.