Why is the modern man disgusted with woman having normal natural bodies?

[ElissaDido]

I showed these photos to a group chat of North African /Maghrébi men to ask them if they thought the women on there were fat and they all said "not at all". However plenty of men called them fat in the posts. Talking to these men kinda relieves me because they're fit and young but don't care for insta perfect bodies and just want a pretty face with a good personality. As for the body they just a woman to be more or less average. A bit of chub is totally fine with them.
But this is not how I feel when I'm on Gag or other international social media platform, it seems that men only focus on women having super flat stomachband unrealistically big boobs and ass.

I think there is too much of an obsession surrounding women's bodies.
Women have no duty to work out 5 times a day in a gym in order to have the lowest body fat % possible.
Our ancestors would make fun of us for thinking that cellulite and stretch marks are a big deal.
I think it's fine for men to have preferences for thinner or fitter or thicker bodies and I'm in no way or shape saying that obesity is healthy in case someone will try to deform my point.
But having higher body fat % than men is totally normal and natural for women.

PS: I don't care if a man is slightly chubby or slightly skinny either.

[WhiteSteve]

People who insult people are usually insecure about something about themselves. Talking about what’s wrong or allegedly wrong with someone else is time focused on something other than their own insecurities and/or shortcomings, and that’s soothing to that person’s psyche, whether they’re aware of it or not. However, most of us have some degree of sympathy for others, so the majority of people are not outright rude in person unless they get angry. If that same guy says “Ew, Scarlett Johanssen, you really let yourself go and you look gross” to her face, he now has to deal with her reaction, whether she trashes him back, slaps him in the face, or just looks sad and hurt and starts crying. None of those responses feel good to a sane individual, in person, you would probably feel guilt and shame. The internet, for everything it’s given us, has also taken away: our accountability. It’s kind of the same concept as people driving aggressively or flipping you off or something, and then just zipping off without having to face the other person. So it’s almost like it didn’t even happen. I think a lot of people feel like that about Internet comments too. I think it’s like they’re not even talking to a real person on the other end, which I think is already an issue with celebrities, people treating them as some entity of fame and not a regular person just like the rest of us. And then of course you just have the crazy people, because everyone comes on the internet lmao. And Scarlett probably looks comparitavely better than these people saying that stuff anyway. The internet is the Wild West, no rules or parameters, so it will obviously be freak show at times. I think we all get to spending too much time on it and forget to interact in real life, the people seem much better there haha. But yeah, I don’t think most guys would kick either of those ladies out of bed for eating crackers😝

[JimmyQ]

It's your body, and it is the only one your gonna get in this life. I see people all the time, men and woman, that do odd stuff to their bodies. I don't know how others feel and don't really care. I keep my body in the best possible shape I can and feel that I deserve a partner who does the same. This isn't elementary school. No participation awards here. The hard fact is, genetics play a major role in what opportunities you may be presented and what you are able to do with the ones you do have been given.

People that say they are accepting of everyone are just politically motivated frauds. Everyone has preferences. The easiest way to shoot yourself in the foot is to look around at others and become angry or depressed because they are working with what they have.

No one in this world has it easy. Repeat that, No one in this world ever gets a free ride, and at the end of the day, the only person you need to make happy is yourself. Just go out and live your best possible life. Good things are sure to follow.

[sejla]

https://naldc.nal.usda.gov/download/IND43861419/PDF
In 1959 a 5' 2" woman weighed between 104 and 121 pounds. These were college women so probably not eating the best away from home.
In 2016 the average American woman who is just under 5'4" weighs 170 pounds.
Of course, men's weight has been increasing too.

We don't have to have perfect bodies just attempt to have healthier bodies. Weighing less doesn't guarantee health but being a healthy body weight does eliminate one risk factor. I'm not sure why there is such a struggle against believing there is a normal healthy body weight. Not that we can achieve but at least don't snow ourselves. Our body fat should be primarily in our breast and our hips/butt.

Post Note: I'm not saying I'm in perfect shape. I'm slim fat meaning I'm out of shape.

[MissDawn7961]

because some men have been brainwashed into thinking that a woman's figure should start out being - 36 , 24 , 36 - and after he has gotten her pregnant and had her baby then she should go back to her - 36 , 24 , 36 - figure ! while he becomes - fat , mean , smelly , toothless , bald and lazy ! not going to happen on the woman's part but it happens on the mans part daily ! thanks

[Djaay]

You know your right with white men. I've really noticed that myself. And then they're upset with the woman. How stupid.

[Blightly]

@Djaay Gotta live white guys expressing their white hate

classic

[Djaay]

Slightly. .. what are you insinuating ?

[ChronicThinker]

They aren't, women are just body-obsessed and disillusioned by social media and assume that because men respond to those body types means regular women are unattractive when in actuality, women are insecure and self-projecting onto men.

[BrianMerritt]

You are right. No magazine has ever come to MY door asking my opinion.

[Oram52]

And exactly is your definition of normal natural bodies? That they should not aspire to be fit? or within healthier weight range.

That's the thing with social media you will get negative opinions regardless. But 10% of men don't represent all men.

Scarlet still looks hot. Molly-Mae has curvier body, guys who are into curvier bodies would prefer Molly-Mae.

The Alpha Male guy sounds like those red pill guys they are misogynists.

Other than I don't see why we shouldn't expect fit partners. I keep myself fit why wouldn't I expect my partner to be fit, and not get fat?

I don't know why Maghrébi men don't. But I bet Western Maghrébi men certainly have same preferences.

I would need to know what do you mean though by normal natural bodies, and if that in anyway is connected with fat acceptance or that new body positivity.

Both genders have unrealistic expectations. But there should be no excuse to keep your self healthy, or to put effort in appearance.

[Scorpio_Rising]

They strike me as very sad men. Not sad, as in sitting in their basement all day long, watching porn. More on the lines of being actually sad. It could be anything from a wound of some sort. Down to something as dumb and dangerous as... "wait. I"M the one that has to CHANGE? I'm the one that has to improve? why can't i trash a woman verbally! but still get the goods! whenever I want! But then... Bash the men that actually get the fact that respect counts. It's just common decency. Every single woman in that picture looks happy. At least, that's what I see. Happy and confident. Relaxing! and doing them. I will openly say! I don't agree with everything that is going on. BUT! I'm getting a little tired of people using feminism as the mighty scapegoat. So! when those people are 40 and have a bit of a tummy, like the rest of us human friggin beings, were just going to all scream at them!! Feminism destroyed you!! sounds really retarded, eh? In final I say this. People can be cruel. I'm far from innocent. I have said a few things before. But, I grew from that. I found what caused certain things, and i corrected them. Some are just cruel. some are wounded. Some are jealous. I'm going to sound like an insane fanboy, but, I'm looking at it from a fellow human flow. I'll probably never meet any of them... But i wonder if anyone takes into consideration, that their words could do more harm than they know... Some say, how's that possible? I reply with... It's usually a build up over time, then, one word sets it off.

This is just my take on it though. I'm all for preference. Do you, ya know. But also... Ya just dont have to be so savage with how you treat your fellow human being... Simply when they only want to live and share with those that follow them

Welp. That's all I have. For the record, I'm new to the site.. so hopefully! my first time post won't get me crushed. Much love

[RolandCuthbert]

Young one, I would not put much stock into what a loser on gag has to say about women who are models or actresses. If you try to use what the males on this site say about women as a guide, you would be wound up in knots. If you get plastic surgery and put on makeup, they accuse you of being fake. If you don't, then you are fat and ugly. Spartan would not be writing about Scarlett Johannson if she supported his politics and crazed "White" supremacist nonsense. As you can see, he doesn't talk about Ivanka, KellyAnne Conway, Tom Lahren, etc.

So understand when he and his criticize women, it isn't about the criticism. It is about control.

And it is up to you to decide if you want have control over your own life, ideals and views or not.

[FakeName123]

It is not true, though. You are just seeing a few examples and let it be your confirmation bias.
In reality, if anyone is bodyshaming the opposite gender, it is women (which in my book has biological reasons).

Women rate only 12-13% of men as average looking.

On Tinder it is even below 10% of men being rated as average looking.

Tinder inequality in comparision.

[FakeName123]

And yes, I am aware that online dating - especially Tinder - attracts a certain demographic. But considering that this demographic is usually more shallow and hedonistic, it is actually quite accurate.

And in comparision men rating women almost perfectly to the average:

[ElissaDido]

Those websites are for hookups, so the only thing they put forward is looks. Although it is true that women rate men lower than men rate us, but I don't think it has an actual impact as women but less emphasis on looks than men do.

[FakeName123]

Which is exactly what makes it so insightful. It takes away all those other elements and comes down purely to physical, sexual attraction.

So yes, women also have other factors that play a role, but that doesn't change the fact that women are the pickier gender and not men - and thus disproving your original question.

[ElissaDido]

It doesn't disprove my point because my point was that men have stricter expectations when it comes to skinny - and fit bodies on women, which is the case.

I'm not saying women aren't pickier looks wise.

[FakeName123]

That really makes no sense when men rate women in an almost perfect median. Meaning that most women are perfectly averagely attractive - which is the point of averages.

So I have to strongly disagree with your conclusion here.

[mistixs]

Women are rated as better-looking than men because they ARE, because they put more effort into their appearance via makeup, plastic surgery etc. If men put as much effort into their appearance as women did, then they would be rated equally high.

[archiz]

I don't find scarlett in the first pic fat but out of shape.
The 2nd one is fine.
There is a difference between being fat and skinny fat.
As someone who is really into sports and eating well, I support having a healthy regiment.
Bot saying someone should train 5 times per week but I am sure he can find 3 hours per week to exercise.
Also having a healthy diet is crucial not only for a better physic but a better performance and mental health mainly.
So yea girls can stay natural, no need for surgery and photoshop but a bit of "me" time is doing you more a favour than the men.

[Passinggas]

You need get stuck on a connect at the airport or go to Walmart and watch the freak show. The average so called “natural” is not natural anymore. Most men and women are highly obese and risking serious health issues. There is too much fast food crap, being locked on phones and lying on their lazy asses. What is accepted as “natural” anymore is not natural. This is what really counts, not supposition: Women MenEssential fat10–14%3–5%Athletes14–21%6–14%Fitness21–25%14–18%Average25–32%18–25%Obese32%+25%+

[Passinggas]

bodyfat
Essential W10–14% M3–5%
AthletesW14–21% M 6–14%
Fitness W 21–25% M 14–18%
Average W25–32% M 18–25%
Obese W 32%+ M25%+

If you put calipers on those women examples, on those bellies and legs, they are most likely obese.

[Sensmind]

I agree, its like the normal range has been taking out of the equation - For me those two women in the question would be mid range within the normal bracket - The chub around the belly is just everyday life, we don't have 3 hours to spend in the gym everyday and can't resist the temptation of that bit of chocolate or glass of wine.
When I see your usual Insta Famous Model is often she would be stunning if she was just a bit more natural. Sometimes Girl Next Door trumps Insta Model in who you would like to take on a date.

[DevilsAdvocator]

Because the average 'normal natural body' for a modern woman has changed massively. But our tastes in women have not changed nearly as much.

And as much as you try to normalize it, the overwhelming majority of men will always find self-described "normal natural bodies" like these to be disgusting:

[VIVANT]

Wow what the heck i is size 3 feet lol ice he er heard of that. I always thought women in old movies look kind of stout and chubby 🤷‍♀️

[Budtwo]

I'm honestly shocked your letting the internet get to you,. It's called trolling for a reason. The second picture actually uses the word for f sake.

Now to comment about your question the natural human body is a work of art good food and standard work out (no gym just walking 10k steps a day works) will make most people look stunning the problem is two fold one Americans are a massive mixing pot of genetics and that means lots of things preference being a key word there. The other is junk food and a push to be super fcking lazy but attack anyone who thinks you're lazy makes questions like this common expand your horizons.

[jcclifton]

Well if your not going to have personalities.
Than I figure she might as well be smoking hot.

The blond in the pics could be a very beautifully woman.
As long as she is intelligent, confident, independent, had a good sans of humor.
Among other things.
I've been in very good relationships with girls not as good looking as her.
But they were all those thing and nice pepole at the same time.
I didn't have to put up with the insecurity.
Just like I'm sure you are a very beautiful woman when your not worrying about what the hole rest of the world is doing to you, making it so impossible for you to be hear.

[Cactusqueen]

There actually was a post here in fitness I believe about a gal who’d lost some weight. I personally thought she looked average but the amount of opinions that girl was chubby really surprised me. I’m not sure how we’ve come to have such unrealistic standards for each other.

[Ripper_E]

I don't see anything wrong with a woman that looks like that. Unless a woman is fit or skinny, she's going to look like that. Most women don't work out, or don't work out beyond cardio. If you only like women with very low body fat, you must not like women because women have more body fat than men.

[Anonymous]

Well it solely depends on if you're talking about *men* or "men".


*Men* - what I mean is real men. Mature, self confident, etc. The sort of guys who know what they want and really don't give a fk about what others or the latest trends say, think or do in relation to a woman's appearance.

"Men" - what I'm talking about is little boys trapped in adult bodies who lack the maturity, self-confident, etc. to be anything but shallow. They follow whatever trend is making the latest rounds (sometimes desperately) seeking approval or to be "cool".

[Justaskaway]

I don't know because I'm 21 and it doesn't matter. Not to be cocky but I'm pretty valued by women and they give me a lot of attention but I like girls that have a little more curves even with given the opportunity for a "perfect" girl. I've had this conversation with a lot of guys I'm friends with and we think it's because of our primitive nature and the social aspect of it. We only choose women that have good characteristics to try to promote dominance and to use as a trophy since our culture naturally has evolved into that.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

Speak for yourself, I like "women with good characteristics" coz they're sexy as fuck lol

[worldscolide]

Lol it's not modern men doing this... Who do you think sets beauty standards... It's other women based on some idiotic idea of what men want when they couldnt be further from the truth...

At least half of all body shaming comes from women... But hey it's only wrong when men do it right?

www.theguardian.com/.../half-of-misogynistic-tweets-sent-by-women-study-finds

[worldscolide]

And for the record the women pictured are definitely attractive, my wife has the body type of the second one.

[worldscolide]

And I dislike scarlet jo not because of her body, because she is a shit actor...

[Anonymous]

I don't think the blame can fall upon men only. Women are just as bad if not worse in body shaming. With the men on here you can't get a good feel on how men react most are trolls or creeps there is a small percentage who are actual here to give honest opinions on things. So the men who give opinions off of this site are probably more accurate.

As for the model, She has a realistic healthy body and I say realistic because the models who are super skinny and look absolutely perfect aren't and it isn't realistically healthy for them and quite dangerous. And Scarlett has a beautiful body. I bet if men got cellulite and other things a women gets there wouldn't be any fuss over it. Womens bodies are different from mens physically. We hold our fat differently ergo cellulite. Men can f off on that one.

[An_Impulse]

Scarlett is not fat but the last photo.. oh man.. There is something called Slim. And if you are not slim you go by the name 'Chubby' which means on the way to the being fat.

So being fat is natural. But it is outcome of being lazy. Eating badly.
I wouldn't say being fat is problem but. if you are fat and people are calling you fat.. Have an apple then go to run. Dont shove another burger into your mouth instead.

Well girls are mostly trying to be slim. But that doesn't mean there are guys who love chubby girls. As in the other side.. Some women like guys with body hair. Which i never understood why.

[cossidilla]

Yoo this is terrible woman think this because it goes for them too, or the men aren't the most handsome person in the world not to say he's ugly or anything. but they wouldn't even look at the guy so don't make us look bad because we like beautiful girls they are very attractive especially to guy very we get excited just to see a bra they where. but guys if we got to *bone her* "we chase what we like" the models and fine a porn stars "so if she wants a guy, shit work out. if you don't want a guy and don't want to be a couple or in a relationship requires two people to play there role". it's harsh but it's life f outta here with that it is what it is. oh an listen God made the eng language so if *I gotta boner* is the same as *I got to bone her* cuase where dogs animals and y'all say self control somethimes it's very hard. or vinager is bitter well if I say the n word it's bad to say cause white people used that word to put black people down its not right to say. Just saying

[cossidilla]

Women don't have to change there appearance but it's not to say she will attract many men. It's harsh but it is what it is if

[VIVANT]

The guys comment was really dumb. It’s embarrassing that he got all those likes from fellow dummies.

On the other hand being fit is healthy. Natural bodies like bodies in nature - are in use and have better muscle tone. They are not lounging around drinking Wine and texting.

If either of those women lived in nature they’d be way more toned.

Natural doesn’t mean chubby and out of shape. It means not artificially altered.