It's not "forbidden", it's just not a common byproduct of Westernised socialisation. The reigns on that socialisation tend to loosen and tighten along with the seasons of a given generation, though. Right now the reigns are actually loosening a lot, but that will be counter-balanced soon, so enjoy it while the getting's good.
Like how the 50s was kind of a meme of "stoic patriarchal masculinity", and men were pretty left-brain dominant, logical and orderly, but lacking in creative flexibility or emotional nuance.
Then in the 60s men started being more "in touch" with their "feminine side" and exploring right brain dominant pursuits like poetry, art, music, etc, all culminating in the summer of love.
Then the 70s was kind of a mix of the two, with an emphasis on personal responsibility and hard work, albeit in the absence of any hardship of the kind seen in The Great Wars of the early /mid 20th century.
And then the 80s saw the excesses of hard-line masculine ego run amok on wall street, the financial markets, the recreational drugs scene, etc.
Then the 90s saw more gender-neutral expressions, where men and women alike dressed and acted more according to a particular 'niche' rather than a specific gender norm, like grunge, goth, alternative, indie, etc. So guys and girls were less polarised in how they manifested their masculine and feminine natures, respectively. This was a generation of wanderers and introspecters trying to figure out where everything was leading to. They were generationally separate from the WWII-fighting generation, yet the failures of the Vietnam and Middle East invasions were close enough to mind, resulting in a strange mix of collective ennui along with anxiety for what the future holds. It was a languid period and the melancholy heard in likes of Nirvana, Nine Inch Nails, early Radiohead etc, were indicative of the lack of masculine ego or feminine turbulence.
Now since the 00s through to current year, we've fallen into an increasingly consumerist mentality, whilst also being self-aware of our own collective slavery to the dopamine-dispensing hamster wheels of social media, once-click shopping, digitally curated personas, etc; and yet seemingly unable to unplug from The Matrix, as it were. Consequently, the very notion of "masculinity" and "femininity" are being challenged like never before, as a postmodern philosophy of cynical moral relativism tells more and more young people that "gender doesn't matter, identity doesn't matter, you don't matter, nothing matters".
I wonder if the next cultural wave of the coming decade will see both A) a doubling down on this "everything is subjective, therefore nothing matters" attitude, and B) a groundswell of pushback against such claims that would seek to render masculinity and femininity redundant. It's already kinda starting, as seen in the "culture wars". Men are starting to take up more responsibility and look for meaningful existence as opposed to facile expedience and narcissistic obsession with leisurely lifestyle. And women are starting to buck against the hardcore "there are 564 genders" militant so-called feminists, and instead are speaking up about the value of motherhood, and community, and the need for romance and relationships rather than meaningless one night stands and facile recreations of monogamy minus all the love and affection (ie: fuck buddies).
That said, I think a more emotional or sensitive (by nature) man can navigate these turbulent times, constructing his own mythos of manhood by combining, to his heart's content, the logos of masculinity and the pathos of femininity. He'll face resistance from both of the extremes of the culture wars, but in my mind a "real man" for turbulent times is one who can straddle these opposing forces, and integrate the best of both while discarding the dregs.
I don't know. But at this point I wonder if it matters.
What matters is we have rational minds capable of changing how we act.
We no longer believe in silly things such as "men must be big strong leaders." Its complete fucking nonsense.
It's the logical conclusion of life in our past.
But now, we are mostly free human beings who live in a sandbox. Our lives are our playthings.
Once upon a time it was all about survival. A man's role is defined by survival.
Today, a man's role still exists. His role is to use his strength and explosive power (compared to females anyways) to maintain the wellbeing of those he cares about.
So let's say there is a fire in the house. There is no need to philosophize about who should pick up the kids, and run out the fucking house. It's the mans job. Really, it's the stronger and more fit person in a non man woman relationship. So does it even matter that you're a man?
We had an important role. That role is diminished. Logic dictates we form new more productive beliefs.
Telling men we must be big strong leaders and protectors in a world. where such a thing is non existent only makes men crazy in my opinion.
It's not "forbidden" per se, for anyone to whine and cry.
But it's better in general that adults, both men and women, have more control on their emotions and don't cry and whine for every little problem. Let the children have that priviledge as long as they are weak and helpless. Adults need to learn to be strong and sacrifice at least parts of themselves for the sanity and stability of their children and for the sake of all kids in general.
An overly emotional society that's alien with the concept of sacrifice will fail to protect and develop children and guide them to a stage of adulthood where they are ready to give, to overlook their own pains if they must and contribute to the greater good.
Also, we have partners for a reason. Your wife/girlfriend should not look down on you if you cried in her arms. That's what parents sometimes do when their children are having sweet dreams. Life is filled with problems and you never know when you need a safe space to burst into tears. But again, that is different than being emotional.
Sounds like you have women in your life that oppress that opinion onto you. I let my boyfriend cry it out, I let my boyfriend talk about his emotions, I ask about how my boyfriend is feeling all the time.
------------It's forbidden because men have been raised to take on the world and to not show emotions. So ladies if you want your man to open up you need to create a safe space for them to do so. A non judgmental zone.
Oh god man man up! Why is it forbidden for people to commit murder? Rape? Abuse? Why it it forbidden from driving the wrong direction on the Highway? Obviously because it’s counter productive. You don’t drive the other way in the highway cause you’ll crash… you don’t murder and rape because you can’t name a society that flourishes allowing such actions to happen so we made laws. For the same reason society thrives when men are men and women are women. Men are expected to step up and sacrifice themselves for the betterment of society so society encourages strength and shames weakness. Emotions are weakness when you have to lead. You have to lead your family logically to keep them alive then women use emotion to curb the cruelty of men and logic.
It’s a pretty idea for people to be whatever they want including the opposite gender or masculine women and feminine men but you can’t argue with results. Society is broken because people aren’t… right. We lost accountability. The minute we stop shaming women for being promiscuous or fat look at what happens. The minute we stop promoting the family look how men respond. Could people one day be interchangeably masculine and feminine? I hope so maybe… but splitting our focus between multiple goals has never been humanities strongest point and I dont trust society to accurately judge their actions and react accordingly. Pretty idea nothing more.
So, as I'm scrolling down to tell you that I'm an extremely emotional, sensitive person myself, I see that you apologize in advance for any possible bother you may be causing anyone. I gotta believe that your sense of humor, not your sensitivity, is what caused you to throw that comment in. I just gotta believe it was your sense of humor. I just gotta.
I have one of those, too.
Am I emotional? (The make-believe audience then calls out - "How emotional are you?") I'm so emotional that I cry when the national anthem is being sung at the ballpark. Hell, I can't even sing along to "Take Me Out To The Ballpark" at the 7th inning stretch. I get too choked up.
I'm not trying to have a "Which Guy Here Is More Sensitive?" contest with you, that is, not unless you try to tell me that that advance apology was on the up and up. If you tell me that was a for-real apology, I'm taking the gloves off, and you and I can have us a little sensitivity challenge. Lordy, wouldn't that be a sight to behold! (I'm starting training right now, just in case.) (To my off-screen wife - "Honey, would you pass me that box of tissues, please? Thank you.)
Seriously speaking, though, I've gotten to be too old to be worried about what others think of my sensitivities. My family is used to it, and if anybody else catches me tearing up, I just tell them between snorts and sobs that, "Hey, I'm an emotional guy. That's the way it is."
As an old acquaintance of mine used to say (for that matter I guess he still does say it if he's still alive) in cases where punishment or ridicule for something would be absurd, "What are they gonna do? Take away your birthday?"
I say, "Wear your heart right there on your sleeve. I do."
we're all emotional and sensitive to a degree, men and women... and this will manifest more or less, and also privately or openly... it is as much of a choice as it can be pressure for the people who have been around you.
and at the end of the day... stupid people will always think someone is less of a man or whatever, for many reasons not just this one, but, for the most part they're just idiots being idiotic... so you should not care much about that. Now if those who think or tell you these things are people close to you, well... that's something you'll have to talk about with them and see how you will put a stop to it.
it's is also true, that one as a person, man or woman... should try to keep emotions and feelings on check, there are better and healthier ways to handle them, and it's not ideal to cry (based on the picture you posted) over "everything and anything" because sometimes crying about things can block us from addressing problems or negative situations in a better way, but that would a very subjective and complex situation to narrow down right now, I hope you get the point of it anyway.
As a sensitive and emotional guy myself I would like to believe that it’s “okay” to express yourself but let’s face it. Who do women usually have strong feelings for vs. who do they friendzone? The real reason so many women tell men it’s “good” and “okay” to be sensitive is simply it makes them feel better about themselves. Lots of them are jealous, intimidated and envious that typically have better emotional self control. So we they see a man being they well less threatened.
But on a deeper subconscious level (where sexual attraction and mating decisions are made) most women hold men to a higher standard then they hold themselves on this. The look to us for strength and unfortunately they too equate being emotional as a female quality. In fact in my experience they can be MORE judgmental than other men.
I still remember one girl say she was leaving me for someone else many years ago because I was too sensitive. She was ballistically sensitive in her lesser moments. Way worse than I ever was. But still I was more sensitive than the average guy and she doesn’t see that as “a real man”.
Call her a pos bitch and she was. However at least she was honest. Most women won’t come out and admit that but what I said above is true. I know she’s not the only one who lost interest and/or friendzoned because of that.
Anyway it’s okay to be sensitive IN PRIVATE. Cry but do it when nobody is looking. Find a counselor (for real not being cliché). Dump it out but do it discreetly. You need a tough face in public
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You can do that if you want but it will just make you look beta and no woman will ever desire you anymore. Even if you do manage to date a femoid acting like that, they will still cheat on you with various Chads due to their extreme thirst for brutish cold alpha gigachads. They say they like emotional guys but it is all lies, look at the men who get all the pussy vs. the ones who don't. It's not the emotional men bringing women home from the parties. I have never been to a party but I assume this is the truth based on the guys I have talked to.
I have yet to get laid, but I am choosing to be alpha so females will desire me. I do not really feel emotions or care about anyone else so I will definitely be getting lots of sweet poon and I will get to plant my seed in many beautiful women. After that I will discard them like trash and block them just like the all the fuckboys do it's going to be epic. Perhaps some beta can raise my fetus idc. If you act like an emotional little bitch then you are beta, pathetic and a complete failure as a man. Women will not desire you even if they say they do because they are all liars trust me I know a lot about females.
This is always a strange question. No, men should never get caught by a soul crying. Only their mother can see them cry as kids. After puberty, dumb move. I don't care if your overwhelmed with emotion, you suck it up and go hide.
And what's worse women claim they love emotimal guys. They do love emotional friends. Most women will lose respect for their man, as a man, even they even see him cry at parents or children's funeral. That's just the reality. I have never seen a grown man cry, who was anyone.
You really have a wrong view of what women are like. Look at every girl here saying they don't mind and even like that their partner can show his emotions. DO you really think, in your head, that if a woman loves a man, if that man one day cracks and begins to cry she doesn't want him anymore? No matter how much she loved him, that is it. He is no longer a man in her eyes? Do you know how idiotic that is? We are humans! Not robots. Even football players cry during after matches. Soldiers cry when they arrive home. Husbands cry when they hold their children for the first time. Still men and looked at by their partners as such. Get your feet on this earth.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 It's hilarious that you think women always tell the truth. A woman can enjoy watching romantic comedies AND think the guy in the story is a total loser despite him being the love interest in that story. Ahh, you'll learn.
@hahahmm and you assume they are lying about this based on what? Besides your own beliefs on what they want. And tell me, a soldier cries coming home, like many do, you think his wife no longer respects him as a man?
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 dude, we are onto you. And you will learn soon enough as you experience more life.
If most women could get award for drama and not saying what they mean, there would be billions of academy awards that would need to be like tomorrow.
Don't ever listen to a woman and expect it to mean a whole lot. Always watch what she either does or actually how she responds.
And yes, you want to make it past your 25 wedding anniversary, keep that Chite tight. No more tears. And if something ever slips, act like it's allergies.
@qdbrown no my friend... You are the ones who haven't learned yet. And by your age you never will.
You want to believe that women are disgusted when they see a man cry that's on you. I actually feel bad for you having to live under those beliefs.
If I watch what they do and not what they say... Same thing. I know for a fact women don't think less of men of who share their emotions. I know they like good guys. I know they want men that help around the house.
I will cry as often as I fell like and I will be still be married past your age.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 tell you what, go ask your wife tonight if she like winnies who cry. She will tell you that she loves you, but deep down the crack start up. Somewhere around 40 things will start happening. See, going up the mountain is not quite like coming down dude.
Just make sure you use your own attorney and don't be friendly during the early days. You can be like me and become friends later. But I guarantee you when that day comes, she will go for the juggler. Same for all these crying soldiers and footballers. You all have been warned.
No one likes a crybaby. But is very different to cry for nothing and to cry with a reason. If I ask her, and most women, if it is fine for men to cry with a good motive they will say yes. And mean it.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 you do know most of these chicks on here at GaG are single, right? There are reasons.
Dont let single women tell you what they like. That's like asking the fish what it likes when fishing. Rather ask the fisherman... They know what really works.
@qdbrown most guys too. What does that proves here?
Comparing humans to animals again? We talked about this. We are far to different for it to make sense.
Yes they know exactly what they want! My sisters were my wingman when I was a teen texting other girls. Never failed. They know very well what they want.
Expressing one's emotions openly expresses vulnerability which in a callous environment is a opportune liability. It 'clouds' one's judgements, ... promotes hesitation and second guessing. NONE of which... are laudable 'survival skills'~
I've taken human life four times. I NEVER initiated the circumstances, ... always given the Aggressor an alternate way to go... but in retrospect, if ONLY ONE was 'going home' ... I voted for ME!
In hindsight I wept about their loss, mourned about THEIR choices, AFTER ME & MINE WERE 'SAFE".
Its a vastly outdated stereotype. My mother was not the very best , but she was okey , The one thing where she was way beyond her times was males expressing emotions , please NEVER suppress your emotions as a male , always cry if thats how you feel. Life is not a droning grey , its a series of very mixed feelings , its important to always express those feelings , you are more of a man for your expression. Im the first to sob at a " chick flick " even though I know its just a movie , its expression , and just like an artist , you must always be free to express. Quite frankly , anyone who does hold a contrary view , is simply outdated and incorrect , you listen to your heart , and always be free to express your emotions , its part of being a modern male.
Well that's their own doing men I mean always having to prove how you they are take a ass whooping and not shed a tear, get shot and laugh it off life their girl and become a drunk never showing any emotion or be seen as a girly dude, today we call them gay it's dumb and ignorant we all have feelings and need to display them when it's called for not saying a dude should tear up cause his cat ran up a tree, but if a tragedy befall you let it out don't go get drunk and kick everyone ass who cross your path, if more men express their emotions we just might learn to get along but women being women and keeping up crap won't be long till on of you say the hell wrong with him weeping like a baby cause he got a paper cut the sissy, so there's no way way out can't win emotional battle seem women get a tooth knocked out she grinned and said you got like a girl what are you a girly man or á sissy boy and knocked dude out do you can't please everyone why I say be yourself and damn everyone else
Not around women. How can she respect a man to protect her and provide while watching him cry on her shoulder. Men should only cry or be emotional around other men. How can a woman be empathetic to what the world expects from a man? She wouldn't know where to even start with forming a solution. Dont be emotional, especially around women. They say they want you to be open with your emotions but its a shit test for them to gauge your true strength. Talk to other MEN about your emotions guys, especially your Dad or someone you look up to and respect.
The right and healthu kind of person would never treat a man like that. I don't know who hurt you to make you assume that about us, but please do not assume we're all like that. Just like I know not all men are the same, you cannot treat women all the same. And if you think that's because the other man is going to make it any better trust me it won't. Unhealthy people are unhealthy people. And when you speak what you're saying, you're not healthy. The thing is is that we as human beings shouldn't be at a point where we are doing things beyond our abilities and expect all this to be able to psychologically handle it. A woman cannot respect a man to protect her if he himself is not a protector. If he's not able to provide then he is not able to provide. A man crying has nothing to do with Provisions or protection. It's when you choose to chicken out and not standing up in spite of your fears or adversities is when you become a coward. That's one thing a person cannot respect. Cowards. It is not a test for us to see where you are unless we do want to see where you are. But at the same time, you got to be prepared to become healthier. I'm telling you this by experience who have dealt with such abuse by other people. Because if I have to go through what I go through emotionally and I get to make it this far, you think I'm going to want to constantly deal with a person who's not going to do what he has to do? If you are not ready to do your job, you're not ready. It's fine. What's not fine is when you make these decisions, and then you can't handle it even though he was told not to get in it.
If you are going do heavy struggles like this, you are best to have a professional to help you mentorship that I agree with. Having mentorship who can teach you to become a stronger and more refined person. But you have to have a desire to want to change and I want to get better. That's where the problem is. If you are unwilling to change and to get better, then there is nothing that anybody can do to help you. God can help you, but the rule still applies. You have to want him to help you. He's not going to force you. If I say anything, is because I want to see what is good, and what is best for that person because I see greatness in that individual. But if they don't see it within themselves, I can't help. I can barely even help myself. That's why if anybody tries to force you into situations you uncomfortable with, you do not have to get into those situations. Just don't be having sex outside of marriage, don't be messing with anybody. That's where a lot of you and the trouble and then you want to know why women are pushing marriage. Because you having sex with a person that should be your wife, you make her your wife, but you don't want the commitment. That's where you're at fault. And that's what you have to own up to those decisions as equally as she does. I never been involved with a man, I never been in a relationship, I never dated, I never been married, I never done those things. Anybody that wants to try to force me in those things, I tell them no right off the bat. Because I know my limit and I know what I'm going through. If they cannot respect that, they don't need to be around.
Uh, no. I dont need a book to tellme how to interact with other human beings. That have nothing to do with the biology of men and women. Has everything to do with the fact that you have been taught and corrupt about other people and now you're projecting it onto others because again somewhere deep inside you are not stable minded. That's not facts and has nothing to do with feelings either of what you're talkin about. That's not basic logic at all. That's driven from your own personal experiences that have nothing to do with other people. That's why I said if you're struggling with something please do seek help.
@btbc92 Thanks for yohr concern for my well being but trust me, I've already got that. My dad, friends and other divorced men in my family agree, the issue here is that women can never see the world the way men see it. No point in really telling them about how chaotic it is. We just deal with it differently, forgiving my mom for leaving my dad made me feel peace for the first time. I dont carry emotions around because id Rather forgive than carry anger and hatred everywhere i go. Thats what Jesus did, his last words were, "forgive them Father for they know not what they do."
That is not true at all. You see what you just admitted? You all have a pattern and is influencing each other in horrid ways. All of you are unhealthy. You just it. You actually believe that we will never see how you see it? Are you forgetting that we are human beings just like you? Biology doesn't separate us from being who we actually are as people. Yes you're born a man, and I'm born a woman, but how we feel it's still the same. It's what we choose to do with our life and how we choose to thinking is the difference. You don't know why your mom left your dad. You don't carry emotions because again you grew up in an environment that was not healthy.. it's okay to be angry, it's understandable why you hate it with your mom did. But you still didn't fully forgive because you did not forgive yourself. You know how I know? Because I was asked the same question. When am I going to forgive myself?
You're an emotional man. And that is uniquely you. And you need to love yourself as you was meant to be instead of hiding yourself and it needs something that you're not. And I'm telling this by personal experience. Whatever happened in your past you have to really Let It Go. Because I'm struggling myself now because of what happened in my own past. But I had been told that it had nothing to do with me and I am not at fault. So now I give you the same message. Forgive yourself. It is not your fault. That is a situation between your mother, and your father. Whatever happened is between them. They live their lives. You now have to start living your. Don't continue living your life in bondage. Because let me be honest with you. No you are not okay. No you are not fine. I came to a point in my life where I had to tell myself the same thing. No I am not okay. No I am not fine. I don't know about you, but I am tired of pretending like I'm okay when I'm not.
Well you know what I said fuck everybody says that if there is something that touches me something that hurts me deep inside if I start to cry I'm not going to apologize about it I don't even give a fuck what other people think when I feel something towards somebody something that has happened to them I'm going to feel however I want to feel in that moment I don't care if it's forbidden I don't care if there's rules I don't care about anything it's nobody else's business except for mine and if I do it right in front of somebody and if they don't like it they can go fuck themselves they're not me
Lol who said it was forbidden? its not a law that men shouldn't be sensitive. why do men always come on these sites whining about stuff like this, u rarely see women whining about being oppressed and the weaker sex
Because society expects way more from men than from women, we're always supposed to be the tough ones that can handle anything but that's not reality, we break just like women do.
While it's not "forbidden", women project a fantasy idea of men unto men and whenever we don't live up to that archetype, it creeps them out. To make matters worse, if it's a guy she has romantic interest in, it will make her insanely insecure because she doesn't feel safe with a man like that because it suggest he's weak and can be easily defeated by other men leaving her vulnerable
I never whine about stuff like this, it's usually the weak beta males who wine about not being able to cry, a masculine guy like me has no reason to cry cos I don't care about anything, but If I wanted to cry, I would
It's not my fault you weak beta males are too embarrassed to cry, your too scared to cry... Jus do it... By holding it in your only proving that you really are a scared wimp.. who cares about judgement?
@UglyBoy1997 society does expect things from women. you just gave a clear example. we are expected to baby everyone all the time, be sensible, be polite, expected to look good all the time. and women still get treated like shit especially in third world countries but we dont complain nearly as much as men do lol
I don't think woman do that because they are being forced to or cos society expects them to be that way, I think the genders jus act the way they do cos that's their nature and the way they wanna act, I mean, if I was a girl.. I wouldn't give a shit about sociatys expectations, I'd just do what I want... And I think a lot of girls jus do what they want too... I don't think all girls are jus obiding by society's expectations
@UglyBoy1997 i dont obide by these rules lol but im just saying that there are expectations for both men and women but this guy is tryna act like the victim
@Uptowngirl88 well yes. I use this site to get some of my emotional baggage out of my system. Out in the real world, im kinda cold and dont talk about any of this
Eh be who you are. And i know there's gonna be a bunch of women who find men who display their emotions as unattractive. They are simply not your "fit" is how id put it. So dont chase them, So don't change yourself. Simple.
On the other hand, crying all the time being too moody is something thats not attractive even outside of romantic context. Most people find that annoying. So if you are that type, i would say you should work on yourself (this is not saying you should hide your emotions though)
Yes z and he's too scared to show it.. funny he's being bitchy being seen as weaker for crying... Meanwhile he's too scared to cry... Well now we really do see you as weaker bud
Who said it's forbidden? There is no written rule or law for this. I think men can be sensitive and emotional, it's nothing tragic. I know a few men that are more emotional than me and I don't mind at all.
While it's not "forbidden", women project a fantasy idea of men unto men and whenever we don't live up to that archetype, it creeps them out. To make matters worse, if it's a guy she has romantic interest in, it will make her insanely insecure because she doesn't feel safe with a man like that because it suggest he's weak and can be easily defeated by other men leaving her vulnerable
Damn, why be so limited with this? Not everythig is BLACK AND WHITE... why not let couples decide. there are women that like green, other women like yellow, others red... not all women think or do things like you are immagining...
It's not forbidden unless you let others dictate your life for you.. Fuck what others say or think.. Be you, do you... Those that don't accept, that's on them not you, there's people that will.. Quality over quantity
Everyone has emotions.. Guys who say they don't get emotional but then have anger issues.. Isn't anger also an "emotion" ... I rather a guy shed a few tears, then be super aggressively angry all the time
Quit being a whiny fuck and be a real man. No woman wants a weak emotional man. That is THEIR job. They want their man to be their emotional rock. The lighthouse in her stormy seas of feelings and emotion in her little mind. The very last thing any woman wants is her man breaking down into tears every time she does.
Oh but they'll tell you they want to see your emotional side. They want to see your vulnerability. I'm here to tell you that the very second you show any weakness to your woman she INSTANTLY loses respect for you. And if this goes on long enough, she shuts down sexually - she loses the hots for you - or she cheats or bails. Or any combination of these. Then she'll go out looking for CHAD THUNDERCOCK.
Don't be a girlie-man. Ever see lions fuck? Be a lion, not a mouse.
You seem very mature for a 64 year old, your family must think you are the best guy ever. I can tell from your use of terms like "Chad Thundercock" that come from 4Chan and Reddit that you are an epic memer alpha who gets all the poon even if your dick is probably limp. And comparing a wild vicious animal with little emotional intelligence to human beings is very convincing and logical. Even if what you're saying has no basis in science and the ideas don't even remotely connect it sounds badass and alpha as fuck😎🤘🤘🤘
Soon I will be an alpha just like you who writes stuff like this on internet forums. Thanks for giving me proper guidance in life to an audience of young men who are already struggling with emotions and masculinity Mr. Thundercock. Do not give them hope, they must learn to be hateful, suppress all their humanity and FUCK LIKE A WILD BEAST🤘
@TheGreatAwan - And you're a whiny cunt. I'd rather be me. :) And yes, my wife of thirty years and my entire family loves their REAL MAN. Something you're just not. You're just a wannabe girlie-man. You can fuck right the hell off too. CUNT.
Go take some boner pills grandpa. The fact that you're bragging about not being a newbie on this site is only further proof that you're a fucking retard.
And maybe see a therapist instead of projecting your obvious insecurities onto young impressionable man who still have time to not be as miserable as you. The fact that you're 64 and using incel terminology is beyond pathetic.
I don't think it's forbidden. We all possess feminine and masculine energy. Being emotional is a feminine energy. The key is, if you're a man don't let your feminine outweigh your masculine.
If he's a super masculine man, I would enjoy seeing him emotional at times.
"Forbidden" might be a stretch. It does go against the man code though. A guy has every right to cry at anything. And society has the right to call him a p***you for it. The simple fact of the matter is gender roles exist. A man is expected to be a man. Not just on mon=Fri for 8 hrs. But every gott damn day. I hear a a lot of women complain they can't be whores. The want to get their f*** on with random guys. But they're called a whore if they do. And as I told them. You can choose to stop being a woman these days, That's allowed. You can also be a whore any time you like. But as long as you're society has the right to call you a whore for it. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
My grandfather was a hard character. Grew up in the mountains and more or less lived off the land until he met my grandmother and moved to a town. I guarantee he could outdrink, outfight, and outwork all these loudmouth internet people here telling us that men should never shed tears. When my grandmother died after 50 years of marriage, he fucking cried and he cried a lot. And you won't find many men more rugged than he was. But losing her broke him. So to the dickheads who say men should never cry. . . . kiss my ass.
Because of stupid stereotypes propagated by patriarchal society and the media
I feel as if society has propagated the stereotype of the “ideal” male. This practically states that a man must be: tough, strong, secure, etc.
I personally find it to be bullcrap. Not all men are built the same way, and none will be. If you feel like your current self is who you truly are, don't try to change. There's only one of you in the world. Don't become a slave to the rhythm.
No of course not, men are humans too and therefore they have emotions. Bottling it up makes everything worse so I don't know why they’re expected to do that. I think it’s good to know that a man is able to show emotions rather than act apathetic all the time. I let my boyfriend rant or cry or let it out to me whenever he needs it, and I think his sensitive side is cute.
Its expected because men fight wars and do dangerous jobs. And you can't do those things if you start crying and complaining if you hurt yourself at work or when the bullets start flying... dooh
@grega239 um I don’t think you read the question... they asked about men and emotions in general, not just men in the military. All I’m saying is that it’s okay for men to be vulnerable, why are you so mad?
They aren't forbidden, men just have unrealistic expectations, just as women do. We are all human, have emotions & should be permitted to express them without being or feeling judged.
Man we are raised like this from decades, right from childhood days we have been taught that Hey you are going to be a man some day , so man dosen't show their sensetive sides. And in our family and society we have seen our father , uncle and neighbors like that. So we accpet it as a truth.
It's not. But you might see it that way because society's a bitch. Fuck society; do what you want. If it bothers someone, that's their problem. Most women want a guy to be emotional, it makes them feel trusted and stuff. 👌
Welp, it's sad. I always try to reach out to my guys about their feelings and problems, but most of them don't bother being sensitive. It's totally fine to be emotional, but because people (men more) are not as tolerant, mindful and thus sensitive, they will always try to make fun of it and mock it.
It's more about unrealised jealousy because being sensitive is not a con, but a pro. It's also about a lack of understanding.
I think it goes back to ancient Sparta where men were expected to become warriors and not show any fear or vulnerability, or they would be thought of as weak by their fellow spartans, since then it has become the norm in the known world at the time, but those beliefs are technically ancient, and men don't have to be kept to such strict warrior codes these days if they don't want to
Probably because you listen to the lies that you were told, and what a "Man SHOULD BE!" Sad. Many fathers didn't know, and had shitty role models, but now, YOU can CHOOSE, and you can see, read, and understand how their OLD WAYS were just bullshit! If you cannot be honest with yourself, how is any woman, or partner going to be able to trust you, when you cannot deal with, and feel your emotions?
I like when guys show their emotions. I also like it when they protect me. They can do both.
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The right people won't! It took me 2 years into my relationship to tell my girlfriend about my past. About my demons. I thought she was never going to see me the same and leave me. Do you know what she said? "You didn't deserved the life that you had." And hugged me. I have no idea how I didn't just start sobbing on the spot. Probably still in shock at her reaction completly opposite to what I expected.
Fuck who tell you are less of a man if you show emotions. Fuck them! They have no idea what a man's worth is.
Men being emotional is actually quite cute to me! I have yet to find an emotional guy, but I'll know he's the one when he isn't afraid to cry in front of me!
I think it's partly due to the fact that while women say they like emotional men, and that might be true, it's not exactly sexy.
The whole "men not showing emotions" thing is a misrepresentation of the virtue of stoicism. Knowing when it is the best time to be emotional and when it isn't.
Because if a girl who your not with sees you cry you may be considered weak to some of them. Lol its something that a man's man dosent do. Its not like they are going to walk up to you and say whats wrong. But if the roles were reversed a guy would do it in a heartbeat.
Because men are supposed to be strong. Women will blow smoke up ur ass all day, they’re great at that, but the truth is the truth. You can be emotional when alone with a woman, that’s fine, but out in the world you must be strong. The kind if female attention these whiny posts get you is not the kind you need any more of.
Dumb question there. It isn't forbidden. Weak men are uncomfortable with showing emotion. It's more a character thing, you've either got it or you're an emotionally retarded dick.
While it's not "forbidden", women project a fantasy idea of men unto men and whenever we don't live up to that archetype, it creeps them out. To make matters worse, if it's a guy she has romantic interest in, it will make her insanely insecure because she doesn't feel safe with a man like that because it suggest he's weak and can be easily defeated by other men leaving her vulnerable.
It really is a mixed opinion. Sure there are always people who see it's ok for men to cry but they can also be the person who takes advantage of your vulnerability giving man trust issues. So it's up to you if you want to be vulnerable or not. But sure you can. just do it alone
I was taught that I had to be emotionless and I had to be the same as every other man in my community when I was living back in Poland, and that scarred me so fucking much that now I do not feel emotions besides anger. I think that is wrong and I would like to beat up parents who still think that they should teach it to their kids. Stupid stereotyping about being masculine.
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People in my vicinity know I'm very emotional due to many insecurities, past events that have occurred in my life but I'm left alone because I have knocked a few heads around
Believe it or not but I do blast to a lot of self pity/suicidal songs in my area & people accept it because they know how easily triggered I get over the slightest disrespect
It's not forbidden but it's basically the switch between being nursered as a womens kid instead of treated as the man in the house. In basically all situations except perhaps mental wellbeing you will be ranked lower then if you didn't.
Because a guy is supposed to be strong emotionally and mentally to be able to take care of a woman who is weak in that stuff. It’s ok to once in a while get emotional for a guy but if you do it all the time that is the characteristic of a woman which a man should not emulate.
I wouldn’t mind my boyfriend being sensitive and emotional. One time he cried because he was so happy to be with me and I found that super cute I hope that he’s always happy to be with me
It isn't, it's generally men aren't emotional, I mean a higher percentage of men don't feel the need to cry cos we don't care about stuff as much as girls do... Generally were more careless n laidback
But hey, if your as emotional as a girl and wanna cry jus like a girl, go ahead... I don't give a shit... I won't call you a girl, but I will be judging you in my mind... So what, it happens
It’s not forbidden. We’re just careful about who we express our emotions to. We feel as much as anyone else, but we are not supposed to let our emotions rule us.
It's not forbidden. It's just considered unwise. If you show other people what matters to you, you risk those who don't agree that it matters threatening to sabotage it to control you.
Toxic masculinity. That's pretty much it. It's unfortunate while people harp on the treatment of women in culture, the way men are treated doesn't get nearly as much attention.
It's that old belief that all men need to be these macho and alpha types which is not true. I actually prefer men who are in contact wirh their emotions and are confident enough in their masculinity to express them.
Its not 'forbidden' for men to be sensitive and emotional, but there's a time and place, usually only with people you really trust and usually privately, definitely not in front of some one your dating,
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Do you thinj incels are sensitive and emotional? I. e. FRAGIILE?
dont listen to women on how to live. Men WANT to be strong. They want men to be weak.
Ask a woman "who is more emotional or logical?" They will always claim that theyre more logical—because they know logic is strength (to an extent)
Depends on the environment, I went to a sheltered school from kindergarten to fifth grade and at the end of the day, everyone had to "express and tell" their feelings. I feel like if more schools did this things would be different.
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