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Two things are discussed here: value and attractiveness. Both are similar and dissimilar at the same time. A man's value in society has been traditionally defined by his socio-economic status. And unless you're born into wealth or have a trust fund, it takes time to learn skills, and experience and this make real money or have some gravitas in society. Men get absolutely nothing for free.
Now coming to aesthetic looks, there is no doubt that physical prime for both men and women are in their mid 20s. beyond which there are physiological chances including declining metabolism, degradation of collagen and sun damage causing wrinkles, male pattern balding, etc. However, men are not subject to the reproductive barrier which women face, to that drastic extent.
If you analyze studies regarding what age of the opposite sex do men and women most prefer, you'd see that as women age, they prefer men who are older than them, however, for men, it's almost exclusively women in their early to mid 20s.
So it's not that by default men become more valuable or attractive as they age, however they have the potential to, given they choose to put in the work.2
I have always been attracted to guys that were always a few years older than me. I never found the ones my age had the mentality to be comfortable as a individual. As I've gotten older, I appreciate the older man for more than I did before. I find myself wanting to learn from the guy I'm involved with and as a goal focused individual, this is a non negotiatiable for me. He must be established, and goal oriented. Why would I want something different from what I bring, I just want him to be a bit older.. Most of those I've come across that were my age weren't hard workers which is a red flag...124
The ugly old men I constantly come into contact with would beg to differ. I'd rather settle down with a young hot guy in computer science than a geriatric old prune who thinks I'll be his certified nursing assistant. I'm not sacrificing my youth for an uncle/grandpa.
And for the desperate, insecure girls in the comment section claiming men physically get better with age, seek professional help. You guys aren't attractive enough for guys your age. So you delude yourself into thinking sagging wrinkled prediabetic balls are sexy🤮85
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Men mature much later than women - hell a guy's brain doesn't even fully form till about 25. So he's in no place to be making any live-changing decisions till after that.
A woman's SMV peaks about 22-23. Youth and beauty are a woman's greatest assets.
A man's SMV peaks about 34-36 - he's grown into a real man, his looks have matured, he's smarter and more capable, and his financial status comes into play in his value.
A 40yo guy that has maintained his physique, is pulling down some bucks, is reasonably good looking, and has any game, can pull women in the dating pool from age 25 to 55. Pretty much the entire age-range for available women. But really, why would this guy take a 50 of he can get a 30? Does that make any sense at all?
You need three things to get the ladies:
Confidence. Irrational confidence.
You can get by with any two of these, but all three is key to knocking them down. So hit the gym HARD, and make a shit-ton of dough, you'll gain the confidence you need through the effort, and you'll have all the pussy you can stand - I guarantee it.0
I think everyone's value increases with age because of experience. As for becoming more attractive, I think this is true too. Everyone who feels good with himself and has inner peace in life is more attractive. I am not talking about looks here as I don't consider it important. Being healthier is mentally and physically is what makes someone attractive.312
Wrinkles and gray hair are signs of loss of fertility for women so they detract. But those things can be hot for girls because they are signs of possibly wealth wisdom maturity in men.
I am 34 and just this year have been getting significant gray hair finally. So many girls hit on me specifically mentioning how they like my gray hair. My girlfriend who just turned 19 loves the gray hair and says it makes me look distinguished.
Yet gray on a woman means dried up babymaker. Not attractive for a new wife. Just saying.0
Well I know as I’m now in my late 30’s I do t care how attractive a gitl is if they’re annoying and just a problem I’m not putting up with it where I see younger guys letting super attractive giyls get away with nursed just because they think it might get them laid. I think that’s part of the problem these super attractive giyls are some of the most annoying people I’ve ever met in my life. All I want know is a girl that’s a real friend and I’m attracted too. Problem is at my age a lot of those awesome girls that are cute are snatched up quick. I feel like I’m never going to find someone a lot of times now even though before I never had a problem getting any female I wanted. Things change as a guy when we get older0
That is the very rare case, I think the best age for a guy is his 30s and 40s cause you have figured out life kind of and have somewhat of a stable life so maybe that’s why. But the guy in the picture is a model so I’m guessing he pays more attention to his looks and grooming than the average male which is why he looks so good at his age.12
This is something not talked about much in my opinion. A guy's feeling or man's feelings is often tossed aside, no one really cares, a guy's friends often don't care but the case for women and girls is much different where more people will care. That's is no knock on women or girls. But I think even girl's don't truly understand that a guy by age 25 or 30 may have gone through a lot of bullshit himself with bad friends, bad influences, an absent father, constant rejections, told he's not good enough and etc. Thos experiences can either shape you or break you. Those who are shaped by those experiences and persevere become more confident and confidence is a sexy straight in a woman's eyes. I think that's part of the reason why as males age they are seen as more attractive. Even gaining more knowledge but using that knowledge in healthy way of expressing different opinions and theories can be seen as attractive as well.1
Because guys make the most money in their lifetime when they are older, therefore, becoming more attractive to women.
The examples of this is always some man who hit the genes lottery or some rich guy. The regular average everyday over 50 year old is never used as the example. You're either going to have senior model looks or going to be rich enough to take care of women.40
Polling and statistics.
Women's attractiveness peaks higher and earlier, then there's a crossover point where men's average attractiveness increasing while women's is decreasing (around 28), then around 32 men peak and their average attractiveness goes into decline at a similar rate -- so men are seen on average as having higher attractiveness after about 28, but the decline is *absolute* value stays the same. So if we compare relative values, as both men and women diminish in attractiveness, the relative attractiveness of men to women *effectively* goes up for men.0
Who says that? I've never heard anyone say it. No one becomes more attractive as they age, because as a person gets older their appearance deteriorates, as does their health. Grey hair and wrinkles are not attractive.50
Men aquire wealth and status with time.
If a man makes good choices he is living the good life by 35-45.
A man can still get a woman pregnant into his elder years.
For women it is backwards, a woman has the value at the age of 16 that she will have in the sexual market place, and it slowly diminses as her fertility runs out.10
Because when a guy gets over 50, he knows all the moves in the game, and has been beaten down by ruthless women so long that thee is almost zero interest. Women love that challenge, plus the money is in order, plus he’ll be dead soon and she can pick up his inheritance. Real win win for them if you know how the game is played0
My associates are far richer the older they get
My friend is 26 and worth a few million, his dad is 53 and worth 20million
The guy I know from my restaurant days is 42 and worth 10million, his dad is 67 and worth 50million
It's not exclusive to the men as my antique dealer passed away a couple of years ago with 70-75million to her name at the age of 890
Because as a guy works on his finances and health he gains a lot of value as a man. I think a lot of mens lives don’t start until their 30s (assuming they work hard, take care of themselves and never settle). Same goes with women. The problem is most people are lazy and start to feel it in their 30s onward - hell even their mid 20s. Young is a state of mind.0
ALL people's value increases as they get older, if they live a life of integrity.
ALL people's value decreases with age, if they live a life out of integrity.
It's that simple. The rest is dogma.20
Because they become more experienced and wiser as they get older and that gives them a certain allure. A lot of young guys are super immature and overall dunderheaded60
I've always been attracted to guys older than me, they are more experienced, not shy about what they want and will take it. Not to mention that they know how to dress and represent themselves in public.22
A 20yo. guy is sexually always more attractive than an 40yo. However there are some things like social status, wealth, experience in matter of social competency... etc, in which older men outperform younger guys. Plenty of girls value those things a lot.7
You live you learn and you advance. Instead of giving up and not doing anything about anything. No offense à lot of women who bare children give up on their health. Even sone fathers. Which is very odd to me. If I had kids it would be the best excuse to be fit and healthy. And you know, monkey see, monkey do. You don't care about yourself, your kids may follow by example.0
Because not all of course but most men as they age they experience women as they get more experience with women they become more knowledgeable at the same time their wealth increases at the same time the power increases at the same time they become more powerful make more friends make more connections and sometimes these type of men have better bodies.
And women like alpha men who don’t need their validations to do something!0
reality is, older guys get less physically attractive with age too. But unless this ugly old guy is a wealthy millionare, he usually wouldn't be attracting any women at all.30
Men's SMV (social market value) is determined by women, and women's SMV is determined by men. And men and women value very different things!
Looks are a factor for everyone, there's no denying that. Very good-looking people have an advantage that the majority do not. And very unfortunate-looking people have a big disadvantage that most people do not. That should be obvious and straightforward to everyone, right?
So, let's look at the vast majority of people: we'll remove the top 10% and the bottom 10%, and just look at the 80% in the middle. Nearly everyone here is in this group.
Both of these curves on the graph have the same area under the curve - it's the exact same amount of value, just distributed differently.
Women have massive value early in their lives because, aside from looks, the primary factor that determines men's attraction towards women is FERTILITY. And women's fertility happens in the roughly 20 year period from about 15-35 (yes, I'm aware that some girls can get pregnant at 10, or at 40, but they're the exceptions to the rule). But there's also a time gap from the time a man meets a woman until she's going to be ready to have kids with him, and if they want several kids, she has to start even earlier. This is why age 30 is the lower cut-off - if a man gets with a woman much older than that, the chances of her being able to give him 2-3 kids is pretty low, especially when you consider that they will usually want to get engaged, get married, and have a bit of time together before they start having children.
Men begin life with minimal value - young men are largely considered expendable, which is one reason that young men are sent off to war: they don't (yet) have much value to society. In order for men to have value, men need to work to build STATUS - the primary factor (other than looks) that women look for in a man. With status comes income, resources, and security, but if you think about it, all of that really falls under status. And it takes time to build status - nothing is handed to men upon puberty - we have to go out and work for it. If you look at the graph, men's status in our teens and early 20s is abysmal - because we have minimal status. On average, we really start building status in our late 20s, and by 30 or so, we're usually starting to do pretty well, and we tend to peak in our mid-30s.
The problem for women is that, after age 30, her SMV will forever be lower than the man's value, and because men value FERTILITY (which can also be equated to YOUTH), and largely do NOT value STATUS, women can't make up for a lack of youth with degrees and careers and powerful positions - men just don't care about those things.
This is why I constantly recommend that women take advantage of their 20s, to find a solid "relationship guy" who is on track to do well for himself (this is NOT going to be a Top 10% guy, unless she's a 9.5+ herself and she's happy to be a traditional wife), and build a future with him, because after 30, her market value - and thus her partner options - are going to be FAR, FAR worse than when she was in her 20s.