Why do people say a guys value increases as he ages and he becomes more attractive?

[Anonymous]

[MrOracle]

Men's SMV (social market value) is determined by women, and women's SMV is determined by men. And men and women value very different things!

Looks are a factor for everyone, there's no denying that. Very good-looking people have an advantage that the majority do not. And very unfortunate-looking people have a big disadvantage that most people do not. That should be obvious and straightforward to everyone, right?

So, let's look at the vast majority of people: we'll remove the top 10% and the bottom 10%, and just look at the 80% in the middle. Nearly everyone here is in this group.

Average SMV (social market value), by age and sex

Both of these curves on the graph have the same area under the curve - it's the exact same amount of value, just distributed differently.

Women have massive value early in their lives because, aside from looks, the primary factor that determines men's attraction towards women is FERTILITY. And women's fertility happens in the roughly 20 year period from about 15-35 (yes, I'm aware that some girls can get pregnant at 10, or at 40, but they're the exceptions to the rule). But there's also a time gap from the time a man meets a woman until she's going to be ready to have kids with him, and if they want several kids, she has to start even earlier. This is why age 30 is the lower cut-off - if a man gets with a woman much older than that, the chances of her being able to give him 2-3 kids is pretty low, especially when you consider that they will usually want to get engaged, get married, and have a bit of time together before they start having children.

Men begin life with minimal value - young men are largely considered expendable, which is one reason that young men are sent off to war: they don't (yet) have much value to society. In order for men to have value, men need to work to build STATUS - the primary factor (other than looks) that women look for in a man. With status comes income, resources, and security, but if you think about it, all of that really falls under status. And it takes time to build status - nothing is handed to men upon puberty - we have to go out and work for it. If you look at the graph, men's status in our teens and early 20s is abysmal - because we have minimal status. On average, we really start building status in our late 20s, and by 30 or so, we're usually starting to do pretty well, and we tend to peak in our mid-30s.

The problem for women is that, after age 30, her SMV will forever be lower than the man's value, and because men value FERTILITY (which can also be equated to YOUTH), and largely do NOT value STATUS, women can't make up for a lack of youth with degrees and careers and powerful positions - men just don't care about those things.

This is why I constantly recommend that women take advantage of their 20s, to find a solid "relationship guy" who is on track to do well for himself (this is NOT going to be a Top 10% guy, unless she's a 9.5+ herself and she's happy to be a traditional wife), and build a future with him, because after 30, her market value - and thus her partner options - are going to be FAR, FAR worse than when she was in her 20s.

[Kaamraj]

Two things are discussed here: value and attractiveness. Both are similar and dissimilar at the same time. A man's value in society has been traditionally defined by his socio-economic status. And unless you're born into wealth or have a trust fund, it takes time to learn skills, and experience and this make real money or have some gravitas in society. Men get absolutely nothing for free.

Now coming to aesthetic looks, there is no doubt that physical prime for both men and women are in their mid 20s. beyond which there are physiological chances including declining metabolism, degradation of collagen and sun damage causing wrinkles, male pattern balding, etc. However, men are not subject to the reproductive barrier which women face, to that drastic extent.

If you analyze studies regarding what age of the opposite sex do men and women most prefer, you'd see that as women age, they prefer men who are older than them, however, for men, it's almost exclusively women in their early to mid 20s.

So it's not that by default men become more valuable or attractive as they age, however they have the potential to, given they choose to put in the work.

[anykayd]

Just because you are most attracted to women in their early to mid 20s, it doesn't mean they will be attracted to you. I'm in my mid 20s and I have no plans on dating an ugly old man with wrinkles, white hairs, bald spot and weight gain. You would have to be out of your mind if you think men get more attention from women as they hit 40.

[anykayd]

[So it's not that by default men become more valuable or attractive as they age, however they have the potential to, given they choose to put in the work.]

There is no chance in hell you are gonna attract more women as you get older and uglier and wrinklier, unless you become a millionaire, which is probably not gonna happen. how many millionaires do you see walking around?

[Grownlady8]

I have always been attracted to guys that were always a few years older than me. I never found the ones my age had the mentality to be comfortable as a individual. As I've gotten older, I appreciate the older man for more than I did before. I find myself wanting to learn from the guy I'm involved with and as a goal focused individual, this is a non negotiatiable for me. He must be established, and goal oriented. Why would I want something different from what I bring, I just want him to be a bit older.. Most of those I've come across that were my age weren't hard workers which is a red flag...

[nella965]

On this website men on here think most women are attracted to men 10-30 years older than them, which is absolutely not true

[Grownlady8]

@nella965 Exactly! I haven't dated that much older than me. 6 years older was the oldest for me

[Tiptoetamm]

Same most if my exs are 10 plus years older than me

[nella965]

@Tiptoetamm

Most women date guys less than 10 years older. But in my opinion, more than 10 years older will cause dissatisfaction and compatibility issues years down the road

[Tiptoetamm]

I'm mature for my age and I end up taking care of him lol

[nella965]

@Tiptoetamm

One day you will feel more like a nurse than a wife.

[nella965]

@Tiptoetamm

You can’t grow old with someone who is already old.

[Tiptoetamm]

Then I'll go for younger men lol Haha

[nella965]

@Tiptoetamm

You don’t have to go for men younger than you. Just don’t go for men that are too much older such as 10+ years.

Research and statistics have proven that there’s more marriage dissatisfaction And divorces that occurs In huge age gap marriages. These marriages also tend to be more fragile and less resilient in times of financial distress.

[Tiptoetamm]

I'm kidding lol im just saying my preference will change over time right now im happy

[nella965]

@Tiptoetamm

Of course you’re happy dating men 15 years older right now. But chances are you won’t be happy with him by the time you’re 45 and he’s 60.

[Tiptoetamm]

I'm single now not looking for anything right now and as long as the person is healthy they can take care of themselves

[nella965]

@Tiptoetamm

Aging is something that you can’t Really control to a big extent. Much of it is determined by genes. My coworker is 61 and he struggles to walk due to a bad leg. My grandma is 82 and can walk faster than me, can cook clean on her own.

[nella965]

@Tiptoetamm

But all I’m saying is , by a certain age , you will find that you're still riding motorcycles while he can’t even keep up with you in a walk in the park, you would have to constantly slow down for him. During vacations , you want to travel to 3 countries while he will want a quiet cruise with his fellow retirees. He might not even be able to fulfill you sexually.

Things change and often times women don’t see it coming until it’s too late. And if you’re 45, with 3 kids , it’s hard to get remarried at that age. So often times these women stay in these difficult marriages

[Tiptoetamm]

I totally get what your saying, thanks hon

[Green96]

@nella965 I don't think that.
Healthylifestyle is the secret

[nella965]

@Green96

It’s not healthy life style that controls how you age. A big part of aging has to do with genes.

[nella965]

@Green96

Sure living healthy life style helps you age a bit better but it’s really not the biggest factor.

[Green96]

@nella965 I can do now 100 repetitions push- ups

When I was in my twenties, I couldn't do more than 15 repetitions

[nella965]

@Green96 you can do a hundred push ups but your energy levels might not be the same as when you were younger. Sure many people in 20s can’t do 100 push ups but they usually have more energy.

Safest thing to do is to marry someone not too much younger or not too much older.

[Tiptoetamm]

We get it hon every person and relationship is different just keep that in mind

[Green96]

@nella965 if you do not have good energy, you can't do 100 pushups
The point is, if you work out, you'll still be energitic even if you're old.
In my twenties, I was lazy and do not work out so I did not have the energy to do 100 pushups

[nella965]

@Green96

You can do 100 push ups but it doesn’t mean you will be fast and quick and full of energy bouncing off the walls on a regular basis. My grandma is 82 and she can walk faster than me but do you think she is jumpy and fun as me all day long? no

[nella965]

@Tiptoetamm

Most people won’t be happy in a marriage like that. You would have to be a very unique person to be able to be happy in a marriage like that. Same as online dating , most people can’t handle it. Sure some can, but not many.

Just don’t get yourself into something you’ll regret later on.

[Anonymous]

The ugly old men I constantly come into contact with would beg to differ. I'd rather settle down with a young hot guy in computer science than a geriatric old prune who thinks I'll be his certified nursing assistant. I'm not sacrificing my youth for an uncle/grandpa.

And for the desperate, insecure girls in the comment section claiming men physically get better with age, seek professional help. You guys aren't attractive enough for guys your age. So you delude yourself into thinking sagging wrinkled prediabetic balls are sexy🤮

[NicoletteXO]

OMG this made me laugh so hard. "Prediabetic balls" omg LMAO.

[anykayd]

@NicoletteXO

omg the first sane girl I've ever met on here. I completely agree with you 100%.

[tatianamay]

OMG you had me laughing soo hard! 😂

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Oh my 😂😂😂

[user1516]

No I agree with you sis! I’d never bat an eye at a guy older than 29. Unless he was Sebastian Stan then maybe but 💀💀💀.

[Browneye57]

Men mature much later than women - hell a guy's brain doesn't even fully form till about 25. So he's in no place to be making any live-changing decisions till after that.

A woman's SMV peaks about 22-23. Youth and beauty are a woman's greatest assets.
A man's SMV peaks about 34-36 - he's grown into a real man, his looks have matured, he's smarter and more capable, and his financial status comes into play in his value.

A 40yo guy that has maintained his physique, is pulling down some bucks, is reasonably good looking, and has any game, can pull women in the dating pool from age 25 to 55. Pretty much the entire age-range for available women. But really, why would this guy take a 50 of he can get a 30? Does that make any sense at all?

You need three things to get the ladies:
Looks
Money
Confidence. Irrational confidence.
You can get by with any two of these, but all three is key to knocking them down. So hit the gym HARD, and make a shit-ton of dough, you'll gain the confidence you need through the effort, and you'll have all the pussy you can stand - I guarantee it.

[nice-girl]

I think everyone's value increases with age because of experience. As for becoming more attractive, I think this is true too. Everyone who feels good with himself and has inner peace in life is more attractive. I am not talking about looks here as I don't consider it important. Being healthier is mentally and physically is what makes someone attractive.

[VanillaSalt]

I think your right about this it takes time to come into yourself and the longer you spend the more refined you are. True for both men and women and women highly value this refinement but men tend to value youth, beauty, and fertility and women don’t like to hear this truth so it tend to bother older women particularly because the men they want don’t want them they want the younger women wether they can get em or not.

I’m curious what you think of this take.

[nice-girl]

@VanillaSalt This is just a fact of life and if men say that they value youth and beauty I believe them. This might bother some women, but we have to do the best with what we have and control what we can control. As a woman I can confirm that I like older men better (I mean older than me). I also shared my opinion on a similar question: Why is a woman degraded for being 30 and over? What makes 30 so unattractive for her? ↗

[VanillaSalt]

Oh I’ll have to check that question out lol. It’s funny how hard perspective makes it to see the obvious. How do you copy paste links to questions?

[nice-girl]

@VanillaSalt just copy the link and paste it

[VanillaSalt]

Odd it don’t do that for me.

[anykayd]

@VanillaSalt

why would it matter if men tend to value youth, if youthful young women aren't attracted to wrinkling, saggy, old guys with huge bald spots? do you really think you can get someone attractive if you look like shit?

[VanillaSalt]

Ignore this woman nice she’s got a thing about old guys being comfortable about how they look lmao

Also the same way of describing them too.

[anykayd]

@VanillaSalt

Believing that you look sexy gaining weight , losing hair , growing wrinkles, won't actually make you look sexy. It will just make girls not want to look at you, especially the young hot 18 yr olds that you're so desperately trying to get with.

do u think hot girls go for hot guys in their prime, not some old fat uncle who thinks he's sexier as he approaches 60

[anykayd]

@VanillaSalt Just give yourself another 10 years and see what your dating game will be like.

[anykayd]

@VanillaSalt

[Ignore this woman nice she’s got a thing about old guys being comfortable about how they look lmao]

riiight... you should get more comfortable with the way you look , as you get fatter, wrinklier , balder and saggier

[VanillaSalt]

You always say the same thing it’s annoying I’m blocking you.

[anykayd]

@VanillaSalt you clearly don't have a dating life if you think you get sexier as you get older.

[bamesjond0069]

Wrinkles and gray hair are signs of loss of fertility for women so they detract. But those things can be hot for girls because they are signs of possibly wealth wisdom maturity in men.

I am 34 and just this year have been getting significant gray hair finally. So many girls hit on me specifically mentioning how they like my gray hair. My girlfriend who just turned 19 loves the gray hair and says it makes me look distinguished.

Yet gray on a woman means dried up babymaker. Not attractive for a new wife. Just saying.

[Curiousnesshmmm]

Well I know as I’m now in my late 30’s I do t care how attractive a gitl is if they’re annoying and just a problem I’m not putting up with it where I see younger guys letting super attractive giyls get away with nursed just because they think it might get them laid. I think that’s part of the problem these super attractive giyls are some of the most annoying people I’ve ever met in my life. All I want know is a girl that’s a real friend and I’m attracted too. Problem is at my age a lot of those awesome girls that are cute are snatched up quick. I feel like I’m never going to find someone a lot of times now even though before I never had a problem getting any female I wanted. Things change as a guy when we get older

[doopayo]

That is the very rare case, I think the best age for a guy is his 30s and 40s cause you have figured out life kind of and have somewhat of a stable life so maybe that’s why. But the guy in the picture is a model so I’m guessing he pays more attention to his looks and grooming than the average male which is why he looks so good at his age.

[nella965]

Men in their 40s are significantly less attractive than men in their 30s. This is why overwhelming majority of men are married with kids before 40

[doopayo]

Yeah true, 40s and late 30s is usually when balding and wrinkles show up. I just mean maturity wise and I think if the average man took care of his grooming he could look good past their 20s

[Anonymous]

This is something not talked about much in my opinion. A guy's feeling or man's feelings is often tossed aside, no one really cares, a guy's friends often don't care but the case for women and girls is much different where more people will care. That's is no knock on women or girls. But I think even girl's don't truly understand that a guy by age 25 or 30 may have gone through a lot of bullshit himself with bad friends, bad influences, an absent father, constant rejections, told he's not good enough and etc. Thos experiences can either shape you or break you. Those who are shaped by those experiences and persevere become more confident and confidence is a sexy straight in a woman's eyes. I think that's part of the reason why as males age they are seen as more attractive. Even gaining more knowledge but using that knowledge in healthy way of expressing different opinions and theories can be seen as attractive as well.

[Opinion Owner]

To the girls who disliked my post I find it humorous as a guy I can't give my input about guys/men. Apparently I'm wrong if a man who gets older is humble with the knowledge he gains or gains more experience through rejections and life's difficulties. If a woman dislikes my comment that goes to show that in a female's eyes a guys feelings don't matter. I guess you have extremely butt hurt immature girls on GAG who are still scorned by some doofus back in 2004. Also girls, I'm allowed to give my input about this, I don't follow a billion ideologies like y'all of trying to fit in or feel relevant with what feminism has taught you. I've seen hardcore White feminists get mad at Muslim girls for wearing the hijab, yet feminism predicates on "unity". What I said in my post above isn't wrong, girls/women do look at confidence as an attractive trait... Unless I'm wrong I guess all females want to marry spineless, nutless wimps in life. Also girls, I don't give my input on abortion, periods or pregnancies in a rude manner whether online or in person because I do have some level of respect for the opposite sex. However, in 2021, it's clear girls don't seem to have much for guys.

[Anonymous]

Because guys make the most money in their lifetime when they are older, therefore, becoming more attractive to women.

The examples of this is always some man who hit the genes lottery or some rich guy. The regular average everyday over 50 year old is never used as the example. You're either going to have senior model looks or going to be rich enough to take care of women.

[Anonymous]

Polling and statistics.
Women's attractiveness peaks higher and earlier, then there's a crossover point where men's average attractiveness increasing while women's is decreasing (around 28), then around 32 men peak and their average attractiveness goes into decline at a similar rate -- so men are seen on average as having higher attractiveness after about 28, but the decline is *absolute* value stays the same. So if we compare relative values, as both men and women diminish in attractiveness, the relative attractiveness of men to women *effectively* goes up for men.

[Rachelspiks]

Who says that? I've never heard anyone say it. No one becomes more attractive as they age, because as a person gets older their appearance deteriorates, as does their health. Grey hair and wrinkles are not attractive.

[Renegade_Sailor]

Men aquire wealth and status with time.

If a man makes good choices he is living the good life by 35-45.

A man can still get a woman pregnant into his elder years.

For women it is backwards, a woman has the value at the age of 16 that she will have in the sexual market place, and it slowly diminses as her fertility runs out.

[Wester1967]

Because when a guy gets over 50, he knows all the moves in the game, and has been beaten down by ruthless women so long that thee is almost zero interest. Women love that challenge, plus the money is in order, plus he’ll be dead soon and she can pick up his inheritance. Real win win for them if you know how the game is played

[SynthKobra]

Because as a guy works on his finances and health he gains a lot of value as a man. I think a lot of mens lives don’t start until their 30s (assuming they work hard, take care of themselves and never settle). Same goes with women. The problem is most people are lazy and start to feel it in their 30s onward - hell even their mid 20s. Young is a state of mind.

[jamesgoldman]

Compound interest
My associates are far richer the older they get
My friend is 26 and worth a few million, his dad is 53 and worth 20million
The guy I know from my restaurant days is 42 and worth 10million, his dad is 67 and worth 50million

It's not exclusive to the men as my antique dealer passed away a couple of years ago with 70-75million to her name at the age of 89

[Tiptoetamm]

I've always been attracted to guys older than me, they are more experienced, not shy about what they want and will take it. Not to mention that they know how to dress and represent themselves in public.

[Grubhub]

Any age of man can be shy

[Tiptoetamm]

True but most of then know what that want and go for it

[NicoletteXO]

ALL people's value increases as they get older, if they live a life of integrity.

ALL people's value decreases with age, if they live a life out of integrity.

It's that simple. The rest is dogma.

[pleasestopthis]

Because they become more experienced and wiser as they get older and that gives them a certain allure. A lot of young guys are super immature and overall dunderheaded

[m33lad]

Because not all of course but most men as they age they experience women as they get more experience with women they become more knowledgeable at the same time their wealth increases at the same time the power increases at the same time they become more powerful make more friends make more connections and sometimes these type of men have better bodies.


And women like alpha men who don’t need their validations to do something!

[EssenceOfLight]

A 20yo. guy is sexually always more attractive than an 40yo. However there are some things like social status, wealth, experience in matter of social competency... etc, in which older men outperform younger guys. Plenty of girls value those things a lot.

[bamesjond0069]

Not really. Many girls realize sex is a skill. A 40 year old man who fucked all the girls and leaves them chatting to their friends how good it was is sexually more attractive than a 20 year old virgin. For some reason id say like 90% of men have almost no sexual skill. Its pretty lame.

[EssenceOfLight]

I don't think it's really a sex skill problem. Older women who have some social status, money and things like men in their age prefer boys in early twenties as sex partner.
20 yo. girls start to think more practical about their partner choice after their first broken teen love. Teen love is lust based and probably only one true love your had in your life without any other interests.
Of course there are always exception but they are just the controlling group that doesn't act according to main rule.

[bamesjond0069]

I think you are watching too many pool boy pornos. Lol.

[EssenceOfLight]

Well, I came with arguments and you came with shitty ad hominem this disqualifies you as credible person for a discussion.
However it's not a private chat hence I add something for others who read this tread.
Being good in bed demands good physical constitution, endurance and a little bit creativity that is inborn. Old lard sack isn't the kind of sex partner girls want.
Don't tell me majority of 40+ men are in better physical shape then 20 yo. boys.

[bamesjond0069]

"Arguments" you mean baseless assertions? "prefer boys in early twenties" lmao. Yeah all these 40 and 50 year old women with 20 year old boyfriends... thats actually not very common at all outside of porn story lines.

"Don't tell me majority of 40+ men are in better physical shape then 20 yo. boys." If you think thats what makes good sex then you must be falling woefully short in the bedroom. Women are primarily aroused in their mind through emotional desire.

[EssenceOfLight]

Yeah, "emotional desire" for your rancid butt

[bamesjond0069]

Well, I came with arguments and you came with shitty ad hominem this disqualifies you as credible person for a discussion.

[Paul09]

You live you learn and you advance. Instead of giving up and not doing anything about anything. No offense à lot of women who bare children give up on their health. Even sone fathers. Which is very odd to me. If I had kids it would be the best excuse to be fit and healthy. And you know, monkey see, monkey do. You don't care about yourself, your kids may follow by example.

[aliali8]

reality is, older guys get less physically attractive with age too. But unless this ugly old guy is a wealthy millionare, he usually wouldn't be attracting any women at all.

[Assi2k]

Age is only a number. There’s handsome young men and more handsome mature men. I won’t limit myself with age thnx

[Buttonss]

you're 91

[Rob17792]

considering you're 91 the options for you are slim pickings. they're either on respiratory oxygen tanks or can't get it up anymore not even with viagra or in hospice or in a cemetary in a grave

[Buttonss]

@Rob17792 thanks for the laugh

[Rob17792]

but hey nothing beats finding one with a good 4 legged walker then you can hop right on and get free rides anywhere without having to pay for uber. the only downside is it would take you a lot longer to get to places and he might die of a heart attack before you get there but hey you get what you pay for

[Assi2k]

@Buttonss I WON’T limit myself!!!😂

I’m just playing. It’s only soul that’s 91 here bestie

[Assi2k]

@Rob17792 🤤🤤 4 legged walkers get me so wet🥵

[Rob17792]

well i guess you won't be needing any nurses aids to give you spongebaths then if you're already wet from 4 legged walkers

[exitseven]

When guys get older they have more skills and can maintain a home and fix a car. Their income is usually greater and they are more confident. Probably after 50 the phenomenon starts to wane especially if the guy doesn't take care of himself.

[Babygirl_S]

Gold-diggers say it mostly as most older men are richer. Some may also be attracted to a more mature personality. I prefer a young man in his late 20s who is tall with a handsome face who is fun to be with over a boring and serious man.

[Archerer]

I doubt you’ll think the same think when you are 30 or 40, but I hope you do

[Babygirl_S]

I like men 4 to 10 years older but I'd still continue to believe that men in their 20s look the best. Look at any celebrity. They were all so much hotter in their 20s. Darker eyebrows, younger skin, fuller lips and no receding hairline.

[Babygirl_S]

Older than me*

[Archerer]

Well I prefer older women, always have…

[Stoner710]

Because you have more money when your older. Women are like men with cash. This is why you see 35 year old men with 18 year olds

[bulletbob555]

As an older male I'm not sure. Yes I was more hansome when younger. I kept most of my good looks fortunately as I got older. Age on men and women I've always felt if you had it when you were younger you'll have it when you're older

[hahahmm]

Well, there's some females who looked great in their teens and still look amazing at 50. But the vast majority of women age like milk regardless of what they looked like when they were young. If they bother to really exercise & take care of themselves they can fight that tho. I've always felt that if you start exercising young (late teens/early 20s) it is WAY easier to stay in shape later in life.

[Ayanna240]

@hahahmm

aging has most to do with genes , not lifestyle. Most guys look like crap by their late 30s. It only gets worse after 40.

[hahahmm]

@Ayanna240 It's a combination of genes and exercise. The difference is that guys don't need looks as much as women do - or to put it another way, men care more about looks than women do in the long run even for guys who place a high value on personality.

[hahahmm]

But then that's why women would be wise to find a lifelong partner before they get old

[Ayanna240]

@hahahmm

If you’re trying to go for a young woman, you would need looks. Because reality is, a young woman had tons of tall handsome Young men around her. She doesn’t need to date a wrinkly fat man with bald spots. She’s not gonna marry you just cus you have a house and car either.

An older woman is more likely to settle for an ugly old man , not a young woman

[Ayanna240]

@hahahmm

Men assume that women like old guys. No we don’t. Most men look like crap by the time they hit 35.

[hahahmm]

@Ayanna240 "If you’re trying to go for a young woman, you would need looks" -- Not really. There's old fugly guys getting young women every day. Of course those older guys usually just want sex. It's not like they actually take her seriously. But yeah, in some cases they get married. Like Princess Diana's niece who is 20s and married some guy in his late 60s recently.

[bulletbob555]

I can't believe so much has been added to my post. I think its the genes that has a lot to do with it yes. Just let me say that in past ten years I've dated 20 somethings,30's and forty year olds. I go out with women my own age and get the why is that young guy going out with the older woman. I have all my hair and don't have wrinkles. I'm not sure if it's genes or dove soap I tell people. Now even my son asks do you think I'll look young all my life like you?

[Ayanna240]

@hahahmm

its true that most old guys in their 40s-50s usually only go for hot 20 yr olds for sex. Over 90% of the time, they do not have romantic intentions. This is because they know they would have absolutely nothing in common with someone around their daughter's age. If an old man is looking for love, he would be dating an older woman, not someone around his daughter's age.

[Ayanna240]

@bulletbob555

Its not common for young people to date someone 15-20 years older. Sure it may happen but only on pretty rare occasions. Most couples are 0-8 years apart.

[Coulis]

Woman's beuaty takes a battering from the ravages of child birth, husband putting up with and rasing kids.

[FilmGuy93]

To an extent. There are some women on here who have expressed that they don't find older men the slightest bit attractive.

[meetkitty123]

I don't know about values but I do believe quite a few get sexier 😈

[litty]

For one thing wealth. Having that security is attractive to those that need it.

There is also confidence. They've been there done that seen things they don't really care who knows it.

[hahahmm]

Even hardcore feminist worth millions prefer a guy who can give her more than he gets from her BUT a lot of women have to settle for less than their wishes because the best catches are selective.

[litty]

@hahahmm I didn't have millionaire match maker in mind, but it's true that the general population isn't looking to "take care" of another person.

It's also true that a lot of women have extremely high standards, which makes it impossible to find someone because that person they want doesn't exist lol.

[Ayanna240]

@hahahmm

You don’t think There won’t be poor guys going after a rich woman? You would have to be dumb as hell to believe that.

[hahahmm]

@Ayanna240 Not the point. The point is that women want a dude who gives them things because if nothing else it makes her feel good. Although many want it for the protection/stability of it. I know low income guys who married rich women. In every case I know of it's because she couldn't get a better catch to take her seriously so she basically bought a guy who doesn't even have any deep feeling for her. Not a great way to go.

[Ayanna240]

@hahahmm

What makes you think a woman gold digger must have feelings for her rich old man husband?

A relationship without any physical attraction is a sham. she doesn’t even want to have sex with you, she’s just doing it so that she can get paid

[Anonymous]

It's bullshit. There are young losers and old losers. And young winners and old winners. Stop falling for that dumb shit

[user1516]

Genes? Healthy diet? Exercise? Skin care? Hair care? Same thing with older women.

[VanillaSalt]

Except men want women for sex and children. Both are better and easier form younger women…

[anykayd]

@VanillaSalt

except younger women prefer young men that are still strong, young and fast with a full head of hair. Not some old wrinkly fat uncle with a huge bald spot

[VanillaSalt]

Not if the old guy has a sexy wallet… which the number of sugars are.

[anykayd]

@VanillaSalt A relationship without any kind of physical attraction is a sham. Let's see your fat wallet disappears and see if there will still be any gold diggers around?

[VanillaSalt]

Yep gotta keep the money coming in.. but I got a point to make on your your attraction comment. Most men arnt see as attractive. So you know 79% of men are seen as below average. Your basically telling these men kick rocks because you’ll never be loved. It don’t matter how great a man you are if your not hot. Anywho I just wanted to point out the difference not looking to deal with some dumbass argument your gonna throw out to defend why your offended about older men getting younger women…

However I am curious why you even bother answering this question. Your obviously very set in your belief and feel strongly about it. Why does it matter?

[anykayd]

@VanillaSalt

The reality is, younger women do not tend to date much older men. Most women are dating men less than ten years older than them. What I have a problem with is your delusional belief that women are attracted to men 10-30 years older than them. OR your delusional belief that men get more attracted as they approach 40. Bald spots, white hairs, wrinkles, weight gain, dull skin is never attractive. I don't care about what your desperate ass has to say, but I will never ever find that attractive nor would the overwhelming majority of women.

[anykayd]

typo:

OR your delusional belief that men get more attractive*** as they approach 40.

[VanillaSalt]

Careful your getting defensive.

[anykayd]

@VanillaSalt

i don't think im getting defensesive for not being attracted to 40 yr old men. I've never been attracted to them.

[tatianamay]

I prefer guys within my age range. This will not change even when I grow up.

[captain_voidwalker]

Mens value is intrinsically tied to his income. Generally speaking you make more money as you get older.

[jshm2]

Because he more likely has his shit together and his life on track.

[PatL11223]

Cause they have matured and grown the fuck up. No more energy and interest in the game anymore. Gentlemen and not charmers anymore. Huge difference between the two.

[pink_and_inlove]

I do not the think that’s true because erectile dysfunction is a thing remember? Lol

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Its bull. The increase value is only in his bank account if he has money otherwise he's a old rag needed for nothing.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Have you looked at an average 35 year old recently? Do and get your answer. They are nothing like the ones showed on tv and movies.

[jasco]

Some do actually become better looking simply because they take good care of themselves

[Anonymous]

They make more money.
More money usually means more experience and more privileges and sometimes also less anxiety.
Women love that, don't you think?

[Anonymous]

it is not always but money, experience, prestige generally increase by age and physical appearance get worse. Generally, men have prefer latter whereas women prefer other.

[Anonymous]

You should get out more and observe your surroundings.

[SneakiBreeki]

Why do people always use models to prove a point. The pictures are not your avearge old guy.

[Joker_]

Women value success, and many men only get successful when they've grown older

[Ayanna240]

Most men never become wealthy ever in their lives

[Joker_]

Most men become wealthier later on in their lives

[Asianguy123]

When I was younger I liked old man but now I like my age. My friend is opposite. He likes older men as he get older

[Anonymous]

Because a guys value is determined more by his status.

[Kvnnhanmaa]

Because men aren’t held to the same beauty standards as women our value to them is externally based

[Ninani]

Maturity is sexy. Men usually get that from aging.

[nella965]

You’ve got to be out of your mind. Wrinkles , Weight gain, sagginess Bald spots are sexy to you?

[Ninani]

A brilliant mind is sexy to me.

[nella965]

Would you date a 60 yr old?

[Ninani]

If I'm attracted to him, yes

[nella965]

That is weird af

[Ninani]

Wow, you're judgmental, alright

[Aphrodite801]

Not her willing to date a 60 year old 💀💀💀

[Rachelspiks]

@nella965 You forgot to mention false teeth, hearing loss, and age spots.

[Ninani]

I did say I'd only date him if I'm attracted, though 😂

[Aphrodite801]

Yeah but apparently you only care about the “brilliant mind”, so it’s no surprise you would date some dusty older dude

[Ninani]

Yeah, I care about the mind AND physical attraction over a number

[nella965]

@Aphrodite801

Some people might find wrinkles , false teeth, erectile dysfunction , sagginess , bald spots to be attractive. You never know. Just as weird as men who are attracted to obese women. Trust me there are guys like that out there

[Anonymous]

Take the red pill see the damn facts out there once you red pilled things become different

[Flower7]

This isn't true. Balding looks very bad.

[litty]

That's not true either. Look at all the famous people that are bald and tell me who looks bad.

[nella965]

@litty

Most men don’t look good having a bald spot in the center of their heads.

[TallAnon]

Do you mean someone like Dwayne Johnson is ugly or do you mean someone who tries to have a regular hairstyle with a random bald spot?

[Flower7]

@TallAnon I don't like heads that are all the way bald or partially balding.

[TallAnon]

I see, I think you're definitely the exception in this case.

[anykayd]

@TallAnon

do you realize hair loss is a very common part of male aging? a bald spot is never sexy.

[TallAnon]

We were including completely bald as well

[litty]

@anykayd Lol, so is menopause, which can also cause women to lose hair.

[anykayd]

@litty

Menopause does not cause hair loss. I've seen many many women hit menopause and still have their hair. Hair loss is a male thing.

[litty]

@anykayd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPMYtDRMbcI

Menopause causes a loss of estrogen which can lead to hair loss.
Those women you saw may have been healthy, treated their condition, or were wearing a wig.
It's not like if you have a huge zit the first thing you'll do is show everybody that sees you.

In any case, I suggest researching more into menopause so there aren't any surprises when you reach it.

[anykayd]

@litty

All my aunts are 50+, my own other is 62 and I've never seen her lose her hair. My boss is 54 and she still has her hair.

Hair loss is much more common amongst men 30+ years than women.

[anykayd]

@litty

Just take a look on the street, much more bald men than women. Sure women may lose a few hairs but we dont grow bald spots like you.

[TallAnon]

Anecdotal evidence, nice

[litty]

@anykayd Lol I'll just give you some time to get past your stage of anger and denial.

[anykayd]

@litty who is angry? I definitely see more bald men on the street than bald women. Many guys grow bald spots as young as 35.

[anykayd]

@litty I'm not lying. I've never seen a woman with a huge bald spot in the middle of her head. The only ones i've ever seen with that are men

[TallAnon]

Again, anecdotal evidence, nice.

[anykayd]

@TallAnon

Its not anecdotal at all. I dare you to take a poll on GAG

[TallAnon]

"I've never seen" -> Anecdotal evidence
Asking 20 people is still not a viable representation.
You made the claim that women do not have bald spots, the burden of proof is on you.

[anykayd]

@TallAnon

i don't think anyone is gonna say they see more balding women than balding men. And you know this.

[TallAnon]

Oh, you're changing your statement from none to less?

[anykayd]

@TallAnon

i don't have to prove something that is common knowledge in our society. Maybe you're just bitter because only men get bald and women do not.

[TallAnon]

I have no problem with guys being bald.
I do think it's funny how you went to your second fallacy, argumentum ad populum, it was common knowledge that the world was flat, it is not. You still have the burden of proof.

[anykayd]

@TallAnon

because no girl is ever attracted to bald spots.

[TallAnon]

Ah, back to anecdotal evidence.

[anykayd]

@TallAnon i don't find balding men to be attractive

[litty]

@anykayd You seem to have some kind of misunderstanding. No one is saying or cares whether there are more bald men than women. That fact is women do go bald.

It's funny that you are spending more time fighting us on this than doing actual research on the subject yourself. It's like I could put this article here, and you'll act like it isn't real.

www.healthline.com/.../female-pattern-baldness

Also don't believe everything you see. Looks can be deceiving. Put yourself in the seat of a woman with alopecia. You wouldn't want your friends to know if you were balding either.

[anykayd]

@litty

Its not common for females to go bald. But it is common for men to go balding by mid 30s

[litty]

@anykayd It gets more common the older men and women become. That's just how life is. Don't stress it though. You still got at least 25 years till menopause.

[anykayd]

@litty you don't have to pretend women grow bald as they get older like men do. We all have eyes and we see what happens in the world all around us. No need to lie

[TallAnon]

Ad hominem, are you just going through a list of fallacies and trying to fit them all in one conversation?

[anykayd]

@TallAnon

how many women with bald spots do you see on the streets?

[TallAnon]

Do I see enough women to have a statistical representation of the whole population? Nope. So is that relevant? Nope.
But yes, I do know women with bald spots.

[litty]

@anykayd You say you are not angry yet you’ve been trolling us. And if you haven’t then maybe you aren’t really 24 and we’ve been talking to a 10 year old that uses concrete thinking. And maybe you are so scared of going bald yourself you think if you can’t see it then it won’t happen to you.

@TallAnon told you you have to prove what you said and your answer was that your boss and random people on the street have hair. How can it get any dumber that that? In any case, your merry go round of bullshit & denial is getting stale so that’s it for me.

[anykayd]

@litty

why would i be angry if women don't grow bald spots? name one woman who has a bald spot

[TallAnon]

lmgtfy.app/?q=women+with+bald+spots&t=i&iie=1

[anykayd]

@TallAnon thats right. you don't know of any women with bald spots.

[TallAnon]

I just gave you about a million examples, good luck with those.

[anykayd]

@TallAnon those aren't even examples.

[TallAnon]

Lmao

[anykayd]

@TallAnon im not attracted to bald spots on men. don't like white hairs and wrinkles either. no grandpas or old fat 45 yr old uncles

[TallAnon]

Ok, good luck with that.

[Anonymous]

Cause women love a dysfunctional wrinkly penis

[Friendlybro79]

Because some people believe it to be true.

[TheFlak38]

because time favours men. not women.

[Ayanna240]

I don’t find guys in their late 30s-40s attractive

[TheFlak38]

@Ayanna240 yes until you've found the 40 year old of your irrational standards and expectations. Then you fuck him doggystyle without even knowing his name to the point that you're willing to become a single mother that belongs to the streets.

[Ayanna240]

only men die alone, women don't die alone. A woman can always have kids before her child bearing years are over. A single man can't have kids unless he gets married. he's gonna have to wait and beg as he grows older fatter and wrinklier by the year, still hoping a young woman would want to have kids with him.

[TheFlak38]

@Ayanna240 yes and then you woke up. also you're such a fuckin retard that it took you 8 days to give me a reply

[ChiPaPa]

I dunno. I'm ugly as hell

[anylolone]

Because wealth correlates well with age.

[Ayanna240]

So why is the most common age of marriage for a man in 2020, 33 years old?

[anylolone]

@Ayanna240 And? That's like years from hitting the wall.

So as wealthy as possible while still being hot.

[Ayanna240]

Overwhelming majority of men will never hit millionaire status in their lives. Only Very wealthy men attract women, not the average joe. No woman is gonna marry you just cus you have a house and a car

[anylolone]

@Ayanna240 But you most likely will only date a guy that's wealthier than you, has a stable job and own house, at least if you can.

Which is why the model of relationship 20 something guys experience is being fucked for a few months and dropped for the next guy she's gonna fuck for a few months.

I learned that in highschool with my female friends, and that's one of the reasons I chose not to date until I was of age. Not that it served for much, but to be honest, it at least gave me time to study, lol!

[Ayanna240]

@anylolone

By the time I hit my 30s, I would have plenty of money , high paying job, investments, why would I need to marry for money if I already have money? Rich women can afford to marry men they want, without considering his income.

[anylolone]

@Ayanna240 Well, a lot of people think one can't ever have enough.

One thing I saw a lot was women wanting a hot man to come and also save them from their debts, or, from their work, or just be a huge step up their career.

[Ayanna240]

Nobody is gonna marry you simply because you have a house and a car. Most women nowadays work jobs and steady careers and are buying their own houses/ cars. Unless you're a millionaire, nobody will care about you.

And if you really think its a good idea to marry a gold digger who wants to marry you just because she wants you to pay off her credit card debt, then go ahead. She will just use you for your money then dump / divorce you for a man that she is actually physically and mentally attracted to. A relationship is a complete sham without physical attraction. She doesn't actually want to have sex with you, she just wants to get paid for it.

[anylolone]

@Ayanna240 Well, sorry, but marriage statistics show you are wrong somewhere there.
"Women have jobs and careers..." does that impede them from wanting more to the point of feeling entitled to it?

[Ayanna240]

I've dated A LOT. From my experience, the only men who complain about not being able to get a woman due to lack of finances, tend to be men who are completely broke , work near minimum wage jobs, no savings in their 30s. If you have a decent paying job, steady career, you will be fine.

Women are not looking for rich men, they are just not looking for some guy who has no idea how to run his life. If you're almost 40 years old and you are still making minimum wage, no savings, broke as hell, it shows that you're not competent as an adult. If you can't even support yourself, how are you going to help her support kids?

[anylolone]

@Ayanna240 It's like there's no completely broke women, work near minimum wage jobs, no savings in their 30s, etc.

[Ayanna240]

thats true. women get more financially stable with age too. so if she sees a man who is completely broke, still lives in his mother's basement at the age of 39, she's not gonna be turned on by that. she's not looking for a rich man, just a man who isn't a loser. if you what you gotta do career wise in your 20s, you will be financially stable in your 30s. If you fool around in your 20s, you will just be broke in your 30s.

If you're a broke man, try to go for poor women. They would be more understanding of you. I work around a lot of poor women, they typically are married to other poor men.

but understand this, you will never be able to raise kids without becoming financially stable. Men on here talk a ton about womens fertility. But who cares about her fertility , if you don't even have the money to support a family? Nowadays housewives are becoming increasingly unaffordable, cost of living is rising, how are you supposed to have kids if you aren't financially stable?

[Ayanna240]

and some of hte non sense that men talk about on here is that they think if they are financially stable enough to buy a house and car then it means that women are willing to marry them.

Let me clear one thing for you: NOBODY is gonna marry you just because you have a house and a car. Nobody is gonna fall in love with you because you have a house. I'm gonna be buying my own house in 5 years, I don't need your fucking house.

[anylolone]

@Ayanna240 Not that alone. "If you're a broke man, try to go for poor women. They would be more understanding of you. I work around a lot of poor women, they typically are married to other poor men."

I don't have a problem, is my poor women (and frequently rich women) who have a problem and then come bitching here and everywhere.

"I'm gonna keep simping for rich chads until one fucks me, I'm gonna keep simping for rich chads until one takes me." lol! A to some extent guys ain't much different but the vast majority ditch the wealth requirement.

[Ayanna240]

[I don't have a problem, is my poor women (and frequently rich women) who have a problem and then come bitching here and everywhere.]

i can say the same for men on GAG. when was the last time you found a guy on here who wasn't whining, complaining or moaning or shitting on women? none

["I'm gonna keep simping for rich chads until one fucks me, I'm gonna keep simping for rich chads until one takes me." lol! A to some extent guys ain't much different but the vast majority ditch the wealth requirement.]

only men with no personality or looks would say that they need a ton of money to attract women. I've seen PLENTY of poor men who have wives and children. Poor people tend to marry the poor. Rich men tend to marry other rich women. People tend to wed those of their own kind.

[Ayanna240]

For you, your time is running out if you're looking for a young woman of child bearing age. 41 is definitely not the age where you should be extremely picky on who you date especially if you lack personality and looks. Men without options shouldn't be picky.

[anylolone]

@Ayanna240 "Men without options shouldn't be picky." neither should women, and men certainly are less picky for the options they have.

[Ayanna240]

i think you need to get off GAG lala dream land and realize that men in their 40s do not get more attractive to young women.

[anylolone]

@Ayanna240 Not physically, I never said their value increase because of physicality.

Also, the post doesn't say "40" the post says "with age".

And don't worry, I'm more than conscious that I hit the wall, you won't take that very well when it happens to you, if it's even applicable to you, some people are born past the wall.
Besides that, I get attention from brats, I'm not interested even in non brats, no need to take the contratual part of my open relationship into praxis.
You will orbit some 30 something chad dude, while breaking the heart of brat chad, well, that's if you can ever get that.

[Ayanna240]

I’m not afraid of hitting the wall because I will be having a child and a family regardless if I get married or not. Single women can have kids without a husband. Single men can’t have kids without a wife

[Ayanna240]

If I’m still single by 34/35, I’ll just have 2 kids. and when I’m looking for a sperm donor or a man to have kids with , I’m not looking for a guy over 40.

[Ayanna240]

I’m not looking for refrigerated sperm either. I’m looking for fresh sperm from a young man, straight from the source.

[anylolone]

@Ayanna240 You aren't wrong, you should look for young sperm, it's way more likely to result in healthier kids.

Also, pay the brat the fortune he deserves and pray he doesn't sue you for custody, lol!

Your plan ain't bad if you want very little, after all two parent households are way superior.

[Ayanna240]

Marriages don’t work anyways, statistically 46% of all us marriages end in divorce. Now millions of kids are raised by single moms and see dad once a month

[anylolone]

@Ayanna240 Exactly, most by no fault divorce by women who think being bored and monkey branching is a good reason to get divorced.
I know plenty.

Marriage doesn't work, pair bonding on the other hand is what brought our species here.
But you can co-parent with a loyal friend. Remember, it's not enough that they are loyal to you, you have to be loyal as well.

[Ayanna240]

I’m thinking about co parenting but finding the man with the right genes , being able to support a family sufficiently with ease , has the right character is also difficult nowadays. I don’t plan on having kids with a man who struggles financially or is unreliable / untrustworthy or Is a bad role model for The kids

[Ayanna240]

At the end of my life , I don’t plan on dying all lonely and neglected. By the time I’m 50 and if we both were still single , we will just get married so we would have someone to be there for each other when we hit old age. Loneliness And feeling neglected is a huge thing amongst the elderly. We can enjoy retirement together too.

Many of these fools obsess over romance and “love” until half of them find themselves divorced by 45. Then they remain single for the rest of their lives dying alone. Their ex wives take custody and they only see their kids once a month

If romance was really the secret to a forever lasting marriage then why do almost half of all marriages end in divorce? What has gone wrong?

I wouldn’t say women are the culprit for these divorces. If men had less to lose from divorce , I’m sure men would be filing for divorce too

[anylolone]

@Ayanna240 For what you are saying, the man with the right genes for yourself is the average man, anything more should cost you a fortune.

Also, a man who can support himself is more than good enough for you.

Having the right character is good, yes, you want a man several times more moral than you who has the maturity not to baby sit you over your pettiness, he'll be settling way down under such circumstances and should understand it.

And yeah, you are right, he should be a good role model, to compensate.

[Ayanna240]

I think there are a lot of men out there who are frustrated with dating and just want nothing more than to have a steady family. There is a Feeling security that you get from having a family that you can’t get from simply a “date” or a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship.

So far I have been able to find myself a couple of guys In their 30s who are looking For marriage and children without the romance. All 3 are financially stable , but only 1 out of the 3 qualified the most. He’s a doctor which is an indication of intellect , very financially well off. But what upset him was that I wasn’t interested in getting married within the next 2 months. I was 25, my career not yet in order , too early to be locked down with kids , I had my entire young adult Life/ experience unexplored. And of course I wanted to continue dating Further to see if I could eventually find the right person. He was 32-33, he’s older so of course he’d be more comfortable settling down.

Intelligent Financially well off men tend to exist And work in larger cities rather than the suburbs. Finding these types is all based on luck and rolling the dice. Most guys aren’t them but if you hangout in the right places , you will eventually find them

[Ayanna240]

Being Financially secure is one of the most important things because I plan on still maintaining my career after having my children. Sure I’d love to become a stay home mom for my babies but it’s unrealistic because I still have to save for retirement , I still have to maintain my own net worth, i have to pay my share of my kids future college education, I plan on retiring early too.
So If I need a baby sitter on certain days , I gotta make sure that we can afford it. If I must work part time so I can be home for the kids for 2 years , he needs to be able to support the family for 2 years.

[Ayanna240]

Personally I was raised by poor parents who pinched pennies to raise me. Being under a lot of financial stress really places an immense burden and Gives a huge headache to parents. Ans as a result , the kids usually end up suffering too because angry bitter sad moody parents just end up abusing the kids either verbally or emotionally. Bitter angry parents will not give kids a decent childhood.

[anylolone]

@Ayanna240 I understand such, which is why I said "a man that can take care of himself".
Anything from that to above it is a plus.

Also, most divorces are motivated by money in some way, but wealth does not correlate to divorce, let that sink in. That shows that from a certain point, financial stress becomes relative.

[Ayanna240]

@anylolone

Top reason for divorce are financial problems. Its been statically proven through research data that financially unstable couples are the most likely to divorce. While college educated husband and wives , both financially stable are least likely to divorce. As you can see the lack of money can be a really big problem when it comes to supporting a family.

Divorce happens a lot nowadays because people see marriage as a joy ride at an amusement park. Once the passion, excitement fades , people start ditching their spouses. If you're bored of your spouse, divorce is the solution. Rather than looking at the bright side of marriage and looking to see how you can patch things up, people look for reasons to divorce / ditch. Marriage is not a joy ride. Its supposed to be a union where you both support each other forever.

Arraigned marriages have 4% divorce rate while romance marriages have 46% divorce rate.
As you can see, romance or love really isn't the secret to a happy long lasting marriage. Its the willingness and determination to stick together through not only good times but also bad times.

[Ayanna240]

[I understand such, which is why I said "a man that can take care of himself".]

here's where things get complicated:

A single man can take care of himself well with a 55k salary. But when you add 2-3 kids , college tuition fund, retirement savings, maybe wife who stays home part time to take care of the kids, baby sitter money , mortgage payments, this is when things start getting complicated and financial struggles intensifies.

[anylolone]

@Ayanna240 But you gonna add those anyway, so that ain't the issue.

[Anonymous]

I don't know, clearly a lie

[Jouth]

because men are better y chromosome

[Anonymous]

Probably because they become less stupid.. lol

[Anonymous]

I don't know I'm afraid of getting older..

[Anonymous]

who said he becomes more attractive?