This way of thinking is basically Dehumanizing them and it's not good!
What do you think of the "Men don't cry" culture? Is it causing more harm, than good in men?
This way of thinking is basically Dehumanizing them and it's not good!
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I make no secret of the fact I was bullied as a kid at school, but I don't know I have ever divulged quite how bad things were. I was mentally tortured as well as kicked and punched (I use to use Rugby as the reason of all the bruising to my parents)
I would sit or stand and just take everything they dished out just sobbing.
My Mum use to say when I got home that she didn't want me playing Rugby any more, and my dad use to say "nonsense, it makes a man of him"
I eventually told my Dad what was going on and he said, If it happens again I don't want you to cry, I want you to hit them back only harder and get even.
He took me to Karate Classes and I loved it there. I felt so safe, invincible even, because everything was so controlled.
I was still taking a beating at school for the next 3 years but I never let them see me cry again.
I was finally pushed over the edge and I retaliated. I won't go into details but I got suspended for a couple of weeks after my Dad went up there and explained how long it had been going on for (I was originally expelled)
I now take regular classes (Krav Maga) and I don't cry. I think it is a weakness that you should NEVER show to others, because they will use it against you.
This does oppose your view on why men shouldn't cry but I hope I have done a good job of explaining why it is part of men's culture not to.
I'm am sorry you had to go threw that. You had every right to take out cry let every out. It's not healthy to not cry.
@Alwayreckles93 @mrsposh Thank you, both of you.
@mrsposh And thank you also for choosing my answer as best.
@nice-girl I agree completely. And that is why I advise people to be VERY sure their relationship is sound before they have children, and not to have a child because they think it might bring them closer together.
@TommyMountainFigure You are very welcome đĽ°
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I use to believe in it when I was a younger I was kind of a crybaby back then I was weak and showed weakness. But all that changed when I started getting harassed and bullied physically and verbally badly. After that I had an epiphany of sorts. I realized that crying while it may make you feel better for a few minutes is ultimately useless. It does nothing to solve the issue.
And I quite frankly started seeing the world for cruel and nasty place that it is and that it'll beat you to knee's and keep you there permanently if you let it. And the people were just as bad.
So I hardened myself I became calm, collected, stoic, dominate, physically strong, took up martial arts, fighting, became confident, stopped giving a shit and just figuratively cut out crying like one cuts out a tumor and I surrounded myself with those kinds of people.
And every time I decided to open up, be vulnerable and it backfired I'd make revert back to the hardened version which now a days is just me now, the old me is long dead and gone. These days if I'm ever vulnerable with anyone it's only with the people I'm closest with who have earned my trust over the course of years.
An example of one of the many reasons why I am this way I had a girlfriend and she'd ask me to be vulnerable and that it's ok for to cry and all that. Well one day I was going through a really tough time, trouble at home, overwhelmed and was kind of having a mental breakdown. So I tried being vulnerable and opening up about what was going on.
Well as soon as I did that she basically told me to man up and just deal with it and if I couldn't she was gonna leave me.
And don't get the wrong idea I'm not some emotionless robot who doesn't feel anything to those who know me personally and closely I'm a very friendly, goofy and generally happy guy among other things.
And I will cry in private but only if I'm facing something huge and devastating and I feel it's necessary. Like when my best friend who I was trying to help through depression shot himself and I ended up being the one who discovered him ultimately that along some rumors going around about him not even a few days after he died kind of sent me over the edge.
And if I do ever decide to cry in the presences of a partner again it'll only be with someone who's earned my trust and is someone I trust explicitly and who I feel comfortable with.
Because I won't allow myself to be at my weakest and most vulnerable and a woman use that to prey on and attack/threaten me again.
Not at all. The "men don't cry" culture - as you call it - is one of the last remaining vestiges of self-control in a society that increasingly fosters the idea that one's feelings are the most important thing. Thus does any semblance of self-control evaporate.
Don't get me wrong. I have cried. I cried when I held my newborn son in my arms. I have cried when I broke up with a woman I was in love with broke up with me. There have been moments, good and bad.
The point is that they were personal and private moments. I did not lack for passion, but it was not my prerogative to spread the turmoil I was feeling, one way or the other, to others who have their own issues to deal with.
The point is to - as the kids say - "suck it up." Face life, and employ the mind and not the heart. The heart is irrational and the passions are often destructive to those around us. By controlling the heart and employing the mind, we protect those around us and keep private that which ought to be private.
We are drowning in an age where people just cannot imagine that their feelings don't matter. That the response to their unhappiness is to inflict their misery on other. The result is the social chaos you see around you.
Time for the world to grow up. Start from the premise that the feelings of others matter more than one's own. The "men don't cry" culture is the last - and frankly dying vestige of that self-control. Perish the thought we lose that, too.
No, it's natural, men can't cry, it will be used against us. Especially by the same people who say it's ok to cry. It's healthier, and has less long term consequences to honestly get drunk and break the things/people that are causing issues.
I'd have less problems in my life going to court for aggravated assault, burglary, whatever, I can drag that trial for years and get the charges dropped every time, then go in front of a judge instead of making the deal I was hinting at and get not guilty. Cry in front of your wife for any reason other than someone close to you being dead, and still I would choose another guy to cry with rather than a woman. That shit is never going away, and their perspective of you is changed.
"Men can cry" is the culture that is new and unnatural, it's an idea that came out about the same time as toxic masculinity, strong men aren't afraid to cry and go to therapy. They're moves to emasculate and destroy your life. Real men don't put up with shit to let it get to that point is my opinion.
There is no "men don't cry" culture. There is a culture that generally does not consider male problems.
Boys do not cry publicly because there is no use for a male to cry publicly.
If a male is sick, it's his problems. If a male is harassed it's his problems. If a male has mental problems it is his problems. If a male has any kind of problem, that problem belongs to him alone. Crying publicly is of no use to him. Nobody will ever help him. If a male has a problem and asks for help, all doors are closed.
If a male shows he is in need, he is systematically ignored by women as a potential partner.
Many males face risk and danger every day because if they die or get injured, nobody cares.
There is no toxic masculinity. But there is a huge empathic gap towards males who are denied any empathy since they are children, only by everyone except adult family members.
First you need to become empathetic to male problems then you can think about asking yourself questions about why males do not express their emotions. Being empathetic means that they don't use their weaknesses against them, as many manipulators do. Unfortunately, women use these manipulative strategies a lot against those who show their emotions.
Agree, true men take ownership of their problems.
I really do not think it is a generalized situation... at least not here where I grew up and how I grew up
even on TV, the media... men cry all the time and it is alright, I saw it in sports all the time, one side will win and will cry out of joy, the other side will lose and will cry their frustration out, and it is alright... it is normal and it is okay
and yes, I have also seen some people who are like this "men don't cry" but they are very very few, and they are the odd ones out
again this is just my experience, I am sure it would have been different for many others
glad to share (=
It's extremely harmful and is the definition of "toxic masculinity".
It's especially harmful to younger men.
The men in my life who are the most successful and most happy all understand the value of being able to genuinely express their emotions.
The ones who don't and who believe in the whole "men don't cry" toxicity are honestly very unhappy. And it's entirely self-imposed.
Emotions are human. And men are human.
Learning to handle one's emotions in a healthy, human way is vital to being a well-adjusted and mature adult.
Sometimes that means leaving behind beliefs and communities that espouse toxic mindsets like "men don't have emotions except anger and horny" in order to heal and deprogram from these unhealthy beliefs.
Nobody says that men can't express feelings, there are many ways to do it, the fact that women express feelings by crying doesn't meen men should. Thats just a women trying to feminize men. When ever I see a woman using the Toxic masculinity slogan, I immediately minimize her input. Men are reached to act, because crying does nothing to solve any problem, once the man acts, he can get motivated and his emotions change. When you are in a deep hole, literally, crying for an hour just leaves you in the same place, but if he uses that hour to try to get out of the hole, he feels much better. If that is toxic, well I hope everyone becomes toxic.
Toxic masculinity is simply Men trying to live up to to social rules women have for us.
If wearing a pink tutu got men positive female attention it would be dress code for the military.
Men don't make social rules other than don't speak to each other in the restroom. Men don't cry because women find it repulsive. It's that simple.
Since the industrial revolution we have had a long open discussion and movement to allow women the freedom from the ancient social rules that constrained them. We can't even discuss the rigid and strict social rules men are forced to follow. We haven't even started on that road. Men are still in the exact same box we have been in for millennia.
Men have three choices in life, military, work or prison.
See, people? The above is exactly what I mean by "they're trapped in a self-imposed prison".
Boys. You can choose not to listen to the social rules "women have for you".
Just ignore them. Do you. Be emotional in whatever way you feel is best for you.
But crying for an hour before you decide "ok, time to get shit done" is not a gendered thing. Men do this frequently. Even in the military. Heck, especially in the military.
Emotional resilience and handling emotion is literally one of the things they teach.
"Boys. You can choose not to listen to the social rules "women have for you".
Yes, you can be an incel.. that's what happens to men who don't follow the rules.. nothing, I repeat, nothing is as repulsive to women as a man who cries, it's a one way ticket to the friend zone.
No, @Esperanto. Emotional maturity is a skill military officers have needed and studied for many years, through many wars.
It isn't because of women. It's because leading people to and through deadly situations requires control over one's emotions.
Ignoring, avoiding, or shutting it down isn't handling it. Knowing how to navigate the emotions of yourself and your team would only make a unit safer.
If every soldier was as self-centred as you, there wouldn't be amazing feats of command from the battle field.
I see this as a mischaracterization from soft-minded people. You see men still idolize Maximus from Gladiator, for example:

... and yet he cried like a baby when he dashed home to his dead wife and child:

I've yet to meet a single man fault him for crying here because he didn't cry to gain attention, or make a big deal out of something small. He cried because he is human and he experienced something devastating.
Now if some man came into the scene and teased Maximus for crying, then I think that man deserves to get his ass kicked. But I've yet to meet that man.
From my blunt standpoint though, I'm gender-neutral. I think neither men nor women should cry very much. I don't like women who cry all the time any more than men who cry all the time.
Same with anger though if people think I worship "masculine" over "feminine". In the same way that I disapprove of men or women crying all the time, I also disapprove of men or women getting angry all the time. I disapprove of negative people in general.
I think it depends. On quick many people will say it´s harmful and dehumanizing and they´re probably right speaking for many situations but there are other situations where a man keeping his shit together is more appreciated and wanted.
Like take a situation where a woman freaks out about spiders and bugs in her bed, how do you think does she want her man to react on these insects when he sees them first?
Do you think she wants to see him panic or grimace because he hates bugs and spiders the same way`?
No she probably him to kill or throw them out.
So to speak it I´d say every guy must find a way to come to terms with his feelings and emotions but that doesn´t mean that he has to cry in front of a woman. It also doesn´t mean that we all down the other extreme by making guys share their emotions publically.
Because that would be neither helpful.
I always tell men, if you feel strong emotions, only share with your close friends, those who share your situation or someone older you can trust. Never in front of women, unless she's your mother, sister, etc. Men gain little by getting emotional. Women may superficially express concern and support but in the long term they lose respect and sexual attraction. Moreover, women do not understand most of the problems men face so it's of no advisory use.
What men need is an outlet
Some one needs to be the machine and that role has fallen to men it's fine honestly or at least it would be if men had an outlet
Women and trans men are taking up these outlets just for fun
Women don't need to hide emotions and in fact are encouraged to let them out
Trans men are babbied the LGBTQ community and get a safe space to boot
A straight non trans man they had use to have clubs and the YMCA but not anymore
Saying men shouldn't be held to standard is dangerous as this standard is what makes fire fighters, cops, soldiers, medics and oil workers
However not giving them an outlet is also dangerous
Personally, I don't understand the idea behind glorifying the lack of ability to regulate one's emotions, but to each their own.
I will keep on keeping my emotions in check, not because "I'm a man" but because I think crying is both emotionally immature as well as objectively unproductive.
Sure, and anger is also an emotion and a part of being human and yet punching people and breaking things is frowned upon and those who fall victim to such emotions are criticized for not being able to control them.
So why is that some emotions we are expected to control and inhibit, but the failure to do same with others is somehow perceived as "a strength"?
Adults don't cry nor scream, that's what children do.
It's funny guys telling each other when it good fo cry when not to
I look at it like this if a man breaks down and crys
It because something big has just happen in his life that makes him think, makes him feel something deep I'm very confident in my everyday life if somebody wants to judge me that's up to them I could really care less if it's not about them it's about me and what I feel and if it affects me enough to make me cry and it's pretty powerful
Thank you for asking one of the best things about me is I've been blessed to be me I'm rough around the edges my hands are big and calloused I can build anything I can do anything most people would say a man's man I don't need to be loud or I don't need to bring attention to myself I see both sides of every story and if I feel something it makes it to your fall from my face it's because whatever it was our whatever that person was meant something to me and I'm not afraid to be seen showing my emotion because of what I feel towards that person or towards that pet or whatever the reason may be I am me and I like me I've nothing to hide even though I would rather be seen and not heard I like to be invisible but it is what it is and I'm not afraid to be that person we all get to choose who we want to be in life and the person that I have chose to be is just me
Men cryâŚ
And if I am a woman man can cry with, Iâll just feel honored to be the one he trusts and will care for him deeply.
Iâve made men cry.
Which I feel deeply sorry for as these men were the most special to me. And I cared for their feelings a lot.
Being able to show his deep feelings makes me think heâs strong.
But I also remember a story my grandpa told me, oh he was that blond blue eyed guy every girl had a crush on, he broke heart of many women and once met a girl, who refused sleeping with him, he made up a story and even cried to make her trust him more, they finally slept together. My grandpa always told me not to trust menâs tears.
But I guess thatâs just about tears of womanizers.
Mmm yea baby I like the man thatâs crying like a pussy - said no woman everđ
Lots of men face danger and terror on a regular basis. Military, miners, sailors, construction workers, electrical linemen, and many others. We have to be tough or we couldn't function and the world will fall apart. This has always been men's reality, and even in 2022, your very survival depends on tough men doing difficult and dangerous work and not letting their own terror hold them back.
This doesn't mean that we don't have feelings, we just prefer not to express them publicly. There are times when showing those feelings can literally mean our own death.
What would help is some understanding if we are emotional in private with our women. I don't mean crying because we're out of ketchup or beer, but if a pet dies or a parent is diagnosed with cancer or something, there are women who literally hold that against men, and in my opinion, that is disgusting. If a man is that emotional in private a few times a year, that should be respected.
Because a whiny man is a puss cake. Its unappealing. Nobody cares. When a woman cries for harrassment at work, management is on top of that like stink on shit. When i had multiple women harrassing me at work (yes, it can happen), i tried informing managment of the problem. Guess what? Nobody cared... Why? Because a man owns his problems and takes care of them. Society and natural selection doesn't permit a man to cry about his problems. Its not to say we dont cry- we do, and we do have feelings. But to cry, whine or openly express emotion as you put it, shows a loss of control, which nobody has respect for, especially a man
Well it is damaging, and an agenda pushed by toxic masculinity that any emotion other than anger/rage is weakness. It essentially created a bunch of emotionally suppressed and stunted men unable to process or deal with their emotions in a healthy and productive way. Thankfully mental health professionally are addressing this, and giving men a safe space to heal from generational trauma, the tools they need work though and process their emotions, and changing the lies the society has been spewing about was real masculinity is.
The last thing any woman needs is another pussy
@Creampiekarl420 Feel free to elaborate on that
Well would you want a man who complains like a woman? Itâs rhetorical of course you wouldnât no woman wants a whiny man and my mom taught me that
@Creampiekarl420 there is a difference between crying over nothing and asking for support when you endured hell on this earth.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 it doesnât matter a grown man shouldnât cry
@Creampiekarl420 that mentality is the cause for many suicides.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 suicide is caused by weakness
@Creampiekarl420 there is a difference between communication and whining, the two are no synonymous
@Creampiekarl420 actually the leading causes of suicide are
Depression, other mental disorders, or substance use disorder.
Chronic pain.
Family history of a mental disorder or substance use.
Family history of suicide.
Exposure to family violence, including physical or sexual abuse.
@Subarugirl only weak men with no control are subjected to
@Creampiekarl420 and it takes a strong man who has humility to recognize that he needs help⌠it would appear you are neither of those things. Every medical professional would disagree with you on that frontâŚ. Counseling and therapy has been proven to be beneficial to mental health
@Subarugirl yes life is hard you donât have to cry about though thatâs what bitches do an even stronger man rolls with the punches and keeps it moving stop encouraging men to not be men
@grega239 Not necessarily, there is no denying that the family court and justice system is totally fucked, but a spouse losing all of their possessions in a divorces is extremely rare. From a legal aspect you generally get to keep what you came into the relationship with and assets gained during the divorce are split. I think a lot of men here about these horror stories which are actually by far a minority and forget that the majorities of divorces are an negotiation between the couples separating.
@grega239 Assets are divided in accordance with state law, so it is important to know whether you live in an equitable distribution or community property. In Equitable Distribution states, all marital earnings and assets will be divided between the parties in a fair and reasonable manner given each parties circumstances. A court would consider a range of factors when dividing property, which includes, but is not limited to the length of your marriage, amount of income, liabilities, health, whether you have children, etc. In a Community Property state, there is an absolute 50/50 of all property acquired during a marriage regardless of how the asset is titled. Property acquired prior to the marriage remains separate.
Within these two categories of states, property may be classified as either separate property or marital property. Marital property is property specifically accumulated by the couple during the marriage. Separate property is property that is not part of the marriage, but belongs exclusively to either the husband or the wife. Separate property is not subject to division in a divorce, it is retained by the spouse that owned it during the marriage.
@Creampiekarl420 Who said anything about crying? I am talking about processing and dealing with emotions in a healthy way so that you don't end up an emotionally stunted adult with the emotion depth of a puddle. There is a mental health crisis in this country and you are encouraging men to continue with damaging behavior that increase their risk for suicide... You can push this false narrative of what strength and masculinity looks like but there is nothing stronger than putting in the effort to take care of your mental health. How ever you are still young, and it's taken men a lot wiser than you a lot longer to figure that out.
@Creampiekarl420 you are talking out of ignorance. Survival instinct is literally the strongest drive we have. Goes to the point parents drop their children to survive if necessary. There are documented cases of this.
And you sit there and actually think going against that instinct is weak?
No one can actually do it unless they mentally collapsed. Everyone has a limit.
Men kill themselves much more than women do you think we are weaker?
If we ask for help and let out grief out instead of bottling it up we would live longer.
@Subarugirl bingo!
First off im wise because I listen more than I speak Iâm so ahead of my time even when Iâm talking about the future Iâm reminiscing and crying pity party whatever you want to call it thatâs bitch shit like I said a real man is pressed from every angle and still keeps it moving through the darkest of times
@Creampiekarl420 no one is saying that people shouldn't have emotional strength. Endure and push through hard times. Both men and women should do that.
But there is a limit to how much you can take. When that time comes letting it out and asking for help is the literally the wisest thing you can do. We are social animals for a reason. We didn't come. this far without each other support.
@Creampiekarl420 Real men understand that mental health is just as important as physical health and since you are part of a demographic that is 3 times more likely to commit suicide I am surprised that you aren't more aware of the contributing factors or that preventative care is better than trying treat an illness that could have been prevented.
Suppression happens when emotions start building up. Control is constant.
A man who isn't able to do that has been taught incorrectly.
And to whom should men express their emotions to? Other men? Thats not how it works.
Women? Thats even worse. Because for all that talk about women being understanding and caring, why do so many use mens emotions against them?
If you want men to have a healthy mind, encourage them to do physical activity so they can get it out of their system.
@grega239 exercise is not enough to make forget actual problems.
We can't talk with other men because we are shit with each other. We 100% should support other men more.
Women actually do want to support us, but out of an irrational fear our fathers and society put on us we believe that they will hate us for it. Pure bullshit.
Suicide is literally the second main cause of male young adults deaths. Do you think they were all poorly taught? Or that they were all weak?
Talk about properly taught all you want. We all have a limit.
@grega239 And a lot of men have not been taught how to deal with and process their emotions in a healthy way, so they end up repressing them. Working out isn't a substitute for mental health care, neither is fight club, or drinking. All that does is ignore the actual issue by redirecting your focus onto something else. Telling someone struggling with mental health to just go do something physical instead of addressing the root of the issues is like telling someone with type one diabetes to just eat healthier... It will probably help but it doesn't address or fix the root of the issue.
@grega239 When it comes to counseling and therapy it isn't an instantaneous fix... it takes time and it takes work, you get out of it what you put into it. Sometime it takes a while to find a counselor that is a good fit, you can't really make a judgment about something you spent 15 minuets reluctantly tolerating.
You are right that isn't therapy, therapy is an ongoing process. What you experienced sounds more like an interview before a prescription, not therapy.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 women want to support us?
I was sent to a mental hospital for 5 months. The women i thought were my friends were no where to be found.
And how many of those suicides are because a woman broke their heart?
I mean do you honestly expect someone to be emotional with a woman after a heartbreak?
Yes i think they were weak. And as heartless as that sounds, i believe that.
Life is difficult. But you can't just give up.
And yes I know people who committed suicide.
Suicide is carried out during an EMOTIONAL LOW POINT. Its irrational.
Thats not suppression or control.
Get your shit together and think for a second.
We all do have our limits.
And if i feel suicidal because of my past trauma, i think of my mom.
Why would i ruin her life like that?
She cares deeply for me. Committing suicide would be cruel to her.
@grega239 Yes, women want to support us.
I am sorry your girl friends were not really your friends. That really sucks. I know a thing or two about being alone too.
Yes suicide can come after a broken heart. It would be avoided if they actually had a healthy way to deal with it.
So they get afraid of opening up after a heartbreak? That is what I call weak. Can't deal with what one ex did so act carefully around a new and totally different person? Please.
I also know two. One tried one succeed. The first one was an ex girlfriend who tried to suicide after I broke up with her.
Emotions are not rational. And we all have them. We all have them and we all act accordingly to them. Even the biggest machos on this life let their emotions dictate what they do. That's being human. No way around this.
You should care about yourself too. I did went to therapy for a while to try to get over my demons.
Regardless of what you do I hope you find a better way to deal with yours.
Weakness is all it is
@Creampiekarl420 humans have feelings. Unless you are a psychopath you do. And regardless if you are the toughest person alive they do affect your decisions. That is not weakness. That is being a normal human.
@Creampiekarl420 no according to the science⌠are you a scientist, or just claiming to know more then the field in which they specialize
@Subarugirl I don't know what you know about science but anyone who has ever ask how or why about anything is a scientist and by the way yes I am a scientist I received a full ride scholarship to Syracuse and SDSU for their bio molecular engineering program I didnât go because I didnât want what I love to become a chore @This_Is_My_Opinion8 Iâm not saying we donât have emotions did you know in Japan it is seen as childish or immature to cry at funerals a grown man should have better control over his emotions itâs okay to not be okay but you donât have to be a little bitch about it
@Creampiekarl420 you're a 22 year old guy with the username creampiekarl420... at best you are a student with a lot of learning left to do, supposedly in an undergrad state college for bio engineeringâŚ. you're what a sophomore, maybe a junior and you are calming to know more about human behavior and psychology than people who have dedicated their lives to research of the human psyche... too bad they aren't also teaching you a little humility in San Diego either...
@Creampiekarl420 You're not a scientist... you're a student...
@Subarugirl im not a student I didnât go to college no one had to tell me to learn about that stuff I have several Library cards and read a lot because I enjoy learning about science
@Subarugirl if you think a degree is all it takes to qualify someone as a scientist then you have a lot to learn about science anyone can be a scientist Iâve been reading physics geometry chemistry and biology books since I was 8 Iâve done my research because I enjoy it I donât need a piece of paper to tell me Iâm a scientist
Why would you not be careful to who you open up to? Doesn't it make sense to be reserved until you're sure?
@Subarugirl yea, fortunately i have hobbies to distract myself with and lessen the mental health stuff
@Creampiekarl420 yes because Japan is such a great example to us all.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 yes they arenât as fat their children are smarter and more respectful they have more marriage minded less promiscuous hotter women their single mother rate is very low their entertainment and food is better
@Creampiekarl420 all of that caused by a lack of individual freedom and a mindset that beings 100 years in the past. Did you know they only recently allowed women to take part in important meetings, as long as they stay quiet? This is nothing to aspire to.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 and what do our women do with this alleged freedom? Blame their issues on men they have equality but thatâs not enough they want special treatment if AmĂŠrica never bombed Japan and sent troops there to fight we would have lost and our men of the 50s and 60s were cut from a much tougher cloth and still wouldâve lost
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 why is it important for women to have input? Name me 5 female inventors donât google
Women take more from society than they give
@Creampiekarl420
Marie Curie: Theory of Radioactivity
Grace Hopper: The Computer
Stephanie Kwolek: Kevlar
Rosalind Franklin: DNA Double Helix
Shirley Jackson: The source of all things telecommunication
@Subarugirl nice try but
Mari Curie was a physicist not an inventor
Grace hopper was a computer programmer she did not invent it
Miss Franklin again chemist not an inventor
Dr. Shirley also a physicist not an inventor
Stephanie kowlek well you got one
Iâll help you out a bit
Madam CJ walker - hot comb
Margaret Sanger - Planned parenthood
Sarah lindenburg- bonnets
Just name one more hun and by the way the only ones I had to google were miss hopper (because I knew that was wrong) and miss kowlek if you googled too tell the truth and shame the devil lol
@Creampiekarl420
Grace invented one of the first linkers
Dr, Jackson... Invented the Call Waiting and Caller ID feature, the portable fax machine, and the touch-tone telephones all came to fruition due to the important research of an African-American woman, Dr. Shirley Jackson. She invented the above while working at AT&T Bell Labs where she conducted research in theoretical physics, solid-state and quantum physics, and optical physics.
Marie Curie.. She invented mobile X-ray machines
Rosalind didn't technically invent anything but it was her discovery and research which set the ground work for treating genetic diseases and offering life saving procedures and it was her research that helped establish molecular genetics
But we can talk about Tabitha Babbitt who invented the circular saw..
@Subarugirl im not saying these women didnât make great strides and contributions to their fields of expertise but improving something that already was invented is not inventing and there is only a handful of them men invented pretty much everything youâre right but Iâm right too
@Creampiekarl420 don't know by name, but no googling ao can say...
The one that invented wifi. Married Currie. The one that made the code that help us get the first picture of a black hole. The first concept of a university was made by a woman. Four. But good ones aren't they?
Yes it is important for half of the population to have a say on how things are run.
Asking why women didn't do more in history is like asking why Jew business didn't thrive in Nazi Germany. Wasn't made for them to succeed. This set humanity back dozens of years.
@Creampiekarl420 but I just gave an example of Japan lack of human rights. This conversation is not about that. Is about personal freedom and being human.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 too much freedom is a bad thing see all the shit happening in this country and it doesnât matter what you do human is all any of us will ever be
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 controlling your emotions if anything makes you more human itâs what separates us from the animals if animals donât date or wait for consent if we were animals you could just mount @Subarugirl and rape her and thereâd be nothing anyone would do about but because we are humans capable of self control youâd wait till she was ready letting your emotions get the better of you would be savage beast like shameless behavior a adult human should acknowledge these feelings and deal with them accordingly
@Creampiekarl420 yeah... you could probably use a little less freedom...
@Subarugirl why do always gotta 1up me we havenât met in real life and I donât like you are you a Leo or something?
@Creampiekarl420 Iâm not trying to one up you, just prove a point but at least I donât believe in Astrid signs
Why am I not surprised I donât say this to women often but it accurately describes you @Subarugirl youâre a douchebag
@Creampiekarl420 total freedom is anarchy. No one wants that. Doesn't mean the other extreme of no freedom at all is any better.
Like we are trying to explain, there is a difference between controlling your emotions and not having them. You will always have them. They will always in some way control you. Whatever you realize it or not.
For example, many refuse to seek help afraid they will be labeled weak. Fear is an emotion. Anger is an emotion.
@Creampiekarl420 no emotions at all would be total stoicism all your life. Who is like that besides a psychopath? Or a robot?
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 strong willed people which apparently youâve never heard of and people who say stuff like that feel that way when you lose any type freedom even if itâs whatâs best
@Creampiekarl420 losing any kind of freedom even when it's better? The COVID restrictions were for the best. I agreed 100% with them. Restrictions on who you can be as a person are a total different thing.
No matter how strong willed. You will never be indifferent to your emotions unless you actually have a mental issue.
@Creampiekarl420 itâs a weird feeling to have your energy given back to you huh?
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 okay just said psychopaths should they just be themselves what about rapist murderers and pedophiles? Self control is my whole point here and itâs always good for us itâs not a good look
@Subarugirl you wish you had the intelligence đ
@Creampiekarl420 all of those have self control until they find themselves in a situation where they don't need to have it. They are mentally ill. Why are we using them as reference?
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 no they just lack self control because they donât need to when they say this same freedom crap youâre talking about
@Creampiekarl420 both psychopathy and pedophilia are considered mental disorders by the World Health Organization. I think they know a but more of this than you.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 maybe but Iâm talking about self control something you are apparently against
@Creampiekarl420 I wouldn't be where I am at with out it hon.
@Subarugirl delusional much? a Down syndrome hog with intelligence slightly superior to yours would be the smartest animal in the world
@Creampiekarl420 oooh that's mature... name calling from a 22 year old kid pretending to be a scientist... My feeling are soo hurt XD
Stop calling me a kid thatâs not my correct age Iâm 24 your like 10 months older than me
@Creampiekarl420 oh so you are a liar then too.. if you don't want to be treated like a child then stop acting like one. My 5 year old is better behaved.
@Creampiekarl420 Not at all. I am all for it.
For the hundred time, self control and mental toughness is one thing. Pushing emotions down until you die inside because you can't deal with them is another.
To not express your feeling out of fear that people will judge you. Is fear. Or out of disgust for the person you become if you do it. Is also an emotion. Everything is linked to emotions.
@Subarugirl no youâre just a bad listener who hears what she wants to hear and jumps to conclusions and I am mature see I didnât even insult your child and I had a really good one too
This is complex but their rooted Freudian reasons for this. Men are subconsciously motivated to procreate and crying makes us âlook weakâ and less attractive in front of women.
I can still remember the only time I cried in front of my ex when I said âI missed talking to herâ. That was the ONLY time I ever cried in front her. Ever.
She gave me one of the nastiest most callous nastiest shrieking responses I have ever heard from a woman in my life. She said with âwith EXES I donât talk because itâs weirdâ. It was said in absolute pure disgust.
In retrospect as horrible as that was I can see was very uncomfortable. That doesnât justify how she handled it but it just goes to show how the raw female subconscious judges men who show vulnerability: at best men look like other women when they do this. At worst they are gross and disgusting.
I would say I am someone that I agree with both sides so I can neer say one od the other. I agree that people should be allowed to express how they feel, allowing yourself to feel those feelings can really help you when it comes to getting it out of your system, and sadly a lot of men are not really allowed or have a safe space for those kinds of things. BUT I also agree that one thing men are good at is separating feelings and being able to get the solutions to what is causing them the pain rather than sitting there being emotional which can get you nowhere if you are not looking for a solution so just becomes an endless loop. So I would say men should be allowed to cry and show their feelings but dont push it on to them, let them only if they want to, by giving that space. because the moment you start to let men be more emotional they won't know when it's too much. It's one thing to deal with men which as we know can be dangerous, but you dont want to deal with an emotional man.
So here is the deal with men, we do not really give a shit. I mean real men do not honestly, we endure and let go of so much stuff through the course of average day... that we just do not want to pretend to be bothered if women or people in general want to believe that if men cried more this would be a better world.
I belief in a world were men are men, and women are women. Women do women shit, and men do men shit, and nobody gives a shit if men should do less man shit and more women shit, or if women should stop doing some women shit and do more man shit.
I like my women to be a women, and sure I would like women to be less emotional, and empathetic to everyone and everything... but heh, I love women for being women, like I really love them.
What I do not like to see some guy acting like a women over petty shit, and when I see a man acting like that I say, "Hey, man you need to man the shit up because you are acting a women.
Women attend to be a lot more dramatic and toxic.
I understand something I've noticed man are a lot more relax and chill.
I used to think that we should normalize crying for men..
But now I just think that it's so rooted im human nature that men risk looking weak to women. I mean even if we normalized it in society there would still be a natural preference for _some_ women to loose interest.
I now think that it's a responsability for men to create environments and circles to deal with emotions and men's issues. Normalize it within men's culture. And for women to understand and know to give space for such.
But ofc it would be awesome to find that kind of a woman who aren't affected by signs of weakness. To understand that the greatest strength is to know to let things out. Because if you keep it in it will manifest in other ways. But like said that's about wisdom not gut-feelings.
Not that I'm "MGTOW" but I remember th holding a conference discussing the things they face and they were "forced" to let radical feminazi on the panel to devalue and harass them and dehumanize them as they talked about things affecting their lives and suicide rates in men and such. Another conference shut down due to feminazis threatening to blow the building up. Crazy.
What? What type of conference was that? Was it like a media-thing or was it some type of program irl?
I think the types of places men turn to still need to be safe spaces. It's not wrong to include a woman but they'd need to be rational and be open to understand that a mans perspective is not necessarily the same.
MGTOW, men going their own way. They talk about breaking from societal norms such as being dating, marriage, being a provide to focusing solely on themselves. Things society expect them to do. The would hold gathering to talk about issues that male culture is facing. such as mental health, suicide rates, incarceration rates. I think this happened in Canada. They had to let a female on the panel to basically tell them to man up and that they are wrong for feeling how the feel and just plain mock them. This was a meeting held in real life
There was a woman already on the panel. She identified as an egalitarian and not a feminist though.
Huh. I knew of MGTOW but I didn't know there were actions being taken like that. But then I have been blind to what's been going on in Canada until somewhere around 2021 when I realized they radicalized left further than the US did. It's scary to see, I just hope the examples of how bad idea this is will become evident sooner than later.
It just goes to show that many of the extremist feminists (not all) don't know what they are doing. They don't seem to be able to see beyond their own vision. Ignoring facts, studies and opting for opinions and personal experiences.
I don't live in the US or Canada but I am following the developments of these countrues as Europe and my own country (Sweden) have followed in their footsteps.
It seems from my perspective that the right, center and former classic liberals in the US is willing to have debates and in-depth discussions but I rarely see any radical leftists stand up to defend their views outside of trying to cancel, throw slurs or relying on the very biased US media to ignore the points with their narrow formats refusal to listen.
I have yet to hear much rational or backed up arguments that has held water.
Do they know at all what they are trying to push through snd do they know how to make solid solutions or are they just dismantling things.. sorry I'm on a rant...
I haven't cried from grief since I was a child, having lost my mother horribly to cancer. But is was not really grief. It was relief that her suffering was over. When I was younger, I suppressed it when I took a loss and it was like learning to lie like lawyers do. It taints your soul.
As an adult, I cloud up at appropriate times. Recently it was two movies. Robert Redford's The Natural. "How come you haven't played Professional Ball?" "Well, I kinda got side tracked". Well, I kinda got side tracked in my life.
The other is The Bodyguard; Whitney Houston, Kevin Costner. I knew when I saw the movie, I knew that Whitney Houston was an "alley cat" in real life, just like her character.
I knew that she could have been liberated by marrying Kevin Costner. He wept at her funeral. I wept when I learned she had died.
It's OK to be emotional when it matters.
That's not a culture. Men cry. It was always like that. It's just that men have to take more responsibility, so bitching and crying about their misery somewhat publicly is just not a practical solution for them.
This is just another backhanded bullshit that actually harms the male role in the public eye. The narrative for men is already bad enough Men are shown as this pathetic idiots, who can't control their emotions, who are inherently violent rapists and pedos and if course misogynistic sexist homophobes that need help. All the bad labels... Leave men alone don't look down on them as those poor depressed individuals that can't deal with sadness.
Life is shit. And truth is, nobody gives a shit about you as a man. Yeah you can go to a therapist if you can afford that... But ultimately, you're on your own. So it's useful for men to have a "deal with it" mentality. Cause they need it to survive.
It's only bad from the standpoint that it TEACHES men to hide who they are. YES, I know I'll be judged for my emotions with most women. So I've learned to hide my true emotions. The result is, she never will meet the true me. Is that bad? Well I guess that's up for women to decide. I know I can never trust a woman enough to be my complete self. And I've just learned to accept that.
To answer your question, YES I do think it's sad đ. We all should find someone we can be our true selves with.
Thank you đ
Pansies and crybabies don't build nations or defend them. Men do. "Men don't cry" is an acknowledgement of reality, not of power or fantasy. The reality is that crying doesn't solve anything. Not one damn thing. It is a waste of time, energy, and respect. No one respects a crying man, LEAST OF ALL WOMEN. If you want women to respect you, crying won't do it. It does the opposite. There is no benefit at all for a man to cry anywhere except where no one can see him. When no one is looking, you can cry until you drown Egypt. Everywhere else, suck it up.
Actually there are mental and physical bennefits of crying, there are also appropriate and innapropriate ways andplaces to deal with certian emotions. Women respect men who are strong enough to deal and process emotions in a healthy way instead of repressing them
@Subarugirl
"Women respect men who are strong enough to deal and process emotions in a healthy way instead of repressing them"
Which is why you never listen to what women say. You watch what they do. You can scream "men should cry" until your lungs explode, but that doesn't hold up to the real world.
I never said men should cry... I said that according to science, there are physical and psychological benefits. It's science. What I did say is that having the emotional and mental maturity to learn how to deal with and process emotions in a healthy way instead of repressing them is respectable.
What isn't respectable is blaming someone else for your lack of effort to take care of your mental health... as someone who is part of a demographic 3 times more likely to commit suicide, I'm surprised you are more receptive to takin preventative measures to improve your mental health instead of just repressing you issues by ignoring them...
@Subarugirl No one is blaming anyone for anything. I am stating why the whole "men don't cry" thing exists and why it is ultimately a good thing. There are benefits to not crying. You don't waste time and energy and you don't lose the respect of your peers and the opposite sex. No one likes a cry baby.
Why do you assume that you either "bottle up" or you have to cry? That's just completely untrue. Crying is not an emotional release. It's a loss of emotional control. Not expressing emotions is not the same as not feeling them. Men feel plenty. We just don't show it on the outside. We process our emotions just like women do, but not necessarily through action. We can think through our emotions and sort everything out on the inside. There is no bottling involved. You just assume that because you can't witness it happening.
I neither assumed nor made a statement remotely close to that. I never said you should cry, I just said that you shouldn't be repressing emotions, and that there are physiological benefits...
Why do you keep trying to twist words?
People may try to suppress tears if they see them as a sign of weakness, but science suggests that doing so could mean missing out on a range of benefits.
A 2014 study found that crying may have a direct, self-soothing effect on people. The study explained how crying activates the parasympathetic nervous system (PNS), which helps people relax.
A 2016 study explains, crying is primarily an attachment behavior, as it rallies support from the people around us. This is known as an interpersonal or social benefit.
Research has found that in addition to being self-soothing, shedding emotional tears releases oxytocin and endorphins.
These chemicals make people feel good and may also ease both physical and emotional pain. In this way, crying can help reduce pain and promote a sense of well-being.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4035568/
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4934120/#B30
Pretty much every statement that you made is inaccurate and has been disproven by medical and behavioral science. What you are doing is perpetuating a stigma of destructive behavior that you have bought into. "Real men don't cry" is not only harmful to the thousands of men conditioned to suppress their emotions but also to everyone around them. Men do not show emotion whether a positive or negative emotion; they have been told not to. So when emotion is finally pushed out of them itâs an explosive angry outburst which can oftentimes be of harm to the people around them at the time. These outbursts can manifest as passive aggression, sexual aggression, and even violence.
There has been a lot of research into this by psychologist and behavior specialist.
@Î˛ÎšĎ Îľsκγs Not crying alone, however, according to sociology and psychology most people will trust their partner more for opening up and being emotional vulnerable. There is no intimacy without vulnerability and with out intimacy there is not relationship.
Someone needs to be a rock. I'm glad my dad didn't cry like my mom does. She'd freak out and cry over everything. For me as a child having someone who wasn't crying in moments of distress gave me strength. A child seeing an adult cry can cause unnecessary fear so having someone who could keep their shit together isn't a bad things. People make too big of a deal about what others do, let men be men and let them deal with it in their own way.
P. S most men do cry on occasions but they do it out of sight.
There is no such thing as a "Men don't cry" culture.
Men reserve crying for when it is warranted, joyful and sad times inside the family or close male friends.
We do not become blubbering wreaks it times of trouble.
We put emotions in a box at the back of our heads, deal with the trouble logically, after that has been dealt with we then look at the emotions and work through them, or if it is something like an impending death through natural causes or illness, we will work through the emotions ahead of time, so that we can be supportive of others during those times.
Women never see our true emotions because we have learned from painful experience, that more often that not, if we show our true emotions to women, that they will weaponise them and use them against us.
I don't think men should cry unless it's some happy tears... It doesn't look or feel right... In my darkest personal times I didn't cry even alone... I don't know how some guys cry in front others or even online with tons of people watching... And it's not toxic masculinity cuz I grew up with no dad or a big brother... It's just common sense.. I don't like guys being a drama queen
Itâs both a good and a bad thing.
Men who cry around certain individuals, typically around certain women, use their weakened state against them.
Men who donât cry bottle it up and have to let it out in secret like in the shower or in their car where theyâre alone. Either that or they just keep in inside until it subsides, and continue on with their lives.
The culture is clearly made up by women :
Bc women secretly want a DAd type figure , a protector ; they won't admit it but each time a guy shows weekness of character they will direct inconsciently to a Protector other than guys.
so yeah that's why.
While I dont agree with most of what you said, I do agree that most people dont want a person who exhibits weak characteristic traits, and emotional repression is one of those.
It's obviously harmful to boys and the men they become, but what is the solution? And please don't say it's only up to men to change it. Men certainly play a role in it but so do women. Things like a man crying in the same way women do go to the core of the very nature of heterosexual human attraction. Telling males they should feel free to cry and show emotions in the same way females do is just setting them up for failure with the opposite sex. Until we acknowledge that fact we will never be able to deal with the issue with any honesty.
I think it's awful. Men, like women, should be able to express themselves in moments of pain in a natural way.
I don't think it's quite as prevalent as many people might think it is. If anything, I think men are generally more aware of the need for a clear and stabilizing presence in tense and difficult situations. Men feel sadness, fear, and anxiety. We suffer when we experience defeat, rejection, and loss. And yes, there is another side to it as well. We experience great joy when the situation calls for it. We just don't express it as readily or instinctively as women do.
we actually cry a lot but don't want people to know we want people to know that we are cheerful and smiling people (I even cried a lot, to be honest I'm not lying it feels like crying can really heal the heart) .. and it also depends on the reason a man cries, for example, someone cries because it hurts and doesn't get better, that's normal... there are some things that , if we cry it's actually embarrassing..
It sounds a little arrogant, perhaps: but I do not need a woman to tell me when to cry, and when not :) - no confrontation intended.
As for myself: crying will not give me a solution if 'there's a problem'.
And: no! It does not harm me in any way when I don't 'cry'.
On the contrary: I do cry when I hear an extraordinarily good rock tune, or when I feel (again) grateful about my Mom. Tears of joy (or fun) are ok.
Thanks :)
I don't show my emotions because women in my life always used it against me.
Whether it was love, pain, sadness, or joy, they turned it against me at some point, to either use me or hurt me.
And there it is, that's the experiences I'm looking for. I have witnessed this myself. Where they shame little boys to teens to even grown men about crying. Calling them names and using it against them. Now I will admit both men and women do this. And I often ask myself why? Why has that become a thing. Now it's not a thing for all, but it's still a thing that happens and I don't think it should.
Men will cry when they need to not necessarily because someone thinks that they should or it's acceptable. If a man doesn't cry it is fine there's nothing wrong with him. You don't accept everybody to accept your thinking no more than you are expected to accept everyone else's thinking you have the ability to influence yourself and the action spirit. So when the feeling hits them he will cry
Try spending 8 years in the middle east specifically 4 years in Iraq and 4 in Afghanistan as a USAF PJ, YOU JUST BECOME NUMB, Is the only way I can put it.
Men need to cry. I think without crying they become cold and closed off. I want a man in touch with his feelings. I always tried to let any guy in my life feel all their feelings and release stress around me.
I used to think that real men did not cry. I think in some cases it can be okay.
I agree. Women want men to be more emotional but men are not women. Our brains are hardwired differently. Men crying can not only be weak but something that is used against him. There's nothing wrong with men crying but it has to be limited. Too much crying is not the route to go as a man
men should only cry at funerals and actual tragedies, crying just cuz your sad or upset is feminine af. i think itâs a positive part of masculinity that we are more stoic and can compartmentalize our emotions better than women. Women want strong men not guys that are emotional as them.
Exactly. Male stoicism is rooted in Freudian psychology. Women donât really respect emotional men. They see them as other women. They are actually the primary reason men donât cry whether they realize it or not.
Seriously?
It's okay for men to cry in private. Let's be real here, women don't like it when men show weakness and that is why men aren't showing you their emotions so freely.
Don't think that based on just a random social media post. A good girl will embrace you and support you if she sees you not well.
Well as we both know, good people in general are hard to come by. Most of the time when you date you're going to be dealing with an attitude like that and she's not even going to let you know about it. You could be with her for 10 years and she could finally see you be vulnerable and then everything you have had up until that point was lost because you never fucking knew that she was like that because she hid it so well until you showed weakness.
Then be vulnerable with her as soon as you can. To see if she is actually good. Otherwise what is the point in being with her anyway if she is not a good person?
I would never say get vulnerable at day one or for a nonsensical reason. Took me three years to show my demons to my girl.
It didn't took that long because I was afraid of her reaction. It took that long because I was ashamed.
She is now my wife and at the time she had nothing but sweet words to give me. Hope that was the case with you too.
You still got time. Finger crossed for you bro.
Men who can't take control of their emotions are dangerous for society but of course a dumb virtue-signalling WOMAN like yourself would never understand that or admit it. It's the same thing with a woman's slutty behaviour. You want men to be weak and emotional and women to be whores and eventually you ruin a whole civilisation with your virtue signalling bullshit.
Definitely harmful, at least in my opinion. People should be able to express their feelings normally without fear of doing so.
I've always hated that statement. Men should be free and encouraged to express and show their emotions like women do. I don't see nothing wrong in that. Faking your emotions is what's wrong in here.
@exitseven same here. It didnât matter that she cried in front of me over 100 times. The one time I did cry she looked at me in pure disgust.
@exitseven I'm sorry you guys had that experience. I've had male friends and partners cry in front of me before and I felt bad and just comforted them. When my partner cried in front of me I couldn't help but cry with him it made me really sad to see him going through all that. I really don't mind when a men feels comfortable enough to be vulnerable with me I think it's beautiful because you rarely see this happen.
@sheikalana this experience has happened more than once and I have had more than one woman admit either indirectly or even point blank they are NOT attracted to emotional/sensitive men. Showing my sensitive side to a woman I was attracted to was always the beginning of the end. And no her telling me âcan we just be friendsâ did not make me feel better but actually left me further incensed.
Maybe you are like as you claim. But seriously why is so many men have different opinions about the ugly truth about women?
@globetrotter22 Well, I really don't know. I didn't even know some women do not appreciate men showing their emotions.
@globetrotter22 I am sorry you had that experience. All you need ti find the right girl. I did opened up to my girlfriend after three years of relationship. Told her all my demons. You know what her answer was?
"You didn't deserved the life you had"
Today she is my wife and today she tells me that if anything what I told her that day made her live me more.
If a girl can't be there for you when you are down, she doesn't deserve you bro.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 I agree with everything you said. Happy to know not all women will walk away when their partner's decide to open up to them.
@sheikalana of course many won't. People are vastly different. To assume all women act a certain way makes no sense. Depends on the person.
Definitely harmful and horrible way of living. Would recommend against it. Its destructive. We are not robots made out of stone with nothing more than testosterone and libido on the inside.
You are welcome love.
Crying is a sign of being out of control and without perspective, think of toddlers and why they cry. A man thatâs crying is a broken man and needs help.
Women, have tried to make the âperfectâ emotional man, to realize that man is anything but ideal. I cherish my wife for being what Iâm not, and vice versa. Hard to compliment your other half if youâre really just the same.
Men have every right to cry their humans too and we need to be understanding not judge them.
Woke culture makes me sick with this. How about women let men be men and stop worrying about this crap. A man can't win with the woke culture. If we don't cry, you tell us we are hiding our feelings, if we do cry, you say you love your man tears in your cup and you tel us to put our big boy pants on. How about society f**k off and stop trying to control us men and how we deal with our feelings.
Most men cry. Heck, I know some men that get moist eyes watching a chick flick like the movie Beaches. Most men just are very reserved and guarded about when they cry.
Yes, it goes without saying. In my culture, men cry and they hold down their families and put their balls on the line when it's time to do so.
Its definitely causing more harm. It teaches us that our emotions dont matter and to keep it all in, which can cause problems.
I personally see Expressing your emotions as a sign of strength
I don't think such a culture exists anymore in 2022. Such culture that you're describing was popular about 20 years ago. Its about time we stop trying to set up men to look like victims. Gender equality becomes greater as time goes on.
Any guy who openly cries, even if he just saw his mother get brutally murdered two minutes earlier, will endure all kinds of negative consequences if he even shows a tear.
If a tear does show, start acting like you have allergies.
when i was a kid i got more smacks if i cryed so i stoped crying i am 68 now and lost you dog of 13 years i cryed almost every day for a year and a half i still have a cay about once a month
I think people have strayed to far from nature. People can believe whatever they want but reason rules madness. Men at times have to fight to the death on a MUCH larger scale than women. What you propose will make men weak & setting them up to die.
Man is also human right? Humans cab cry.. laugh.. and yhey have emotions... ssooo... man... can... cry... they have emotions tooo okay... i have boyfriend. Once we have arguments... he also criied that time. for me... after argument... i just jokingly said to him that men's don't cry.. he replied me that we hve emotions too.. so.. we can cry.. and i agree with him... man can cry... that hve emotions to...🥺💜
This is a repeated topic. Lgbt community is paraded, people are revealing their pronouns and genders, politics is crazy. Nobody cares if men cry or not. If men donât cry, itâs because they choose not to at this point. Men just donât cry much in general. Iâve never had the urge to cry except for family/friend deaths. I have heard women donât find it attractive when men cry. Thatâs about it.
It depends on what theyâre crying over. If itâs the loss of a friend or family member, itâs fine. If itâs because youâre getting charged $1 extra for plant-based milk at Starbucks, not okay.
I believe maybe we can consider it as an idiom. If there is a person who has never cried in his life, he is definitely a feelingless person. But the idiom of "men never cry" can refers that a man should never complain about the problems, but show that he is strong enough and can handle the problems. By this way he can protect his partner more and prove that he does not make her worry.
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