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Why don't men treat us like ladies anymore? (Page 2)
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A lot of those things have become outdated. For example, I'm a big fan of paying for a first date, but a woman should at least offer to split. Getting picked up and carted around is another one that's getting phased out.
I do agree with you about the other chivalrous things though. Women actually get surprised when I hold doors open for them and offer them my hand/arm when we're going up and down curbs.
Because women don't act like ladies anymore and piss me off with their feminism bullshit,
you always wanted equal treatment, right? Alright then, I just slam the door shut in front of your eyes just like I do with men.
I'm really fortunate for being born in this generation where I don't have to deal with that crap. I just started dating recently (15 years old :P) and noticed girls really think they are something special lol
I can guarantee you that I will never do anything like that for a women just because she's a woman. What's so different about boys and girls? Give one reason why I should treat you differently?
brutal.
In my experience, most women don't act like ladies anymore. I always start out as a gentlemen, only to discover that girls pride themselves on being wacky and wild. If you want me to play the gentlemen, act like a lady. What may be men's problem is that they've gotten used to this kinda behaviour in women and adjusted themselves accordingly. Another thing is, if you're demanding paid dinners, being taxied wherever you want to go and having a lot of money and effort spend on you, I'd be quick to 'drop you like it's hot'. It has to remain a voluntary effort, not an expected one. If you act like a bundle of expectations, I run and don't look back.
And the thing is: I like paying for dinner, take you on a vacation and do all the gentleman stuff. It make me feel good. It's just that when I see things go unappreciated I simply don't want to do them.
Chilvary is dead and women killed it -Dave Chapelle
You’re a strong independent wymyn you can open your own damn door. And no men are not required to to pay for your dinner and to treat you like the princess you think you are.
no you are NOT wrong. i am a lady and i will be treated as such. and this isn't sexist because i treat any deserving man as a gentleman. just carry yourself as a lady would, tell potential men that YOU ARE A LADY, and dont tolerate anyone who treats you and anything but. hopefully you will fine your gentleman, i know i did.
you treat any deserving man as a gentleman. you do this by letting him pay for your dinners, letting him open doors for you, letting him carry your luggage and letting him compliment you.
the gentlemen out there are grateful for this.
You have to ask MGTOW.
In addition, in this age, because of women's demonstrations, the meaning of the word respect has become that of non-rape.
As it is not every girl raised in your style, everyone will not treat you because you grew up in that manner.
You have to show that
Yes you are wrong. Why don't you treat them nicely for a change or at least pay half of the bill for a meal this is the 21st century for fucks sake!
not all guys are like that. trust me. personally guys should treat girls right. personally I try to treat girls with respect. I was brought up to respect women. trust me there are guys out there that respect women. hope this helps.
I knew what sort of ridiculous responses this question would get. Far too many cynical blues here. Now I’m not against them but I don’t like petty negativity in anyone, blues or pinks. I will say however, that I found a good guy and chivalry certainly wasn’t dead with him, in fact I even dated a couple before him. The good guys are out there. Just keep your sights set on a respectful relationship, accept no less - ever, and appreciate it when you find it. Good luck 🙂
My grandpa was very polite and well spoken, could charm the legs off a mule and would always take the lead in dating... and beat up and cheated on his wives, had children out of wedlock, etc.
You're looking at the "good old days" with colored glasses, youngster.
I completely agree with you. A lot of guys are so "ungentlemanly" these days I almost got a chock when a guy opened a car door for me... several times!
I think it's bad that women aren't treated like ladies anymore. At least once in a while. Instead we're left wondering if the guy is upset that he had to pay for our food, wondering if we should offer gas money...
I, myself, identify as feminist, and I would say it's been taken a little too far. My mother once told me your attitude is a pretty big deal breaker, when it comes to dating. You treat your woman like a lady and respect her, at the same time. Not that hard. Some girls like it, they don't control you. So if you want it, go for it.
More like SISguy amiright?
Because women don't act like ladies anymore. Women are sexually aggressive and promiscuous and they are competing with us in the workplace.
It's called equality, I thought it's what you wanted.
common courtesy, like holding a door open, doesn't really have to do with equality.
Well, I ignored that complaint because I don't slam the door in anybody's face.
True, I get that. I understand why men would think that way, but not all women are sexually promiscuous. And I've never thought being successful was unladylike.
I don't slam the door in anyone's face either. Equality means that women should get the door for men, as often as men get the door for women.
Lol, I always hold the door open for everyone... I think I should have re-edited this as "proper manners"
@update It became about equality and feminism because THAT'S truly the answer to your question.
And I think that answer is a cop out.
Let me tell you something. I was born in 1970.. in a very liberal part of California, the Bay Area, and I WAS taught from birth to treat women as EQUALS.
Don't give me that 'the way your momma's taught you' crap.
You want the best of both worlds and the message you're getting back is 'tough', you can't have that.
Well, I'm sorry that you feel that way. I'm actually a very nice, polite, and respectful girl trying to find a man that treats me with as much courtesy as I do him. Unfortunately, I keep running into jerks such as yourself.
lol you don't even know how I treat people. You aren't nearly as nice as you think you are.
I treat people as EQUALS.
And steadily proving my point... God bless you too kind sir! :)
You're simply wrong about me. Sucks to be you. :)
Lol, wow... what an epic comeback bud. I'm reeling. Seriously.
It's clear to me that any wisdom is wasted on you. I don't play 'gotcha' games, dear. You lose.
By the way, where's the part where you demonstrate that you're a lady and not a self absorbed slag? I've yet to be convinced of that, seriously. :)
Sir, trying to convince you that I'm anything is a useless effort. Just like trying to convince me that you're "right" in this matter is completely impossible. It's pathetic that a 40 year old man has to bash a young girl due to her expectations of others. And they're not really expectations. They're more like common manners that I believe most people should know. Obviously you don't, and obviously you never will. Let's agree to disagree and move on from this useless and ridiculous conversation.
The truth is the truth, if anything you should respect your elders. But I guess your momma didn't teach you that.
If you can remember correctly, I actually agreed with you somewhat in the beginning. You're the one that attacked me. I was taught by my 'momma' to defend myself, so sorry you can't take the heat.
You attacked everyone who gave you a truthful answer to your original question through your update
If that helps you sleep at night. If it makes you feel better, I respect your opinion to my question. I don't agree with it, but if everyone in one room was agreeing on the same thing, something would go wrong. Like I said, agree to disagree.
Reading through all the comments, it's clear that you're the odd one out.
Yeah, I am. I have higher standards than most and I don't think that's wrong. I rather be an odd man for respecting myself than anything else.
Same here, I have high standards so I'm no woman's chump. I'm as much of a treat for the right woman as she is for me and I'm not going to jump through hoops to gain her favor.
It is called equality. You have to take the bad, with the good.
The culture has changed. If you want to find a guy that is old fashioned, go to another country, where women are seen as weak. I don't date weak women, nor will I insult my dates by treating them like they are weak.
Being polite isn't insulting a girl.
The reason men use to act that way towards women, was because women were considered weak, and fragile. It had nothing to do with respecting the woman. I don't think you know how men really treated women back then. The world was full of male chauvinists, that treated women little better than property. You clearly have no idea how much better the average man today is.
@ update. Then you need to be more clear. Most of us have encounter women that refuse to ever open a door for themselves.
For God's sake, I'm not asking men to treat me like I'm weak. And yes, I'm well aware of the way women were treated in the past. Like I said, and I'll say again, I'm asking why this generation has no sense of what respect is. What manners are. It's not just about how a women should be treated, its everyone. And saying that the culture's changed isn't a very good excuse to me. It's seems like common courtesy was thrown out the window.
I don't think you have been making yourself very clear. By your updates you have completely changed the context of what it first sounded like you were talking about. Now I am not even sure what these guys are doing that is so rude.
If you were on the date I was on, you would understand. lmao
Look, I'm a nice, polite girl, just trying to find a man that treats me with as much respect as I do him. I never thought that one simple question would cause a debate where people bash me on what I thought were universal manners.
And when you say you don't understand what I mean by "rude" answers my question perfectly.
And when you say you "don't understand what's rude" answers my question perfectly.
oops, double comment : /
Depends on if you consider him rude for not pulling out your chair, or if you consider him rude because he was burping that alphabet. It is not just black and white, there are shades of gray you know.
lol true
i always treat ladies like ladies. I think of them like our sisters, if I had a sister I would treat my sister like a lady
Absolutely not astonishing. It's dangergous (metoo), it's controversial (some like it, others don't) and it's of course MISOGYNISTIC because she isn't a weak, inept female, right?
Lol at you thinking men should pay for you, don't be hypergamous
I wished I knew. I still open the door for my wife, and pay for every meal we take together. Nothing wrong there...
The answer to this lies into why women don't treat men, like men anymore.
Let me know when you sussed it out. ;)