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It's not all guys, but the loud, insecure king baby types will always be hypercritical of women no matter what they do. What puzzles me is why women go for guys like that. They bring nothing but misery to life , but they always find plenty of foolish women who somehow believe they have a future with Mr. Douche. what a tragedy.
I don't have a problem with this. I love all those girly stuff and I know that my man will definitely love this side of me. I mean, why would he even love me if it isn't for everything about me?
You got a futuređ I say the higher the heels the loser to GOD
Pretty sure God doesn't care about high heels.
No but men do
Good observation. I think it's because a lot of that stuff isn't productive, and is superficial and vain. You'll never hear a man complaining about a women making something, for instance cooking, knitting, quilting, photography, or making art.
They've been taught that doing feminine things themselves is "gay" which is "shameful" when a lot of things considered feminine shouldn't even be gendered.
When is femininity linked to wearing:
Jewellery - men also wear it
Makeup - men wear it too
Dresses - in the past everyone did
Heels - they were actually made for men
The essence of feminity is not how you can make yourself feminine BUT that you are feminine in your DNA encoding. Nothing can ever change it. It was chosen at the moment of conception.
I mostly agree, though would debate femininity and masculinity are exemplified by behaviours and preferences according to how the majority define these terms at the time. These behaviours and preferences can be learned through cultural interaction, for example you see a beautiful woman who is beautiful and doing the things she listed, you want to feel beautiful and mimic her to do so, which exemplifies your femininity by wearing dresses that show off your skin, make up that shows off your beautiful face, heels to show off your ass and make you easier to kiss, and jewelry to... yeah, you got me on that one, I don't care much for jewelry on both men and women.
I'd personally add getting nails done to this list, men already do it, and tbh I wouldn't mind doing it, I feel like having painted nails would be cool af.
@devilman666
I wear a dress because its comfortable
I don't wear makeup.. as it's uncomfortable
I don't wear heels as its uncomfortable
This must mean I am not feminine.
Beautiful woman who is doing the things the asker listed*
To add to things that exemplify femininity, getting your hair done in a girl style and things like how you hold yourself, how you walk, how you look at others, can all play into how feminine others see you as being.
Not true. You know what exemplify means, correct? Further, You seem to prefer things you find comfortable to things that would change other peoples opinions about you. A typically more masculine trait but not out of place in women. It doesn't make you less feminine, but can make you seem less feminine to others. I do agree that everything except for dresses are poor examples of expression of femininity, dresses today are typically designed solely for the female body and almost always look comical or pathetic on men.
@devilman666
Maybe biologically there is something wrong with me that I don't really buy in looking feminine but doing what I think makes sense through personal experience.
Lol I would be shunned in the past for such a aggressive and open mind. Women weren't allowed to have opinions.
I dont think there is anything biologically wrong with you for behaving that way.
Whether or not you would be shunned like that depends on the culture you came from. Every culture has different standards of masculinity and femininity, there is not set standard worldwide. Which is a large part of why you can be feminine while seeming masculine to others.
Also, to backtrack a little, you mentioned femininity in your dna, but I don't see how we can measure that except by saying you're either male or female, or an exception to the rule. Feminine and masculine are just words that describe things that are typically associated with either women or men.
Sorry if I seem rude by the way, I just enjoy debating people I see as intelligent. I agree with what you're saying, I just feel like there are things that make you come across as more feminine/masculine.
@devilman666 I think you are born with both feminity/masculinity and gender. It explains why certain children act like the opposite gender, and feel like they are in the wrong body.
I really think xneoestrogens have a big role in this.
As the fetus is susceptible to hormones more than the mother is. And we surrounded by them. It really explains biologically the reason what is happening to society right now.
I beg to differ about feminity is decided at conception. Boys and men both are subjected to being pushed to be gay homosexual by parents and other people until the boys and men give in and become homosexual a lot of times. I refuse and resent these actions, to force me to become a homosexual, I never will!
@MM442 research the effects of xneoestrogens like plastic bpa on child sex when in the womb.
Scientific community long knew this, many published journals on thos matter.
The information is out there.
This**
@warmapplecumble, the research is out there for parents that have boys but wanted girls so they dress the boys up in girl closes and make the boys prance around as girls, with makeup and wigs. some of the feminist is started and pushed on boys to be homosexuals by parents and other people. Why did you delete my comment when it is a fact that you want to coverup and denied. It can be change and has been changed. Just because you disagree, it's still facts. They have even shown on tv parents parading boys as girls with parents big smiles happy that their son is dressed and prancing around as a girl more that real girls do.
All the feminine products, contain feminine hormones, birthcontrol pills, feminine hormones supplements that women excrete as waste goes into our Water đ§ system that isn't filtered out changes male to have too much estrogen and can turn men to being gay. Male fish turn into female fish from all the female hormones in our water supplies. This is all facts. PBA causes a lot of health problems, your being very narrow minded and refusing all facts. Look it up it is all real facts. People push men to become gay if they want sex because men are refused sex by women. That is a fact too. You must allow all facts. Not just the ones you demand to push on men!
@MM442 you are just repeating what I said
No you demanded a persons sexuality whether they are gay or straight is determined in the womb in their DNA, that is false there is a whole host of influences after berth not in the DNA that decides if a person is going to be straight or gay. You didn't state the things I stated. Your trying to take credit for what I stated.
@MM442 ... why so much ego
I"m not having ego, this goes right back to what I have stated in previous post, that women demand they are always right and men are always wrong. If a man disagrees with a woman then the woman demand the man has an ego problem or he is a bad guy. I made a statement why you aren't right with facts and you say I have ego problem. So who really has the ego problem? You could have just let me be right with the facts I presented.
@MM442 .. I don't have the energy
I already mentioned about xneoestrogens affecting human embryo...
I really don't think nurture would effect us as more as nature. Its just the gene expression is probably there and the nurture turns the epigenetics on.
But... I do however believe we have a huge problem with xneoestrogens.
Feminity is not makeup and high heels. That is very stupid to even think that.
And as to women winning or men.. I don't really care. I am here to give opinion.
Nothing in the whole universe is absolute truth. You as a mere human can't even prove your existence let alone defend my answer.
Everything I stated has nothing to do with the xneoestrogens affects on the embryo. The sex is determined in the womb whether female or male, but some people are born with both male and female genitals too then they have to decide if they are going to be a male or female or both. Whether a person is gay or straight is learned not decided in the womb.
@Warmapplecrumble so are you saying you are more than just a mere human? You put me down for being a mere human. So you know everthing about humans and the whole universe. That is what you where stating. Talk about ego.
A guy does not want his masculinity to be judged or come off as soft. However, he likes to see his love/partner as something cute and feminine. Some dudes are not into girls with a manly side and want something cute and cuddly, again not all though!
Unless it's the same guys saying it, it doesn't mean much.
I commonly say I don't like makeup. But I also don't like too girly.
Plus, something like makeup is very different than things like nails, heels, etc. It doesn't have to be all or none.
Maybe cause they can't see themselves or other guys being feminine. They don't like it. Some of them may think that guys should stay like guys and girls should stay like girls. I think the stereotype of girls being weaker than guys comes into play as well.
I think I prefer moderation of it. Of course I want a feminine girl at times, I just have a problem when she seems superficial with it if that makes sense.
See the first of all let me make it clear that all the heterosexual guys appreciate feminity there is not one heterosexual guy that will say that they don't like feminity but thing is that and i mean it in a simple way no shade but sometimes women overdo it... now a days people often mistake a lady who is being clingy to her feminine traits.. now this is sure for a fact that one must take care of themselves and do whatever they feel gives them joy coz only then you are are really you and a guy should like you for that. So the bottom line is there is not a single guy won't want his patner to take care of themselves and look good.
I honestly don't know why some men don't like women wearing makeup, feminine clothing and accessories. I'm fortunate enough that my boyfriend loves it when I get dressed up for him when we go out, he tells me when he thinks that I look pretty or he likes the way my perfume smells or the dress that I'm wearing for the occasion. He also gets a kick out of messing up my makeup when he kisses me, smearing my lipstick all over the place. LOL It's hilarious and I enjoy it.
We bash cuz in reality, we are afraid of the feminine nature to be seen through us and for other guys to call us queer. we love you and want to have the type of love and care that you do give out, but we fear your disapproval so we quickly show our defencive side to be safe. Not forgetting that you also bash male things as it is only human nature to be defencive about our insecurities due to the MF Ego.
It's not easy to come out of the closet to say one is gay as the fear of wide disapproval is higher than the approval.
For me what matters in physical appearance is the shape of the face and to a lesser degree general shape of the body. Those things are something make-up and all the things you mentioned can't change. Thats why i think these things are a bit silly especially when they take a lot of effort or are uncomfortable. Besides these things simply aren't inharently feminine. If the custom was that women had short hair then that would be considered "feminine" same goes for clothes and shoes.
another words i like femininity in a women not some random stuff, declared to be feminine, on her.
I really can say it any better than @Benedek38 , he hit the nail on the head!
Essentially there is a line. Makeup, jewellery, certain clothing, getting nails done, etc is all attractive up until a point. When it becomes excessive or even obsessive, it devalues any natural beauty that that individual may have.
honestly, i don't think i can either... but ima try... that cunt benedek (lol) said everything. pictures too. I want him on my team... lol
Just realised there that i put "can" instead of "can't" haha and good luck!
It's probably some men that say they like a certain thing, and some men that say they like another. We aren't made up of one homogenous opinion.
Although, living with women almost my whole life I've noticed that a lot of the shit you do isn't to impress men at all. It's to impress other women.
They may correlate "playing dress-up" with not being adventurous. Maybe they're projecting their own gender insecurities onto the female. Perhaps they are actively attempting to portray themselves as not being superficial, but are overplaying their hand and bluffing. They actually sound pompous and arrogant... maybe some person gender/sexual orientation conflicts. I don't know. Dont waste your time.
If guys like femininity why do they often bash feminine/girly things?
*I don't. It is an expression of style. Just not necessary all the time.
This is PURELY a appearance thing and not about behavior by the way.
*No it is not. You act like you look. Clean up and dress up a "wino" and he will ACT differently.
Sometimes guys bash feminine things just for fun, other times, to bolster their masculinity. Sometimes, because the feminine things, because it's done over the top, etc.
I don't know but i think that femininity isn't the same thing as being a girly girl. I think they like the submissive and nurturing nature rather than the high maintenance and superficial women.
Mayne it sounds strange but could it be that some guys have diffrent taste? Nah I have no idea whay are we talking about
Because those men can't obtain those types of women. What they can obtain is a plain woman who does little with her appearance.
It's not bashed per se. I believe we find a girl more attractive without makeup, because if a girl is attractive without makeup, than she'd be even more so with makeup. Makeup is perceived as less attractive, because it creates an illusion of attractiveness, where "anyone can be pretty."
Not sure what your talking about. I like to see all this in my wife. Except the make-up. To me a lot makes her look fake. Problem is rarely go to events that call for such appearance. I should make a change so she will 😉
I've never noticed... I definitely like a girly girl who wears dresses and stuff. That's feminine. I love feminine. 👌
The guys who bash it are mostly losers who can't get girls, so they take shots at girls in any way they can out of spite.
I don't know. GaG is a weird place to discuss feminine subjects. But there is nothing I like more in a woman than an embrace of her femininity.
Those guys are usually losers. Often it seems like they say those things just to sound like they're different.
Feminine LOOKS like beautiful round fully developed breasts not girly girly *girly voice* ooohh look at my pink point nails type, don't I look so cute and adorable giggles.
Really? there are guys that do that?
I`m guessing it be guys that are so called from the hood, lol
Femininity isnât just sparkles and glam. Some very made up women are hard as nails.
Compare something like this, while attractive - isnât especially âgirlyâ in a soft, giggly sense:
https://goo.gl/images/ZM1Mj1
To something like this:
https://goo.gl/images/XeMJJV
The body language, the facial cues, the energy is totally different.
only let me see first link
Ahh. The second was a gal in a flowy off the shoulder top and jean shorts with long wavy hair, a smile, open posture, etc.
Hereâs a random pic to compare what I mean about femininity being as much about body language & energy & facial cues: https://goo.gl/images/rtweKN
She has a masculine outfit and even some stronger features; but the posture & smile are friendly and warm - where Kylieâs dress shows her curves, but her face & posture are confrontational.
Another example
Glam, but not girly:
https://goo.gl/images/N3JtHM
Girlier:
https://goo.gl/images/dZmo8Z
Esp w/ the IG baddie trend, vacant or disdainful looks and angry body language seem to be tied up with high make up and glam looks.
Its a matter of taste. Each person has a different view on beauty.
Personally i fall into that category of not liking make up and such. Its okay as long as you are not mutilating yourself. Painting nails and some make up is fine. But over doing it can impact your skin and can cause health issues later. I am vary of that. Its not an issue if the relation is one night stand.
But if its going to be my partner, i want the best of her.
Because bashing femininity is an easy way for some guys to seem/be more masculine and inflate guy's egos. It's kind of less masculine to acknowledge the value of femininity in itself. Not the way it should be, but the way it is nonetheless.
Are those girly things superficial, vain, and impractical? Important distinction.
Heels, tiny purses, pants with no pockets, stupid hairstyles that cost 100's of dollars, long nails, bright red lipstick, shake n' piss dogs in purses, 87 selfies, ordering a salad and eating our shrimp. That's not 'hating femininity.'
I guess I have not noticed that. I am a guy that has a feminine side. I don't really bash what others like.
Men are arroused visually, and what they speak of they donât notice when they see it in real life.
Because that's what men have over women - masculinity, strength, sport, competition. Testosterone levels, but still I would never bash femininity. That's bullying and probably due to some insecurity
You have noticed! Congratulations, you are ahead in the social game of norms.
Okay, honestly, a lot of guy's don't like these things but society tells you and everyone they do. Our parents raise us and say things like, "put on your makeup you need to look good" making us believe we need makeup to look good. But we don't! If you like it, then do it, but don't do it because you think you have to.
Practicality over looks. High heels aren't practical neither are skirts.
The make up thing comes from feminists and the 'pink tax'. Men can see that women don't need to spend tonnes of money on makeup , nails and hair so we discourage it. However if you can afford it then it's a turn on for some guys.
Men have a bit of an issue here. Because they want you to understand they want you for who you are inside, that your heart matters more than anything else. Unfortunately, many of us are unsure how to say this, or even unaware of it. So, we bash on feminine types of appearance. It is a foolish and confused way of attempting to make it known they are not looking for just some appearance, but a person. There is, of course, some few out there that are simply sexist.
Most insightful comment I've ever seen on this sitd... thank u
It is my pleasure to try to help any and all with any insights I have. I feel humbled and grateful by your comment, so thank you as well.
Not a problem you missed your calling
Calling?
What you where supposed to do in life, a natural gift. Is called your calling
Natural gift for what, exactly?
Relationship expert. U Explain males so well
Ah. Well, I appreciate you saying so. I'm happy to help in any way possible.
What @Cosytoasty said. Cannot put it any better than that!
The men you're referring to are largely MGTOW losers and woman-haters. I'm personally a big supporter of femininity in women, so long as it doesn't extend to general uselessness and credit card abuse.
They donât hate that exactly, depends on how over the top it is and the examples youâve used arenât the only things that qualify as girly.
We dont hate it, we only hate make up because A. Some really over do it, and B. It hides more than it shows, and were fans of natural beauty not covered up features
As a man i like it when a girl puts on makeup but not too much and its nice to know how she looks like without makeup so i guess its all about moderation. But men are susceptible to lots of makeup lol
in my opinion I like these things to a point, like I like for a girk to be able to do those things. But at the same time I like to know that its not the only way she is, like I just like versatility based on the situation we are in. Plus I think guys also know makeup can hide a lot of things, and I feel like sometimes girls hide more than minor blemishes and by the time the guy finds out he feels like he was lied to.
Some woman do look better without make up, and some need make up, also im nit fan if heels but i don't care what a girl wears, it's her style not mine, she can wear whatever she likes, it's her life but i never noticed this i want a feminine women not MAN, only reason why i could think of any push back is due to feminist and sexual harassment, so men could say then don't look so nice
Because feminity or masculinity in women is considered a reflection of those women, but many men internalize a like of feminine things as a reflection of themselves. They criticize it because they dislike it in themselves.
Fashion has nothing to do with femininity.
When guys say they like feminine things, they aren't talking about stupid accessories or clothes or make-up or shoes.
"Fashion has nothing to do with femininity."
appearance wise it does, this isn't behavioural.
You can conflate two different things if you want, but don't blame me if you become confused.
Not true though, apparence determines a feminine or masculine apparence so that doesnât even make sense lol
Appearance*
So you don't believe there are feminine qualities, just feminine appearances?
LOL, what are you, a self-hating woman? Self-effacing? I don't even know WHAT that would be called. A materialist in the purest philosophical sense of the word?
What are you on about? lol
of course there are feminine qualities, this isn't the question this is purely a appearance question.
Well, it CAN'T be, because you're conflating the two things! You want to attribute what guys say about two different things to only one thing. I'm pretty sure that the guys you're talking about don't make the same conflation.
That's what I'm saying.
Guys who don't like lipstick are not also saying they dislike a woman's sensibilities. Which seems to be the point you're trying to get at.
Seems this question went over your head a little doesn't it :) least most guys understood it and gave me answers to the question.
I don't bash femininity or feminist i support them.
Girly fans bash tomboys and vice versa but who cares, just live your life as you want to.
Because we are not a hive mind, we are individuals and some individuals like me appreciate feminity while others hate it.
We like it when you act feminine but don't go all out girly on us with the hair, makeup and shoes. Do it in moderation please.
Well, girls like masculinity (when it relates to men) yet they bash things that are masculine.
They're attracted to feminine girls, doesn't mean they're gonna be into feminine things.
100% right
I like feminine women love them, especially Latinas and Asian girls, American girls are usually very cliche and wear girly things to make up for their fat body? I don't know
I look as it more on the line of I love the look on my wife buy I donât want her to feel like she has to wear it all the time because I find her just as beautiful without it.
I haven't seen this portrayed on here. Its the fact that guys like different things
Your cute
I know right. The worst part is how they say they like shaved legs because itâs feminine but then they say they donât like makeup cuz itâs âfakeâ lmao
Whats wrong with that?
There is no conflict there.
I dont want you to cake your face in powder so that I cannot see your beautiful skin.
I nearly approaced a woman once because she was a 10, easily she was absolutely stunning, but she was absolutely covered in make up, it must cost a fortune and take ages and all it was doing for me was making her less attractive in exactly the same way as if she were wearing a bag over her face.
Theyâre both feminine. Makeup and shaved legs is considered a womanly thing. Guys just cherry pick a lot. They say they like less makeup, but at the same time, the girls with more makeup get the most admiration from men. Itâs contradictory. Most men say âwe like it naturalâ just to not seem superficial, but their actions say otherwise
Or you have a preconcieved idea and dont understand what confirmation bias is.
Actually, Iâd be shocked if someone didnât know what confirmation bias was. Please donât insult me.
Ask any man you see if theyâd want makeup in a woman, and if theyâd like shaved legs. Try it out. Youâll see :)
Opinion owner, I think what guffrus is trying to say is that, Shaving legs and makeup aren't comparable. One of them is just altering a perfectly natural and normal aspect of the body, and the other is going out and contaminating your skin with foreign objects to the point you can't even recognise them as the same human being anymore.
Shaving legs is just like.. a minor improvement. Wearing makeup is completely changing how you look as a person. The difference here is extreme.
To the best of my knowledge confirmation bias is not a generally understood concept. But i dont have data on it and I am not about to suggest to you that you go out into the street and start conducting surveys to determine the validity of my arguments, I accept that the burden of proof lies with me.
What i said was inflamatory, because what you said was inflamatory; You are telling me that I am a liar or that i do not know what I want and that no other man who expresses the same view as me does either.
Let me assure you the very last thing that I would be admiring a woman for would be the amount of make up they are wearing and frankly I find your assertion to be, at best, ridiculous.
They are both feminine. So what?
So if you tell me that you enjoy dessert you are only allowed to like all of the desserts equally?
@Riggers Please dont speak for me I am more than capable of expressing my own views.
My personal tastes are nothing to do with the ideas you put forward.
Adding a piercing would easily fall into the catagory of contaminating skin with foreign objects and I sometimes find that attractive not to mention the fact that make up itself can add to a lady's appearence, I am not rejecting the entire thing, baby, bathwater and all. I am simply stating that I personally find excessive make up to be less attractive. I generally like it to be subtle, enhancing what is there naturally but then I also like bright green hair and some gothic stuff. I think that is probably different for me because it is more theatrical and not an attempt to be fashionable or whatever it is the mainstream is trying to achieve, frankly I dont even know what they are aiming for, I just know that it is not for me.
Hypocrite they are
@Guffrus I said they were more expensive
I like Femininity on females, and only females. I think the men that try to be feminine are just a laughing stock.
I've not noticed this and I adore women who do all of those things listed. It makes me weak at the knees
We don't like too much of it. Too much make up, or trying too hard to be the cliché of a woman. But a "girly" girl is the best.