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Is wanting a submissive girlfriend a bad thing?
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I think it’s a personal preference, everyone has one but at the same time I do think that there are some instances where men want specific submissive characteristics because they have a particular failing in that area themselves. Having a partner be submissive in those areas means they aren’t challenged to do better or change because she accepts what is in that position.
I think there are definitely types of men who are naturally dominant, and earn that position and respect through their hard work, natural ability and leadership qualities and that it feels safe to trust in him.
However the amount of men who think they embody those qualities is nowhere near the amount of men who actually display them, and those are the ones I worry would find someone to submit to them and utterly fail her
yea, I think guys who are fixated on a female being submissive are insecure about their own masculinity so they want someone to walk all over
That’s exactly it sweets.
All of the men I’ve met who have very dominant personalities and crave providing and caring for their wives never had to voice or demand their need for their submission - they just naturally gravitated towards women who filled that role but also openly displayed the qualities that would make those women feel secure enough to trust him in that role
I feel like those people are - in much larger part (90% of them) - afraid of strong people in general and aren't ready to face the possibility of being challenged by a 'weaker sex'...
For the rest 10% it's a true fetish - they always want to be dominant and have a submissive partner.
Honestly speaking - I avoid men and women who want someone specifically and only submissive or dominant in their relationships... just because it feels (rightfully so) that they have some deep rooted personal issues they're trying to cure with such a specific relationship dynamic.
I don't thinks it's bad. I think a lot women may have a problem with it cause when they hear the word submissive they think it's being a doormat or being taken advantage of. Submissive doesn't necessary mean that, it just means you take step back in order to let your man lead the way sometimes. Cause that's what a man is suppose to do, he's suppose to protect, provide, build, and lead and there's nothing wrong with that as long as you don't let it go to your head.
100% accurate.
A man is not "supposed" to do anything. Wake up from your deep slumber, we don't live in 1952 anymore. A man can be whatever he chooses to be and do what he chooses to do. And the same goes for women too, by the way. That is not to say that I have a problem with you living a traditional relationship - that is completely up to you. But don't go around making general prescriptions and rules how people supposedly must behave to be real x or y. It's just as arrogant as saying a black man needs to eat watermelon and chicken every day in order to be a "real" black man.
@BlueCoyote What are you talking about? Yes are men are suppose to do something, hello if you look back in history you will see its men who took charge of almost everything. Men are were created to build, discover, be leaders. How is that being in a slumber or living in 1952? See this is the thing about men today, when we say we want a strong man who is intelligent, in charge, has his career and money together then that's when you want to complain and say women and society are pressuring you to be certain way. But then when people, especially women, start saying how they don't need you and can build their lives and businesses on their own that's when you want turn the tables and say you want submissive women and that feminism and everything else in between is ruining your image as a man. Its not arrogant, and saying black people eat watermelon and chicken is stereotype not a general prescription.
1. Just because something has been a certain way for a long time doesn't mean it must continue that way. If we used that argument as a general mindset, we might as well establish absolute monarchy again. Things change. Get over it.
2. Men weren't "created" for anything. There is no inherent purpose in evolution or the existence of humans. We simply ARE.
3. Where am I complaining? I'm not complaining about anything. I'm telling you not tell other people what's right and wrong. You're not the moral high priest of this world. Your view is one opinion but it's not some sort of holy truth.
As for the black man... I guess you don't understand analogies.
@BlueCoyote
1. This is the very thing men are complaining about already. They're saying how women these days are acting to much like men and that they don't have the same amount of rights as women do. Yes times have changed, however not all changes have a good outcome.
2. Men and women have purpose and were created for a reason, its to continue humanity. I don't believe in evolution, I believe in God so if you think human existence and life is all one big pointless random thing that occurred and that we're all here to work until death just make some else rich then that's you.
3. I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about men in general who talk about this issue. And I never said my word was truth or that I'm a moral high priestess, that's your own thinking.
4. I do understand analogies, you just made a terrible one.
Well sweetheart, you need a man to save your ass. Why can't you find your battles on your own? That's why I like tomboys, they fight their own battles.
@MidnightCowboy The hell? why are you assuming I like to play the damsel in distress? I didn't say i needed a man to save me but a man should want to save his women if he loves and treasures her. See this your problem, men today don't like being told be a leader but when women try to take that sense of power from you that's when you want to act but hurt and say its women's fault for ruining masculinity etc. Pick a freaking side, you don't get to keep the title of the strong male lead if you don't want to be a strong male lead.
You already know my answer Adonis... It’s biological to want a submissive woman. Masculine energy is dominant against feminine energy, if you want a more submissive woman then you’re normal. Now, it should be noted what the word “submissive” actually means because many will automatically jump to the word “slave” to define it. I believe a submissive woman trusts her man to lead and take control while also providing support. A woman who is submissive relinquishes herself to her man because she trusts him. I’ve been with a woman like this before and she was everything but weak. By the way, it’s natural for feminine energy to follow masculine energy hence why men don’t respond well to women leaders
next time put that key word in all capitals please
yes you should leave some space in between
I like your opinion. People usually equate submissive with weak and dominant with strong. They think of them as their extremes. Usually it's not that way.
I'm submissive, but it doesn't mean I NEED someone to take care of and protect me. I know I can do it for myself, but I WANT a man to be in charge. It helps me relax and not stress, knowing my man can take care of me.
In return it makes me very happy and satisfied to know I contribute to the relationship by doing what I know he wants me to. He also does what I want by taking charge.
We both contribute when making big decisions like buying a house or moving. We both can also freely tell each other what we want and like vs not want and not like.
The extremes might be bad, but they would also compliment each other.
Are we talking sexually submissive or non-sexually (in the general relationship?)
Yes and no. It is completely acceptable but I wouldn't call it natural any more than wanting a dominant girlfriend. People are simply different, so putting one preference over another by calling it natural seems misplaced to me. My general attitude in life is "whatever floats your boat" and so I don't think it's wrong or objectionable to want a submissive girlfriend. It's just what you like. No woman is forced to be with you if she doesn't tick like that.
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There is a great diversity in our species. There are guys who want to dominate a girl and there are girls who want to be submissive. If they find each other and they can make each other happy, who are we to say that is wrong?
It's highly questionable. I think most guys who say that just want the advantage of more power in the relationship. If he finds a sucker that's willing to be a submissive then great, but I know I'd never want to be.
I think it depends on what level they are talking about.
A little dominance is very attractive in a man. A little submission is attractive in a woman. It's biological. Woman nurtures man protects. But a woman also can get as if not more angry... to protect her offspring.
you have a degree in genetics and I M not great at genetics
I'll ask whether
"concepts like co-dominance and incomplete dominance" can be applied to male and female dominance or recession or not?
Not at all. I want such a girlfriend too. Tho submissiveness for me mostly just means being submissive in bed. She can do mostly whatever she wants outside of it. In a general relationship, I'd want us both to make decisions with perhaps me taking the brunt of the hard decision making and her being my right-hand woman.
No it's fine. Like you said most guys want a sub girl anyway. It's biology. As long as your not treating her like a personal slave then all is good
I agree Meg
I think if a guy seeks out a submissive girl that says something about his insecurities. If a guy Is a naturally dominant person, the girl he ends up with is going to be submissive by default. Largely because many women just prefer a dominant guy.
Kind of a paradox. Even dominant men instinctively seek out submissive women (by submissive I mean someone who is submissive in relation to them, but could be dominant in relation to others). So are these supposedly naturally dominant guys also insecure somehow?
@ThisDudeHere you’re right. I guess It is a bit of a paradox. Maybe it’s just that many guys prefer not to have dominating women. So the relationships that stick end up being dominant guy, not so dominant woman.
Mm no It's not. But I avoid guys who exclusively like submissive girls. Sometimes they mistakenly think I am one of them too, because I tend to be polite and nice person and when they see I am not submissive at all they get confused.
The thing I dislike about men who exclusively date submissive women is that they want their wives to stay at home, be with kids all the time, act all innocent and things like that. They are mostly conservative and less open minded. From my experience.
I have posted on this kind of thing before, but I think anybody who wants a girlfriend who's submissive in ALL things has insecurity issues.
Don't get me wrong, I like my girlfriends to be submissive in the bedroom (and I also like a fight about that on my hands, too), but not in public, and not in the rest of our life outside the bedroom. I like a challenge, and I think most guys who aren't lacking in self esteem would agree with this.
Well, it depends on what they mean. Do they want a girlfriend who is just a blind following sex toy they get to order around? I don't think that's very good.
Or do they want a fully capable, self-assured woman who enjoys submission in a negotiated power exchange?
What's funniest to me is some of these guys say "men are not trying to hold women down" and "there's no such thing as sexism any more in Western countries" but then tell you women are all meant to be subservient to men in some fashion.
Either way, submissive I ain't.
It's not a bad wish. However the guy must keep in mind one thing. Just because the woman is submissive it doesn't mean that he should treat her badly or walk all over her. The guy should treat her well, should treat her good, the guy should respect and understand her submissiveness.
lol first of all
expecting something is okkay, but it should not be a necessary condition for being in relationship with the person.
so it's acceptable
you can say that it's natural for a girl to be submissive
expecting/wanting is not bad. it's okkay if it's not a necessary condition.
many girls are not submissive, they're bold and dynamic. It's their nature.
if you don't like anybody's nature, then don't think of making her your girlfriend...
No. Women want dominant men and men want submissive women. It's been like that for a bazillion years - you can't undo that.
If a woman does not want to submit to her man then she should go it on her own.
If a woman dominates a man she will eventually lose all respect for him, and come to loathe him over time.
It just doesn't work.
The FI keeps trying to say that everyone is the same. Equal say is one thing, but the genders are simply just not the same.
I am very assertive in real life. Being a skinny, short arse, I have to be. But in the bedroom, I turn very sub. Nothing wrong with that at all.
it's like saying "i want a confident gf". there's nothing wrong with it. it's your personality preference. as long as you don't want to disrespect her n make her your slave its all fine.
I think its perfectly acceptable to have a preference. I was searching for a Dominant woman when I met my girlfriend. I don't think most people search for a Dominant or a submissive partner but I think its fine if people do
I think it's very natural, and even I'm okay with them. Women who hate guys for liking subs are just ones who like to be in control yet think you're bad for wanting to be in control. Block 'em out and keep wanting what you want.
Dude what real man wants a woman that wants to fight or have control over the wheel? A straight up sissy and submissive punk.
I desire a submissive woman because I want to lead the relationship or marriage as a man suppose to.
And besides submissive woman are super sexy. I'm not talking about a doormat kinda woman, but rather a woman that lets a man be a man.
No, it's not a bad thing. That's your preference. Only you know what kind of relationship works for you and makes you happy. Everyone has their own preferences , and that's their prerogative , coz it's their life. It's right and normal if that's your personal preference
not sure what all guys mean by submissive but i think all of us.. or at least most of us wants a partner that wou;d do things for us and listen to our needs. This doesn't mean that submmissive girlfriend should do every single thing that man asks her for, because this will become eventually boring and predictable
and guys wamts to be the bosses bevause ""men ego"" so that would explain some things
it's weird to me. like women only come in two forms. submissive or dominant.
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