+1 ySwitch the genders and you'd have my initial opinion... but that would be generalizing so I'll drop the gender focus.
The importance of a relationship is for exclusivity. Given your opinion of men, you've ran into a lot of men that isn't focused on having an 'exclusive relationship' meaning they exclude the option of sex with others in favor of building a deeper than sex relationship with one person exclusively... shielding that relationship from the damage that including others can cause.
My initial opinion of women can be based of the same premise. You and I are merely working of anecdotal experience though, and the gender basis of our opinion might have a lot to do with the perspectives our genders has granted us with... I don't deal with men, maybe you don't deal with women in exclusive relationships.
My bias, tends to view women as desperate for obtaining relationship status in order to advance a grasp on keeping him hers, until she can monkey branch to a new guy she has on the backburner... the cake and eating it too. My opinion on men is that if they didn't really want a relationship to begin with, he might placate to her desire of wanting him to be exclusive, just to get some sex... but never had any real intentions of being exclusive from the start. Does that sound familiar? If so, we may have found the common ground we could base some reasoning on. Like what is the importance of wanting exclusivity... her for attention, thus finding more on the DL, or him for sex, thus finding more on the DL perhaps?
Of course if the male and female both want exclusivity, I doubt the value of monogamy is less for either the male or the female. They'll focus their primary desire, attention or sex respectively, and obtain their secondary through the same person as well, attention or sex respectively... but if attention is sought elsewhere, it could equal sex, if sex is sought elsewhere, so too with the attention it can bring.20 Reply
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Why ask a question if you only want validation of your claim?
You seemingly reject the answers of everyone not saying "Cus men are trash!"
Men are fundamentally polygamours, because they are biologically programmed to spread their genes. Obviously this is an oversimplification, but a successful male in nature is one that has many offsprings.
Women are hypergamous, because they need the support of the strongest, most stable available men to raise their children.
Both of these are parts of the natures of the respective sexes, and both of these are horrible things when taken to the extremes.
And women cheat as much as men, they initiate 70-80% of divorces, they commit 50% of reported domestic violence... seriously, stop being a prejudicial manhater, and grow the fuck up!00 Reply
I will generalize this. Some people date to satisfy their emotional needs. Some date to satisfy physical needs. When an emotional need is not met, a person might still linger around if he/she is used to being around the other person. When a physical need is not met and the person values this requirement in a relationship, then there is a high chance that he/she will stray. It is a matter of priorities and not so much on gender itself. Women are becoming more independent nowadays as well.
Now, speaking for myself. I've been in two serious relationships, and both of them were cheaters. I value emotional needs. Both of them prioritize physical needs. There you go.12 Reply- +1 y
Could emotional needs be translated to attention? From my experience, seeking attention elsewhere is primarily what led to cheating physically for females. ... and just like you said, the guys prioritized the physical need... or what I'd call sex.
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@D_Bone_Steak Yes. Personally I like receiving the attention that my S/O gives to me. However if he does give someone else his attention/fails to give me any, it could lead me to feel rather inferior, but this does not give me an incentive to move on to someone else. It is merely priorities like I've said.
I think men are more flexible to be in a monogamous relationship if their needs are met. Yet it could be true that women are raised to be innocent virgins and this is why they want different things, and eventually initiating divorce. I've heard the percentage is higher with women
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+1 yyes, it seems like women are more about preserving the family, at least this is what i have seen from my experience and other people experiences
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Lol three guys has downvoted me because I have shity guys in my life
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+1 yMost women do. We were raised to - even unintentionally - want a family and fairy tales were told to us with princes wanting only one woman for life.
These days and maybe since the beginning of life, this sounds unrealistic even because people claim humans aren't supposed to be monogamous.
Then again, women are changing and becoming just like the guys when it comes to freedom.20 Reply
+1 yI wouldn't be so sure about that, not least because it takes two to tango.
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u +1 yAre you asking who cheats more?
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Obviously and why?
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Every time a heterosexual guy cheats, a heterosexual girl cheats, too. Why? Because they think their personal physical pleasure is more important than honoring a commitment. It is a sign of a significant character flaw.
In general yes, probably. What's mindboggling to me is that feminism encourages this hook-up culture and teaches women that it's empowering, but is it really?
If women prefer monogamy, and the social pressures than enforce this are broken down so that now men can sleep with a bunch of women, who wins in that situation? Promiscuous men obviously. They pump and dump a lot of naive misguided women who jump into bed with them too fast and get what they want, while those women often end up miserable.
Yet most women still support feminism, the liberalisation of the dating market, and they complain about slut-shaming and the fact that men can sleep around but women can't as you have right here. If you want more monogamy and less players, you should argue for more shaming of promiscuity, not less. But women do the opposite.30 Reply70 % of divorces are initiated by women; 80 % of child custody goes to the woman completely.
Irrespective of what you "feel", there is a truth that's hard as steel.
Another fact is that women's sexual market value (make of that what you will) goes down as they age; a pretty woman who kept herself a virgin is the most desirable thing to a man.
On the other hand - men become. With advancing age, we become more refined, more skilled and our reanings increase - with these and other factors, our appeal to women increases.
I urge all boys and young men to keep looking forward and work on themselves!70 ReplyEvolutionary speaking it makes sense for men not to want to be with just one woman. If the idea is to produce the most amount of offspring men shouldn't be monogamous. Men would stay with a woman to ensure the offspring survival. Nowadays that isn't needed so much. Female animals have always been more selective because they have a huge burden and energy expenditure for getting pregnant, and thus are more careful with who they mate with.
What you are saying comes from society seems to be more of an evolutionary difference between men and women.20 Reply1.7K opinions shared on Relationships topic. I feel on average men are more honest in how they feel and act about monogamy than women. I feel like women are pressured by society to be in monogamous relationships and will feel shamed if they are sleeping around. So women are forced to lie and deceive in order to sleep around while their public reputation hinges on playing the perfect monogamous partner. As men have less pressure to be pure, they are more willing to be honest and will hurt their reputation by sleeping around even when in a relationship.
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+1 yYes, because woman bless there hearts where born with feelings and emotions way more than men were, we are a bit dumb when it comes to things as such but we do want to care just as much, we just need guidance from you in the right way , not our caveman, grunt and groan way
30 Reply1.6K opinions shared on Relationships topic. Yeah good joke. With all the options a woman has today. Society taught women to be virgin princesses decades ago! Not today! For the simple reason that you women can bang a billion dicks and still be unsatisfied. Men can't get shit nowadays. We've reached a point where an ugly tinder chick that is no more than a 6 sets up tinder dates with over two thousand men and then makes them compete with each toothier for her ugly face. And of course the one guy that won and was according to HER standards the BEST still went back home with a big set of blue balls because there was no... chemistry. So lets forget the myth that says women value a relationship more than.
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+1 yIt's all historical nature of when people died very easily.
Historically, men are supposed to spread their seed before they die, which was a lot and often, in hopes that he would have children to carry on his legacy.
Historically, women would align themselves to the men who could ensure their survival and the survival of her children, whether he were the biological dad or not, and whether he knows it or not. :P
Historically, people had LOT of children to ensure at least ONE of them would live to adulthood.
Nowadays, that's not the case, but you cannot override millenium of "how it was" in a short time span of 100 years.
That said, both sexes are capable of monogamy and capable on polygamy. It just depends on the person.01 Reply- +1 y
TL; DR, No. Everyone values monogamy equally in their own way.
+1 yJudging by the number of women who sleep around and cheat on their partners. Judging by the fact that 70% of divorces are initiated by women. I don't think that women are more monogamous or faithful than men.
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Goodness, ever wonder why a woman tends to initiate the divorce? Stating statistics doesn't particularly help your case. Reasons: Abuse, cheating, alcoholism etc. It could be anything. Why do men not intiate divorces? They're pretty happy with the way their wifes are at their beck and call. Honestly, one could interpret it anyway. So along with that 70% please do state what the reasons are, since otherwise your statement is null and void.
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@Stellastarling beck and call? Women run the house, we have to make them happy or they'll leave... Or worse...
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@SirRexington It's quite convenient of you to leave out every other single issue and address only that, and even to that extent, clearly you live with privelege if that's what you really see. I see women cowering in fear for their husbands return. The woman who works in my house told me so herself and now we've offered her shelter. There are many such cases and stories like these. Especially in the poor and the rich elite. Either you're too poor to say anything, or you threaten and buy everyone's silence. If you really believe that, well then please, do introspect. Maybe that's how you see the world but honestly, in reality that's not what it looks like.
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@Stellastarling privilege? Im autistic, have many emotional disabilities, grew up poor, live in a car with my mom and can barely afford to feed myself. Fuck off with your "you're so privileged" bullshit. I haven't experienced privilege a day in my life. I haven't had much luck with women, regardless of my age or experience or personal growth. I haven't had sex in three or so years.
I dont hate anything more than when people claim i privilege, i have NOTHING. Fuck you. - +1 y
It's interesting as to how you can do all that, and still be a guru on this app. I so call bullshit. Also privelege over here is ignorance. Not the things one has. All the above you spoke of? Sure, tough luck, but at least you have a mother, you're alive, you have a roof over your head. A lot more than a lot of people. Privelege is not necessarily being rich. Privelege is being in a world where they have something, which makes them unable to see it from another point of view. And I'd honestly apologise to your mother about the whole I have nothing. I don't believe she'd be very happy to hear that. I'm sure all she would try to be doing is make you happy. And I doubt that you need to be worrying about women when you're in a stage where you can barely feed yourself. So maybe get your story straight, cause that wouldn't be a concern in the first place.
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@Stellastarling Yep, figures. Thats what happens. Other people go through harship and man, its horrible. I go through it and its like, "oh well, you're not alone, others have worse".
Again, you dont know what you're talking about, you're assuming things and devaluing them. Everyone is ignorant about something but if you genuinely believe i have privilege you can go fuck yourself. Also, its not hard to be a guru, just be a loser has nothing but a phone to keep busy and you will do fine. Unsure what that has to do with anything. Or do you think because im autistic im too stupid to use technology?
And again, you're a fucking hypocrite. All i get is "tough luck" while others get, "i can't believe those people go through that! Thats horrible! We have to do something!". I really hate people like you. - +1 y
@SirRexington Alright sure, do as you wish. And I never mentioned anything about how others have it worse. Okay, I feel for you, but you said it yourself. You have nothing else to do besides use your phone to keep you busy. My question is, why not go turn your life around instead if you're so unfortunate? And by the way, you assume a lot yourself. I don't have to do any of it for you. So try to make life easier for yourself maybe. Cause you're definitely not making it easier for yourself by telling me about it. It does you pretty much no good.
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@Stellastarling it doesn't matter how hard me and my mom work. How much we push to try get ahead. It didn't do anything, it didn't work. We don't earn enough money, it's impossible for me to hold down a job and we were both working when we became homeles. Hard work means little. It's luck and circumstance that prevails.
Most guys just exaggerate their sexual experiences, they sleep with five partners and tell their friends that they have had 10 partners! Because, apparently, its more manly.
And women conceal it, if they have had five partners they might tell no one, or tell their friends that they had two partners at past. Its apparently less womanly I don't know why.
So its very hard to say that women are loyal and men are promiscuous generally17 Reply- +1 y
I think we as women we are very emotional creatures so I believe that is natural for us to be emotionally attached to a man especially after sex so we naturally don't want to share our men with other women where is men don't seem to care as much when it comes to us.
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I agree with you, but about sharing partners, well... It could be a cultural differences, you know?
some cultures encourage men to not let other men be with their partners. not a matter of emotions, more of an Honour thing. But, in those cultures, men won't share partners for sure. - +1 y
Interesting
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Well, Eastern cultures consider a man's partners as part of his social honour. in the other words, if his partners are promiscuous and being shared, he is dishonoured and insulted. No matter if the girl is his lover, his wife or just a casual sex partner. Eastern men want no other male at their pleasure paradise.
So you understand that they will be severely pissed if someone offers them to share their girls - +1 y
Exactly. That's why I have been saying that women are much, much more promiscuous than guys because it's true. Girls under-represent their sex life and guys over-represent it. The reality is that girls are more promiscuous and sexual than guys.
It's funny that if I said that all the girls on this site would be bashing me yet girls themselves prove it. Thank you XD
+1 yNo, women say they do more, but then they cheat as often as men according to most studies now adays. From my personal experience, I'd have to say men value monogamy more. Myself and most of my male friends have been cheated on at one point, yet most of us (me and my friends) haven't ever cheated, as far as I know.
00 ReplyI think it really depends on popular culture in the location you live. Additionally, your ethnic or religious culture plays a big role in this. My ethnic culture, being a Syrian and a Muslim, has taught me to strongly value monogamy. All I need to do is find a girl who is the same way.
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So you aren't a Muslim that believes in having four wives then. That's reassuring
775 opinions shared on Relationships topic. No. My impression is that men are more insistent upon women being monogamous while they can be *natural*
I think on individual basis it really doesn’t uppn the person. Some people value monopoly more than others, but I think most people want to be loved and there are many ways to accomplish that within and outside of cultural norms.02 Reply- 1.6K opinions shared on Relationships topic.
+1 yThat is not true men value monogamy just as much as women. I always hear women say things like this but unless your dating women and men then you don't really know. Women are not said is there is just as many cheating women as there is men probably more. The same things that men do women do I'm sure you have a female friend or know one that doing dirt.
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Cuz they are made, that way...
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+1 yBiology and almost all studies show that men are more likely to cheat in a monogamous relationship. Having said that, I've seen plenty of hoes out there that will go behind their husbands back and cheat. Then they take the kids. It's a real fucked up thing.
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+1 yNot sure. In my experience most men in a relationship look but do not touch. Most women, even monogamous ones, have a man or several in reserve in case the current relationship fails. Also, perhaps it is just my circle, but I know far more wives and girlfriends who have cheated on their significant others than men who have.
10 ReplyI’d say women on average have far more to gain from monogamy, both biologically and financially
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What do you mean by that?
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They can have children knowing all the resources of the man will go to her kids. She’ll often not be expected to work during pregnancy and early childhood, if ever again, then goes on to be provided for by the guy until he dies and she receives life insurance and historically his pension, not to mention everything he paid for by working all his life.
+1 yFrom what I've witnessed, most men in relationships will look but not touch. Most women will have guys just waiting to get their chance so if she's not happy, she'll monkey bar to the next chump.
71 ReplyIt is definitely a double standard but I think a lot of that has to do with potential consequences too. In many areas, pregnancy is more devastating for females than males. That said, it depends on the female or the male. For example, I cut a friend out of my life because I was strictly monogamous and she wanted to hookup with me and the other 6 guys she was seeing casually.
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+1 yUh no
Some women are batshit crazy and will play 10 nice guys around at the same time
And some guys value their one and only woman so much that it hurts when they miss her
It doesn't really matter, maybe it did back in the day but women are becoming more "free" these days so it's kinda equal00 Reply Based on my past relationships and my current marriage... girl.. guys have no idea what the word monogamy even is. Jk. Just make sure you find the right guy with the same morals/values as you, like, monogamy.
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+1 yNot in my experience.
I'd say it's pretty equal between the genders.
I know more women who have cheated personally, but I only date women so that's the side of it that I see.20 Reply
+1 yI can't speak for anyone but myself, but as long as boundaries are set in the beginning I don't mind a poly relationship with consenting parties.
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I agree... but cheating is stepping outside of those boundaries. ... and a poly situation comes with more terms and conditions that actually get talked about in my experience. The usual monogamous situation tends to be, "so we're bf/gf?" and then they just assume each other has the same terms and conditions without talking it out... and then they shit all over each other's boundaries without even realizing they were at the time, at least from my experience. .
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Yeah, I feel boundaries should be set for any relationship really, but poly relationships can fall apart so quickly that it needs a lot of consideration
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Yes, poly situations can fall apart quickly... more people equal more opportunities to cross a boundary. If a person can't even make a 2 people only situation work, they have no business thinking they can handle a poly situation...
lol, kinda funny because the question sort of has a lot to do with 2 people, and one of them adding a 3rd. - +1 y
So you don't believe in monogamy?
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That's very obviously not what I said. "I don't mind a poly relationship."
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A poly relationship/an open relationship is a totally different thing from monogamy.
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Your point? You don't have to be strictly poly or strictly monogamous. I could easily date a woman who's monogamous, which I am now, and I have no desire to be with anyone else as she doesn't want me to be with another person and breaking that trust would make me a cheater.
However, if she ever were to tell me she would like to try poly, I would gladly oblige. You don't have to be one or the other, and just because someone wouldn't mind a poly relationship does not mean that they would break the trust of someone they love in a monogamous relationship.
Relationships and sexuality is much more fluid than that. - +1 y
@Cherrylicious Any relationship has rules, and like when playing a board game, if someone isn't playing fair... that's called...
Granted we do usually use other terms, like social contract, verbal contract, etc. But when me and a friends with benefits, agree to let the other one know if we slip in another partner (with the understanding that sleeping with someone outside of us could introduce something like a STD), then her sleeping with someone and not telling me may not be called 'cheating' per se... but it's still unfair and not playing by the rules we both laid fourth.
The biggest issue with monogamous couples I see, is them 'assuming' what the rules are. One partner may feel like texting another person sexually is cheating, while the other one thinks anything short of having genital contact is not cheating... those two are bound for conflict, because they didn't agree to terms. It's the same for say 3 people that agree to be exclusive to each other... like me and two bi chicks. - +1 y
Right. Like you can even cheat in a poly relationship. Say hypothetically that the three of us in this comment thread entered a poly relationship together. Me sleeping with someone outside of our assigned relationship would be cheating. Just like if I were to sleep with someone other than my current mono girlfriend would be cheating.
It can be confusing for someone who's never really been in a poly relationship, but it's not much different :)
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BIOLOGY tought women to be monogamous. A woman spends a lot of time on a child. So fucking everyone and having 100 children is a bad idea.40 Reply689 opinions shared on Relationships topic. Men value monogamy in women.
Women value monogamy in men.32 Reply- +1 y
So your saying it's equal?
+1 yI value it too. I can't speak for other, but only for myself, I value monogamy.
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+1 yYeaaaah, noooo. Most of the people I know who cheated on a spouse / significant other were women. And it is within all male and female genetics to want more than one partner. You get people who cheat and people who don't. Gender really doesn't change that.
00 ReplyProbably. Women are so protective and scared that their man is cheating on them. wtf? The old days are over where we needed to depend on a man.
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Exactly I think the best thing a woman should do if she's suspecting her man of cheating is to request an open relationship so there will be no more lies and secrets. It also takes the thrill and excitement away in my opinion I believe freedom leads to monogamy.
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Yes. Now we depend on you. Problem is, women don't care about us anymore. Too busy becoming "sexually" empowered.
Women file something like 70% of all divorce papers so obviously not.
30 ReplyI’d say it’s the other way round, most men can be content in a relationship and women are just thots and cheat to date someone better.
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+1 yStudies have shown that a slightly higher percentage of women in the 18-29 age group cheat than men. So that goes against your theory.
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+1 yI've definitely met more guys who declared themselves to be polygamous than girls but that might just be because it is more acceptable for guys to be openly slutty...
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+1 yI'm in the minority then. Strict monogamy, no sex outside relationships, no casual sex, no shit like that.
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So you don't believe in open relationships is what you're saying?
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That is exactly what I'm saying.
And, to be honest, I don't care, who does it. It's slutty. To say it explicitly: even for men.
How about don't fuck around and commit?
+1 yYes I agree. Men are programmed that way. Up until about 50 years ago women had a lot to loose from sex, pregnancy and death. Value culture is taking a while to catch up but I suspect women will become more promiscuous.
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+1 yAll the trashy girls ie older single moms want relationships and all the actual marriageable women of childbearing age who are interesting to me are taught they need to sleep around thus making them crap like the rest. Really sucks.
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+1 yYou should've asked that question while draco malfoy still had his account active
21 Reply2.7K opinions shared on Relationships topic. Nope. Divorce stats will tell you that especially if you look deeper into why all these divorces happen.
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+1 yOnly us white men? Men value monogamy as long as women don't screw around. Or should I say white women?
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I don't think race has any factor in this discussion.
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Sorry, I must have been reading something else just before your question. BUt I still believe men value monogamy as much women.
When you say "value monogamy" do you mean their own monogamy or their partner's monogamy? Because those are two very different things.
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Hell yeah, this perspective is something I wished I thought of. These females that cheat do really value their partner's monogamy... just to limit his options, not hers.
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It is very insightful. Thanks for that.
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When I say monogamy I meant relationship-wise between the guy and the woman.
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+1 yIt’s not about “value”, it’s simply that women are programmed to find a partner and mean are programmed to spread their seed.
It’s not that we don’t value it, it’s that we simply are not programmed to do it.00 Reply - 5K opinions shared on Relationships topic.
+1 yMen get terribly hurt when cheated on.
Women get terribly hurt when cheated on.22 Reply- +1 y
I have to disagree and yes you're right both genders are heartbroken when they are cheated on but I believe it's women that get hurt the most because they give up everything for a guy and put all of their eggs in one basket where is the most those situations a guy has other women that can occupy his time so whenever she breaks up and leaves him and won't bother him as much because he can always go to one of the other women he has been cheating around while she's devastated and hurt like I said before because she was the only person that agree to monogamy.
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@Cherrylicious some men and women behave the same way
I agree but I think it's more so that a woman would be willing to share a high value man with other women than settle for a low value man
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+1 ycause women are naturally more dependend on support during the reproductive phase. men don't need support after they reproduced. pretty straight foreward.
00 Reply Many men still exists as per your description but time is changing for both men and women , men are becoming more loyal and many women are just looking for flings
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+1 yLots of men are monogamous, lots of women are cheating whores.
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+1 yIt may look like this on the surface, but I can understand that monogamy may be disadvantageous against the man's favor in dating and sex because of the higher demand of one (plus-the-other) with the men's side.
00 ReplyYou're certainly mistaken. There's no evidence to suggest men are more likely to cheat than women, or vice versa.
00 ReplyI'd say no, but I go to a club where couples come to fuck other couples/singles so... I live in a different world than most I'd say.
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+1 yI don’t think monogamy is a gender specific trait because selfishness isn’t either.
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@Raven_76 while I’m sure from your limited experience you believe that, I’d like you to know that actually, you are mistaken. It’s a pretty equal divide.
I don't think so. So many girls are cold and heartless it's so sad. There's very few good girls out there.
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+1 yIt sounds like it most of the time, but not always. I only want one girl in my love life, spending my entire life with her.
20 Reply Society is losing its morale through music and movie brainwashing. The kind of values you seek are found in most men of religion. Your average guy off the street might beg to differ though.
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+1 y@DJZest is correct. Your feelings on the matter do not matter, not when the divorce rate is what it is.
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+1 yConsidering the human genome has more female ancestors than male ancestors I would say it would be the opposite.
20 ReplyThat was when there was no thots and hook ups
Now most people fool around like rabbits10 Reply1.4K opinions shared on Relationships topic. Yes because to a woman the relationship revolves around her and only her
10 ReplyI was married to one woman for 26 years before she passed away I live alone now till I find a great woman
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