All the dependent woman and men I know are divorced as well as the men and woman who always obeyed their partners and never disagreed. The ones with loyal partners would fight verbally when they had a disagreement with their partner and were not afraid to have a different view.
There is big difference with disagreeing out of emotion or worse wanting to cause drama vs. disagreeing because something doesn’t make rational sense to you.
I actually like it when people rationally disagree with me occasionally. It forces me to think harder about my own position. If I am right I feel more resolved. But if I am wrong then I don’t let ego get in the way of me adjusting my viewpoint. I’m now better informed.
@jennifer_bloom I prefer women who aren't insecure and inauthentic. It has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing. I hate relationships that feel good because of the push and pull method. That's not love to me.
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In a relationship, I'm very much in charge, except for things I've delegated to her because they're more to her strengths. But that doesn't mean that she can't have opinions, or that she can't express them. It doesn't mean that she isn't able to change my mind, or that I won't listen to her arguments and consider her points. I don't know everything, I'm not the best at everything, and I can't see every possible perspective on my own. I value her input, even if I disagree with it. I'm definitely not too proud to say "hmm... I hadn't thought of it that way" or "I wasn't aware of that", so sometimes I decide that she is right, and we do it her way.
But, in the end, it's ME making the final decision - and ME taking the responsibility for the decision and its outcomes. If it goes wrong, I don't blame her even if I followed her idea, because in the end, I made the decision.
Just because I'm a Dominant and just because I take charge and lead doesn't mean that I'm a dictator or slave master who just does whatever I want. I'm fully aware that with great power comes great responsibility, and I'm prepared (and have to be prepared) to take responsibility for my actions and decisions.
I think too many people don't grasp this whole dynamic - there are men who think that being "in charge" means they are dictators, and women who think that being submissive in their relationship means that they're not allowed to have (or share, or discuss) their opinions, but both of those are WRONG - UNLESS it's a time-sensitive emergency, which is the rare exception.
The Feminist movement was taken over by Marxists in the 1960s, who used the cloak of Feminism to push Marxist ideology but also to push policies that they knew would destroy western society. The nuclear family was recognized by Marxist leaders as a pillar of strength of western societies and western economies, so they set about to subvert those strengths and turn them into weaknesses - and they have. Society USED to teach both men and women their proper roles - which INCLUDED their duties and responsibilities to each other and to the families that they created. Feminism ended that, because their (Marxist) goal was to completely destroy marriage and male/female relationships in the west entirely.
Sadly for us, we let that happen. While some pockets of healthy relationships remain, huge swaths of the population have been taught false, toxic information about relationships, and you can see the results of that every day. A few leaders have emerged to try to fight back against this - Jordan Peterson for example - and some others have taken on smaller pieces of the puzzle but still with the same overall goal. Relationships CAN be done right, but it requires that people understand that relationships come with not just benefits, but also duties and responsibilities, and they REQUIRE communication and compromise.
But when half the country can't even tell you what a woman is, well, you know we have deep, DEEP troubles in society.
I'd agree with you that a little conflict is good. Both parties involved need to be able to stand up for themselves or else shit's going to get crazy in the long run. We all have boundaries... and if we fail to set them and maintain them, it's just going to get bad.
That extreme opposite though will even make your own friends be like WTF?
Some women claim to be sassy. And some in actuality are just a b**** 🤣.
Of course I respect a woman who has her own mind and has the sand to stand on her own 2 feet in this tough ol' world. The best women do. But just being independent doesn't make you a good person.
The best woman I ever knew challenged me constantly. But she also had the biggest heart you ever saw.
I would prefer the authenticity of a woman who is comfortable disagreeing with me, but the problem is that "independent" often comes with a bunch of needless strife and hostility. I don't need ANYONE in my life to that causes me strife. If you don't bring me peace; you gotta go, and that's just how it's has got to be.
Absolutely, and whether it be desired of the woman to stand up for herself in truth or not even, at the end of the day, love will prevail and make so the merrier. The GOAL is the same as with all things in life:
1. Hurt no one with your words and
2. Allow none from any to hurt you.
Having a civil difference of opinion is different than having a multi-month tantrum about it until she gets her way.
I like people who can disagree in a civilized manner
Good thing about independent is to get along with one another I love women they are sweetful and loving
I like my women independent one that does not rely on me or expects me to do figure everything out. I also like my woman strong enough to tell me when I’m wrong or need to correct me.
I like anyone who is willing to tell me I am wrong, as long as she can back it up.
Sure, a doormat would be boring. A woman should keep me on my toes.
Absolutely!! I wouldn't want a " zombie" for a SO
Were humans - we NEED a load to bear. Without a force to butt up against, no one's soul can be a peace.
I know she ain’t a doll so I expect resistance when I switch the Tv from her telenovela
I prefer a woman who is confident and intelligent.. Not one who claims to be independent, but one who actually is independent,, and doesn't need to brag about it.. Like my wife.
No it’s unattractive
communication is important but the problem is women often want to win the argument and men want to solve the actual problem
I definitely like people who got their own opinions and don't just agree with everyone else.
when everything in life is a struggle a quarlsome woman is the last thing i need. strike that, its not even on the list.
Absolutely yes, I do.
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