
*****The Bible states God made Jesus in His own Form to Be Born from his Virgin Mother Mary, To Spread the Word of God, Hs Father and to Die for Our Sins. Any thoughts? Please, No Rude Remarks. xxoo
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*****The Bible states God made Jesus in His own Form to Be Born from his Virgin Mother Mary, To Spread the Word of God, Hs Father and to Die for Our Sins. Any thoughts? Please, No Rude Remarks. xxoo
John 10:30-38
New International Version
30 I and the Father are one.”
31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”
33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’[a]? 35 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? 37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father.38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”
That is the split called unitarian.
The official athanasian creed from year 300 described: in picture

For centuries trinity "was one god", in contrast to false accusation by muslim that it was polytheism.
Simply:
"God and Jesus are One ENTITY (NOT Man) SAME godly substance, but jesus was also human body, physical flesh added. Like a container holding the "fullness of god" .
others here already accurately quoted john 10,30.
Also true "God and Jesus are Two Different Men" persons, because jesus added body so differs, but same divine godly essence spirit, and spiritual "ingredients " that APPEAR as different people in 3 forms.
The 3 "parts" are not literally parts as we say About "a car was assembled one car from many parts" but 3 appearances as has always been specified for 17 centuries! Matching gospel john. The same one... which when jesus said it, it caused those jews to explode in anger but they didn't stone him to death.
So those who say "different, " here, it does differ due to an added body but
but others who say "same" here also true because both are same.
So the various answers here are not arguing !
not presenting "different sects" just different descriptions of the same idea.
I believe in the Trinity which is God, Son of God, and the Holy Spirit. So with that being said they are two different entities.
You're welcome!
To @Simslover92 not according to "official athanasian creed"
Since year 300, it
described "one god in trinity and trinity in unity"! So not more than one.
@strateguy632 oh ok. It's just what I learned at my church.
You can remind the teacher there, who learned this creed, just to remind them.
Ok I no longer go there but I learned something new! Thanks!
They are two parts of the Trinity. The third part is the Holy Spirit.
Yes. Two different parts of the Trinity.
So god was like: I wonder what being a mortal is like. So he split off as Jesus until he died and God got his answer.
@TheStaleMarshmellow Um... Okay then. xx
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It's one Coin 2 Faces..
Jesus had an Army of 72,000 Angels of heaven Ready at his Command to protect him Against The army that was coming to Crucifix Jesus!.. But He chose to die! To Prove that Death isn't the End.
Jesus is called "Son of God"..
Sanatan Dharma or "Hinduism", The oldest Religion has a Concept of Avatar or called as "Physical Form of God".
"Everytime The planet Goes into Chaos, God Takes Avatar, to Reform Society. It's basically a Human Form of God that Ushers human into a New Age of "Dharma" - "Ethical Morality bound Duties to prosperous life".
In India we consider multiple Forms that we have tracked in which God Takes Avatar. Shree Ram, Krishna, Vaaman, Narshimha etc.
If Jesus's Life follows the Same Pattern, Historical records say he travelled from His Birthplace to India, to Japan and Returned back. He could have been Influenced by the culture of India.
In fact Historical Records Don't Indicated anyone with Name Jesus.. However One of the Great Kings of North India Did Met JESUS. But at that Time He went by the Name "Ishu Messiha". That's what the records say.
Jesus Did Try to Preach Christianity here, because at that Time across the INDUS River People Already Lives a "Dharmic life" it wasn't necessary.
However, People on other side of Indus River Refered to as "Mellicha" at that Time, needed this knowledge and Wisdom..
Everytime God Takes an Avatar, He chooses to be Born as normal human and than Learns and than preaches and Sets an Example of "Being a moral Human" .
Basically all the Conditions that Required to "Consider Jesus a form of God" are Met.
If you ask me, I would call him God. Even though I am not Christian, I am Born and Raised Hindu!..
Beware of "the bible states" having meaning since it was a book written by committee since the gospel"s all contradict each other and none of them were written by anyone who was alive at the same time as Mr. Jesus. This not in anyway rude and I'm not saying anything that's new.
Well that's difficult. I believe god is a fairytale though I believe in the divinity of the universe. Jesus was a reasonably spiritually aware human who walked around in a time and area where mystery cults like the one he was peddling were a dime a dozen. I believe the Greeks who translated his bio. did no one any favors by choosing to call his Mom a "virgin" when the Aramaic used also had the definition of "young woman" as a definition of equal weight. I think that the resurrection nonsense did , more harm than good. I did appreciate his affinity for hanging out with whores. The person that really screwed the pooch on the deal was Iraneus. If he wasn't so afraid of Thomas the Gnostics approach of accessing the divine w/o the intermediaries of priest cardinal bishop pope etc. This took the message of Jesus and stood it on it's
head. Instead of finding the kingdom of god within. Iraneus said to only find it through church employees. Paul and his ass problem didn't do any favors. He took the Jewishness essential to understanding Jesus. out of the story and ignored what the disciples were actually doing in Jerusalem and suburbs. So if you believe in the church the matter was decided by the Nicene creed and not through opinions on GaG
The question is fundamentally wrong, theologically speaking. Our Lord Jesus Christ simply is God Almighty, and they are not "men" in the most literal sense of this word. I guess Our Lord Jesus Christ is a man from our human perspective, but it's hardly relevant in the bigger picture. What You might want to know is whether God the Father and Our Lord Jesus Christ are the same Person, and here the answer would be negative. They are both God Almighty in nature, but They are two different Persons. That's quite complicated, if You want to know more, let me know. But I have to warn You I'm not capable of explaining it perfectly myself. The Holy Trinity is quite a complex concept.
The nature of the Holy Trinity - Father, Son, and Holy Ghost - has eluded theologians for millennia. I don’t think we are capable of understanding, so i have given up trying to understand.
The opposite! Not "eluded" it has been clearly defined since year 300!
www.christianity.com/.../...ld-we-remember-it.html
Jesus prayed to the Father.
Jesus said if you've seen me you have seen the Father.
Jesus spoke of the Trinity. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
Jesus is the Son of God.
If before the throne in heaven you would see Jesus sitting at the right hand of the Father.
Jesus is not the son of God. Like all other people, he is also the servant of God. Also, Jesus never brought a new religion. The purpose of his being sent as a prophet was to complete Judaism. The person who really brought out the Christian religion was Paul. The only true thing is that Jesus' mother was the virgin Mary. It is not possible for a virgin woman to have a child under normal conditions, but if God wants, everything can happen. Please stop saying Jesus is the son of God.
they are not men, they are Is. Jesus is full representation in the flesh, or most of what was exposed.
In essence, Jesus was in synch with God. something like that.
no problem. there are too many scriptures about this I didn't feel like posted them all.
Read John 1.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word [Logos] WAS God.
Jesus was the Word in Human form. Spoken into existence by the Holy Spirit through the Prophets. Fully human and simultaneously fully God, and in human form guided by the Holy Spirit.
But which word? How many letters?
That section was not equating "word became flesh = word = god" like pattern a = b , b = c therefore a = c! Because then which word?
But the word WAS god, that was the word 3 letter word.
If you understand the original languages you would realise that the Word refers to literally everything spoken and recorded by the Old Testament prophets starting with Adam and through to John the Baptist.
But I get the feeling your comment was intentionally ignorant rather than intellectually honest since the Bible was written in three languages by over 40 writers living on three different continents who probably never heard of each other and yet it cross references itself 63,779 times and forms a cohesive whole.
The bible says no such thing. The gospel of Barnabus tells us that Jesus was just another prophet and nothing special.
Jesus himself tells us that God is a separate and great entity.
Yeshua is G0d's Son (John 3:16)
Yeshua is G0d in human flesh (1 Timothy 3:16)
I'll go with that.
Paris, I believe that...
Jesus is/was an individual who's not identical with God.
But he is/was a manifestation of God... and fully authorized to speak in his stead.
I believe in that the trinity is the only way it makes sense. As Jesus spoke directly to his Father, the Holey Ghost descended in Jesus's presence this tells us that these are separate beings.
But that would be "three" not one "trinity". It appeared 3 different ways, persons but same one.
@strateguy632 I'm not Christian, I have just studied many religious texts. My understanding is that trinitarians believe that they are three separate entities, while unitarians believe that they are one. I may be wrong though as this is not part of my field of study. I was raised in a religion that believes they are separate beings with one higher purpose. I may have a misunderstanding of this point of theology though. And if I am wrong, thank you for correcting me.
I was raised to believe in the Trinity, three in one. I still struggle with that. If they are one, how can one be the Father and also the Son?
Well, Jesus is the man.. The God-Man.. He is God, so they are the same.. God is not a man though, but a being composed of 3 persons..
Of course Paris.. He was but he was God first.. God that became Humam flesh..
I guess you don’t know too much so let me clue you in. The father son and Holy Spirit are one. Just like an apple there are three parts. The skin, the meat and the seed. Do you understand?
The Father and Jesus are two of the three persons who are the one God. As finite humans we can apprehend, but never fully comprehend, God.
This might help you...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgKI5pu9s7Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UilDC_oDDQI'm an atheist so I really have no opinion, but I appreciate you for thinking of me and inviting to answer your post anyway. 💖
He's what the Council of Nicea and countless papal bulls say he is for Catholics anyway. Doesn't help does it?
I'm not Catholic anymore either. 8 years of Catholic school and it was DIRECT cause n effect for me!
The way I understand it Jesus is the Son of God.
If you're Christian... look into the Holy Trinity. It's a mind fuck and I still don't fully grasp it. Jesus is God.
A hard to find book by c. s. lewis author of Narnia, described it " one god appeared in 3 appearances. " matching athanasian creed.
The trinity. Jesus was born in human form but is part of God and the Holy Spirit.
Amen that's true , Jesus also said in the holy Bible - I & my father are one
jesus = great prophet and a great man
God = only one
I don't subscribe to any of that rigamarole
They are different there is god Jesus and the Holy spirit
Two different people Jesus's was God's son
Well said
Jesus is God and He is son of man.
Whatever floats your boat. They aren't real.
They are the same
God is not a man... nor a Son of Man. (Numbers 23:19)
Two parts of the Triune.
God is not a man, only his son, Jesus Christ is, the trinity is a fallacy and a lie, in my belief,,,
I believe God and Jesus are trying to screw me every which way possible since the day I was born.
Two I thought
The trinity is one man for all.
Jesus never did die on cross denounced name and religion.. a lot of churches ended up being burnt down not sacred
Both.
You are welcome!
They are imaginary
Neither.
Nope.
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