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The majority of mass killings in this country are performed not by Muslims but by white radical conservatives. By Cruz's logic we should be patrolling all red states. Obviously he would not agree. All of this is because it's based entirely on racism and deliberate attempts to bait people who are not Christians. Let's stop pretending that there are any other reasons behind such comments.
The majority of terrorist attacks carried out GLOBALLY are ISLAMIC.
@WombRaider And virtually all of their victims are Islamic. Which is to say that terrorism is primarily a local phenomenon. You and I are far more likely to die at the hands of Christians than Muslims. There are no statistics that support the idea that the Muslim community in the US is more dangerous or violent than the country as a whole. The anit-Muslim prejudice spread by the right-wing media is based on lies for political gain on behalf of the hate-mongers.
If Muslims don't want to be policed they need to police themselves. I see peaceful Muslims complaining about being targeted but not speaking out against extremism. It's their community they should be reporting extremists and shutting them down. Maybe they are already doing this but I'm not seeing it.
Awe the media... of course they never really report on peaceful Muslims, or Muslim groups trying to prevent things like this from happening. I think on yesterday's news there was like a 2 minute clip of a guy who represented a peaceful Muslim group buried under of course hours upon hours of bombing footage, so of course, what do most people take away... the terrorist story. However, let me ask you this: when is the last time you actively and routinely reported on people of your race or religion who have committed crimes? We all have a community no matter who we are, but you, nor I, are responsible or liable for the actions of every single individual in it (and if you ask the Muslim community, they often do not consider the extremist/terrorist to be a part of the people who represent their group anyway). If a person is a law abiding citizen, not involved in terrorism, how can they report even what they do not know?
No way. The same thing has been said since 2001. I lived in Dearborn MI for the first 23 years of my life, which I believe has the highest amount of muslims per capita of any city in the US and not once did I ever feel threatened because of it. People who intrinsically feel threatened by them are paranoid.
I agree with your last paragraph. Also, police are the real terrorists... increasing surveillance etc. just gives them more excuses to abuse people with less evidence.
It makes sense for them to monitor known terrorist suspects if they have their location. If it happens to be a Muslim neighborhood, then so be it. But it has to be legitimate suspects. Not just random Muslims.
Part of the reason we've caught any terrorists is because local community Muslims who care about people being murdered turned them in. That's the key to us stopping terror plots. Snitches. We need more of that in our communities.
Some Muslims agree with what the terrorists are doing, but a lot of them are scared of what will happen to them if they do come forward.
Beyond whether it's reasonable (it's not) it would be a huge waste of resources to try to monitor that many people. Need to focus in.
Belgium's security forces are stretched too thin to monitor every known returned jihadi fighter who fought with ISIS.
Every muslim in america? Uh, no.
Every returned ISIS fighter? Lets' see if we can maybe get the resources to cover that group.
Well, that would be stupid, now, wouldn't it.
... Since people could simply plot their terrorist activities from some other neighborhood.
Hi have a lot of Muslim friends and people from the Middle East. Obviously I'm only a senior in HS so chances are they won't be terrorists, but I still don't think all Muslims should be held accountable for what the extremists so.
This might come across wrong, but I don't care about Muslims, as a threat Im not worried about them. The U. S. and the N. S. A. are smart enough to monitor anything and everything they want, I don't think sending more Police Officers will solve the problem.
Increasing police presence in muslim neighborhoods is useless. ISIS isn't robbing people, and burglarizing stores, stealing cars, and having shootouts at clubs because Omar saw Mohammed wit yo girl. They have well-planned coordinated attacks that are not in their neighborhoods. Its going to make much more than an increased police presence to prevent those attacks.
Not only would that be a very radical policy for a country like the USA but it wouldn't help anything. If someone's plotting an attack, they will be doing it in their homes most likely. They aren't going to do it on the street. How exactly would patrolling the neighborhoods stop terrorism? It wouldn't. All you'd be doing is giving another excuse.
What makes you think they haven't been monitoring us to begin with? Of course the government spies on both citizens and immigrants. Why do you think Edward Snowden is in exile? Every country on this planet conducts espionage, and they will continue to do so even if whistle blowers come forward.
They could always just choose to no longer be Muslim.
But they don't.
I think to make it seem less prejudice, we need to increase monitoring in all communities.
There should also be zero tolerance on hate preachers (i. e Choudary in the UK) and those who get involved in one shape or another with anything jihadist/islamist. In other words they should be deported ASAP if they're found guilty.
Hell yeah they should. The FBI used to monitor Italian neighborhoods during the era of the mafia. Why not monitor Muslim neighborhoods? If the Muslims are good people, they shouldn't mind being surveillance to catch the bad ones. They should care about security as much as everyone else.
Why,
This is why
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles
The British did just that in the Troubles/
Fuck that
Only it was catholics then
@Waffles731 honestly, if it helps keep us safe. I don't see why someone would be opposed to it.
Because its not right.
Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither
@Waffles731 It's not like they're busting into homes without just cause. Having people watching the area and drones in the sky isn't infringing on anyone's rights.
Fucking hell it isn't.
In northern Ireland they set up checkpoints at catholic neighborhoods and you know what happened amd considering I'm baptized catholic, I do not want anything similar to happen to anyone here
Whats next, Ted Cruz ordering soldiers to fire on a group of unarmed peaceful protesters that include teenagers and a priest
@Waffles731 that's overly extreme. I'm talking about surveillance that isn't intrusive. A few drones and agents that blend in isn't an issue.
Yes it is, We have more problems with christian terrorists in this country than muslim terrorists.
Christian terrorists kill more people in the U. S each year than muslim ones with on big exception in 2001.
@Waffles731 how? There aren't checkpoints set up in Dearborn, MI. Having drones fly over and tip lines set up is just good security. Nobody's rights are violated then.
How, well gee, considering Christian terrorists continue to do things like blow up abortion clinics.
@Waffles731 I'm no terrorist, I've got nothing to hide. The Feds want to surveil my neighborhood, fine by me.
I don't want them surveilling mine,
My parents would flip,
They did not spend years in the air force to be survielled
@Waffles731 that's their problem. You'd think that a military family would be interested in national security.
No they aren't
They swore an oath to protect and defend THE CONSTITUTION.
That includes the Bill of rights.
If someone wants to sacrifice liberty for security then they really don't care about the principals of the U. S like Most of the GOP really
@Waffles731 surveillance can be conducted within the bounds of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Not really, things like that require a warrant
@Waffles731 Raiding homes and tapping phones require warrants. Keeping an eye on the general area for suspicious activity is legal.
They already monitor anyone who is from or has family in middle eastern countries where members of the family go missing/lose contact (possibly because they are being kidnapped or joining terrorist cells) or related to anyone who could have possible contacts with those in terrorist cells.
To monitor every muslim population is impossible. Too many. Besides terrorists are not stupid. They are not going to use sleeper agents in incredibly obvious places.
Plenty of mass-shootingers (and I mean a lot of shooters...), organizations (KKK, Nazi's, ect) were christian. Why don't we police them with the same, if not worse principals? Oh, that's right - they have the same skin tone...
Why not? Muslims are now patrolling certain neighborhoods in London and trying to implement Sharia laws. As well as sexually harrass women and attacking the 60 Minutes crew.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcsG-u2GtZEThe only way to prevent Islamic terrorism is for there to be no Muslims in the society.
Rather than spy on them, round them all up and expel them.
Use the FEMA camps to house them until they can be deported.
That would be a terrible idea. There's that town in NJ, if I'm not mistaken, where there's a large majority of Muslims. If police were hounding that town it'd be a waste of money and a disgrace.
Eh, I wouldn't give a f*ck , let them lose their money on monitoring us lol I would have nothing to fear.
No, because the first line of the constitution clearly says congress shall make no law with respect to a religious institution. We cannot target a specific religious group. The only other option would be to monitor all religious neighborhoods.