Why I Voted for Trump and Why I am Happy that I Did so Far

[Anonymous]

When voting for the president this cycle i considered a number of things but it really boiled down to two things. Whether or not that person could actually win and a handful of issues that i felt could be dealt with in the first term of a presidency. Ultimately, though i was not happy with either candidate i voted for Trump and so far, i generally like what I am seeing and here are the reasons why:

1) The Keystone and Dakota pipelines -

A sure way to help sustain energy independence I see this as way to help eliminate dependence on Foreign actors like Saudi Arabia, Iran, and yes even Russia and China who can drametically affect the energy market through demand and geo political interests. Im not a climate change denier, i very much believe climate change is real but I see a true risk of geo political forces that can and will put the US in a position where we can not affect future policy if given the chance. We need to consolidate our growth and financial position in the immediate future and this is something we cannot do with Europe like growth and skyrocketing debt, a result of Obamanomics, and an accidental approach to management of the economy.

2) The Supreme Court -

The Obama administration embraced the Consitution as a living document, a document whose purpose changes with time...conveniently ignoring the fact that our forefathers implemented a method of change, the amendment process. Much easier to install a Judiciary that is willing to legislate through broad and ever changing interpretation. One conservative originalist judge will offset the trend favored by Obama. This looks like a sure win. Better yet, two are in the offing and with such a young court a second will likely secure the SCOTUS to be conservative for decades to come.

3) Lower court and executive appoinments across the board-

For this, we have to thank Harry Reid. In a moment of an extreme lack of judgment Mr Harry Reid moved forward with the nuclear option in the Obama administration and the Dems moved forward with an unprecedented number of unchecked appointments across both legislative and executive appointments. It's time to undo some of that damage.

4) The re-assertion of border control and legal immigration -

Not much need be said...a country that asserts it's own law should not be followed cannot reasonably claim that it has an effective immigration policy or manage it's own budget.

5) Voter ID -

Not yet accomplished but in the headlights of the Trump administration, and Voter ID is likely to be accomplished in the next two years. Keep your head down President Trump and get this one done.

6) Meaningful tax reform and deregulation -

Time for an overhaul folks. Obama and Bush had free reign and implemented regulations like they were equivalent to gold raining from the skies. Time to go undo all the nonsense and get to a tax policy that will enable the economy to strengthen to late Clinton early Bush levels, not some anemic let's be like Europe nonsense.

I could continue on with all of the "gravy" Trump has given me to be glad about....the ban on funding international abortions, the federal hiring freeze, the agreement to halt lobbying on behalf of foreign governments by former executive branch employees, the undoing of the HUD's reduction in housing loan fees....and more to come. But the above things are the reasons why i voted for Trump even if i dont like the man himself.

[LoloWaye]

Meh. I don't support him simply because of the way he talks about people. That may seem childish but it's against my beliefs and I'm not interested in being a hypocrite. However I hope he does a decent job. Hopefully getting the Flint water crisis figured out before he even thinks about building a wall.

[myTake Owner]

Thats the best argument against Trump so far.

[LoloWaye]

Tbh I hate everything about politics. This past election has definitely brought out the worst in people. I read some of the comments asking why you went anon but I understand. People are nasty.

[myTake Owner]

I dont like the guy..., but i kinda felt like i had to choose which pile of shit i was going to eat from.

[LoloWaye]

I voted third party. I refused to give either one my vote.

[Red_Arrow]

1) The Keystone pipeline is owned by Canada. Why are we running g THEIR pipeline through America?
"NASA climate scientist James Hansen stated in 2013 that "moving to tar sands, one of the dirtiest, most carbon-intensive fuels on the planet" is a step in exactly the wrong direction, "indicating either that governments don't understand the situation or that they just don't give a damn"." Since it involves science and environment, Trump doesn't understand AND just doesn't give a damn.

2. The Constitution was written at a time where the state's government voted for federal officials, not the people. And the people referenced were white men. Forget women, minorities, etc. We have grown to believe "All men are created equal" includes Blacks, Hispanics, etc., and women. You want us to go back?

3. The right has complained for years about governing by executive order. Trump has broken records on that already.

4. I am skipping this because there are good and bad points, and too much extreme feelings right now to discuss.

5. Voter ID implementation has proven to be aimed at preventing all but the rich from having a good shot at voting. The number of laws shot down by the courts prove that.

6. Too much harm was being done to Americans by Big Money Interests. Regulations were put in place to protect us in matters from drinking safe water to not having our earnings being ripped off to supplement the rich. Trump is already putting what we eat and drink at risk, and aiming to change the rules to allow the rich to get richer at the expense of the middle and lower classes.

As for halting lobbying fro foreign governments by former executive branch employees, now it is being done by CURRENT executive branch employees.

[myTake Owner]

THere isn't much that is well thought out here.

First, the keystone pipeline does nothing to change consumption or capture of oil from tar sands

second, We have congress for making law as well as an amendment process, the judicial branch is made to enforce law, not make law. Its the concept on which our government is built, separation of powers.

Third, it was the Dems who acted to remove the filibuster at a super majority threshold on a vote of a minority. It never should have been done, now it is time to balance the tbles after which the Republicans should move with the Dems to reset the rule so it can't be undone

Fourth...

Fifth, that is not what has been proven at all. It has simply been ruled in different cases that the burden of implementing a voter ID law outweighs the benefits of managing the risk. Time change and there are precedents set throughout the world of Voter ID as beneficial and effective. Brazil, voting is compulsory and state issued ID is required.

[myTake Owner]

And last, tax reform and deregulation must be done correctly. Regulation adds cost to everything you do around you. Done correctly, all boats rise on the tide. Its ridiculous to assume that only the poor should benefit.

[Red_Arrow]

The Keystone Pipeline being discussed is the Keystone XL, an extension which will transport 830,000 barrels of Alberta tar sands oil per day to refineries o the Gulf Coast. Tar sands are a sticky, sludgy deposit considered the planet's dirtiest fossil fuel.

While Congress makes law, the Judiciary still interprets it.

I still point out that the current "so-called" president is running the country by Executive Orders at a rate far higher than what the Republicans complained about with Obama.

Yes, it has been proven, time after time as those laws are found unconstitutional. By the way, there are states with mail in voting in general, plus states with mail in absentee voting. No ID needed. Signature is checked. Works fine.

Regulations add cost. So do laws. Shall we just get rid of all laws? You are suggesting getting rid of the regulations which will benefit the rich at the expense of society in general. Purity of water. What is added to foods. Safety of cars. Air to breathe.

[ladsin]

1.) I believe in global warming, I just believe the true threat... Global warming will eradicate all life on this planet (with the exception of some thermofiles as far as I know) that seems like a pretty big threat.
2.) we don't need guys today making rules because some guys already told us what to do a few hundred years ago! I need to know what you're upset about the Supreme Court passing to go on further.
3.) meh not gonna touch on
4.) yeah, let's waste 20 billion on a wall that will be largely ineffective and pass the buck onto consumers when our president seeks to impose tariffs on imported goods from our third largest trading partner.
5.) if you really think, as trump says, that there were millions of people voting illegally... You're beyon... No, I won't say that. I will tell you to look into the research that shows that notion is ridiculous.
6.) yeah yeah yeah. I know. The top need more tax breaks because trickle down. I'm sure they won't just hoard more of the wealth. They're completely satisfied with making only 300x what the average worker makes. Oh wait, you mean they make 500x? Yeah that's what I meant they won't go above that because they're moral and will help us little guys out.

[Rissyanne]

Tell me... what does it hurt to have everyone have a voter ID? I dont understand what the big deal is.

[ladsin]

@Rissyanne one example would be Texas, where there are no driver's license offices in almost a third of the state.. Leading to some 15 of Hispanic Texans (in particular) to have no DL at all. It's hard for working class people to be able to take off a day to go to the DMV when you're living paycheck to paycheck. Having worked in the landscaping business everyone I know needs to work an extra day a week just to make ends meet.

[Rissyanne]

So how do they cash their paycheck?

[Rissyanne]

They have to have some kind of ID unless their getting paid in cash. If that is so... they aren't paying taxes. Having an ID should be mandatory to vote. You need one to buy liquor... to cash a check... to pick up a prescription. There is no excuse

[ladsin]

@Rissyanne all of my friends just cash their checks at liquor stores or some other such place. I'm not sure of the requirements

[Rissyanne]

That's just total bull shit. There is no excuse not to have an ID. Sorry that's just a cop out. I am all for mandatory voter ID. The state I live in requires it.

[myTake Owner]

All nonsense... Brazil, voting is compulsory and all voters must present a valid form of identification. Think about that... Brazil can do it. Brazil can have compulsory voting and require voters identify themselves with state issued ID's and Texas cannot? Doesn't say much about Texas.

[Rissyanne]

Good one Take owner.

[ladsin]

Cool. It doesn't make sense to you therefor there should be a law about it. Glad I understand how the process works now. Any other things we should outlaw?

[myTake Owner]

lulz, that the best you could do... faced with fact you hide behind nonsense and pretend it means something. Nice try child.

[ladsin]

No. If you want that to be a possibility then help. Unlike Texas which struck down providing compensation for persons who had to travel outside their district to get an ID, or how they struck down a bill which would have had the DMV stay open for 2 hours more twice a week, giving the working class people a chance to get there after work.

[myTake Owner]

Have you ever seen Brazil? Really..., like i get your point that its kind of inconvenient, but so is getting a drivers license. There are ways to work through that. Voter ID laws manage risk of fraudulent votes. Just last month a study found that in 8 counties in Alabama over 1000 votes were found to be fraudulent. Im not saying these votes were against Trump, they could as well have been against Hillary. Protecting the integrity of our voting system is important.

[ladsin]

Show the study, and comparing America to Brazil is like comparing apples and oranges

[myTake Owner]

a small selection of proven voter fraud

www.nationalreview.com/.../voter-id-laws-voter-fraud-american-election-integrity-stake

and you are right comparing brazil and Texas is like comparing apples and oranges, In Brazil the infrastructure is far less developed. Brazil is far more far flung than Texas, the number of people below the poverty line is far greater while the GDP is far less. It would be much easier to manage in Texas than Brazil.

I do not wish to prove to you that it is worth it. I am merely explaining my reasoning for supporting it. It is coming to America just like it has come to many many other countries and for the same reasons. It is happening whether you like it or not.

[Rissyanne]

I know liberals are against voter ID. That way they can bring in all the illegals to vote for them. That is very clear.

[myTake Owner]

@Rissyanne Of course they are. Interesting tidbits. In two years there is another cycle of elections for congress. 34 seats held by democrats are up for election, while only twelve seats are up for Republicans. 78, 80, 83... after Harry Reid has done us the favor to make it possible to bust a filibuster with a mere majority Gorsuch will be appointed to the supreme court. Then we are looking at 3 justices, aged 78, 80 and 83 and the possibility of a 7-2 Conservative court. The screaming and whining has only just begun. After 8 years of watching Obama sneer and levy his own version of supremacy we will watch and enjoy at least 2 years of a conservative revolution carried by the divine winds of law. While women with purple hair wearing vaginas destroy atm's and demand free contraception America will be retaken with the help of the law created by people before us. When i wake up each morning, i'll be just a touch happier knowing that our Federation is alive and well.

[ladsin]

😂😂😂 your mad at Obama and his version of supremacy but you're fine with a president who acts like he's a dictator? Issuing 20 orders in a week, telling the senate to change longstanding rules so that they can push through legislation he wants, your happy about him getting to fill the Supreme Court with almost only people that he wants (when we've seen he can't appoint hardly anyone that would be qualified for an office.)

[Rissyanne]

Obama signed plenty of executive orders. Really what did Obama do? Tripled our debt... Obamacare is a disaster. I could go on and on. It will take Trump at least 4 years to clean up the mess Obama did. Now we just found out Obama gave away 9 billion of our tax dollars.

[myTake Owner]

Those are the powers granted to the Executive office my friend. Its not new to Trump. Obama himself used EO's to great effect. I didn't like the way he used them, but hey that's what i get for voting for him on his first term. Im aso generally pleased with his appointees so far. Strategically speaking Trump is a brilliant guy. he rn the Republican field into the groun, writing a new playbok for how to run a campaign and then turned around and did the same thing in the primary against an opponent that was given a better than 90% chance of winning by nearly every news pundit and poll. I expect us to act as a nation of law and anything he does will be checked by the courts so im not concerned about his EO's, that i exactly why he is there to run the executive branch and it's silly to pretend he shouldn't.

[myTake Owner]

Ohh and by the way. here's a bitter pill to swallow for you. Trump has actually signed fewer EO's in his first two weeks in office than Obama did. Obama signed 9, Trump signed 8. So I'd venture to say that Trump is a moderating stance against what Obama established.

[Red_Arrow]

Trump has signed eight Executive Orders and 12 Memorandums so far. Twenty total. Obama signed 19.
Both orders and memoranda take immediate effect, the only difference is that a memorandum should be published in the Federal Register to have "general applicability and legal effect". Neither need approval by Congress."

So take your bitter pill back and swallow it yourself.

[Rissyanne]

Trump is going to be a far better president then Obama ever was. But it will take him a while to clean up Obama's mess. So far... I agree with everything Trump has done.

[myTake Owner]

@Red_Arrow Lol, cute, you've only proven my point. The argument was that Trump was behaving like a dictator based on a total of 20 EO's or memoranda... turns out Obama signed 19... so i guess the difference between a dictatorship and democracy is one memorandum. Having swallowed that pill, it strangely tastes a lot like fireweed honey... and i love fireweed honey haha.

[OrdinaryGentleman]

Alright, i am fine with a reasonable discussion about this.
1) Key stone XL, just transports oil meaning less jobs for truckers, and just pretty much tearing up land, we already have a steady supply of oil and the United States has some of the largest oil deposits.
2) I don't even know what to say to that, it's just jargon blaming Obama, even though he followed things by the book. Leading this country out of a massive economic disaster in 09'. A conservative party that upholds religious values and sticks to old world beliefs for SCOTUS is not a good idea.
3) I don't know enough about this to have an opinion, but the way it was explained made no sense.
4) Building a wall with billions of dollars of tax payer money for something that can be beaten by a 40$ extension ladder is ridiculous. The border should be more protected, true, but the immigration reform is a joke and making mexico pay for the wall is borderline retarded.
5) Voter ID, it is completely ridiculous that this is brought up since in the last conservative presidency when Bush took office, he did did an investigation into the very inner workings of our voting system. A total of 85 votes were tallied as fraudulent. That is.00004%.
6) no problem here, but so far there has been no push and we are not likely to see a change until 2018 on tax reform.

[Paris13]

I Stand by the Man who I have the Most Trust in, and this is Donald J. Trump.
Although Dems are Sore Losers and are Continuing to Show Bad Behavior, the More they Gripe, the Stronger we will Wipe... Crime out and More in Store.
Beautifully Done, hun. xx

[Cosytoasty]

"Whether or not that person could actually win", isn't this COMPLETELY missing the point of a democratic election? It's your country, not a popularity contest to pick the winning side.

But, your views on those issues are completely fair enough.

[myTake Owner]

It's strategic voting. It wsant that i thought he would win, it wsa just that i thought he could win. For instance, from my point of view, why waste a vote on Gary Johnson when there is no way he could win. There are reasons people might want to vote for him knowing he won't win, my statement doesn't make their vote any less valid, it's just a choice i am making about how i want to use my vote.

[Anonymous]

Ya built that pipeline. Fuck those natives that are worried their land will be poisoned. There is only 1 major pipeline leek a week in the us. That's almost safe. What do they want? We already routed it away from white communities for safety concerns. It's not like we contine to screw those people after 400 years of steeling their land, writing agreements only to ignore those very same legal agreements and screwing them more. They're not white so they have no place in trump' 'merica.
Fortunately the right wing media frames this as an economic issue rather than children being at risk of toxic poisoning. This way people like you can ignore the fact that business is deemed more important than American citizens themselves, particularly if they are not white, and we don't have to care that those with the weakest voice are completely ignored.
Build the pipeline baby. There are a handful of rich fucks that need to be a little richer; and a few more dead americans doesn't matter.

[myTake Owner]

Fuck the natives that worry their land will be poisoned? You mean the ones that left a $22Million dollar clean up job to the state government at their protest camp? Those natives? THey are hypocrites being paid to protest. All that land around their reservation that was willfully sold to the government...95% of that land was owned by tribal members and sold without protest at top dollar. Fuck you and them.

[Opinion Owner]

Your ignorance is astounding. You believe all the tripe people richer than you want you to believe.

The mark of a simple minded person.

[myTake Owner]

Last i checked ignorance is reserved for people that choose to ignore fact, not those that consider it with logic. I give fact, you give insults. You are not worth my time.

[Opinion Owner]

You presented no facts and said fuck you.

Now we can all see your full of shit.

[myTake Owner]

I guess you can't read. Good bye.

[godfatherfan]

So your saying your a complete moron lemming... got it.
1) with every republican't comes a recession. That is proven by history. With the coke head baby bush, we got the Great Recession which was worse then the great depression.
2) Republican'ts are out of touch with America. And now you have someone that even republican's can't stand. An egomaniac narcissist.
3) Democrat's are for the people. Republican'ts are only for rich and big business.
4) doesn't matter. anyone that even thinks of voting republican't is an idiot.

[ItIsComplicated]

As a libertarian, I'm just going to point out your comment did not do much to prove your own intelligence or articulation... Probably some 12y/o who decided to stick a 48 as his age. Sigh.

[steveguitar]

Trump is just about the worst thing happening in the world right now. And anybody who voted for him is an idiot. Anybody who votes on the right side of the political spectrum is against the positive progression of humanity, against environmental change, is blind or ignores climate change, wants humans to keep using oil instead of changing to better energy sources.

I could go on and on about how backwards conservatives are, and how regressive their ideals are. I cannot support ideas based on a system that wants to keep the world in an age of constant oil, gasoline, plastic, chemical use. Wants to destroy and be rid of free healthcare, may be getting ready to start other wars rather than use discussion. Wants to use competition rather than equality, and take money from wherever they can. Anyways it's almost 5am. I'm tired

[Anonymous]

US is a country full of immigrants. ;) Illegal immigrants. The true and first Americans knows that.
https://i.imgur.com/JjmFLVF.png

[myTake Owner]

hmmmmm, i wonder how the "native americans" got here? curious isn't it? And i wonder why they were often at war amongst themselves over territory and resources? Seems very strange.

[DiegoO]

Europeans were at war as well, is not like Europe was the land of friendship. All their wars they expand worldwide and before the natives discovered The Americas there was no human population so they can´t be called in no way inmigrants.

[myTake Owner]

@DiegoO And yet they were at war amongst themselves for territory nd resources. I guess that it's ok to battle as long as you don't use a boat? Or maybe war is only ok if it is among people with identically colored skin? The whole "native american" thing is a pointless ridiculous argument.

[DiegoO]

They didn´t invade a continent and started a genocide.

[myTake Owner]

@DiegoO So, your point is it's not ok to use a boat to transport troops for war? You seem confused...

And there were multiple instances of tribes wiping eachother out across history. It is simply naive to argue a point that is moot and a double standard as well.

[DiegoO]

You´re saying the masacre between native americans and the genocide caused by Europe are the exact samething, so... The genocide shouldn´t be seen as something more awful than the wars the natives made against their self? You´re delusional.

[myTake Owner]

@DiegoO so then we agree that the distinction of having to travel across water to wage a war for resources is no different than say traveling across land and now we are just talking about the degree of killing and death as the bar for what is right or wrong in war, correct?

[DiegoO]

We are talking about tribal wars and a genocide.

[myTake Owner]

@DiegoO Ok, so we agree in principle, war over territory and resources was typical of native americans and europeans both and now we are most concerned with whether the degree of killing was appropriate for a battle over resources

[Opinion Owner]

The Native Americans settled in America before the Europeans settled there and before the Europeans transported Africans into the country. Most of the people who lives in the United States are either immigrants or have a immigrant background, including Donald Trump who had several immigrant wives and immigrant family members. As country of the freedom it's a multi cultural nation and I thinks the best thing is to accept that. If every immigrants leaved America, only the natives would stay.

[myTake Owner]

OK, good, so we agree that immigration when legal is acceptable. After all, the natives immigrated

immigrate - to pass or come into a new habitat or place, as an organism...

(nothing said there about people already having to be somewhere before moving there is considered to be imigrating)

Now, since the "Native Americans" immigrated here, they came from somewhere else, which we both agree is fine by the way... but they didn't come over in one big group, they came over in small nomadic bands over a long period of time... ie the first group didn't have rights to the entire American continent, therefore continued immigration was generally acceptable.

So, when it comes right down to it, immigration was an accepted and legal means of locating and capturing new resources for groups of people that were willing to do so. Its no secret, the Native Americans did it, Europeans did it, Asians dd it. It's a fact of history and nothing unique about it.

[Pyrofox]

I believe the idea behind this is the "finders keepers." Idea.

[Opinion Owner]

@Pyrofox I thinks everybody can share this country and Natives, whites, blacks, Asians etc can live peacefully together. But I finds it weird when many Americans are against immigrates when they are immigrates themselves.

[Pyrofox]

I know I just don't understand the bias and silent abuse people do with our noticing. It's not that hard to give 2 cents of respect.

[baakkmn]

There's a big difference between legal and illegal immigrants.

[Opinion Owner]

@baakkmn Did the Europeans immigrate legal and did the Native Americans give them permission?

[myTake Owner]

Who are the Indians? Do you contest that Indians didn't war for resources and territory? Or do you propose that war is only acceptable when among same race? Or maybe you propose that War for resources is only ok when you dont have to travel by boat?

[DiegoO]

You can´t speak to a wall whitout going mad. She obviously stand up for everything Trump represents, if he had the power Nicolás Maduro or any other dictator has, she would be one those fanatics on the crowd screaming-Trump, Trump, Trump!!!, long live America, America for the people!!!- and all that crap populist sell really good.

[myTake Owner]

@DiegoO You can't speak to the facts so you resort to hyperbole and insults. I vote for policy not people. The reality is war was acceptable to Native American's so long as it suited any individual Tribe. Odd that this standard doesn't exist for Europeans, address that simple fact or stop your drivel.

[Anonymous]

as a non amrican, trump is the best thing that happened to the usa, a leader with balls which is a first in a western country, he doesn't want illegal immigration? well who does, he dislikes muslims? just look at how fked up their home countries and anywhere they go become... pipelines? well if you want indepency and to be a western developed country some changes have to be made, as for taxes... dude we pay at least 20% in taxes every month where i live and i dont much for it , you are having it much better so stop complaining.

you disagree with trump? its simple give up your American citizenship and move to another country, really it ain't that hard.

[Map4Territory]

I personally have different views on many of the things you cited, but it's nice to actually see a thoughtful pro-Trump position on this website. Nice job.

[spoonman2014]

Have you seen the mans cabinet picks? Our military and homeland security will be fine and everything else will go down the tubes. I think Gary Johnson or maybe... maybe Jill stien would have been better because they are not nearly as crazy, looney or corrupt as Hillary and Donald are. Sure Gary and Jill are looney in their own ways but Gary hands down would have made more sense, I think the powers that be knew that worked things in their favor and were not fair to him

[myTake Owner]

He's three weeks in, and honestly im no fan of Trump... so far, im getting what i expected out of him... but i didn't have really high expectations...

[Intraluminal]

Oddly, although I hate Trump, I agree with all of your reasons and agree that Trump will probably accomplish them.

The problem is that he will be doing a lot of other stuff that I completely disagree with. Destroying any chance of universal healthcare, making abortion a regional decision, putting truly horrible people in positions of power, etc. The good will be outweighed by the bad.

[Avalon2]

I'm a day one Trump supporter and he's doing a great job actually.

[badboy666]

I did not vote for Trump, but in general I am pleasantly surprised (mostly for the reasons you mention).

[Anonymous]

Sounds good, I personally will wait until he actually does or fails to live up to his promises. 8 Years of Obama has made me wary of presidential promises.

[DiegoO]

If you are so proud of Trump show your profile, what do you got to hide?

[myTake Owner]

You cannot deal with fact so you hide behind the drivel, I've already explained it here once. If you can read, please feel free to do so.

[XuR_CXV_115]

Irrelevant
Did you even read?

[jjesica346]

can't you think for ya self? How does one become/stay so oblivious to reality? Your leader doesn't even understand Science. Pass out the Crayolas... trump fan in need of note taking!

[myTake Owner]

That the best you can do, come out with insults?

I list facts and positions, ... you, you list insults... well done and excellent job of fitting into the stereotype.

[jjesica346]

You brag about a pipeline that will emit 20% more greenhouse gases over traditional drilling?

[myTake Owner]

First, your premise you make that I brag is false. I have stated a position, i have not gloated or bragged. Second, the pipeline doesn't emit more gases. The tar sand oil is already being extracted and processed, delivered by truck and train and i am aware that the extraction and refining of this oil is more intensive. But that doesn't change by putting a pipe in, it will still be extracted and consumed at a rate dependent on oil production levels set by OPEC. Rather, i would have North America control our own demand and fungibility/speed are key to striking energy independence from those that would rather have us embroiled in their webs because it suits them to have us dependent on them.

[jjesica346]

I couldnt even read the rest of the bs that you are spilln. Do y]ou understand how dirty that shit is? Probs not... trump girl

[jjesica346]

Yes it does emit a lot of greenhouse gases... research plzz-zz

[myTake Owner]

ohh for fuck sake, you have no idea what you are talking about nd pparently can't comprehend English... pipelines dont emit greenhouse gases any more than the hey on your key ring does... its the freaking oil.. doohhhhh, nd guess what the oil is getting used anyway... research plzzzzz or stfu

[jjesica346]

Whats in the pipe? You moron!!! Can you get anymore ignorant?

[jjesica346]

Plus that shit is filthy! Quit talking, as you only show how stupid you really are.

[myTake Owner]

you are really quite the hypocrite... you can't even grasp simple facts and the balance of energy use in geo politics... or you just choose to pretend you dont recognize it so you dont have to thik about the facts at hand. You come in swinging with nonsense and insults and still are unable to get beyond simple facts. You really need to deepen your understanding of the situation before you try to jump into a conversation, you just sound ridiculous, launching in with insults, ofcourse there will be a few like you that think you are doing some good, but really you are just a snooze fest and a good example why an idiot like Trump can win a presidential election.

[jjesica346]

Look simpleton, this pipeline will emit 20% more greenhouse gases (which was the basis of our *cough cough, debate*). Spit the d*** out of ya mouth and accept that you can not go against science. You are the typical mindless trump fan! You people are so uneducated!!!

[myTake Owner]

You are genuinely entertaining... up to a point. You don't seem to understand that the oil gets used regardless if it comes from a pipe or a train or a truck. You are full of air and not much thought and at the end of the day. You fit the stereotype so well, you are offended at the thought of someone voting for Trump, therefore you swing blindly with any insult you can muster. At the end of the day you will watch helplessly as Trump runs the table for the next two years. And then on the next voting for congressmen, Trump's margin in Congress will increase as well. I think its pretty entertaining that i can get under your skin so easily by repeating facts that many Jr High School students can understand. Im not a supporter of the position you subscribe to, but even i could make a better case with as much time as you've had to work on it. Watch over the next year as the Idiot that won the whitehouse presides, but oddly the brilliance of the Democrats couldnt outsmart him.

[jjesica346]

I didn't read most of what you said, but I did catch the beginning (you are a waste of time). Plain and yet so simple to comprehend, that pipeline emits a lot more greenhouse gases. If you want to think that you know more than scientists, by all means, continue on.

[myTake Owner]

I just pointed out your hypocrisy and your love of name calling.

[Dred1614returns]

I'm with you. Get ready for hate.

[myTake Owner]

Its hard to respond to reason with name calling and insults and still look like you understand what's going on. Therefore, there won't be a lot of hate here, though there will be some that just dont get it. I don't mean that i am right and cannot be wrong, i simply mean that a reasoned discussion takes effort and consideration. You can't do that when you are foaming at the mouth with anger.

[Pyrofox]

The key stone pipeline conflict is all cause the workers didn't do their own paperwork they are payed to do and just blindly gave the all clear.

[Pyrofox]

I mean you dont get much lazier than putting a pipeline through literal grave sites. I mean the keystone pipeline pretty much went from a great ecnomic site to probably what will be the most heavily guarded pipline in the world. As its the perfect situation to put US government getting squeezed from both sides if a enviormental issue such as a oil spill occurs and if that oil spill is on native land. Thats double the damages it would cost. As that gives one group the right to request clean up and the other can sue the feds. There isn't a better target for a anarchist to take advantage of especially if they want to put the oil companies in bind. I mean how hard would it be to just edit the pipe line to go around the native American land.

Then again its all to classic for humanity not to care about the environment till the sh*t hits the fan.