Mgtow is an actual threat to the world

[RandomGuy1032]

In my opinion the mgtow movement has actually succeeded. Alpha males have always been "mgtow". Now, mgtow really means the guys who would normally simp, aren't willing to.

This is an actual threat to the world. Its been built on a majority of women earning and giving all their money to a bitch.

Now even beta males have figured out that life is out there for them. And it's a lot bigger than an addiction to a female who doesn't even respect them.

When I say mgtow is here to stay, Im not saying its like feminism. It isn't an active movement. It's just a spirit of the time we live in. So many guys arw like this it's subconscious, it's completely normal.

The consequence of this will be a LOT of women who can't rely on an early retirement.

Feminist protests will shift to wanting maternity leave and checks sent to mothers.

[MCheetah]

I agree with you. MGTOW is a reaction to a world that hates men. Feminism exists in a vacuum and was not needed ad hasn't accomplished anything. Maybe if MGTOW had 170+ years to become as powerful and hateful as feminism has, it too would be sexist and horrible. But most people just hate men not being subservient to women, and that's all it is. MGTOW isn't deep into the red pill, "women are all evil" stuff, although some people like to think it is and some users ruin the name of it by claiming it it.

I'm not even MGTOW myself, but I get it. Live for yourself, think for yourself, and stop being a slave to others who don't respect you and see you as disposable. Incels and feminists may be two sides of the same coin, but MGTOW is neither one, which is why so many men don't "get it."

[Subarugirl]

Lol “feminism hasn’t accomplished anything” 😂😂😂… women's suffrage; greater access to education; more equitable pay with men; the right to initiate divorce proceedings; the right of women to make individual decisions regarding pregnancy; bodily autonomy; the equal rights amendment; helped pass Title IX, opening new educational possibilities;

[MCheetah]

@Subarugirl
Once again, you say something stupid and wrong.
First wave feminism literally SET BACK women's suffrage by nine years. Again, I refuse to believe you were properly homeschooled if basic information like this is too much for you to know (or believe as factual).
academic.oup.com/.../161197525
Not to mention the White Feather movement of shaming young men for not signing up for war, while they sat on their asses doing nothing to contribute to World War I.
www.historic-uk.com/.../
The suffragettes were literally terrorists and arsonists but thank you for giving me the opportunity to once again make you look really stupid.

Second wave feminism is the only one not entirely rooted in hate and propaganda despite having open misandrists like Valerie Solanas and her Society of Cuttin' Up Men (SCUM). But it was still a useless movement because the civil rights movement of the 1960s happened in America due to men being underpaid for wages by companies hiring cheap female labor since World War II (the only time there was an actual WAGE GAP in America, and it almost entirely benefited women). But the civil rights movement was mainly about African Americans; feminists just kinda jumped on the bandwagon and made it about "sexual liberation" and whatnot, and nobody really objected to them hitching on another group's movement. But it largely had nothing to do with women and had to do with black Americans and underpaying WWII vets by hiring women as cheap labor.
www.history.com/.../civil-rights-movement

[MCheetah]

@Subarugirl

Third wave feminism is the one that everyone started hating due to its three tenets of Patriarchy, the false Wage Gap, and the even more false Rape Culture narrative (along with The Pink Tax later on).

And Fourth Wave feminism is the Bell Hooks, "intersectional" kind which started on Tumblr and expanded their hatred to include ALL men, heterosexuals, non-transgenders, and white people, including white women like yourself. It mainly focused on "women of color" and transgenderism. And it openly hates privileged, tall, wealthy, uneducated white women like yourself.

TL;DR:
Protesting you want certain changes in society does not mean you actually FOUGHT and contributed to those changes in society. And feminism has been a movement whining about wanting things, but doing next to nothing to fight for them (besides the White Feather movement) since 1848.

So yes, feminism has accomplished nothing and I once again get to show just how utterly ignorant you are.

[whirled_up_girl]

@mcheetah Sorry to barge into your history lesson but regardless of what anyone thinks of feminism I think it would be difficult to dispute that the 19th amendment granting women to the right to vote would have happened without women organizing. I aslo don't think all tactics they used could be described as terrorism, civil disobedience possibly with the silent vigils, hunger strikes, picketing, being jailed etc. www.archives.gov/.../19th-amendment#

[MCheetah]

@whirled_up_girl
Regardless of what you WANT to think, it was suffragettes that literally prevented women's suffrage by nine years, being delayed from 1910 to 1919 because they were militant terrorists who committed vandalism and arson. Just like almost everything involving feminists, they only made the problem worse. This isn't even getting into the fact women ALREADY had the right to vote, if they owned land. So it's not like no women before this couldn't vote. Also not even bringing up the fact that everyday women got the right to vote only a few years after all men (mainly, black men) got voting rights in 1888.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_suffrage

[whirled_up_girl]

@mcheetah I was actually more arguing the point you made that femimism hasn't accomplished anything, well I think of it more as women organizing but for reason it has become referred to as femimism though I think you and I maybe using that term differently. Also that acts of terroism were not representative of the entire suffrage movement even if acts of terrorism did hinder of delay the movement.
www.americanbar.org/.../,

[MCheetah]

@whirled_up_girl
Yeah, and I'm saying women would've been given the right to vote with or without women protesting (not that those women are all "feminists") just like *every other* rights women have been given throughout modern history that feminism did not help them to get. Feminists being loud about it did not contribute to any actual progress or legislature, like I said. All they ever did was complain, but their complaints weren't taken seriously. And in the effects of suffrage, actually set back women's rights.

[KrakenAttackin]

@mcheetah. Well said.

[Subarugirl]

@KrakenAttackin @mcheetah you two have some crazy chemistry, its so cute watching your bromance blossom <3

[KrakenAttackin]

@Subarugirl Poor deflection, as always. The thing is, if @mcheetah and I were gay AF you wouldn't have the stones to retort as you would be called homophobic.

[Subarugirl]

@KrakenAttackin hahahah actually it wasn’t a deflection at all just an observation. You two compliment each other really well actually, lots of common ground and shared interests. I think it’s really cute actually.

[MCheetah]

@Subarugirl
I said all of that about how useless feminism has been and the best you could do is a gay joke? Got it.

[Subarugirl]

@mcheetah when did I make a joke? I wasn’t joking.

[TruthBringer]

@mcheetah @KrakenAttackin Subarugirl was spotted attending a "kid-friendly" drag show. Skip to 8:02
https://youtu.be/yMlOZGYOIw0

[Joker_]

@Subarugirl *complement

[MCheetah]

@TruthBringer
Sh*t, that DOES look like her avatar, LOL! Is she like a foot taller than everyone else there, though?

[MCheetah]

@RandomGuy1032
And thanks for the MHO.

[pass_the_celery98]

@mcheetah Don't argue with Subarugirl, she's a troll, she enjoys pissing off guys, don't let her get to you with her idiotic answers. She claims to be married and have children yet spends an abundance of time on this site bitching and arguing. If I had a family, I would not waste my time on here. I agree with everything you said @mcheetah

[TruthBringer]

@mcheetah Yeah that's why you should never take anything seriously from someone who attends drag shows, let alone ones that are aimed at kids. Also very well said @pass_the_celery98, that's something I've noticed as well with so-called moms here. They claim to have families, yet for some reason got so much spare time to be on G@G. Probably the husbands who do all the work while they are sitting at home doing nothing while the kids are at school.

[USLegionary]

@Subarugirl "women's suffrage; greater access to education; more equitable pay with men; the right to initiate divorce proceedings; the right of women to make individual decisions regarding pregnancy; bodily autonomy; the equal rights amendment; helped pass Title IX, opening new educational possibilities;". All that was happening anyway. As for access to higher education or even voting rights considering at the period it was only for privledged upper classes and not working class people anyway it didn't matter voting rights well in most countries working people couldn't vote to begin with. It was really modern technological and medical advances that allowed women more automony over the body with things like birth control and would you really want to get an abortion in the 1900s during a period where they had a thing called "women's hysteria" which was treated by a male doctor rubbing a woman's clitorous until she orgasmed, I guess that's why back in the day women liked doctors lol. As for work, women always worked but because most jobs were manual labor they didn't do those and in the 40s and 50s you see young women in their millions entering typing pools, or as airline stewardesses rather than as sewer workers...

[KrakenAttackin]

The funny part is as women earn more and more, they will have to shoulder more of the tax burdens for the shit women vote for. Also, as marriage plummets to non-existent (thankfully!), Women will have to work their ENTIRE lives like men do, without coasting to the finish line on men's backs. There are already YouTube videos showing women whining about having to go to work every day... men's fucks to give? ZERO.

[USLegionary]

All true. I know a clever guy who found out his wife was cheating, a cousin of mine. What he did was both ruthless and brilliant. He encouraged his wife to take a big promotion and he reduced his working hours to a 4 day week 9am-3pm and told his wife they were making cutbacks. He was then the one taking the kids to school and picking them up, making dinner etc and pretended he didn't know his wife was cheating, continuing to have sex with her but always with a condom. He was consulting a divorce lawyer secretly and had moved any money and assests she had to a bank account in his dad's name. He filed for divorce after 2 years when he was ready, changed the locks while she was in acapocco on a "buisness conference". He ended up with the family home which her parents gave them though he had to give her half the value of the home which was low because house prices were low at the time. He ended up with the majority of child custody because he was the primary care giver meaning she now has to pay child support. Because she became the main wage earner she has to pay alimony. Apparently she was shocked and had assumed that she automatically would get alimony and child support because she's the wife.
A year later he started back at work 5 days 9-5 is making good money, got a promotion and is driving a new Mercedes. 3 years on he's a new fiance doing well, his ex wife still paying alimony and child support, still raging about how things went down. Gotta say it was nice to hear about some real gender equality bring done.

[MzAsh]

Mgtow aren’t a threat whatsoever. For many of them, it’s the trash taking itself out. Most of them are NOT men women would or should want to be with anyway. There are some exceptions to this, but as we all know, exceptions dont make the rule.

[RandomGuy1032]

You could say that about most simps too

[Shamalien]

Jesus Ash, just because a man doesn’t wanna date doesn’t make him trash…

[MzAsh]

I know that. If he just doesn’t want to date, that’s not necessarily the same thing as a mgtow.

[Shamalien]

Yes Ash, mgtow is just men focusing on bettering themselves, stop hating

[MzAsh]

You and I both know there’s a lot more to it than that.

[Shamalien]

Yeah there’s a lot of bullshit stereotypes perpetuated by feminists like you who want a war between the sexes for some reason

[MzAsh]

Know how I found out about Mgtow? Back in 2011, they stalked and harassed me. Spammed my blog with mgtow tags everywhere. Doxxed me on an old forum called pua hate and doctored photos of me for humiliation.

[Shamalien]

@MzAsh well that’s obviously very immature and unkind and I disavow that. They do not reflect the broader community. I’m curious though, do you have any idea why they chose to target you?

[MzAsh]

That’s when I started blogging about dating, relationships, and sexual culture, and I suppose they didn’t like what I said.

[Shamalien]

Well considering what you just posted about MGTOW here, it’s beginning to look like you may have fired the first shot

[MzAsh]

How so?

[Shamalien]

“ For many of them, it’s the trash taking itself out. Most of them are NOT men women would or should want to be with anyway.”

That kind of talk is how you make enemies

[MzAsh]

I’m not going to be nice to them after what they’ve done to me.

[Shamalien]

@MzAsh to end a conflict, someone must be the bigger person.

[MzAsh]

Modern women are just living their lives and mgtow can’t stand it. They’ll have to get over it. Then maybe the conflict will end.

[Shamalien]

@MzAsh and mgtow are just living their lives, yet people like you need to insult them and add fuel to the gender war

[Shamalien]

Truth is that you ladies can’t stand mgtow

[MzAsh]

Only when they can’t keep their nose out of our asses.

[Shamalien]

Bullshit. You hate them on a deeper level than that. Women in general are threatened by the idea of mgtow, seen it many times. I don’t think ignoring women completely is the way, but the vast overwhelming majority of women I’ve met I wouldn’t consider an LTR with and I think men having standards is a good thing as many women are very entitled. Men need to stop simping for a bit of pussy and be willing to go without sex and retain their self respect

[MzAsh]

Why would I hate them on a deeper level? I already have my man and he’s nothing like them. In fact, the more mgtow who stay out of the way, the better. Men putting women on a pedestal is natural. Mgtow are just mad about it. That’s all.

[Shamalien]

@MzAsh oh boy 😆 I give up here lol. I just hope you treat your man right because you sound really narcissistic

[MzAsh]

We just passed our 15th anniversary.

[Shamalien]

Yeah that doesn’t really answer my question miss warden lol

[MzAsh]

You didn’t ask a question.

[Shamalien]

It’s the man I wanna ask the questions to

[MzAsh]

Good luck

[Shamalien]

Lol now see that’s the kind of talk that scares me. Just where do you have this poor bastard locked up?

[MzAsh]

In my slave dungeon of course

[Shamalien]

Knew it lol

[BUTIMRIGHTTHO]

@MzAsh "For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged"

Law of cause and effect or The Golden Rule

I tested this on this site with an account I use to have. I decided to be 100% nice and say everything nicely and avoid controversial tropics... No one, not even once, treated me mean in any way. No one aggressive disagreed with me either. The golden rule works. Ever strike at someone because you disagree with their opinion and they strike back with politeness. Kills all your aggression doesn't it? If you disagree with with someone make sure your message is undoubtable polite. Someone may disagree with it but they won't feel attacked or overly judged.

Just giving you some advice. Test it out if you don't believe me. Try it in your real life not on this site. Everyone knows you here already so they may already dislike u. But even if you try it here it will work or come to work 100% of the time.

[MzAsh]

I’m glad that works out for you. I’ve been the nice girl most of my life, and I was still disrespected. Real people respect me. Weak people don’t. And that goes for men and women. Here’s the thing, by nature I’m not always “nice.” Im human. I’m friendly and polite but I’m also sassy and honest, and calculating. I completely understand that some people don’t like that side of me. And I also am completely okay with that.

[Heolurt]

You say "they" as if mgtow is an organization like the hold protests and parades and shit, whoever "they" were it wasn't mgtow, even if they claimed as such. Mgtow is men going their own way, not let's get the boys together and dox people, it's guys who decided the unfairness in law and all the double standards between men and women isn't giving me any reason to be around or interact with females, in fact it's telling me it's safer not to interact with females.

[MzAsh]

It’s actually both.

[Heolurt]

No that's call media and feminazis propaganda. No matter how brainwashed you are to you feminist leaders, the fact that mgtow isn't an organization is always going to be a fact, mgtow isn't trying to indoctrinate people to it like the feminazis movement, mgtow is say this is what I am doing because this reason, if you're like me then going your own way is an option or you can do whatever because that's cool too. At this point I can't even believe your story about being doxxed because you keep saying mgtow is an organization like some brainwash feminazis drone

[MzAsh]

I’m actually referring to mgtow forums and Reddit users. It’s not an organization.

[MzAsh]

It’s more or less a community. An anti feminists community.

[Heolurt]

Those are trolls not mgtow, just because it's on a forum or Reddit which honestly really you went to Reddit, troll capital of the internet? Either way just because you go to either and says it's mgtow doesn't mean all the people there are mgtow, I mean you were there and you couldn't ever be mgtow. Also mgtow doesn't condone that kind of behaviour as it doesn't benefit the men going their own way at all and that is a collective belief in mgtow.

[MzAsh]

Let me find the maniac who dissected one of my articles and made a YouTube video on it. Hang onn

[Heolurt]

Anti-feminazi community, feminists for true equality mgtow has no qualms with.

[MzAsh]

Here’s one https://www.bitchute.com/video/nIr6N7CazYVF/

[MzAsh]

Toxic mgtow and in the comments of that video too

[MzAsh]

Here’s another: https://www.bitchute.com/video/xLvdbEFjgfJZ/

This is a different guy talking about my same article. Only this guy seems rather harmless. What might be called a dork in todays society, probably having trouble coming to terms with the fact that hasn’t yet developed into his masculinity.

[Heolurt]

I'm not watching a mgtow video especially 30mins, I'm not mgtow I just know what it's about and yes just like feminazis are extremists to feminism, there are the same within mgtow but they aren't considered mgtow in the community because all they do is harm to mgtow just like feminazis are ruining feminism.

[MzAsh]

At least you admit they are extremists in the community now, not just trolls.

[Shamalien]

Most mgtow are not extremists at all, just dudes who wanna focus on personal growth. Going your own way was never supposed to be about attacking other groups.

[Jdjfjcjj]

@Shamalien there's a difference between a man not wanting to date and a man who identifies as MGTOW.

[MzAsh]

Mgtow is founded upon beliefs that go against women’s best interests.

[MzAsh]

Check out the going your own way forum… damn 😬

[Agagagagaga]

@MzAsh So you make dating and relationship content and upload it to YouTube for the world to see...

... then get salty when people ridicule it and criticize your opinions.

Typical.

YOU put yourself out there. YOU are opening yourself up to criticism. And when people don’t kiss your ass and tell you that everything you said was spot on, it’s

“UGH MEN! Why are these weak men disrespecting me?”

🙄

[MzAsh]

It doesn’t bother me. I’m used to it by now. Or else I wouldn’t be doing it. If anything, I use it as testament to what women need to be aware of.

[Miladin]

"Men putting women on a pedestal is natural."

No it's not. Trying to get her attention and impressing her is natural, but not putting her on a pedestal.

[AlphaGhost]

I have known you over the years and I would say you deserve it without it without even watching the video... She is a feminazi-terrorist who reports you when you give her a taste of her own medicine.

MGTOW is all about personal growth and that includes removing the most problematic part of men life and its "woman".
"Mgtow is founded upon beliefs that go against women’s best interests"

Yeah, you mean interests of scamming men and living off them like a damnn parasite... I believe humanity is at cross-roads right now cuz movements like feminism have risen and died in history but now woman greatest asset "Reproduction" is at stake right now.
Ectogenesis (artifical womb) is already in testing phase right now it will be out in next 5 years and we already have ovum cell lines ready to produce mass production of Ovum's on demand. So future will be very bleak for NAZI's in world of AI-Dolls loaded with new tech.

[MzAsh]

As long as my writing pisses off problematic little shit heads anywhere near that sphere, I know I’m doing something right.

[Shamalien]

@MzAsh you’re just such a narcissist and a female supremacist and it’s honestly sickening. You’re what you hate about the men’s liberation movement

[MzAsh]

Or I’m just a pretty good troll sometimes.

[Shamalien]

Yeah maybe, or maybe you’ve been trolling for so long that you’ve become one

[MzAsh]

It remains a mystery 🔮

[D_Bone_Steak]

So some men have decided to take measures to protect themselves from being taken advantage of. Little things like flushing that condom down the toilet because, yes, some women will sperm jack you by actually fishing a used condom out of the trash. I watched my mom destroy my stepdad financially with child support. She had him pay, and then pay again with back child support through the state. She destroyed him socially where his own daughter (my sister) doesn't even like him and everybody just turned their back on him. My mom basically just constantly talked shit about him and men in general. It sucked as a young man just constantly hearing how I'm no good, but from what I was seeing in a real-life example, that was no angelic Disney princess doing good for the world or anybody in general. I was just aware and was learning from what I was seeing.

MGTOW or men like me are literally nothing more than a reaction to a reality that's usually hidden behind this facade that women can do no wrong at all. It only bothers the women that plan on using those exact deception tactics to get their own free meal ticket or advocate for the destory-all-men mentality.

Feminism when it was just fighting for equality or voting rights was actually a good thing... not to be conflated with modern feminism where they're just destroying anything from Thundercats to the normal use of pronouns. Just like the gay rights group are getting highjacked by child molesters, feminism has also been highjacked by some of the worst of the worst as well.

Choosing to not be taken advantage of or hate yourself simply because how you were born, you would think they'd support, so why does it piss off some particular individuals just so very bad or they at least scoff and try to claim you weren't wanted anyways. Normal women have no reaction to it because they never planned on being the type of woman a man would need to protect themselves from to begin with. Usually unaware of it at all in fact. All the race and gender swapping from Disney, Netflix, and Amazon isn't even noticed by them... the sad part is blue pilled men are just as unaware. They might get lucky and link up with a normal girl, but they're sitting ducks with a target on their back for the types of women MGTOW philosophy would teach you to be at least aware of.

[VIVANT]

Not wanting to be In a relationship unless you meet someone who is worth it is literally the most rational anything human being can do. I do not see the issue here. I certainly didn’t see how society is threatened by this.

Most people are working class and a significant minority of the working class is scraping by weather alone or in a relationship. No one is coming to rescue anyone and no one is expecting to live off someone’s wallet. When you go out and are served during the course of your day, many did those people are clearly elderly and many of those people have high education. That’s been the case forever.

There are not enough well paying jobs even if everyone had the training there are still going to be people getting paid garbage for jobs that keep society running smoothly. Tiny fraction of women and men earn top percent and they are both Insanely irritating and if I thought that’s how most of their gender think I’d her want to date either. women not having a he’s or men not dating is not going to solve the problem if power imbalance or perpetual abject poverty.

But being very picky about who your partner is willing to. It have a partner is how I hav pays lived my life there is nothing shocking about this to be I don’t even intend in having sex bc it’s such a huge game to most people I don’t want to have to waste time wading through guys who just want sex but pretend to like me. Probably similarly to how many guys feel about potentially being looked at as an ATM. Is it that most people have bad intentions probably not but the possibility is enough. Goes both ways. I know far more men who are willing to play Gaye’s for sex than women who feign interest for money tho I’m willing to believe it happens.

And maternity as health care & health care IS already a central theme in protests — like they have in other develooed count eyes.. with less - if any- poverty homelessness and suicides. 100,000s if people die annually for lack of health care and or are thrown into bankruptcy homelessness suicide as a result.

in my opinion we have bigger problems than women or men who don’t rush to date anyone who calls their name, what we consider to be democracy is anti democratic and crushing the people not standing on too. Thus won’t change bc if dating rituals. Tho putting women against men certainly makes a nice subterfuge for elite to keep playing their games unbothered. The irony is we can stay celebrate and single for eternity to avoid getting screwed over and we will still be f*cked harder by lobbyists politicians and their playmates than any rando that we may ever date.

[Anonymous]

MGTOW isn't a threat to the world. MGTOW men are just reacting to feminist culture.

People act based on self-interest most of the time, both men and women. They act based on incentives.

For these types of dudes, the current situation is no good for them. In the past people were religious. Women were expected to remain chaste until marriage, pre-marital sex and divorce were heavily frowned upon. Women weren't able to work and earn money the way men did, meaning that women were mostly reliant on men to provide. This meant that as long as these "beta" men had jobs (if they had the ability to provide) they could get married and stay married. Of course, they also didn't have the internet or mobile phones, so everybody's options were limited to the people who lived nearby. It was much more simple for them back then.

In today's culture, the dating scene is completely different. Women don't need men to provide for them anymore, so while some might choose to marry a man based on the fact that he makes good money, a man's ability to provide isn't enough to automatically get him a woman. In fact, in this hook-up culture, you're more likely to get laid if you're good-looking, jacked, and you have good banter. You're more likely to get what you want by being "sexy" and "exciting", and that's what so-called "beta" men lack. They always attracted women by being providers, not lovers.

The guys who become MGTOW are either there because they can't get laid, can't attract women who are any good/attractive, or they've just had bad experiences with divorce, being cheated on etc. They join because speaking with other like-minded men about how it's not worth getting into relationships with modern women makes them feel better about not having one, even though they're miserable because they'd like to if they could. They're not even wrong, they're there because their experiences are mostly bad.

The incentive for them to try harder to find a relationship just isn't there anymore. Those types really are more likely to get into miserable sexless marriages, get divorced, fucked over.

But it's more because of the culture. The rules of the culture affect relationships and sexual dynamics. This affects almost everybody's behaviour toward the opposite sex.

What kicked all of this off was the birth control pill, which kicked off the sexual revolution, which led to the rise of hook-up culture, which led to a rise in divorce. Women, preferring to be free from having to marry "beta" men they basically settled for in the past, then wanted to work for their own money. That's what drives all of this.

It's not a threat to the entire world anyway. It's a Western thing, a reaction to Western liberalism.

[Lionman95]

I guess you´re right though I don´t like your myTake. The reason why mgtow could become a problem is not because guys nowadays are independent hence many of the guys that are nowadays part of that movement spend more time on trash-talking and complaining why they can´t get laid than on actually living an independent life where dating is uninteresting.

The problem why mgtow can become a problem is because of its potential of creating a toxic wall between men and women that leads to them seperating each other so that women just spend times with each other and guys do the same.

The problem I see is rather the toxicity that it is spread online that is different from the offline world. The problem is that mgtow is not solving any problems hence it makes single guys bitter and frustrated or do you know any guy that got happy living in that community?

The problem is that too many guys that are bitter could lead to more violent attacks of them hence they get emotionally cold at some point and try to solve their problems with some aggressive behavior hoping to lose their frustration that way.

That´s the problem that things could end in. Or the other way is that more and more guys get porn addicts and get to a point where they can´t have sex with a woman since they can´t get hard anymore.

So the biggest problem mgtow could enhance is that dating will get even more complicated not less.

[Topaz1979]

Yeah but feminism can be toxic too which is why I’m no longer subscribing to it so I get why mgtow came about but I’m exhausted with all these movement I want the world to just cancel feminism and mgtow and let’s all start fresh because wow! 🤕.

[Lionman95]

@Topaz1979 Agreed I don´t like those movements either especially if they are used as an excuse for complaining.

[Topaz1979]

@Lionman95 same! I completely agree with you...

[BlueScorpio]

I'm going be honest with you, I'm not really seeing it as threat. Mgtow is a small community that's mostly talked about online, outside of that most men haven't heard of it and if they have, they don't really care. I asked some my male coworkers, they had no idea what the hell a mgtow was until I told them. After I explained to them what it was they mocked those men and said those must be the ones who can't get bitches or the Elliot Rodgers of the online world. Incels.

Even my husband doesn't know what a mgtow is, he don't care. I think men are just kinda doing their own thing, listen men and women are still getting along for the most part okay. I work in a hospital, everyday I see men and women having babies together, they're still dating, etc. For the most part relationships between men and women is still normal and going. Maybe not perfect, but normal. Basically what trying to say is, I haven't seen to many mgtow marches or protests, I'm sorta waiting to see that shit go down.. I dint know what y'all are waiting for lol

[RandomGuy1032]

Shut the fuck up

[Flunkerdunk]

Well, does the "movement" really require marches or protest? I relate mgtow to "quiet quitting", but along the lines of relationships. I think *some* men might have given up due to how others just refuse to give them sympathetic validation on the same level that a woman might receive it, but I think the wider issue is how "dated" the legal system is in terms of gender bias.

I feel like mgtow has existed for decades but it never really had a name. I'm sure the gentlemen you spoke to can understand it (if they are a bit older than mid 20s), by witnessing biased divorce settlements that favor women against men or child custody battles. I don't think they are incels, but rather the victims of messy marriages and they have grown up to be afraid of legalized relationships.

So, you may be correct that mgtow is a small community, but it is a *growing* community. That is why it is considered a "threat" (I'd argue it is a symptom of underlying societal issues). The British Empire didn't consider the early United States of America as a threat during it's infancy and look how that turned out, lol.

[loveslongnails]

@Flunkerdunk They're about as much of a threat to humankind as, hmmm... a single disgruntled iPhone user is to Apple's financial well-being. Even if that number grows, it will never reach critical mass.

[BlueScorpio]

Dude chill, I wasn't trying to mock. I was just saying outside the internet it's not a huge thing. Check your emotions man.

[KrakenAttackin]

@BlueScorpio. You need to check your privilege.

[BlueScorpio]

@KrakenAttackin lol

[RandomGuy1032]

Why are you guys treating her like she's intelligent

[USLegionary]

The feminist backlash against men's rights movements is because they don't want equality they want special treatment. The idea of a world where women are treated the way men are by society and the law instead of like children with special needs that are not responsible are accountable for their actions or poor life choices frightens them. What if women were jailed for domestic & child abuse instead of treated as though they are the victim? What if women had to pay alimony? What if women had to get a job instead of child support and alimony? What if child custody was automatically 50/50? What if women got the same jail sentences as men for the same crimes? Feminists don't want this equality. Feminists live in such a warped bubble wrapped world that everything is oppression, that's why victim oppression porn shows like the handmaiden tale is so popular.

[TDDMS]

The MGTOW movement, (yes mgtows what you are part of is a movement stop being retarded and denying the obvious), like other movements takes something real and then thrust upon it a bunch of nonsense. For instance, the 1st wave feminists that everyone thinks was a good movement, which was anything but a good movement, could easily point to and say that there was no amendment for the female vote, which is a true statement, but then threw upon that all their craziness like male privilege, patriarchy, and blah blah.

MGTOWs do the same thing. They point to the sheer number of toxic and dysfunctional women that have a negative societal impact, but then, like the feminists foist upon it a ton of retard ideas that have no basis in reality. For instance, it's quite common to hear and read amongst the mgtows that chivalry was something used for women of all classes, all backgrounds, and been around for evarrrrrrrrr. This isn't true. In fact chivalry was only around for about 30 years and it was a code developed by nobility on how the knights were to act and interact in the presence of nobility. Outside of those circumstances, knights would routinely rape, pillage, and murder the plebs. Chivalry didn't extend to lower class women or men for that matter. Historian Brian Tierney spoke at length about this in his book The History of Western Europe.

Like the feminists, MGTOWs have the same modus operendi, namely they change history to fit their narrative. MGTOWs lack confidence, knowledge, and fail to accept the fact that 1) they are failures and 2) can't just accept we live in a time where there are a number of toxic and dysfunctional women.

(Okay MGTOWer this is the point where you run back to your group and exclaim that someone, that would be me, pointed out a weakness in your ideology and cry "WE'RE UNDER ATTACK. MAN THE FORTRESS!!!")

[Ghostluck]

I must not live in the same world as others. I have zero issues with women because I chose women who actually appreciate a man. The ones who act as though men are the mortal enemy are completely overlooked and denied. If men stop dating them, they'll be much happier. Me, I don't mes with them because there are PLENTY of women who appreciate men, which makes it sooooo much easier for me to truly appreciate them. My girlfriend worships me, and in return I worship her. That is how it is meant to be. I didn't find her by settling for some extreme feminist man hated Bertha. Men just need to stop worrying about all these little political groups and just live your life. Trust me, life is so much simpler and much more interesting when you don't let these little groups of people get inside your head. Ignore them, live your life. Make good choices in who you chose as a partner, both for women and for men, and everyone who isn't some hater of one kind or another will live joyful lives, rather than becoming some activist of some sort or another. These types of people don't even register on my radar, man. I couldn't care less about any of them.

[findacure4wokeness]

I'm not sure if I fit into the Mgtow box or not. I respect women as human beings and I'm attracted to them, But they seem almost impossible to please and Always complain until we live our lives they way they want us to in my experience anyway. I felt like I had to choose between living my life the way I want to or a relationship so I chose to live my life. I think feminism really strained the relationship between men and women and in time as feminism dies down relationships will improve. Simps over inflating the Egos of young pretty women doesn't help because women will hit the wall and if they still have unrealistic standards in a partner they will likely be left with out a man when the music stops. I've noticed The prettier a girl is the more high maintenance she is. I still believe in Unicorns though.

[RandomGuy1032]

You sound like a alpha male. Not a mgtow

[hahahmm]

That's why our ancestors didn't respect women for having a vagina. She had to behave a certain way to get respect. A lady got respect. Now you have women acting like dudes but expecting not to be held accountable like men are for every single thing we do.

[KelleyNice]

This post is an attempt to make a mountain out of a molehill. As I understand it, MGTOW are primarily divorced older men with children that believe they have not been treated fairly by family courts. Both men and women know the laws an family courts are bias in favor of women. Therefore, their decisions not to get married again may have some justification.

In any event, if some older divorced men choose not to get married again, that has no significant effect on our society. This post might have some validity if most young me were MGTOW, but they are not because most young men want to get married. You only need to read numerous post on GAG to realize that.

[Miladin]

Well the thing is that due to this and other biases even younger men see that they are or could be treated unfairly by society and women, so they just refuse to participate and play the game just as a precaution.
I for example have worked more than hard and have endured a lot in order to get where I am and I don't want someone to eventually take my house for some stupid silly reason like "I don't love you anymore" , "you're not the men you were" , "you are no longer fun" , "I found someone better" or whatever. This is exactly what is happening to a colleague of mine at the moment. So let's call it , learn from others mistakes.
I also refuse to put women on pedestal as one girl in this comment section said it's completely natural. Sorry but no thanks. I won't simp, I won't chase, if a relationship happens it happens, but definitely won't lead to marriage.
Some call this MGTOW, others not, I don't care, I call it being smart, pragmatic and respectful towards yourself.

[KelleyNice]

@Miladin Nevertheless, you have an awareness that only a low percentage of young men have. No doubt they hear. However, when they meet a girl, she seems so nice. Therefore, the though that she could turn on them, never enters their mind until it is too late.

Besides, they system doesn't care if you don't marry if they can take your money for child support and that will happen if some woman names you as the father. That is because a DNA test cannot prove you are not the father. At 99.7% that you are excluded, you will argue, there is only 1 chance in 300. However, the court will rule that women don't lie and award child support payments.

Because you are educated, have assets, and have a higher than normal income, you are a target. The only men that are not targets are men without a college education, have few assets, and never earned much more than minimum wage. The odds of that happening is not high;, but, if you live in North America, there is some risk.

[RandomGuy1032]

"The thought she could turn on them never enters their mind" why not

[Miladin]

@kelleynice I have been burned by so called "nice girls", some of them seem nice in the beginning but they show their true nature when being tested. That's why I'm double cautious now when I meet a cute, positive and nice girl. Same applies to both genders though, people just have to be more cautious but to a reasonable degree, not to appear to distant and suspicious, but just to not open up that quick.
I don't mind paying child support, hell I would even take care of the kids by myself, I'm responsible. What I don't want is my house taken by a bored cheating woman.
I'm not from USA, I'm from Europe, so the courts here are not that biased here, but still you may lose a lot when you see yourself in a bad position.

[VanillaSalt]

im glad MGTOW exists. Without it Ide still think of women as “women”.


Women are cruel and apathetic. How can they empathize when their always victims?


If I get on here and post something I feel strongly about in defense of men most people both men and women insult me. Calling me incel and other shit. Without MGTOW I wouldn’t have support. Are you saying I should shut up and fall in line?


If so I say you can all burn in hell. Ide rather see you suffer with me then let you win. If not then give other options. Try and support our suffering men rather then run them down.


The only reason MGTOW exists is because society has encouraged men to act out. We don’t get the support women get because we’re sacrifices for the benefit of society.


I can support my statements with real facts. Lookup title 4 D in regards to child support and you can start to understand.

[river23]

I'm not fully understanding the situation, but I agree and disagree with both men and woman alike on this post. Because men have done their fair share in causing feminism and woman have done their fair share in causing mgtow to happen. We've each as men and woman maybe not all men and woman but most have done their fair share in causing both of these things to appear and happen and stick with society and the world as a whole. If anyone disagrees or hates me for my comment so be it. I'm just stating my opinion isn't that just what everyone else is doing. It's my right as a human and citizen or America to state my opinion it doesn't mean you have to like it or agree with it. If you don't like it just ignore it, it's that simple.

[Heolurt]

You're right men did lots to start feminism, like literally start feminism, a man started feminism because he knew if he could get females to vote that they would vote for him. Look it up if you don't believe me.

[RandomGuy1032]

mao zedong brought feminism into china

[normalice]

Mgtow has always struck me as like those people on video game forums who post that they will quit if the developers don't make a specific list of changes, but then, after being ignored, are still there months later threatening to quit if a new list of demands aren't met.

It's in the name, really. Men "going" their own way. Not men "who have gone" their own way. The name puts then in a constant state of announcing their departure without ever actually going anywhere. It's an open invitation to give them some attention since just talking to women is too hard.

But really it's just yet another way to harness the common sexual frustrations of young men and put it to use in the far right quest to give rich people all the money.

[ObscuredBeyond]

The way I see it: God put each of us here for one reason or another, or several. We each need to figure out how best to serve that purpose. Having someone to share the journey with is secondary, at best.

I seek to be as fair and understanding as possible with any woman. But there are lines in the sand that I definitely draw. If she crosses them like they don't exist, especially if I make them plain to her in advance, my patience wears thin quickly. She cannot be relied upon to serve the higher purpose, if she can't even be relied upon to show very basic respect.

[LogicBomber]

I think to stop the endless bitching for “equality”… society should make females equal to men.

Let’s take away all the endless female only groups, clubs, housing, funding, shelters, government programs, scholarships, gyms, protection, etc.

Take away the female sided court bias, police bias, school bias, quotas, media bias, etc.

It should be mandatory that they pay 50% on dates, pay the same tax as men, etc.

They should also have to make up 50% of all deadly jobs and military front line.

False Rape accusations should be met with the same punishment as rape perpetrators, female rapist should be treated the same as male rapist. Female sexual aggression should be shamed and attacked the same way male sexual aggression is.

Let’s make females see what “Equal” means for them by removing all the endless privileges they pretend they don’t have.

[bolverk]

Not really.

They do not hate women they just do not wish to have a close personal relationship at this particular moment,
This is not set in stone it depends if they meet someone they feel they are compatible with,
All these men have done is performed a risk/benefit analysis and decided that marriage/family life is not for them at this moment in time.
The feminists are pissed off because they see resources walking away, but they cannot effectively attack these men because MGTOW is not an organisation with a leadership, but more of a philosophy where each man literally goes his own way.

[Anonymous]

MGTOW itself is not the problem, it is a symptom of a deeply rooted societal illness.

The real threat is the underlying condition that is causing males to detach from society and from women in meaningful ways.

The threat is what is happening in society that is causing males to feel disenfranchised and to stop doing the things that support a healthy society long term.

The threat is that it IS happening and we as a society are not taking it seriously and not trying to fix the problem.

It is real, and it WILL destroy western society if we don't start being honest about it and course correct soon, before it is too late.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/02/08/andrew-yang-boys-are-not-all-right/

[ManOnFire]

Neither MGTOW nor Red Pill are nearly as socially decadent as feminism is. In fact, feminists enjoy that these guys are feeling this way. And they want men to feel insecure about sex or ever getting a girlfriend, because a large part of modern feminism is built on sexual dynamics that are especially supposed to be in women's favor. MGTOW isn't doing anything to stop this nor is it even powerful enough to threaten the world.

[Topaz1979]

Lol this world is a joke 😂 I’m leaving this app because it reminds me of how much many things in this world are a joke 🤣🤡.

I’m not saying you or your post is a joke I get that this mgtow movement and feminism are real things and some issues within those movements are real but yeah I’m tired of everything and I’m laughing off my exhaustion and frustration of what the world has become😂! *drops mic*

🚶‍♀️.

[GrapeApe98]

Based as fuck.

[D_Bone_Steak]

What has the world become indeed... Ariel's hair color in your profile is still correct, but she's black now.

I'm joking, but yeah... it's like always fucking something.

[Topaz1979]

@D_Bone_Steak True!!! now disney keeps ruining my childhood by unnecessarily remaking all my fave movies into to horrible real versions🙄. I was happy thinking they were leaving the little mermaid as is because it was perfect!!! but then boom they messed with it, and when you complain and say hey disney and people of the world this is my childhood fave movie I loved it as is most of us did so you didn't have to remake it at alllll!!! then boom you get called a racist 😭😂. I'm so done!