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Is sexual harassment on the streets due to provocative clothing or the mentality of men? Explain? (Page 2)
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I have been sexually assaulted in the subway last summer, I was wearing:
Baggy hoodie
Black sweatpants
Converse
Hair in a ponytail
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oh my god are you okay
That depends on what you consider sexual harassment.
You most likely have your own definition of what you think that is, so for you something as simple as someone smiling and saying hi to you is "sexual harassment".
Plus, why asking that question in a way that implies that only men are the ones doing the sexual harassing?
I've been catcalled and harassed in mid-winter up north. I had nothing but my eyes showing - hat on, scarf over my face, a long coat, and boots. So I don't think clothing has a whole lot to do with it.
No, I feel that women should be able to wear what they want and not get harassed by men. I am so sick of men who are rude and disrespectful to women just for the way that person dress or looks, its wrong and not right.
A girl wearing revealing clothing doesn't cause a guy to be an asshole. He's already an asshole if he harasses a girl on the streets.
Is a rich guy who shows off his trinkets getting robbed the fault of him showing off his trinkets or the mentality of thieves?
Mentality- 85%
Clothing- 15%.
So it comes down to mentality but not entirely. Why? Let me give you an example.
Attractive girls get hit on more than unattractive ones. Why? Because they are attractive, and not because of the mentality of boys. Lol.
It's the mentality of harassers, not men. I've been harassed in the streets by women. Y'all are guilty too.
I think you need to have more options... as it's a combination of both. I think it's close to 50/50.
The only reason to where provocative clothes it to get attention... regardless of what feminists say.
Mentality. Sexual harassment occurs with all sorts of clothing. My best friend gets catcalled all the time, even though she only ever wears t-shirts and jeans, just because she happens to have big breasts (which is out of her control).
I've never been one to dress provocatively, but I got cat called all the time when I used to live and work downtown. Now that most of my walking around is in the burbs I don't find it happens much anymore. Don't miss it!!
Fuck even I got cat called by a group of teenage boys AND I'M A DUDE WHO WAS READING A FREAKING BOOK
It is completely 100% due to the ignorance of the men (or women) doing it. If you have any intelligence, or self control, it doesn't matter if the woman is naked. Although that would be awesome.
So for some reason my phone voted for me.
Its the mentality.
I found a quote ages ago
"If lesbians can control themselves around a short skirt, then it isn't the clothing thats the problem"
Both and neither. Sometimes it's the mentality of women too, some of us will take a genuine compliment as harassment.
Most of the time someone dresses to get attention and then gets more attention than they bargained for. Which is wrong on the part of the Man, but the woman also has to take some responsibility.
Sexual harassment is a crime in most places and is the result of mentality which is at the root of the behavior. Also, what is considered "provocative clothing" to one person is not to another. This is also the result of mentality. Not everyone is attracted to the same thing. Also, I am a guy, and I am conscious of how I dress in certain situations. The reality is that all genders are judged on some level by how they dress and under what circumstances. That's just a hard reality.
Its a tort
At least in the U. S., a lot of sexual harassment isn't a crime. It's perfectly legal to, say, shout crude things out your car window.
Both, not all guys catcall but the ones who do definitely tend to do it as a response to someone wearing something provocative or just being really hot.
Honestly I've been catcalled with nothing but my eyes showing - I was kind of surprised I could even be identified as female. I think a lot of guys do it to show off or boost their own egos, not necessarily much to do with women.
@SunsetStar I mean yeah it's possible but most times I notice cat calling it's drunk guys yelling shit to girls in skimpy outfits.
In my experience I got catcalled more when I was dressed nice more than based on how much skin was showing. Like if I was in skinny jeans and a tank top I'd get less than if I was wearing a nice business skirt and blouse with my hair and makeup done.
The men, I've been harassed in the street and it always the same kind of men who do it.
What you wear they doesn't care they're just some immature guys. Hopefully very few guys are like that.
it depends on the thinking of how we see that and in what mood we are in. and that's a bad thing and should be improved. if we boys go out wearing a vest and a short then I haven't seen a single girl teasing us or even cared about what we have wore. it all comes out to be a animal nature of us men inside especially those who can't overcome the animal insode. l
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it's not as simple as that. Mentality of the society changes in each area. A lot of heads would turn at an off the shoulder top in Aurangabad than in Pune. Case in point being harassment cases in Europe on NYE. I have known guys lustily oogling at girls in salwar kameez and also guys acting normal with girls wearing revealing dresses. it comes down to individual character and values. For masses, it comes down to gender ratio presence. And culture/mindset promoted by the entertainment media.
A Round of Applause for the 22 guys who voted for clothing! Kudos guys! You have been awarded the Prestigious Retarded awards for backwards mentality and SizeMatters award for your small... Brain!
It's both. Some guys are taught to be that way, and some go ape when they see half naked chicks. But let's not kid ourselves. You don't have to be half naked to get harassed. I know from experience.
Well according to women, it's due to men doing little things as harmless as saying "hello"...
https://youtu.be/WpvnO0p9KvUYeah, when me and my girlfriend go to the gym and my girl doesn't even wear super revealing clothes guys break neck for her and straight up stare at her. Not even me working out with her stops some guys. They still try to look over me. They finally stop when I stare at them back or tell them something.
Mentality from both men women !! Yes women do it too !!
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I never said that women don't do it. The question was about men.
Asker... Yes I'm totally aware that it is about men , but let's be fair... women do the same thing as guys. If you want to throw dirt around , throw it from both sides
Then you can ask your own question. My question was about men doing it.
The sexual assault rates are higher towards women. As in, more women experience sexual assault than men. This is more commonly seen socially, and has occurred to me personally, so I asked a question about it.
If you feel so strongly about women doing that to men, ask your own question.
That's like answering "Why do girls prefer lighter colors?" With "oh well men prefer lighter colors too it's not just exclusive to women gosh"
Nobody said anything of the contrary. The question was directed towards a specific gender
Asker... First of all , I don't need to ask anyone about a life I led for 45 years lived in the streets of three major international city's. Secondly men and women have been doing to each other for centuries. Thirdly don't sit there and tell me about men and how you have them all figured out to all be sexual predators. Truethfully you and me and everyone else in this creation will be sexually harassed at one moment or another in thier lifetime. I feel more than strongly to that conviction , lived it , watched it , beat guys up for talking stupid to other women , my girls following me used to pound the shit out of females for talking like that too. But I always feel being fair is the right unbiased way to handle something correctly. I know how the question was directed , so I'm saying something to the contrary. Everyone on this question... hasn't even been where I've been. That's fair to assume
Not everything is fair buttercup. Get used to it.
If you want to go on a rant about things being fair, make a question or mytake. You're completely deviating from what I originally asked with another argument about equality, and I didn't ask for that. In fact I can't even read the paragraph you wrote because in your 45 years of life you didn't learn how to not use a run on sentence.
Your grammar and syntax is actually horrible for a (apparently you're 56?) year old man.
Asker... I'm not your buttercup. I don't speak your language usually , so lighten up with that. You're very immature otherwise and you have little respect for those who have been there long before you. I think you're mad and rude and disrespectful towards anyone who doesn't agree with you. regardless. You think you' know everything and you don't. Someday I hope someone teaches some manners and how respect others on the business end of thier fist.
You first showed disrespect to women by attempting to disregard what the question was addressing with another completely unrelated issue.
You don't tell me to lighten up. I don't cut slack. You chose to be on a predominately English website. If you don't like it, go to a version with a different language. There are some available in the App Store.
I don't show respect to people who haven't earned it.
Asker... what your rugged ? Flock you batch !! Lmao. ...,,, Stop acting like your all that
*you're *fuck *bitch *you're (again)
Also there isn't a space between punctuation and the word. God. If you want to be taken seriously you could start by implementing stuff most people learn when they're 5
Also if you want to insult someone try knowing how to spell what you're saying... may I just say it's ironic the 56 year old flew into a tantrum before the 18 year old did.
You call me immature, yet you're the one who started with the childish insults. Id take a good look at yourself before pointing fingers.
Asker... Triggered you on purpose to see you're mentality... and we all here on gag saw it together. ... that reinforces my point !!
I don't know what a woman would have to wear for me to harass them sexually. So I say it is 100% the mentality of the men harassing. They are just the type of guys who will harass, goddamn pigs.
Well, considering the fact that I've been catcalled at while wearing three layers of clothes and a parka, I'm going to go with the mentality.
Both because it depends on the person and sometimes woman do flaunt a little too depending on the woman
Mentality. Even women who don't dress provocatively get sexually harassed which doesn't make it any better.
All dressing provocatively does is attract sexual attention and lust but not assault and rape. Fine line between the two.
The mentality is the cause. A woman can be wearing ANYTHING and the men who want to catcall and say obscene things will still say them.
Mentality of men AND I think someone should cover up. Cause I feel it can give off the wrong impression.
How can you blame a clothing item for the action of a rapist?
Sexual harassment and rape are different things. I agree with what you mean, but still, I see many people using both terms like synonyms.
@AleDeEurope ah, I didn't read it well. I do know there's a difference haha
The mentality of men and what behavior they think should go along with provacative clothing
I get hit on walking into a gas station with sweatpants, no makeup and flip flops on. I'm not even trying to be LOOKED at let alone LOOK attractive!
Women need to be stopped taken as 'sex toys'. If men can wear what the hell they want in public so can women. I have seen women being sexually harrassed with full clothing like nuns do. So it is all about the mentality which is sickening these days.
Clothes, a sassy walk and all made up can be the major cause. Some men are just itching to harass anyway.
Both. But if a guy is decent he won't harass anyone, even if she's dressed immodestly. But if a girl dresses in a provocative way, then she's putting herself in the position to be harassed by the indecent guys. So both play a part
If I guy was jogging in his boxer shorts, how many girls would sexual harass him?
Now if a girl was jogging in her bra and panties?
I rest my case.
If chris hemsworth was jogger in his boxers, you won't thibk anything of it when he runs past you? I rest my case
@Scooby225 Good point xD But I mean, there is admiring, and there is harassing and assaulting. I'm not saying there aren't any females that also harass, but the percentage in men is far greater.
tatirdac doesn't get out of her country much.
@Bobbyhill1 True, im not a city girl xD
Honestly men to blow it off as nothing more so than women. But than again men tend to be more loud when comes to cat calling
I think it's entirely on the men. I see girls in revealing clothes all the time and I've never sexually harassed anyone because I was taught to treat people with respect
Why is this limited to men who harass women? I've been catcalled, and sexually assaulted in public by women. And it's just attitude, not the receiver.
It's limited to men because that was the question asked. The mentality of men and women are not the same. If you want the role reversal, as a separate question. I never denied women do it, but the question was why men do it.
Are you talking legitimate harassment, or how a feminist extremists gets all bent out of shape when a guys says, "hello"?
Oh goodie, fingerpointing. Depends on perspective. I would say it's a combination of both.
The funny part is, women dress that way to be noticed. Well, you're noticed, alright. Be careful of what you wish for :)
The mentality of men. There has always been harassment regardless of how women were dressed. It's up to society to protect women from unruly men.
If you say clothing... what you are really saying if the harassers can't control themselves.
It is due to societal values and treating people different due to appearance. It is much bigger than dress or mentality. But I lean more towards mentality
People need to pick up on the fact that you can only control yourself. When you're dressing to get attention, you're gonna end up getting attention from the wrong men.
And if you own a lot of money, you're gonna get attention from burglars. And yet we don't blame theft on the people for being rich, now do we?
First of all, stop disregarding what I say because it hurts your little Feminazi feelings. Second of all, I never said they deserve to be harassed. What I said was, you can only control yourself, and as a result you have to take into account that there are people in the world who don't have good intentions. In the case of your example, the rich people are not smart for leaving their money around for a burglar to steal. Do they deserve it? No. Did the burglary happen because of their lack of care? Yes
Lmao just so you know, when you start off your argument with an ad hominem attack, you automatically cast doubt on the legitimacy of pretty much everything else you say. All I'm saying is that we as a society place far more blame on victims of rape who have "dressed provocatively" (when, by the way, there is no data that I'm aware of showing that dressing provocatively actually increases one's chance of being assaulted, and plenty of data suggesting there to be no or very little correlation), than on victims of pretty much any other crime who might have acted somewhat rashly but not overly unreasonably. Like, we don't say that people who don't want to be attacked just shouldn't leave their house, now do we?
I agree with the thing about blaming victims, but I don't get why it's such an insult to tell people to tell people not to drink too much at a party. You can only control yourself and when you pass out from drinking too much, you just have to accept that bad things can happen to you. When a hurricane is coming, do people prepare for their safety or do they run around crying "I don't deserve this."
I don't fucking care about the ad hominem, are you gonna say with a straight face that there was absolutely nothing valid in what I was saying?
My issue is not with encouraging people to be responsible for their own safety, it's with the way we treat sexual assault so much differently from most other crimes. In the case of sexual assault, personal responsibility is no longer encouraged, but rather effectively required, which is the issue at the root of victim blaming. If someone gets assaulted, the main issue is not what the victim was doing wrong, but what the attacker was doing. Sexual assault or harassment on the other hand gets treated far differently, with the victim often being essentially interrogated about what THEY were doing to bring the assault upon themselves. Not the case all the time, but it's a common enough occurrence that it's fair to consider it a systemic issue. So what I'm suggesting is not that emphasis on personal responsibility is unimportant, but rather that it's over-emphasized in the case of sexual assault as compared to other crimes.
Provocative clothing doesn't help but it's definitely not the cause
Neither. it's the mentality of the sexual assaulter in particular
I've been catcalled by (mostly) older men regardless of what i wear or how i look that day.
Both. In comparision to more conservative countries - yes, sexual harassment happens there as well, BUT it happens less often.
You mad, conservative countries have problem of sexual harrassment in equal measure, if not more
The fact that this even needs to be questioned is worrying.
It's obviously a matter of mentality. It's frankly insulting to men that some people act like they're brainless animals and have no self control when they see a skirt.
everyone has there disciplinary level. for some guys the "I must cat call this person meter" isn't very high. so they're more likely to do it. there are many factors that play a role I this behavior. the clothing the female wears, the attractiveness of the female to the guy, are just a few when you break it down like this. also the roles could be switched females can catcall men for the same reasons. but this is just my insight/thought process on the matter.
It's due to work on building sites being so damn boring.
That usually only happens in places with many people. I guess they think they can get away with it when your compacted in tight places with lots of people like the subway.
solely the mentality of men. men can walk around shirtless and a woman isn't going to groap him or sexually harass him but let it be a female in a tight dress and she's "asking for rape" 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
Because most women don't get turned on seeing men walk around shirtless.
exactly
you should be able to wear whatever it is you want and not hear the comments that we're making behind your back because we should do it at an appropriate volume
mental I think the clothes are just an excuse used.
Both. It is the mentality of some men that causes this to happen but provocative clothing adds fuel to the fire.
What about an event that could qualify as sexual harrassment but instead leads to a one night stand? What do you think? Is that due to the mentality of the woman. Or was it the man's provocative clothing?