The problem is people use the same word to mean different things. So one person can say we are equal meaning we are a citizen of the same country and governed under the same law and would prefer to be persecuted no more than any other person and/or valued just as much or you as a government should have no claim to our funds, bodies, and autonomy. On the other hand you could say x=y meaning that whatever x is is no different in outcome from whatever y is. So in this sense I could never be equal to you no matter what characteristics you and I have. Sometimes people use equal to mean we are on the same playing field, e. g. we are equals in this firm. Meaning you and I occupy the same level of responsibility within this company. Lastly some people use equal to mean we share enough characteristics that you should see me and value me as you do yourself. For example we are both human so in that sense we are equal. You have a brain and a body coded from DNA that's 99.9% exactly the same as mine and that.1% difference that you're judging me on is most likely nowhere near close to being proven to be important for the success of humanity as a whole so as a human if you care about yourself and anyone else that is human it's in your best interest to treat me as you would treat those you love if not better.
All humans are entitled to Equal rights.
however, All humans are different.
to quote Charles ZI Britannia
"All men are not created equal. Some are born smarter, or more beautiful or with parents of greater status. Some, by contrast, are born weak of body or of mind, or with few, if any, talents. All men are different. Yes, the very existence of man is discriminatory! That is why there is war, violence, and unrest. Inequality is not evil. Equality is!"
in the sense, i agree that equal outcome and forced equality on the grounds of equal representation as not to offend is evil
you get an atrocity when you start thinking everyone is purely equal and no one is better than another. that leads to looking at people like gear's in a machine.
you also get an atrocity when you think some in superior in every regard without proper evidence. while different groups are better at different things yes, none are good at everything.
the only way is by accepting Humans have base rights on the grounds of Order but recognizing difference and promoting difference. but not making difference your mantra or basing all of society on having to represent everybody
No, men and women are not equal. Bcoz God didn't created us equal. He created a master and his slave. Its women who are physically weak than men, they ve 2 go through menstrual pain and discomfort every month, they ve to bear pain when hymen gets broken, man can rape a woman but for woman its not possible for to rape man bcoz of biology. Women have to bear pain of pregnancy, they ve 2 go through process of difficult menopause and list continues. As we evolved and more developed brains we are looking each other as equal and its mutual understanding tht we giving each other respect. But biologically whoever created us made women to serve only.
And yes I forgot to mention tht its not necessary for women to get orgasm to get pregnant. So many women find difficult to achieve orgasm by sex only. Sometimes we get and sometimes we fake to not hurt partner's ego. Now where is the question of equal when it comes to physical satisfaction?
I guess its common knowledge,
if its not then at least I am aware that most women don't have orgasm due to penetration alone and they at times fake it feed the ego of their ignorant partners.
but I didn't get the logic behind the point behind saying that it is not necessary for a woman to have an orgasm to get pregnant?
It's fascinating to me that you'd use God as an example of how men and women aren't equal, but then conveniently leave out the fact that Jesus came to serve, not be served. Therefore, if man is like Jesus and the woman is like the church, then woman is also to be served by man, in addition to serving man; but I don't believe that man is only like Jesus in a marriage relationship. He's also unlike Jesus, because he's not Jesus. If man were Jesus, then yes, it'd make sense (on a religious level) that woman would only serve him; but, seeing as He's not, she's also to be served.
ugh.. no. We aren't slaves we are help maids. God made women so man wouldn't be a lone. Why does everyone thinks God sees us as some low life scum? He doesn't. Otherwise He wouldn't have created us, then men would of had to have to go through everything the woman goes through. Also not every woman has a difficult menstrual cycle, mines last about 3 days with no pain what so ever.. maybe slight pressure but thats about it.
Statistically, women and men are different from each other but I think everybody deserves to be respected because at the end of the day, we are all human and we all have feelings... It's not fair for one gender to get more of the attention or the freedom and sympathy than another gender. I am a female myself and I personally don't like how people seem to care more about us than guys. Men need the same amount of love as we get!!! Well, at least only the good dudes. I wasn't talking about the bad ones
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Men and women are not equal in every aspect and it's about damn time the world accepted it. Men are naturally stronger than women. Women are better critical thinkers and multi-taskers than men (yes, this has been recently proven with several different studies, get over it.)
Plus, we're all individuals so what we can do person by person varies tremendously. We are not equal. It's not the end of the world.
yeah extremist feminists want total equalisation if not extinction of men. people confuse equal rights to being exactly the same.
@beautifulguy12 said who? your grandpa? get a grip of reality mate. noone is superior, the moment one puts himself on the "superior" wagon, he is already on the losing side. why? you need lots of growing still, to comprehend why... .
@levantine99 Who said?
I said. If I say it is then it is true.
You should trust people.
You are inferior to males and you will stay that all your life.
@levantine99 Don't feed the troll please 😂😂😂
I am not a troll.
I am a human. I promise!
So why do most of them fail at business, not bashing. It's a fair question.
why are most successful people men?
and also studies maybe flawed, you'd have to attach a link to such a claim.
women are stronger than men sometimes.
@Godofbliss because woman are mosly gold diggers and don't work for success
@CancerKnowsItAll Uh, speak for yourself boo lol. Maybe you're a gold digger but all the women I know have careers lol
The multi-tasking part is absolutely true. Women are better at using several parts of their brains at once, whereas men tend to be linear thinkers. The critical thinking portion is debatable, as there have been no conclusive studies one way or the other (and there have been many that support both sides), and also because it's very difficult to attach a metric to something as abstract as critical thinking. There is a critical thinking appraisal test, but the results are virtually the same across genders.
Long story short: Women are better big-picture thinkers, a skill required for managers and organizers, whereas men are better at following a process like a baking recipe or instruction manual.
@elarra I'm not a gold digger I think that men and woman are equal and should work for their success not be a gold digger I wasn't even looking for a guy when I was single
one thing I know from lived experience, but which no sociology study would ever dare test. women are more sentimental than men, and thus less able to make hard choices. that test about whether you would actively kill one person to save a large number of lives - men usually make the objectively right choice, while women get hung up on how it makes them feel. and that goes triple if the one death is their child, or double if it's a fellow woman. they never grasp the idea of cold calculus, either in sheer numbers or in a logical evaluation of people's measurable worth. and in my opinion that makes them unsuitable for large-scale leadership roles. they weren't kept as homemakers for centuries as a way of keeping them down; it's simply what they tend to be good at, caring about the little things, which matter to the people who matter to her.
Andro. Nice. I prefer my cops, firefighters , soldiers , to be men , but I'd never deny a women the right to be one if she can't meet minimum standards for everyone_ not lesser standards for women to pass
@androcentrist Women were not home-makers for all of human history. Just in recent history. Female prostitutes helped settle the Old West. Sumerian society was led by the priestesses (who were also, basically, glorified prostitutes). And the billions of slave, serf and peasant women throughout history worked the fields just like everyone else. Hmong women are hunters. Ancient Persian women were warriors. Tamil women used to take many husbands and own land. Your upbringing does not reflect the rest of human history.
Your claim that women are more sentimental, which I'm taking to mean "driven by emotion", is also incorrect. Outside of worry/anxiety/fear, men feel every other emotion stronger than women, including ones that can really fuck with your decision making like anger and, even worse, happiness.
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u Of course men and women are different biologically. Everyone would agree on that (except the PC crowd that thinks a guy who wants to be a woman IS a woman.)
The psychological differences seem rather obvious to me when you compare a "normal" woman and a "normal" man. However, there are men who are very effeminate and women who are very masculine in their personality, so these differences are not as consistent as the biological differences.
Men and women are almost treated equally under the law. Of course, some differences are recognized. E. g., men are not hired to be the coach of the girls' high school softball team. There are some things for which gender is a bona fide occupational qualification within the context of our traditional culture. However, gender should not be a disqualifying factor when we talk about men and women having rights secured by the US Constitution, federal statutes, state constitutions, and state statutes.
They should be equal in the eyes of the law, and where practical, given equal opportunities (but not for example in terms of serving in front line combat positions).
But to deny there are differences, and that each gender has its own qualities, is the surefire mark of an idiot.
They aren't equal in an exact sense - they are different. However, legally and the like we should be, and relatively are, equal. At least in the west.
actually women are given preferential treatment in West.
@Godofbliss in some cases yes, you have a point.
i Think de are treated differently in some aspects. sometimes women get the upper hand and sometimes men get the upper hand
@pinkidestroyer Agreed.
we're all different. no human is the same and obviously the differences between men and women are clear. biology wise no we are not equal. but we should be equal in terms of how we are treated by society, application of laws, etc
men & Women being 'equal' refers to the law. in the eyes of the law women and men are equal citizens. the purpose of this is precisely BECAUSE no one is born equal. law is meant to equalize what is unequal.
society, law, personhood, membership, are social construct. a woman is a female person. a man is a male person. men & women are constructs. no one says male & female are equal bc they are not. nor is any human being. legally people are meant to be equal under the law. well, on free societies. and of course even with laws and free societies people-women men, different backgrounds, creeds, etc, are not treated 'equally'. a law is one thing, enforcing it is another, responding to it or not appropriately is yet another, and changing laws to better fit a free society is another still.
the women and men are equal. mantra gets debated and repeated bc people confuse LAW- with biology, social custom, personal and anecdote.
as for respecting differences. i agree. but that goes for everyone. women and women men and men and everyone under the rainbow. but respecting a difference and predetermining what that difference must be, is not respecting the person, it is the opposite. If you approaching people as being the 'difference' that you decide exists- on whatever basis you decide , you are actually treating them all the SAME, not 'different.
most people do not fit cleanly into any slot. it is not helpful to decide women are purple and men are green, when many women will be turquoise yellow and any other color.
people are 'different' does not mean there is a recipe for a person based on any particular trait sex belief ethnicity or otherwise.
as far as anyone being the 'same'. this is not possible. women and men are not the 'same' no one is the 'same' but humans have humanistic traits. with many variations within the same spectrum of 'human'. and more similarities are found within people of different sex / race than of the same. for example, a woman and man raised in Canada, who had similar upbringing are going to share more traits than a woman and a woman 1 raised in Canada the other brought up Saudi Arabia. likewise woman and man vs Man and Man.
A Chinese person and black person raised in Canada will share traits compared to a Chinese person raised in Canada and an Black person raised in Tibet.
A male and Female basket ball player who train 12 hours a day , are going to have more in common than a Male plumber and a Female business Woman.
A Hispanic & African farmer will; have m, lore in common than A hispanic Dr and a hispanic runway model.
Men and women are equal in value as human beings. Life is precious. But men and women are different biologically and as tough as women have to be to survive in this still male dominated world, I believe it's a tough protective self preservation shell women use to protect their hearts. Men can crush a women's heart without looking back. Most assuredly, a man may may find a strong connection with a woman , but a man is always able to walk away and move on with ease. A woman , though, will be crushed, devastated , and mourn his loss for a long time.
We are not equal because we are not the same.. our bodies and our brains are physiologically different and we are wired to respond differently. That's the beauty of it.
But we each deserve equity. Equity is receiving what each needs. The resources and power and authority aren't
Shared equality. you should get what you need. For example, and I'm going to get crap for this, take two professional care lawyers, one male, one female. Chances are the man is going to be a better lawyer, working harder, smarter , longer hours. Yeah he should make more money than the female lawyer. No matter how tough that female lawyer tries to be and thinks she is, there are going to be times when she will break down and cry from pressure or hurt feelings. I think you would be hard pressed to find a man who cries when someone hurts his feelings.
If talking generalities, you can't say men are superior overall because there are guys who set firecrackers off on their heads. I would not trust my life decisions to that man. I would , however, to a smart competent man what a relief to take that burden off me.
People have their individual strengths and weaknesses and expertise. If a women happens to be competent st DziY, for example, and enjoys it, then wouldn't she
be superior to men in this case? Well probably not. One time I was installing a pacer patio myself but when it came to using a wet saw fir cutting pavers, I was too scared I called a male friend to do it with such ease I was in awe.
I think nowadays, it's a very rare and special man who is intelligent enough and responsible enough and trustworthy enough to make all the life decisions. Women are emasculating men and men are sadly not men as they should be, at least IMHO.
And women just talk too f*cking much lol
you know nothing about being a man. if we handle rejection any better than you, it's only because we suffer it nonstop and have no choice but to get over it. we feel utterly crushed and desolated too…not when a relationship ends, but when it fails to begin. every time we smile at a woman and she turns away, it reminds us how worthless you all think we are. you at least have to have a few weeks or years of feeling in love before you have to deal with heartbreak; for us, it's the default.
Andro. You're right I don't know anything about being a man. I just know how it looks to us girls. I'm sorry if I discounted the deep feelings men can have about being rejected but you don't go home and cry., do you? Don't you go exercise or something?
No, I just squander my life on self-destructive behaviors, such as getting into Internet arguments, because I have nothing to live for as long as I don't have a woman in my life.
As far as getting the same pay and the right to vote yes. But for the most part no. Women have different strengths then men. Jobs like oil rigging mining and other physical labor jobs like that, most women can handle it. Women have to worry when they walk down the street by them selves because they don't know what creep is in the bushes waiting for them (it's rare but always a consideration) men are taken less seriously when it comes to rape charges. Women can say a guy raped her by looking at them the guy might get off but his life is destroyed. Physical men arnt equal how we prosecute people isn't equal. I'm not gonna get started on porn industry or anything else but men and women arnt equal
The use of "equal" in the question throws it off. The opposite of different is same. Not equal. A synonym for same is equal, sure. But with using different and equal people think "equal treatment /rights".
No, of course men and women are not the same. We are very different. We each have different skills to ensure the reproduction and survival of our species.
In that aspect, one is not wholly better than the other. We are generally "better" at different things, skills, and mindsets. And we could be better served to acknowledge those general gender differences when making career or romantic choices, in addition to individual character.
*I accidentally added this as a reply to another's response but meant to add it as my own response*
I was talking about this on Monday with a female friend of mine and she agreed with me. Biologically we're not equal, of course not. There are biological differences and hormonal differences than can influence certain behaviors (men are more aggressive due to more testosterone, for example). There differences aren't bad though, not really.
Aside from that, we're not different. The same happiness men feel, women feel the well, the same sadness, the same pain and so on. Therefore, socially, nobody should be different. Right and duties should be the same, but we're still far from achieving that and for both sides there are still social advantages and disadvantages.
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Men and women are equal in value in our society but certainly not equal in functions to our society. We both have strengths. Also our weaknesses, which we both complement each other with our strengths. We are unique in our different ways, and even the uniqueness of women should be celebrated, not downplayed.
No matter how much we try to be equals in function, It is still evident women would much prefer working in different fields than men when you take a step back and examine the decisions women make in our sociery even when given all options. This clearly from biological and psychological reasons that no amount of nuture can change.
So yes, the genders have different unique strengths and they should both be celebrated, not downplayed.
They're different. They're like yin and yang. One isn't better than the other, both have their strengths and weaknesses in different departments, and they compliment one another.
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@Colombiano_alex LOL that hashtag
I think we are the same species, and we are supposed to work together as a cohesive unit, us against the world.
And I think anybody trying to spread gender warfare and divisiveness and turn us all against each other and have us at each other's throats are rogue agents, infidel defilers, and cancer cells within the greater society. And maybe they don't need to be rounded up and killed, per se, but I think it's time to commence beatings, at the very least.
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Two things may be equal AND different.
For example, a red MM and a green one. They taste the same even though they are different colors.
In much the same way, men and women have similar needs, motivations, and capabilities (obviously these vary somewhat on an individual basis). Yes, there are physical and hormonal differences between men and women. But they aren't nearly as important as upbringing, experiences, training, etc. A man and a woman with similar life experiences are far more similar to each other than to others of the same gender from different backgrounds.
The takeaway is that a person shouldn't be treated with any less respect solely because of gender, because it is not as important of a difference as we often make it out to be.
you talking about men and women? what if I say every individual is different, physically, emotionally, biologically. Becuase every single organism like any animal, any bird, any tiger any human your friend, your girlfreind, they all are evolved out in different condition and different situations. Everyone has a different opinion about anything which depends on how they evolved out as. and they will keep on evolving like after million year from now, you never know, you become a flying creature or your girlfriend become a reptile. This world is full of endless possibilities. So, yeah, everyone are different.
I heard that the environment you're surrounded by will change your genetic blueprint and we'll adapt it to your environment that's some crazy shit and it won't take millions of years it can just be in your lifetime
it's funny how you ended up on endless possibilities because when the possibilities become endless and realistic that's shit gets weird and science becomes Magic lmfao
@Colombiano_alex Do you want me to say that you are god and whatever you say is shut pratishut correct?
what did you say? pratishut?
@Colombiano_alex shut pratishat means without a doubt?
of course they are different, just take a look at male vs female athletes. specifically tennis the best female player out there would barely be in the top 100 of men. take strength and agility, again the top goes to men. take sports where speed is necessary, yet again, men. that having been said women are better at people interactions, better with groups, and better at handling many things at once where men are linear thinkers. women can also bring life into this world. when it comes to rights however we are equal.
Men are equal to men and women are equal to women night is night and day is day the mistake I make is I take life for granted and don't treat each day like it was my last day alive I am so fucken spoiled and just plain rotten rotten because I just don't do it and I won't wake up tomorrow and do it and knowing I am the change if I choose to be but my best friend misery loves my company I think we will be best friends for the rest of my life swing how sweet is that I can disqualify my own life I mean fuck it right at least I do what I want when I want I feel late for kindergarten so bye 👋 bye 👋 y'all
People don't understand romanticism these days!
Okay, I see the problem here.
"Equal" does not mean "identical." It means being the same in quantity, size, degree, or value -- it doesn't mean being a carbon copy.
2+7 is equal to 4+5, because they both add up to 9, but they're not identical equations. You see?
I love this analogy!
so, you one of those people who bring math into every conversation?
Since we are different, why on earth would be treated equally?
I get that we are equal in value to society, but we certainly shouldn't be treated the same. I'm talking about equity, NOT equality.
@Joti_Harrison Just because something or someone is different, it doesn't necessarily make them better, or worse, just different.
I feel we should be treated more with equity rather than equality. Society should make laws to accommodate our differences not treat us with equal standing. Certain standards women or men will find it more difficult to meet in different field.
These differences should be taken into consideration in our laws. That is equity, not equality.
@Joti_Harrison I'm not trying to argue against equity, I'm just pointing out that saying that people can be different and still be equals.
The original post didn't mention how people should be treated; it just said "men and women aren't equal, they're different!" I was just arguing that this statement seemed to stem from a misunderstanding of what the word "equal" meant to begin with.
@Joti_Harrison equity is the reason why things like affirmative action exists and that has no place in society.
I think we're equal, but that doesn't necessarily mean we're the same. No sex is superior to the other overall, but in general, we have different strengths and weaknesses. If people spent less time trying to convince others about each sex's superiority, then we'd have more time to see how we complement each other. Stronger together and all that jazz
I agree. Men and women are different and it isn't sexist to say we are. There are things men can do that women can't, and things women can do that men can't, there are even things men can't do that other men can do and that's the same with women LOL. I think, in regards to the law, people want more equality between the genders so that everyone feels their needs are valued.
We are legally supposed to be as equal as is possible to be, given that we have different biology and different needs and perspectives.
We can't be the SAME, as we are very different in many ways, but we should strive to be as equal as practicality allows. We aren't completely there yet legally, but it's closer than it's ever been in the US, and mostly improving to close the remaining gaps.
having differences dont mean tgat you are superior or inferior to the others. currently the biggest problem is probably that feminism want to have their right and i believe its ok but we need to work together not only the womens. the way they are fighting for change most of the time only include womens but its a society problem where evryone is included not only a gender
They are equal. Not in the psychological or biological sense, but the respect and treatment they deserve from the society. Like if a job or a position is not gender specific, both genders have a right on it.
This is what I feel equality is supposed to be. I could be wrong of course, correct me if I am. :)
Both. Something can be different from something else but still equally important, and neither better nor worse, superior nor inferior. Different people can also have equal rights in a society. This is what is meant by "men and women are equal." Not that men and women are the same in every way.
I think there's kind of a Libertarian separate, but equal answer. Women are better at multitasking than men and typically rely more on their EQ than IQ for decision making. But, in terms of employment, even if women are always paid the same as men, the catch is that there will always be certain jobs men are more willing to do than women such as washing windows on a scaffold on a skyscraper, or working construction. The question is not if women can do those jobs, but whether they want to in high numbers? Conversely, how many men would want to be a flight attendant or a florist?
How are men and women biologically and psychologically unequal? If they were equal (on a biological and psychological level), how would that minimize their differences?
@SteppingOnRoses , do you have anything to add to this user's comment about equality and differences?
I believe he has a healthy approach on the subject
although we have simmilarities be it on a biological and psychological level... we also differ in many aspects regarding these two...
but that is ok as long as there is respect
equality isn't about how different or how simmilar we are, but it is about recognizing all humans... men and women, even of different races, deserve the same oportunities and rights...
because today we know that no matter the differences we have, those are not things that makes someone superior or inferior to the other...
and it just makes it so that we have different strenghts (and i want to make it clear it doesn't mean we also can't have the same strenghts lol - especially on an intelectual level), that vary also from individual to individual (it is not just about gender), and that can bring different advantages to the table...
a more diverse society is a richer society... because different ideas/opinions, ways of thinking are what doesn't allow us to
remain stale, but evolve instead
and this is also why i believe men and women have to work together for equality. it can't be just the women working... because both sexes have their own insiights on the issue. to exclude one sex from the discussion is overlookin problems that women are not aware of, because they are not men.
also, if equality is to be achieved... men need to learn to treat women equally... (same for women in treating men equaly, but i refer men, since we mostly have feminism, but no masculinism lol), and for them to do so and also to voice their own concerns regarding their gender, they need to be included...
on another, different note, this is also why I support globalization
it has its disadvantages, but no matter how much people may want to become more nationalist than ever nowadays, especially with the problems in the world like terrorism, truth is that globalization is also what makes us evolve as a society, because it allows us easier contact with other cultures and realities... and when people know something by contacting with it, naturally they fear the differences less... they see we are all only human and hahve much to learn by establishing engaged dialogue with each other. it's an enriching process indeed.
the same dialogue should be promoted on a smaller scale, between men and women. this is the only way to achive equality. Not by having feminists (misguided feminsts) shouting at men's ears and bashing and blaming a whole gender for our problems.
That only makes things worse, since many men would be willing to work with us women, if only they got from us an ounce of respect
and that is also all really that we want from them too, respect towards us women.
But women can only demand respect from men, when them, themselves, offer men the same courtesy of respect...
The real problem is when we blame others for our problems, indiscriminatedly...
it is true some men do not respect women...
but it is not by generalizing and attacking all men (because women stereotype them) that we will achieve anything. In fact we will be only destroying any progress we have made and undermining the trust of men. Men are half of our society, and in many cases, half of our families and half of our hearts... so... we can't just treat them like dirt because we feel we need a punching bag for our problems...
thats it. and mayb i got a bit off track
but this is why most men have problems with the word feminism... many women dont know how to use feminism... they use it as a weapon, rather than a way to try and bridge gaps between men and women. and this isn't equality... this is
promoting division and retrocess...
and to answer it directly lol... to minimize those differences, biological and psychological... what we can do is try to talk with one another... and try the best to understand each other's points of view. This is really the only way to minimize the differences. even if they will always be there. and that is ok.
the real important thing is how we approach those differences... froma perspective of unity and understanding... or from a perspective of division and non cooperation...
Both cover the gaps the over can't cross. I'm in the school of thought of maximize your own talent and if everyone works togather we can rule the world ow wait we did.
So now we need to ether equal power amongst ourselfs or crush the weak to crush the stars around us. So now is it physically possible to be the first to rule the galaxy or is it best to maximize our current world. With our current understanding of the speed of light I think maximize our world.
Equal and different.
For instance, the distance from Albany NY to Montréal QC is basically equal to the distance from Albany NY to Philadelphia PA yet the getting to either city from Albany is vastly different because of direction of travel and QC is in Canada.
They are different, yet equal.
Depend equal in what ! Laws, body, hormones, mind, expectation of what their lifes should be, etc... Are not equal. But equal as both are human, sure ! And should be respected and loved equally. Rest is different for very logical reasons. Only spirituality, seems to see and honor thoses differences without making things "equal", since a man has a bit of female in him and a female got a bit of man in her. (Ying-Yang, as said in another comment, for example)
we are obviously different but we still the same beside the obvious physical differences neurologically women are wired differently than men and they can problem-solve and differentiate colors and are more connect two emotions biologically speaking to keep everybody together
Equality isn't that simple. We'll never be completely equal within our societal roles for biological reasons out of our control. That's not to say that men are superior or inferior, but rather to recognize that we are in fact very different. This isn't my opinion either, this is based on biological facts. Not one person's opinion can change our biology.
I agree with yah mate. but sadly that's no longer how the society works. woman are fighting 24/7 for more "equal" rights. but what they don't realise is that it never will happen. physically we are more dominant by nature and I don't see that changing any time soon.
Males and females differ in many respects, most notably physically. Due to this, some jobs, careers, and activities may favor men over women or vice versa. For example, the ufc has female and male competitors. If Cris Cyborg were to step in the ring with any 145 pound guys in the promotion, chances are she will be chewed up and the fight would be a spectacle/ not a serious fight.
Despite one's sex, everyone should be able to enjoy equal rights.
They're equals in a relationship. They're equal in intelligence. They have earned the right for equal pay provided they can do the work. If she can lift 50 lb. boxes onto a truck, she should be payed the same. Differently built physically obviously. They're perfectly put here to compliment each other, not to compete against each other.
No, it's physically and emotionally impossible. But what they're equal in is human qualities and mentality, so that's about it. "Women are here to do what Men can't do, and that's what makes them beautiful".
We need them, they need us. It's how nature works.
They are different, and equal... Just like man are different from them and equal to themselves. I personally oppose people who look at ALL aspects of their lives based on gender, including feminists. And I don't look at people based on their gender but simply consider them people with end to themselves.
Only a true sexist talks and thinks about the division of gender all the time, instead of accepting that we are all the same yet entirely different on some things.
They must be equal because first of all we are all humans before genders get involved. Nobody is going to get my human rights from me. But when you talk about genders we are not equal women are better at some things and men at others biologically and physically and that's just the facts.
not in everything they are superior in some aspects of life and women in others
yeah women superior in the kitchen.
I dont mind when women make me sandwiches.
lol you are ignorant. Delete this app learn something about the world and then install it again.
you call people ignorant every time when they say the truth?
If I call you ugly which is true, are you gonna call me ignorant again?
You are ignorant because women are capable for more than just making sandwiches. And if you think I am ugly I don't even care every person is attracted to different people.
They are both different AND equal. Both sides of the same coin. You respect and celebrate the differences. Historically, these differences have resulted in the subjugation of women for centuries. To me, this has held back the real development of society.
We're different. Men are generally: stronger, more rationally minded, and mentally/emotionally tougher. Women are generally: weaker, think in terms of how something makes them/others feel, and are more sensitive. Is it sexist? Yes. Nature /God is "sexist" But it's a good thing. We compliment one another.
I never said that. You're the one assigning value to certain traits. I never once said nor implied that any trait was better or worse than another one. You're assuming I share your apparent value system. And also, look up statistics and studies on it. Men generally have more gray matter in our brains; gray matter is associated with logical/linear thinking. Men are obviously generally physically stronger, you don't need a study to see that. And lastly, when I said men are stronger emotionally. Look at all the jobs that require one to remain calm under stress and to not freak out. Eg: Military, fire fighters, police officers, etc; the majority of people who hold these occupations are men.
@disgustingweebtrash I think you'll enjoy this conversation between he and I. 😂
@the_RED_pill I'd love your opinion on this my dude.
In a societal and cultural context, who do we look up to? Do we look up to those who didn't make it? The ones who weren't strong enough to be a lineman, fast enough to be a running back, or agile enough to be a wise receiver? Do we look up to those who dropped out of college and never got their ph. D? Do we look up to those who quit acting, singing, or directing, or do we look up to those who are strong? Those who made it. And tell me, how many women are successful today, and how many men? I'd say - at least in the entertain industry - men and women are both strong in their own ways.
Taylor Swift, Ronda Rousy, and J. K. Rowling aren't outliers. They're pioneers - leading the way for other women to show the world that sexist assumptions (like yours) are indeed false. Just you wait, women will arise; and when they do, you'll see. Well, it'd be better for you if you saw before then (and you might still not accept it when that happens), but, it'd still be better to accept it now rather than later.
@Eswarby He generalized the biological differences between male and female as a whole, while you're nitpicking at the superfluous psychological differences. Of course a woman can be anything a man can and vice versa in today's society, psychologically speaking. Biologically, on the other hand, there's a very clear reason why males "lead the herd" so to say. And not just humans, look at animals; dominant males are leaders of the pack.
People don't fit into cute little generalizations, and one would know that if they'd analyze as closely as I do. Always in nature will there be an example that contradicts nature. For example, the female penguin is the one who chooses the male mate she'll mate with for life, while the male is the one who sits on the egg once it's been laid until it hatches. Female lions are the food winners for their prides. Within the animal kingdom are plenty of examples to display room for variation.
You lost me. What is your point?
And you do. Understood 👌👍
All you have proved so far is that you will fight to the death for being right. You want a gold star, I get it. I just have none to offer you.
I'm arrogant, yes, and I will work hard to show how my logic is sound, but if you fault me for that, then you have to fault every other competitor in the nation for the same thing... showing the nation that they're one of the best. So whoever you look up, now sucks according to your logic.
You're still here. Debating yourself against my observations. So tell me, what are your motivations?
I look up to you.
"It's neither a fair nor accurate conclusion you've drawn about my motivations." Right back at ya bud.
I didn't draw any conclusions about your motivations to look up to me. I commentated on the WAY you looked up to me 😂 being condescending and passive aggressive has nothing to do with motivations. In fact, I don't know why you're being condescending and passive aggressive... that's an observation of behavior - not of motivation. Behavior is external. Motivation is internal.
This thread has gone absolutely nowhere positive. OP and I have gained absolutely nothing useful from your statements and rebuttals, and this is where I exit.
And by the way, your sentence structure and the way you structure your thoughts -- remind me of me when I unused to abuse adderall. Just saying. ✌
You claim to be so brilliant and such a fascinating analyst, with such strong driven motivation towards righteousness and yet you cannot discern a typo when you see one. My sincere apologies, for confusing you to such a degree that you chose to nitpick even that. How dare I do such a terrible and unforgivable act. You must be sitting on the edge of your seat, awaiting what reply comes next so you can analyze it with your super human abilities, attack the post and the person posting, but for what gain?
Fine, you win. Have your bag of candy. Have your lollipops. Have it your way. Nature is nature, male is male, female is female, penguin is penguin, typo is typo. Just let it go dude. You're 25. A quarter century old! And yet you pick fights with people on the internet.
You have earned your 1st place 🏆
You have defeated the mighty red pill, and the mighty y_tho. You came and you conquered. You mastered the impossible. Conqueror of evil and vanquisher of false opinions.
Always remember this day, for you are triumphant. A victor.
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We still love you bro, faults and all.
There's no shame in tapping out, @the_RED_pill
I know you have, I've read a number of your opinions that you have left for others. We love you bro. For who you are.
Wow, I didn't know people could be this retarded.
With such a childish and unproductive introduction, anything else you might have to say afterwards is greatly discredited.
@the_RED_pill Well, that sucks because I am red-pilled.
You just couldn't stay down, could you @the_RED_pill?
"Even a fool can be seen as wise if he keeps his mouth shut," but you, you have broadcasted to everyone here that you are foolish to the bone.
"With such a childish and unproductive" Finish, "anything else you might have to say afterwards is greatly discredited."
Nah, being a woman is better. Sure they do have bodily functions that can be unpleasant (periods, childbirth). But at least you can take a walk without anyone thinking your up to something. If a guy is alone, he's assumed to be a rapist or pedo, people cross the street to avoid you, you can't take a walk in a park because people think your checking out kids. Then if you are lucky enough to have a girlfriend, she'll have guys auditioning for her ALL THE TIME so she has a menu of options, while a guy has to go through the audition process all over again. After a break up the girls can find a new guy in a snap, the guy has to get over the break up, then go through meeting a new girls and building credibility with her to start a relationship which takes months. Guys waste more time in their life setting up for their life and having to repair it, while girls get to see who's life they want to be part of, try it out, then leave and move on.
I agree with you on this. Every person is kind of different because of the different circumstances in their lifes. Between men and women their is an even bigger gap. So it's important to see all these differences. But you can't forget that we are all humans and deserve all the same respect.
truthfully, equality is a stupid concept, nobody can be truly made equal, never, there will always be prejudice, even in and esp within the legal system, only people who truly understand and accept this can move forward and see beyond trying to do stupid things like give equal rights. it is the MOST correct thing to do when writing law cause nobody will object, but implementing is a whole different game, prejudice will always seep in, and I don't mean just based in gender.
It's the FI pushing their agenda. Men and women are simply not the same.
The 'equal' part comes in a relationship where they have equal say, equal power. But they're certainly not the same.
Part of the original goal of feminism was equal pay for the same job - I don't think anyone has a problem with that, but it's just not what it's all about today.
They say that they ARE equal, but they aren't. Society is used to treating women lower than men and old habits die hard. And then there are the feminazis, who say that women are more superior than men.
''Society is used to treating women lower than men''
really? who gets looked at funny if they dont give their seat up on a train/bus to a women? who is able to hit people and get away with it? who gets the media coverage for their problems? you have it better than ANY group in the western world, and you still aren't happy.
equality and differences don't have to be mutually exclusive--meaning we can still have differences and be equal (think of people of different ages, races etc) differences do not equal inferiority
They are a hell of a lot more equal than we are according to them. They have some other capabilities we don’t have like man hate and overall vindictiveness. If you want to understand them think man and remove all responsibility and accountability and then you are close.
Nothing is equal.
Nothing at all.
if 1 glass of water can be different from another in any way at all
be it how warm or cold it is or how much there is of it doesn't matter its impossible for both to be 100% equal
and if both genders were equal, then we might aswell have no gender at all and be asexual no? We're different so that we could take advantage of our own strengths, and support the weaknesses of others. the world would be boring without those strengths and weaknesses
If women were treated exactly the same as men they wouldn't like it. I can tell you that for a fact. Were not the same and should be treated the same in most things but not all.
Equal but different. There are obvious differences between us so we're not the same but a man and a woman should be treated equally, not as if one is superior or inferior to the other.
They are different and have equal rights... they are not the same or equal.
equal in society but biologically speaking we're different
Equal doesn't mean the same. We should be treated equally, but of course we're different.
If people aren't the same, why should the be treated equally though?
Extreme example: Do you treat a mass murderer the same as a billionaire?
@FakeName123 that was a horrible example, even if extreme
@FakeName123 There's always somebody...
I think you know exactly what I mean.
And billionaire has nothing to do with good or bad anyway. A billionaire can still be a murderer.
But either way, notice how in most developed countries prisoners, no matter the crime, still have human rights and will still have opportunities when/if they leave custody. It's because they're being treated equally, with adjustment for their crime, making them equal but different to others. Being fair to people isn't necessarily giving them the exact same thing. If you were starving to death, and some other guy was just hungry, and I gave you 4 burgers and the other guy 2 burgers, I've treated you both differently but fairly.
Being equal and treating people fairly means they must still be treated according to their personal circumstances. It's unfair and not being treated equally if I tell a guy with no legs to run somewhere, and a guy with legs to run to the same place. Get it?
So you are talking about two different things.
1. Equal infront of the law. Which on paper we definitely have achieve and if at all, then women are treated better by biased courts.
2. Equal outcomes.
To go with your example of giving one hungry guy 4 burgers and the other 2 burgers - who decides that 4 burgers is just? And why would you need to give that hungry guy 4 burgers to begin with? And who gives it to those guys (I assume the government)?
3. Why do people need to be treated according to their personal circumstances to begin with?
EQUITY! It's equity Equity. That's what everyone is saying really. We're not equal / the same , but if we get what's fair, it's Equity!
@Fancygoldfish no, women deserve equal sentences for the crime committed and luckily, a lot of judges dont fall for that crap of ''equity''. if you murderer someone we dont care about their ''circumstance'' they are a danger to society, and will be treated as such. We have had women get off easy, come back out and become a repeat offender. One example? a women driver who used to get drunk and get in her car was let off easy. She came out and did it again, this time to kill an entire family. Things like this can be avoided, if we do not treat certain groups of people like babies
@Fancygoldfish
And how exactly is equity fair? Just giving someone more, because he/she has less while someone else worked hard to get it?
@FakeName123 equity is for people who think they cannot succeed for being a minority or women but the real case is, if you think you can't succeed, then you won't. people have to transcend stigmas and stop letting people label them. depriving someone who deserves a job or a education is morally wrong on any level and is a big reason why we see a lot of men turning away from the education system which will do major damage.. a lot of deserving men have been denied access to schools and work forces for ''diversity'' but I guess its morally ok if it doesn't happen to them. two wrongs doesn't make a right. We dont deprive people just because they happen to be men, as they wouldn't like it the other way around. Equity is crap, you do not define a man by his gender. isn't that what we have been fighting against since the 60s supposedly? sexism and racism? well in the case of white males, thats not entirely true and this is..
coming from a minority himself who has seen his white father struggle with mental illness, ptsd from war, depression, homelessness and on the brink of killing himself, yet I am supposed to believe he was privileged for what group he belonged too? would it be more convincing if he had darker pigment like me? then can he play the equality card? or what if he decided to say he felt like a women?
yeah everybody here heard that men n women r equal.. but I think we are not equal.. and this is beautiful that how men n women inequality balances everything.. men can't b beautiful and women can't b like men.. so yes we are not equal.
They are equal and different. Just depends what you're talking about. Men's and women's bodies are different, but equally amazing. Men and women have the same capabilities for intelligence. So on and so forth.
he's right
@gregnator Actually that's false. Theaverage IQ is the same but distributed differently. Men have more geniuses and also more idiots. Women have more average IQ. All by percentage of population of course.
as every day goes by i deal with people who have no clue how to drive wich 85% of the time its women and when im on this app and facebook 75% of the time its women posting idiotic comments and statements.
men and women deserve equal rights as humans.. but no men and women are not biologically and physically equal.. we create more problems by trying to eliminating the differences which cannot really happen instead of acknowledging and accepting them
We are absolutely different. That in no way makes us unequal.
not so absolutely but not identical either.
Honestly, I agree with you. As a woman, I don't feel lesser than a man. Men and women are DIFFERENT and they were born to be.
Both?
Men and women are equally valuable and should be treated equally under the law. They are different just as all peoples are different.
This question reminds me of that Pewds' vid I just watched earlier. Watch this: youtu. be/rrDD5NTnoU4
😂😂😂
I watched that video the moment it dropped
and it is hilarious
but I didn't think if it during forming the question, the basis was the argument from the regressive left saying men and women are exactly are equals psychologically, biologically, etc.
and that there are no differences between the sexes
Women and men in my opinion are both humans of the same level though NOT the same. I'll be straightforward here but I DONT HAVE A PENIS, NOR YOU HAVE A VAGINA. Don't laugh here lmao but I mean humans need cooperation for civilization to grow. Without women, there won't be men, since who would give birth to the males? And without men, there will be no women, since who will father their children? Men and women have different roles in the society. But everyone HAS A CHOICE. A woman usually takes care of her children and the man provides for them. But this is the 21st century and women were given power. Women can be the breadwinners and sometimes we see men that take care of the children instead. The thing is, HUMANS WERE ALL GIVEN EQUAL RIGHT TO CHOOSE. We can all choose to be what we want to be, especially now. The women were seen as feminine and men as more masculine figure. So in the early era of civilization women weren't allowed to protect, they had to be protected instead.
And about biologically, as far as I know, the woman's clitoris is some sort of girl dick. It was supposed to be a dick but then became something else instead. search that up 😂
different physical , personal , psychological and personal from many perspectives such as love meaning cheating or loyality and morality changes from one location to another eastern minds than western minds so the are different even in duties and work
Men and women ARE different, simply because men are men and women are women. Because of that, there will be things that both men and women will have advantages over.
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