If Ashley Graham dies from weight related health issues aged 30 would it kill the fat acceptance movement in favour of a healthy lifestyle movement?

[PervinMervin29]

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[ebbyeb]

Just because she's a bit on the bigger end doesn't automatically mean that she's unhealthy.. Or anyone else in that sort of category.
You have to remember that not everyone has the same body type.. And women's bodies tend to store more fat than others, for one, but also, secondly, specifically for this woman, her fat simply stores in more noticeable areas.. But if you look closer at her body structure, you'll notice that her face, neck and arms are somewhat more to the thin side.. This is because the body tends to store fat in those areas as a last resort, in a way.
Also, the "fat acceptance" movement isn't about being like "yay! I'm fat! I enjoy the potential health risks and people looking at me in disgust despite the fact that I can't really help having this body!"

No.
It's more about accepting you as you are.. Yes, sure, people can alter and change their bodies, but that doesn't mean that the body that they originally have, they can't accept and love as is. You don't have to hate yourself to work on your health issues to then achieve something loveable.
The "fat acceptance" movement is more about loving yourself all along the way.
If you're fat and seemingly stuck that way, you still don't have to hate yourself.
If you're doing daily exercises to try and lose weight to get that dream body, you don't have to hate yourself for your current one.

That sort of thing.
Also, it's a way to say that the beauty industry has focused on anorexic, skinny females that're starving themselves for "beauty standards" for far too long.. And that anybody with any body type could be beautiful.. It's a way of showing how the other spectrum could be beautiful.

And to show people that this body type can also be accepted..
Hence..
"Fat acceptance"

[PervinMervin29]

Just because her body is storing all her fat in her bottom half doesn't mean she's not fat or healthy

[Jenny01234]

She had tummy tuck. Most plus size models do.
That’s why so many of their bathing suits look like granny patties.

[Jenny01234]

Panties

[PervinMervin29]

@Jenny01234 I think Kim Kardashian did that to allow her to put on weight on her hips and giant ass

[LegateLanius]

I was pretty sure Kim got ass implants

[PervinMervin29]

@LegateLanius on her thighs and hips too?

[LegateLanius]

i don't know

[wolfcat87]

She won't die at 30 from health problems. Most obesity problems are due to abdominal/stomach fat. She's lucky to have an hourglass shape which allows her to put on far more weight with far fewer health issues.

That being said, I don't know who she is. She has the same name as my best friend from high school!

With the way the media works, if any face of any movement they like dies, they will downplay the death while promoting a new poster person... Brainwashing propaganda at its finest.

[MlleCake]

What reason do you have to think her life will be shorter? She's not very overweight. Body mass is only one factor in health, and it doesn't make the difference you think it does.

[PervinMervin29]

Excess weight is linked to
•type 2 diabetes
•high blood pressure
•heart disease and strokes
•certain types of cancer
•sleep apnea
•osteoarthritis
•fatty liver disease
•kidney disease
•pregnancy problems, such as high blood sugar during pregnancy, high blood pressure, and increased risk for cesarean delivery (C-section).
Don't believe the fat acceptance movements lies.

[MlleCake]

Not just excess weight. Obesity. But she isn't.

[Astoriana]

And both heart disease and diabetes have stronger genetic links than they do weight related ones. Being skinny doesn’t save you from heart disease, but having no family history of it very well might.

[PervinMervin29]

The term "obese" describes a person who's very overweight, with a lot of body fat.
Women with a waist circumference of 80cm (about 31.5in) and a BMI of 30 are considered obese.
That describes Ashley. You only have to look in the non-photoshopped pics at her the slabs of fat on her ass, her hips, her thighs and her ankles which is not normal.

[OfDeath]

@Astoriana he is right about that. Obesity accounts for most of the money the health system spends.

[Astoriana]

@OfDeath and yet, that’s completely irrelevant to my point. 🙂

[PervinMervin29]

@Astoriana yeah sometimes they have to use x-ray equipment and mri equipment in zoos

[Astoriana]

And anyone with eyes can see that Ashley Graham is nowhere near that point. If you’re going to be incredibly tiresome, at least *attempt* to be logical.

[OfDeath]

@Astoriana You are pretty much saying excess weight is not that big a deal and only dangerous if you have a family history of some diseases. Well guess what? Every family had a first person to get those diseases.

[Astoriana]

@OfDeath yeah, and they might have been healthy weight or even underweight. Genetics play a stronger role in most of these ailments than your weight does. If you’re genetically predisposed to heart disease (as most men are, given that the genes that protect against heart disease are found on the X chromosome), no amount of exercise will save you.

[OfDeath]

@Astoriana Being overweight increases your risk of heart disease, diabetes, cancer and bowel diseases by 90%
If that isn't bad then what is?

[Astoriana]

@OfDeath going outside increases your risk of getting hit by a car. Doesn’t mean it will happen.

Quite frankly, it doesn’t matter if other people are thin or not. Your health care system will remain taxed. There will always be chronic disease... even in thin people.

[OfDeath]

@Astoriana Yeah except fat people seem to have this track record of more health problems. Jeez, I wonder why...

[Astoriana]

@OfDeath and? You don’t really care. Y’all just want to shit on people for being unattractive.

[OfDeath]

@Astoriana I care about their well-being. I also might have a serious problem one day which needs immediate attention and I can't get it cause there's a bunch of fat people ahead of me in line for the hospital.

[Astoriana]

@OfDeath emergency rooms are needs-based so that is highly unlikely.

[OfDeath]

@Astoriana It already happened to me so it's not.

[Astoriana]

@OfDeath pray tell, what was wrong? Were you bleeding? Did you have a heart attack and not get seen immediately? Did you die?

[PervinMervin29]

@Astoriana it's not genetics. It usually starts at home with the parents overfeefing their kids. Fat children are costing more than the elderly to take care of but if parents feed their kids out of a trough that's what happens.

[Astoriana]

Over feeding has nothing to do with it. Weight runs in families. Generally it’s considered neglect to starve your children so they stay skinny... which happens fairly often, given our idea of weight-centric health. A baby is supposed to be pudgy and only feeding them once a day will kill them. But sure, parents over feed their kids. It’s such a problem.

Honestly it’s sad how much you hate fat people. It shows how little you have in your life.

[OfDeath]

@Astoriana I lost 3 toes that could've been reattached otherwise

[Astoriana]

@OfDeath lost toes are not considered serious, given how you can live without them. Unless you’re gushing blood, having a heart attack or stroke, or have an active stab or gunshot wound, triage will put you behind other people who are.

[OfDeath]

@Astoriana the point is they could've been saved if it wasn't for fat turds.

[Astoriana]

@OfDeath you didn’t die, so I don’t know why you’re bitching. How boring you are.

[OfDeath]

@Astoriana I did die. The toe wounds got infected and I was in an induced coma until they could get the right antibiotics to cure the infection.
After a week they were going to turn off the life support but my girlfriend at the time wouldn't let them and demanded I was moved to a different hospital which I was and they fixed it.

[Astoriana]

@OfDeath how clever of you to come back from the dead without prompting.

[OfDeath]

@Astoriana I wasn't dead but would've been if they turned off the machines.
And it all could have been avoided if I didn't have to wait 14 hours for fat people having heart attacks

[Astoriana]

@OfDeath or if you went to a different hospital.

And I honestly don’t believe your story. Girlfriends can’t make medical decisions for you. Secondly, if your septicemia was so severe that they wanted to take you off of life support, then nothing else should have saved you. You’re definitely lying about something.

How boring of you.

[PervinMervin29]

@Astoriana yeah genetics, that's why there are legions of fatties waddling about in the United States compared to other places in the world

[Astoriana]

Obesity is technically on the rise in all developed countries. It’s not just an American thing. There is a simultaneous starvation crisis and obesity crisis globally.

[PervinMervin29]

@Astoriana exactly. That's not genetics, that's stuffing your face and not exercising which is immoral

[Astoriana]

And you’ll notice that skinny people tend to have skinny parents, and fat people tend to have fat parents. It is genetic, but you have too much of a hate boner to see that.

[PervinMervin29]

@Astoriana no it's because most fat parents give their kids the same unhealthy life style they have. If you are over feeding a child they will gain weight and grow larger frames and will likely struggle with their weight for the rest of their lives suffering weight related problems. If your kids are overweight that's not genetics that's child abuse.

[BlueCoyote]

I don't know her but she doesn't seem "fat" to me by any stretch of the imagination. I was expecting some kind of beached whale.
I think what the "fat acceptance" movement has tried to be all along - or at least they should have been - is promoting common human decency when dealing with other people. In other words: yes, being obese is unhealthy but that shouldn't be a reason for people to point at you and ridicule you. There's tons of reasons why someone might be obese and most of them know it's unhealthy. Besides, there's many things that are unhealthy, so it seems odd to single out this particular issue. And lastly... maybe being healthy isn't even your goal in life. We are now living in a time where everyone consider self-optimization as a "duh"-type of thing but hey, it's also just an ideology if we're being radical. Maybe your goal is to live fast and die young ;-). Who knows.
So, I'm all for obesity prevention but I don't think anyone should be put in the pillory for being overweight. If that is what this movement is saying, you can sign me up.

[PervinMervin29]

beached whale Is what I thought in the second picture.

[cherryphi82]

@PervinMervin29 Me, too...

[motownplayer2000]

I agree with you. We seem to think we are doing people a favor by saying accept the body your in. No matter how big they are. It's not right. Because being overweight and even obese is linked to a lot of health problem. Not to mention, heart dieases and much more. We should help people work on their insecurities, as well as encourage them to be healthy. Now it doesn't mean you have to have gleaming abs and rippling muscles... All it means is you have a healthy height too body fat ratio.

[PervinMervin29]

Our health service is under serious strain from obesity related problems.

[motownplayer2000]

Yes, too much. And the fact that people won't go out there and do some of the things to become a little more healthy is beyond me. I've seen family members die, from so much problems related too obesity. That alone would send me to get some kind of help

[PervinMervin29]

I've seen that too. I've seen teams of men taking turns as pallbearers because the deceased was obese.

[motownplayer2000]

It's sad. But true.

[OlderAndWiser]

The fat acceptance movement is a horrible (or excellent) example of PC mentality running amok without conscious consideration of the consequences. If we are to accept fat people without hesitation, why should we not accept cigarette smokers?

Regardless of what happens to Ashley Graham, the PC crowd needs to take a few steps back and look at where the herd mentality led them.

[MzAsh]

Nope. People die from stupidity every day, doesn’t stop the rest of the population from encouraging more stupidity. Besides, she’s a beautiful, healthy woman.

[ADFSDF1996]

Nope, the movement will just find another excuse.

[Ripper_E]

It would hurt it, but not because it's true. People are quick to believe whatever they read. However, Ashley Graham isn't that fat. Especially now that she slimmed down. If she died because of weight related issues, then she would have other physical/health issues that occurred for that to happen. Women have weighed much more than her and lived.

[PervinMervin29]

Can you not see the slabs of fat on her ass, thighs, hips and ankles. Bill Clinton would be all over that lol

[Ripper_E]

I'd be all over her too man, but she isn't that fat.

[LittleSally]

No since she won't... How do I know this?
Because belly fat is the bad fat that kills people, not the butt and thigh fat - that fat is brownish - which is the healthy fat, while belly fat is white and very unhealthy...

Research would help you in this topic.

[wolfcat87]

Brown fat is in children... it usually disappears by adulthood.

[wolfcat87]

Meh, my info's a little old. Still, a fat person's fat is white fat. Brown fat is very miniscule int he human body.
www.livescience.com/...hat-is-brown-fat-facts.html

[Rainie_]

She doesn’t look like she’s that overweight, let alone obese.
Most fat people don’t look like that, so I’m not actually sure tbh. I think they’d end up in denial whichever plus/fat size model died though.

[PervinMervin29]

She's borderline obese

[Jenny01234]

I’ve seen her. Def fat

[Rainie_]

@Jenny01234 I guess it’s all the heavy photoshopping then

[JSmith925]

First off this woman doesn't look like she will be dying anytime soon. Second, who am I to accept or reject Ms. Graham? Do you really think she is worried about my opinion, or yours for that matter?
People need to stop focusing on the physical, look at the whole person. and just let them be who they are, unless they ASK for help.
If you died tomorrow and were reincarnated, you could do a lot worse than coming back as Heather Graham!
~JSmith

[PervinMervin29]

You are the consumer it's your right to reject her and what she is selling.

[JSmith925]

You were talking about acceptance, not consumer spending. I can accept her without buying her products. It seems clear to me that your real agenda is to promote shunning what YOU consider to be overweight woman as role models. Ah, the world according to Merv the Perv. Please spare us.
~JSmith

[PervinMervin29]

Accepting those promoting obesity is not something one should do

[JSmith925]

@PervinMervin29 - I can hardly wait till you ascend to the thrown after the great war and straighten things out. :)
~JSmith

[PervinMervin29]

Yes the fattypuffs will lose to the Thinifers once again

[Anon-ymous1]

Well... I picked "no," because sadly it wouldn't do that, but it's kind of a dumb question man, no offense-- she isn't going to die by 30 of a weight-related problem. It's not going to happen, she's fat but she's not THAT fat.

[PervinMervin29]

Yeah but age 30 is when most women put on the beef. So if she's fat now how fat will she be in 2-5 years.

[Anonymous]

nope. look at all the girls fighting to defend her weight. They're never gonna let it go. Meanwhile, you better keep working out cuz they won't date you without your six-pack or chiseled jaw line or whatever the fuck else. Dang hypocrites.

[PervinMervin29]

True

[SirBarristanSelby]

What if instead of fat acceptance we just had people acceptance? Live fat and die young, or live long and prosper? No one can make that choice for you.

[PervinMervin29]

True. I still say fatties should have to buy to seats on airplanes, trains, buses, concerts and cinemas

[SirBarristanSelby]

If they use two seats, or one and a half seats, yes of course they should. They should also pay for two seats if they need a seat for their hand luggage.

[Waffles731]

She is not fat enough for to die at aged 30 unless there is some other stuff going on

[Waffles731]

en.m.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_the_heaviest_people
Fattest dude ever died at 42 he was estimatef to be 1400 pounds, estimated becahse they couldn't get a scale to accurately measure his weight.
Ashley graham is 201 pounds
Fattest living dude is 1345 pounds and 27

[PervinMervin29]

Wow she's wrestler heavy

[Anonymous]

She will not die from weight related health issues. She might be fat, but she's not that fat.

[PervinMervin29]

Fat enough. Obese maybe

[Anonymous]

I don't get why they give themselves a wedgie instead of just buying a bathing suit thong.

[PervinMervin29]

Is it a bathing suit thong or did her massive ass checks swallow her bathing suit?

[MrAnoymous]

They shouldn't be shamed but being overweight shouldn't be encouraged, it is one of the main health problems in america

[SupMaNiBBas]

They don't really care about facts they I'll just say it's BS and keep on thinking they are beautiful and healthy at 300 pd's

[maiave]

People just hate to admit the fact that you can be this fat and still be healthy. I don’t get why you guys are so obsessed with peoples weight.

[PervinMervin29]

You've proof that you can be that fat and still be healthy?

[PervinMervin29]

Over here we have public health warnings about being so fat.

[maiave]

I’m studying to become a nurse, so to me it’s pretty obvious. To be healthy means no bad habits such as smoking, drinking or over-eating, and to not exercise. Can a fat person still do that, you tell me.

[PervinMervin29]

Is that why the NHS is buckling under the weight of overweight patients?

[maiave]

You’ll have to inform me on that.

[PervinMervin29]

Professor Terence Stephenson in Measuring Up, a report on the nation's obesity crisis by the Academy of Medical Royal Colleges (AoMRC).
"It is no exaggeration to say that it is the biggest public health crisis facing the UK today," he says.
The consequences of obesity on our health include diabetes, heart disease and cancer, and people dying needlessly from avoidable diseases.

[Astoriana]

Pretty sure that she doesn’t have any “weight related diseases” so we’ll never know. 🙂

[coolbreeze]

It wouldn't because they would have another fat plus model to take her place

[ImagineSketchy]

It would, but it's not like she's fat... she's thicker than average but definitely not fat.

[PervinMervin29]

Her thighs are thicker than most chicks waists at least the ones I know

[Harsh_5299]

No, because the feminists are brainwashed beyond reason and logic