If your country was attacked, would you be ready to fight and die to defend it?

[YHL6965]

Would you be ready to fight and die to defend your country?

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[Anonymous]

I believe in peace and I've always helped out and been a sympathetic person, but I also turn to an animal when others want to hurt me, my family, my friends, my neighbours.

So what should a man do when others are sent to kill their friends, their family?
Should I start crying and ask them to leave my family alone? If crying would solve all things, I'd turn to fucking Niagara.

Should I pray we don't get hit by a bomb or stray bullet?

How can I stand watching how everything is fucked up and destroyed around me? Could I hide like a rat and hope that nobody I know is hurt? What if I'd know at the beginning of the war that nobody I know will get hurt, but millions of my country will die? How would that make me feel knowing I've let others die just because I was safe?

Sure, "we die young, the old fart politicians celebrate and don't give a shit", but an invasion would still be an invasion and it wouldn't help much to raise my hands up and say "no, I'm not fighting, the politicians should".

So while I'm against war as an aggression towards another country, as far as others invading mine goes, I hope they burn and die in the most horrific pain.
I'm going to hit them in the back of their heads with my country. (translation of a local saying).

Hopefully there will be no need, as many people will die young for stupid ambitions.
But living in Eastern Europe's Romania that is currently subjected to daily military threats from Russia (alongside our military and economical partner Poland), a conflict just seems closer and closer by the day.
Funny thing is that both Poland and Romania are part of NATO alongside Germany and others.
Why I mentioned Germany you wonder?
Because Germany was bitching about Trump being elected with help from Putin and now they are actually shaking hands with the russians from Gazprom in order to build a gas pipe from Russia to Germany.
The same Germany that is pointing fingers at how bad all the others are every single time, they now have their former prime-minister (Gerhard Schroder) working for a Russian company and lobbying for them in the European Parliament.

Funny how the world is being split right before our eyes, yet people are foolish and gullible enough to not even realize it, but instead to believe that Germany is the way to go.

The same happened with Hitler where people saw nothing wrong with him (though it was obvious he had expansion intentions), then the next thing, the whole world was burning.
See the documentary from HIstory channel called "rise and fall of the third Reich" which presents the events from a social point of view and how germans and europeans were seeing the whole situation.

Watching that documentary I got a shiver down the spine seeing that people nowadays are once again brainwashed at blindly believing their leaders are "democrats", yet the expansion intentions are ever more present with Russia and the fact that Germany is helping out economically only makes me wonder what will happen in the following 7 years.

[Nivinxus]

Yeah, but I'm more likely to defend my community because all my friends and family live there. If it is in peace or relatively safety, I would travel to other parts of the country. I won't be killing anyone if I could help it, but I'm willing to help out as much as I can.

Besides, it isn't the country I'm fighting for, it's the people who happen to live in this country. I'm not trained in combat, but I know first aid, photography and mechanical engineering so I'll provide my skills there.

[YHL6965]

That's a great way to fight for your country (and its people of course), even if you are not directly taking part in the combats.

[embracecomplexity]

Absolutely not. I think you should send all the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers first. Or perhaps all their young family members first. I don't see why it should be the proletariat. Start with the peerage classes and see how enthusiastic they are then. interest would decline overnight.

The ruling classes only ever want wars when it's the proletariat that get killed. Smedley Butler is one of the most famous military American figures and he figured out that war is a racket. He wrote a very good book I would encourage you to read it. Look up his documentaries on YouTube.

Not that it matters but one of the banking establishments tried to recruit Smedley Butler to replace Roosevelt as the American dictator. It was unsuccessful and led to a very interesting court case called the business plot. There was a good book written about it called the plot to take over the White House.

[YHL6965]

Interesting opinion, I would love to see some rich kids on the frontlines!

[MlleCake]

My allegience is to God and God alone. I am commanded never to take up arms.

So, I wouldn't defend in a military sense.

[YHL6965]

Even if you or your family was in danger?

[AlexanderBrunnrgaard]

The Bible actually does condone self-defense. And whether or not Christians can fight in war isn't entirely clear in the Bible nor agreed upon in the Christian world.

[Historylover18]

The bible does allow self defense as a means of survival

[Triple7s]

An Eye For An Eye

[MlleCake]

@Triple7s That's Hammurabi's Code, not the Bible.

[Triple7s]

Jesus said it it doesn't matter what it was in and that is the thing people say they are Christian and then do things completely against what Christianity tells you to do people say they live by the bible then support LGBT and bash the true Christians who are against LGBT you can't be half a Christian either you are one or you aren't.

[MlleCake]

@Triple7s Jesus said not to do eye for an eye. That's the turn the other cheek verse in Matthew. "Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also."

[Triple7s]

Jesus also said he is the stone that will crush the builders that doesn't sound too passive to me.

[MlleCake]

@Triple7s Think what you want.

[madhatters4]

it would depend entirely on why it was being attacked and what i was defending it from

[Janncis]

Some how i find it interesting that 90% of woman aren't willing to defend there country, but hope that man will do it. Where there is equality? Any thrid wave feminist can enlighten me on it? xD

[YHL6965]

Feminist only want equality for the good stuff. Bad stuff? Oh, there are men for that.

[InTimoreDei]

I come from a long line of warriors and soldiers. Many of them fought and died for Ireland. Many of them fought in WW2 and WW1. I'd gladly take up arms.

I really don't think many people on GAG though are made of the material that requires war. Especially if they're millennials and Gen Z. They wouldn't even be able to survive in a tent with no shower for 3 days.

(I spent 2 weeks in the woods with no bathroom and had to make my own fire)

[janna_jcb]

Only if it was attacked for reasons I don’t support. If my country dropped a bomb somewhere and was attached because of it I would not support my country.

[janna_jcb]

attacked*

[janna_jcb]

Oh and that situation would also include my country not having a valid reason to drop the bomb

[Triple7s]

You cannot go against your own country no matter what they do because even if it is wrong they are the ones who will keep you safe in time of war

[janna_jcb]

To me principles are more important than being safe

[YHL6965]

I can agree on that

[llorando]

Nope, for all I know the attack was staged by the government to get us into another useless war.

[YHL6965]

I definitely understand your skepticism against your government. The US government has done even shadier things.

[llorando]

Like like infecting it's own citizens unknowingly with radiation.

[YHL6965]

Or trying to create mind controlling drugs, or staging terrorist attacks on their own soil and more! Only in Murica!

[Barrabus_the_Free]

Or infecting black soldiers with syphilis on purpose and allowing it to go untreated just to see what would happen.

Or having soldiers in trenches at the edge of a nuclear bomb blast so the. gov could see the effects of radiation on a living person.

Or any of hundreds of other things that qualify as crimes.

[llorando]

@Barrabus_the_Free OK for the Like funding terrorist. If we citizens funded terrorist, we'd be instantly thrown in federal prison with no rights.

[Barrabus_the_Free]

You got that right. If we did ANY of the many, many things us. gov has done, we'd be in prison for crimes against humanity.

[YHL6965]

Ah, Murica...

[roaring20sman]

Of course I would. This country is my home. My family and friends live here. If someone were to attack the country then they're attacking the things I listed. I don't appreciate people attacking my friends or family. I would fight to protect both...

[roaring20sman]

Not to mention my family history has a long line of serving to protect. We fought in the revolutionary war, civil war, WWI, WWII, and Vietnam. I'm proud of my family for being a good example of protecting the people and things they love. I would do the same.

[YHL6965]

Great heritage!

[Soteris]

Depends on why. My country might be attacked on perfectly reasonable grounds like if another Hitler came to power but this time in Sweden. I would also not be too bothered if Norway for example conquered Sweden since its still a government I can support. If I saw a country such as Russia invade however I would fight to the death to defend Sweden.

[MaverickAngel]

I'd die for my family. Not for an artificial geographic distinction between land masses... or for the politicans who control the ideology of said landmasses...

[esotericstory]

Your people is a platonic extension of your family, if you'd die for your family you should be ready to die for your country as well.

[MaverickAngel]

@esotericstory no... I do not define family that widely. If they were threatened would you die for your local grocer? Your cleaner? Your teacher? If the answer is yes - your a saint and I'll leave it there. If no.. then your a hypocrite and I can't argue in the absence of logic. If I'm missing something.. do let me know.

[esotericstory]

I'd fight and die for my people. I am a political activist I am fighting the nonviolent fight for the self determination of my people. I wish all peoples on earth could have full self determination to determine their own destiny one day.

[MaverickAngel]

@esotericstory you lost me at "fighting the non violent fight". This post ulis about war, yeah? And you didn't respond to my points... would you give up. your life to save the greengrocer?

[esotericstory]

Id do it for all my people. I am an activist. Not a terrorist.

[MaverickAngel]

@esotericstory so if someone was in trouble you should take a bullet for them? No matter who they were?

[esotericstory]

This question is about dying for your country.

[MaverickAngel]

@esotericstory and you said I should view everyone in my country as my family. My question was a natural extension of your point.. I'd die for my family. NOT the greengrocer. Not coz some politician safe in his office tells me too. (Unless I'm drafted and have no choice)

[esotericstory]

If you fight for a politician, you dont fight for your country. Government and country are not the same. Your country is your patria, thats an ideal that you want to die for, if you want to keep babbling about greengrocers go ahead make my day.

[MaverickAngel]

@esotericstory actually you babbled first about seeing the country as an extension of my family. My mistake in think9ng that could have been a constant argument When presented with a logical argument you couldn't rebutt.. you got insulting. Go die for whatever it is you want, but I'm done with the conversation. Your one of those rebel needing a cause types. No point in engaging further.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Depends on what you mean by ready. I am willing to fight, I don't know if I am prepared to do so in the most effective way, or well enough to survive it.

[BeMuse]

Sure... Most Americans would fight for their country if we were invaded regardless of the crap they talk online. When it gets real, they would do what was needed.

[Larkyy]

We don't have an army and have two of the world's biggest military superpowers supporting us. I wouldn't fight because I wouldn't legally be allowed to in the first place

[YHL6965]

In war times, during invasions, government usually accept civilian help.

[Larkyy]

The real question is, who will invade this land of nothing?

[llorando]

[Larkyy]

They'd come from the south all the way north?

[YHL6965]

Just publicly announce that there is a huge amount of oil, uranium and/or gas and you'll have a lot of people knocking at Iceland's door. Of course, it would probably not be a good old open war, it would probably turn into a commercial war.

[Larkyy]

Everyone knows we run on Steam and water haha

[llorando]

Yep. Their home at the south pole melted away, now their on the hunt for a new place to call home. Tired and hungry from the long journey, they decide ditch the plan of going all the way to the north pole, and settle for Iceland as their new home.

[Larkyy]

The poor guys will find nothing but greenness

[llorando]

That's OK with them, they will just turn up the A/C after they take over your house

[Larkyy]

You think we have AC here? You're precious

[llorando]

No I don't. They brought A/C with them, as it was needed while traveling though the equator

[Triple7s]

@Larkyy don't worry President Trump got your back

[llorando]

@Triple7s Until they discover huge amounts of oil, then their on Trumps list of countries to invade.

[Triple7s]

@llorando that is how the game is played

[llorando]

@Triple7s Which is plain wrong.

[Triple7s]

@llorando Not really we gotta survive we give foreign aid to a lot of countries so when we want something we should be able to get it that is why we are number 1

[llorando]

@Triple7s Still not right just to march into a country, overthrow their government and forcefully take their oil. Even if we do give aid, still not right.

[Triple7s]

@llorando As long as they aren't doing it to my country that is life and I am fine with it. We live the lives we live because we are the strongest country and we have opportunity and we have it good so as long as our government doesn't ruin that for us they can do what they want.

[llorando]

@Triple7s We shouldn't be doing it to any country, selfish to kill innocent people just to steal their oil.

[AlexanderBrunnrgaard]

Principally, in a heartbeat. But I'd have to consider my family, girlfriend etc. It is a hard place to put them all in to worry about me going to war, possibly never returning.

[jennifer_bloom]

I don't believe that a country is worth dying for. I believe the only thing worth dying for is religion, charity, family and loved ones.

[9th_lyfe]

Jihads would agree with you

[sasukeuchiha7]

I don't think religion is worth dying for. I'm not gonna die for some dude floating in the sky who is apparently watching us but does nothing to help.

[YHL6965]

I don't think religion and charity are worth dying for.

[adamjanovic]

I'd try my best to defend it, but realistically I would probably get killed pretty early on.

[YHL6965]

You don't have to fight directly, guerrilla warfare is very effective if you feel like you don't have enough combat experience.

[adamjanovic]

I'd probably still be unsuccessful.

[TripleAce]

Its ok lol most die

[RedThread]

Nah send the politicians to the frontline. I'm sure their decisions would be the reason why we are at war. I didn't choose that shit. I'd be out.

[sasukeuchiha7]

I would, I have pride in my homeland and I will put down my life to protect it.
There have been countless men who have strived to make my country free and keep it safe. I have no right to do anything less than that.

[sasukeuchiha7]

What idiot would dislike what I said?

[TripleAce]

Ya sounds like a party
It would be more fun if you had no family no allegiance to anyone. Just you in this world

Then its a real party

[NoGamePlan]

Na. I don't choose sides by what flag I'm under. I would fight for whatever side is in the right.

[YHL6965]

How do you decide that? For example, was anyone "right" in WWI?

[NoGamePlan]

No one was.

[YHL6965]

So, would you fight for your country if it was in such a war.

[NoGamePlan]

Na. I'd maybe consider PTSD recovery for soldiers but I'd stay out of both sides.

[Mantinziza]

yeees, finally a chance to feel alive.

Bring it, I want a good fight.

[MisterAnon69]

For sure. If America was put into a defensive war then I would join up as soon as I could to do my part and defend her. Otherwise I would stay out for the sake of staying with my girlfriend.