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If Meat Was Banned, What Would Your Reaction Be?
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I'd still get meat from hunter friends. But I would actually be concerned for the country at large. If this was an overnight law change, just stop and think how many businesses and homes would be affected. Grocery stores, the vaaaast majority of restaurants, convenience stores, the average person would be largely effected. Ranchers who make their livelihoods off of ethically raised meat. Gone over night. Butcher box and like businesses would have vast swathes of their income if not all gone over night.
Fishing industry? Gone. Towns that get their main income from sea trade? Done. If fishing is the ultimate goal, that means Fisher supplies goes out of business. Commercial or not. Sea wharf town like in the North east? Entire careers would be ended. People leaving town. Why stay in a town if your one income source bringing you there is now gone?
Hunters who donate hundreds of pounds of meat to charities, homeless shelters and so on. Done. Athletes at every level would be negatively effected. There are just so many areas that would be effected for the worse that it would be a scary thought if it were passed. Tho realistically there would be tons of people still getting meat on the low
All great points, but what about the other side of the coin? I’m curious what your views on the meat industry and its effect on climate change are, as well as the systematic killing of animals, the health issues people who live near these farms face. And the large body of evidence that red meat in particular is terrible for our health.
@Hello4242 the only evidence of connecting meat to ill health is from animals that have synthetic chemicals pumped into them, giving them unnatural size for slaughter. Grass fed everything is shown to be healthy by every marker. I'll concede people do eat too much meat, in that they don't need as much as they eat on average. But there's no health risk for eating quality meats.
As for effects on climate change I honestly don't give it much credence in respect to the overall system of industry across the nation. If you snapped your fingers to make their carbon footprint disappear overnight it would make no difference. As far as man made carbon emissions the vast vast majority comes from Asiatic countries with much larger populations. They would have to make a change to be relevant.
As for the systematic killing of animals. I'm not for the treatment they get before they die. But I'm not morally opposed to killing animals for food as I eat meat. I support ethically sourced meat and honestly think it would be fundamentally better for the country for our health. Meat isn't the cheapest food source as it is and if we already overeat it. The least we could do is improve the quality of the meat and at the same time improve the living conditions of the animals so as to not give them a horrible existence.
My views on farm-raised animals to begin with is that none of these animals die of old age out in the wild. They get eaten alive. So if the method that we use to kill them is quick and painless and over and done with. All the better. But if we're going to capture them put them in captivity and then hold them up in a little pen, then they would actually be better off just living out in the wild with their freedom and then randomly getting eaten alive one day and the future. I think ranchers do it the best. They raised the animals as close to as they would live out in the wilderness, then when it comes time to slaughter they make it quick and painless and only of age.
I think it'd be stupid... If you choose not to eat meat because you think it's healthier that's up to you. The problem is, most people don't know how to manage a plant based diet and would fail to maintain the number of proteins they need to live healthy lives. While it's not impossible to live without meat based proteins, meat provides an amazing source of nutrients and varied proteins that are difficult to maintain in a plant-based diet if you don't know what you're doing. So... if you're looking at it from a health standpoint, it probably won't work out that well for you.
Other than that I can't really agree with any supposed moral arguments for sparing the lives of animals instead of eating them. It's how the rest of nature operates and nature doesn't throw a hissy fit, it just grows and adapts to deal with it. If that's how the rest of nature does it, I think it's stupid to take some imagined moral high ground by not also eating meat.
There would be a happy end for every animal that is solely was raised for human consumption and humans would of course profit from it too since there is no need anymore to feed them massively with growth hormones, antibiotics and other unhealthy substances.
Humans would probably live a better life also as the indirect consequence would be a lower consumption of those nocive and harmful substances for our body.
Another direct benefit would be the instant loss of those fattening foods like those in fast food chains.
You can substitute the missing proteins with other things that don't require slaughtering of animals..
It would only be beneficial to humans but who wants to live healthy, right?
As long you lives in a climate and terrain that's suitable for growing vegetables, so you doesn't have to import a lot of food, and you can do it in an environment friendly way it would be possible. The challenge is that in many climates and terrains farming is very difficult and expensive because of you needs a lot of water, glasshouses etc. to be able to grow plants. In addition it would require a lot of shipping which isn't environmentally friendly. In addition it would be a challenge for the first generation animals to adapt the life in the wild after living their entire lives in farms in addition to all of the hundreds of generations before them living in farms as well. How are the animals going to survive and how is it good animal welfare? My point is that I would like an answer to the problems.
You are right of course.
In case of mass production of animals for human consumption, you can prevent any manual intervention with artificial insemination and rely solely on natural reproduction and even limit this natural reproduction.
The benefits of it is a substantial lower level of methane and Co2 produced by bovines would also improve the quality of the air and hopefully get the levels of ozone closer to what they should be.
Also, a problem that is not addressed in the question is the number of jobs lost that are directly associated with meat production. It is just as much a utopia as to have no wars among the peoples of this planet.
Animal abuse, fair enough. Environmental reasons? Really the most important thing is eating locally sourced food, so it'd make no sense to do it for that unless they also banned all from eating non local food. Many vegetarians diets are really awful for the environment.
So, I would go with it for animal welfare if I had to, but I wouldn't for environmental reasons unless they're banning all food that's had to travel. Not going to not eat meat while Sharon round the corner gets to eat her quinoa shipped miles and miles.
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If someone else says, "Meat has been banned," I will respond, "Someone must be made to pay the price!"
Id hunt those responsible down and eat their families while they watch
I would blame the fringe environmentalist groups.
Any country that bans meat is pretty idiotic.
I might not actually mind so much in spite of being a meat lover if there were enough adjustments made to society. I tend to consume lots of meat/fish: chicken breast, steaks, salmon, tuna, eggs, and in particular organ meats like heart and liver.
But it was never so much about taste for me. I just find it complicated to find very rich protein sources with a fairly complete protein profile going plant-based. There are things like nutritional yeast but they're lacking in some of the most important BCAAs for my goals.
I have come to research what might make a fairly reasonable vegan diet though without any micro-deficiencies and a good balance of macros. I use that to try to provide nutrition advice for vegans. However, they include exotic sources like phyoplankton and/or cyanobacteria. I'm not sure how sustainable it would be to rely on such a wide range of sources if everyone wanted to do it.
Then again maybe supply might increase with the demand under such circumstances, and maybe they could be affordable to all. I don't know. But I actually wouldn't mind if I could get my desired balance of macros, and micros, and complete proteins, and afford it. Meat is a practicality and a luxury in my mind as opposed to a requirement.
About the protein sources, I do get into arguments sometimes with vegans (inadvertently). But I'm not saying there aren't plant-based sources with protein, but it's rare to find many with like 65%+ of their macros in protein. We tend to have to skew towards carbs or fats to get adequate protein on plant-based diets, and I find at least personally, my body doesn't respond so well if I skew in either direction (I start putting on weight quite quickly in those scenarios). I seem to respond best to balancing things out or getting close to the Zone ratios as far as macros.
So I tend to be left with sources like nutritional yeast (which lacks the BCAAs I believe to be most important for muscle retention and growth) or things like spirulina (which are a bit expensive). That said, I've moved in that direction towards plant-based more and more over the years. It's just a bit tough and expensive to get sufficient variety. With a chicken liver, I can get a boatload of minerals and vitamins in one serving in a way that seems to require a very eclectic mix of plant-based sources. But I suspect getting that variety would be a lot easier, and more practical, in such a society. So I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to it.
That would be a dream come true. Obviously nobody would follow the law unless they already didn't eat meat, so all it would do would create high demand on the black market for meat. Thus, tons of individual suppliers would pop up to capitalize on it. It would be a situation similar to pirating--so many people would be breaking the law, that the justice system simply wouldn't have the resources to enforce it.
Ultimately, the only difference would be that I'd have a new, tax-free (and thus MUCH cheaper), source of meat. Hehehe.
Meat eating is the most ridiculous thing that's happening in the world. Making a meal out of someone else's body. It's as much disgusting as it's horrifying. Also selling meat as body parts and pricing them in bags and pockets in supermarkets it makes me hate being a part of this world. When I'm at a grocery store and I see the meat section I immediately get stressed and nervous and I walk past it in a hurry and when I see people buying them I find myself staring at them like they're low and inhuman.
@Guanfei I understand what you're saying but you don't actually "need" meat. That's a misconception. With the evolution of plant-based proteins and supplementation (which is mandatory in every diet, we just rarely realize it) it isn't actually necessary for you to consume meat. The problem is that when a lot of people stop eating animal products they do so improperly without following solid, dietary advice.
You actually make a good point 'Making a meal out of someone else's body. It's as much disgusting as it's horrifying. Also selling meat as body parts and pricing them in bags and pockets in supermarkets it makes me hate being a part of this world. ' it is disgusting if you think about it.
@Guanfei There was never anything wrong with meat eating. The problem is more quantitative (the quantity of animal product we consume is absurd - often in every meal in the day), and qualitative (mass production and consumption, unconsciouness and short-termism). Using meat as a means to an end rather than actually appreciating where the food come from (as our ancestors did). Again, this argument has become idiotic and false dichotomised.
Also, it's pretty debatable that we need meat. Without any animal products, to my understanding, we solely need b12 supplementing, and even that is due overly sterile production methods.
Certain cultures that minimise animal protein consumption have a far greater life expectancy, and they don't get 'Western' diseases. Dairy in particular seems to be pretty unhealthy and associated with cancer, bone fractures (ironically enough), low blood levels of 1,25D, etc.
Is this banning meat for everyone? Because correct me if I’m wrong, but some people physically cannot cut meat out of their diets for medical purposes right?
I don’t know, to me it seems kind of wrong. If the law passed I would follow it because I’d like to become vegan or vegetarian anyways, but I understand that not everyone does. And I know it’s better for animals and the environment if we cut out meat, but asking everyone to give it up is very very unrealistic.
I think there’s nothing wrong with promoting vegan and vegetarian alternatives, but making everyone go cold turkey is not realistic or a good idea.
The far-left vegetarians would probably push for protein shakes and lab meat then.
Other: What's wrong with eating meat once or twice a week, rather than for every meal? Those problems are real - beef (and milk, cheese, etc.) production does result in a lot of methane, etc.
I wouldn't like a total ban, but I wouldn't mind price increases (preferably somehow taken out of the supply chain's cut, so the farmers don't suffer) and even subsidising the alternatives. However, what's currently happening is that various states are saying you can't call vegan (or veggie) burgers "vegan (or veggie) burgers" any more, because a burger "has to be" meat. That's wrong. It's a thing you put in a bun to eat. Nobody is being confused by those labels.
I live in Texas and I’m American. Meat is something people all over the world eat. The majority of people eat meat. You cannot ban food because you think it’s bad. Soda should be banned to! Then candy bars and cake and ice cream!
What else are you going to do leftists?
I love how these are the things we think about when there are people in the world who would give anything for ANY type of decent food.
That's their thought process. They're very emotionally driven people, so rather than deal with things, they either block it out or ban it.
This is why right-leaning commentators have all had their Twitter accounts deleted this last 2yrs, but that's a different topic.
As a leftie myself I'm disagree with the leftist-strategy. I think a meat ban or shame would be impractical and unrealistic.
Well I appreciate your logical view of things as a leftist. I can’t convince you to turn to the right side but I respect the fact that you aren’t a crazy extremists like many leftists are.
I've my reasons why I'm a leftie:
1. Supports affordable healthcare and education
2. Supports support to severe disabled, elderly, sick and poor families
3. Pro gun control, because of there's less likely the wrong people gets access to guns. Hunters and sports members are allowed guns in Norway though.
4. Cons death penalty.
Gun control laws don’t work. Criminals with guns won’t stop using guns if you outlaw guns. They’ll buy them from a smuggler.
Guess what will happen after guns are outlawed and NO ONE can legally own a gun?
The criminals will use illegal guns ok the law abiding citizens that don’t have guns because it’s outlawed.
A quote I once saw said, freedom is slaves with guns.
We have the right to bear arms and that should never be taken away. If everyone had a gun, no one would dare use it because there would be ten other people who can pop a bullet in your ass in a split second.
If you ever played Skyrim, you will know that if accidentally hit a chicken, they whole town will jump your ass. Even the beggar with his puny little iron dagger.
That’s why guns cannot be outlawed.
If guns are outlawed, the entire south half of the US will start a rebellion.
It’s not something that can happen or will fix anything. It will actually makes things worse.
Imagine a robber goes into a store to steal things and points a gun at the cashier. Next thing he knows, he hears a click and every employee and customer in the store has pulled a gun on his ass.
That’s why gun control is wrong. We need the right to bear arms so we can protect ourselves from criminals who don’t follow the rules anyway.
Anyway that’s my rant.
Lead a revolution. I’m not a rabbit, I eat meat. I don’t care for processed soy beans to get my protein and other minerals which are abundant in meat products.
You don’t want to eat meat, that’s up to you. I don’t interfere with your life choices. Don’t mess with mine. If you really want a country with no meats, go find one that’s looking for a new leader. Establish your rule there.
I wonder what would we do to substitute protein for the body? The body needs a high amount of protein to function. Carbs have their place but protein is also very important. Of course keep in mind that if they did ban protein that would mean an overall increase in the amount of carbohydrates based food that are produced ( Corn , potatoes , grains etc) This would also require an increased amount of water , space , fertilizer usage etc. It is very possible that the environmental damage that was decreased via less meat production could go back up via increased vegetable and grain production.
No matter what we do there will always be some form of environmental impact.
Being vegetarian, it wouldn't bother me at all if meat were banned. And it would be good for the environment, as meat is a product that requires a lot of energy to produce, and results in a lot of biological waste and pollution in both the ground and atmosphere. It also uses a high amount of water to produce the product. All of which is bad, because it produces a lot of pollution.
I like meat but I'm not a great meat consumer. I wouldn't go crazy if they put substitutes for every food they ban, and those substitutes are as easy to find in supermarket, cheap enaugh and so. I mean, I could get used to it if they don't make my life complex.
Plus, you mentioned it too: meat created in labs. If that's commercialized then that could be a good option, I suppose.
I really wouldn’t give care I don’t eat meat anyways, call me a loser but I watched his documentary called what the health and did own research and one of my favorite artists who’s like 78 (Paul McCartney) is one too. Heart disease is one of the leading reasons for death in the US and it would benefit a lot of people I’d feel like (I sound like a total fucking hippie lmao) but everyone would be better off without consuming so much meat in my opinion
isn't hat because americans are obese af?
@weirdoweirdo Probably. XD
Since when has banning anything solved anything?
Remember when alcohol was banned? That turned out great. 😒
How about heroin, crack, meth, steroids and cocaine? Can’t buy them at the corner store, but anybody can still get their hands on them.
Point is, banning things doesn’t stop people from obtaining and using those things, all it does is feed the black market as well as all of the violence an danger that come with it.
Our society is basically slavery with extra steps.
We can’t own slaves, but we are slaves.
A human deemed property of another human.
The united states government.
This guy explains it pretty well. I don’t feel like typing for 2 hours.
strike-the-root.com/government-is-not-civilization-it-is-slavery
You really made me read all of that. Not a single citation or source was in that article. Anyway I can sorta see where the author is going but there’s a lot of holes in the argument.
For starters no ones being forced to do anything. We all do things based on our own personal wants and needs. It’s true that we have to work to get what we want but to say we’re slaves is a big stretch.
I’ve accomplished a lot for myself so far in life through my own actions. To say it’s because I’ve been forced would discredit the work I’ve put into get what I want.
I’ve published two books. I wanted to. No one forced me to write them. The government certainly didn’t help me market them. It was me. This isn’t slavery it’s capitalism. Nobody is being killed or punished unless they’re breaking laws
Nobody forces you to choose which way you serve the government.
The government didn’t help you market your books, but they profited from it. They’ve made profit from every legal penny you’ve ever made.
Many laws are in place only to maximize the profit to the government.
You can’t really think the government gets every single dime from taxes can you? Lights across the nation alone costs trillions. Then there’s building and highway maintenance. Air and sea trade travel expenses. Military funding for things like weapons, gear, vehicle, medical equipment. School funding across the nation. Of course there’s taxes. Even with all of that money we’re even in debt because of past wars and conflict. We aren’t slaves. We’re part of a nation and we pay taxes to help support it. I don’t think you’d have this mentality if you lived in one of those war torn countries. You sound bratty.
To compare us to slaves is a huge extreme though. Slaves were literally raped, beaten and ripped from their families. Murdered for disobeying or even no reason at all sometimes.
Every citizen born to every country is claimed by that country. Try traveling somewhere else without a passport, they won’t be allowed in without doing so illegally. We’re not slaves. In America I can become practically anything I want if I work for it. I’m not losing any sleep over laws against murder and theft. If you guys think you have it so bad go try living in North Korea or one of those worn torn countries.
If you actually read my full statement you would have seen I clearly acknowledge their very different things. I said “in a way she’s right” and pointed out some base level similarities. Then I went on to say “ At the same time it could be a hell of a lot worse”. There are defenitley worse places to live than America, and I don’t consider myself a slave. But there are some interesting similarities to noticed, that’s all I was trying to say. You need to take a chill pill dude.
Again, not slavery. Slavery with extra steps.
You’re only free to be anything you want if it profits the government. If you chose to live self sufficiently, you would be criminalized.
You jump straight to logical laws such as those against murder and robbery but what about the laws that punish people who have harmed nobody?
The best example being the law against collecting rain water on your own property.
For someone who Enjoys debates you should know by
now to keep a level head and remain logical.
Hurling insults and playing the “If you don’t like it leave” card is pretty immature and tells me that you’re arguing rather than debating.
Slavery with extra steps is still slavery. Use a different word I guess.
There’s plenty of people who own farms and live self sufficient lives.
I looked up your claim and there aren’t rainwater laws across the nation of the U. S. only 10 states have laws on unrestricted collection of rainwater. Only 4 of those have specific restrictions on collecting and it’s in states where rainwater is rare and a valuable source.
I don’t know why I’m doing this 😭.
Back on topic, traditional slavery being banned worked.
Anything else?
They can be if you decide they are.
I’d probably raise small animals like rabbits, chickens, ducks, or something like that and continue eating meat. Then sell off extra for cocaine like prices. I’d eventually start my own meat cartel and hang vegans in the streets as a warning to the others.
I've been veggie for the last 36years so whilst i would be pleased to see that athical stance i would be more pleased to see governments realize factory farming is the largest contributor to climate change. im not suggesting everyone should be forced to stop eating dead animals but if y'all did it a little less it would make a difference
I would either move, or break the law (if moving isn't an option) because that's a stupid and dangerous law. It sets the precedent for other stupid laws. What about pets and carnivorous wildlife? does the law apply to them? Why should my eating habits and preferences be regulated/criminalized? Doesn't it mean that we omnivores may table a law that bans vegetables, as a response to the meat ban? Or a food law that targets Jews (Kosher), Muslims (Halal), and vegans too?
Considering that meat composes approximately 30% of my diet, and vegetables only 5-10%, I’d be in trouble.
Besides, I don’t see why plants are any less worthy of consideration than animals. Also, I don’t understand why we couldn’t eat animals, as many animals eat animals, and we are animals too, we’re just more efficient at consuming them than, say, wolves.
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