Not just China objects but Chinese people all around the world are being targeted. Singaporeans, Koreans, even Philippinos are targeted all over the world. Calling it the “Chinese” virus is just encouraging racism and hatred. Besides even Bill Gates said that most of the blame against China is unfair. He said the Chinese government did a lot of things right to warn the rest of the world in time. He said right now is not the right time to find blame anyway.
@theChineseWASP That does not change the fact that it is standard custom. Bill Gates being hardly dispositive in any event. Changing the name will neither change the fact of where the disease began nor change behaviors that are not justifiable. Discrimination and harassment are illegal and can be punished in law. That will have to suffice.Call the disease something else and it will not change the origin of the disease nor China's culpability for its spread. The Chinese in various countries may object to the name, but the facts are what they are. In that connection all that those of Chinese origin are owed are the aforementioned protections of the law against discrimination and harassment. They are NOT owed an Orwellian alternation of the language. That is a bridge too far.
There’s no reason to call it the Chinese virus when it already has a scientific name. It unnecessarily blames al Chinese people when the majority of them were minding their own business. Just the other day I was walking to the store when a homeless man called me a Chink and told me to fuck off. Where was the law then? It’s better to just stop discrimination at the source instead of allowing one discriminatory act but condemning others. The Chinese government did some wrong things but overall this virus is an enemy of nature not if the Chinese or of Asians...
@theChineseWASP There is no reason to call it by its scientific name either. There have, after all, been multiple names assign to it. Coronavirus, Covid19, Wuhan Virus.Any and all are equally valid, the reference to China being merely one of the myriad of names that have been applied to it. The notion that ceasing to call it the China Virus will mystically magically erase the biases of those who harbor such biases does not bear scrutiny.Twisting the language into pretzel will not change where the virus came from and, in any case, there exists no means by which to enforce calling it something else. The bottom line being that to assume that following a long established practice for identifying certain pathogens is inherently racist is absurd.The practice is scientifically valid and that some may harbor biases against China because of the virus does not thereby invalidate that practice. It is a conflation of a valid use of words with their misuse.Take your argument to its logical conclusion and we will soon be erasing whole pages of the dictionary.
I understand that sometimes placenames are used in science but just calling it the “Chinese virus” is not attempting to be scientific. There’s a lot of more informative scientific names than just that. If people just want to incriminate the PRC then at least just call it the PRC virus why incriminate an entire ethnicity along the way too? “The Chinese virus” is not attempting to sound scientific or appropriate.
@theChineseWASP Then please do define the specific situations in which an illness may be referred to by its place of origin. Please define the specific criteria in which it may be permitted and when not. (Oh also allow for sloppiness in the common usage as we were discussing the "China virus" and not the "Chinese virus." So in that connection, please stipulate standards by which we may discern when a person's use of language is merely slovenly as opposed to suggesting racist intent.)Please lay all of this out - again, specific criteria, standards and differentiation in what words may be used and what not and how to infer the intent of each user of language. After laying this out, please provide examples of when, for example, Spanish flu may be used and when not.Really, this is absurd where not simply whinny and self-pitying.
I’m tired of arguing so I give up sorry.
@theChineseWASP Well, you have done --- what four postings and you are already tired? Good grief, you sure you want to be on this site? Suffice to say, with that kind of intellectual energy, I hope you don't expect to persuade too many people to your viewpoint. Then again, given the shallow nature of your insights on this question, that may not be such a bad thing. The culture already being suffused in shallow and superficial feelings masquerading as actual thought.
1. Trump never gave "advice and inject some disinfectants""The briefing transcript shows that Trump did not say people should inject themselves with bleach or alcohol to treat the coronavirus"www.politifact.com/.../As for it coming from China, no one is debating that it didn't.
The debate is found in America only because the American corporate/CIA controlled media made it an issue when Trump said it. *NOTE* When the media called it the "Wuhan/Coronavirus" for months no one said boo.https://twitter.com/i/status/1238186498433966081www.breitbart.com/.../This is because the ORIGINAL name was "Wuhan Pnemonia". This upset the Unelected China-controlled WHO who demanded people call it something else. *NOTE* the media CONTINUED calling it "Wuhan/Chinese virus" until Trump said it. It then bagan race baiting saying if you called it that you are "racist".https://youtu.be/7zatCqqRY_I
@genuinlysensitive I hate to break it to you but the world does not spin around what happens in the US and who said what in the media or what party is trying to win this. Naming of the virus got nothing to do with any of the things you said as the virus was not found in America or discovered by American scientists. So naming rights are not your birth right. Whatever names circulated around the world before officially naming the virus are irrelevant. The virus now is officially named and the story ends there. Now instead of spending energy and time on this maybe spend the same in making this world a better place with less hatred.
The virus has had multiple names. First named "Wuhan Pnemonia" by Chinese doctors who first discovered it, soon the WHO demanded people call it "COVID 19", and the media (WORLDWIDE mind you) continued to call it "Chinese/Wuhan virus" UNTIL Trump said it, then it became racist. But you keep trying to project your arrogance/ignorance onto me because I am an American, how intelligent of you!
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They're really not comparable tho. Those are both (relatively) benign parts of nature. The virus actually kills people and is shutting down the world.
So what? It originated in China. How do you define racism?
To a liberal , any Republican and all conservatives
@888theGreat. I hear you!
A virus is not a product of culture. Not fair to call something a Virus of some culture.
Atom bombs originated in America but we don't call them "American bombs". You see how messed up that system is?
Calling it The Chinese flu is not blaming the culture;. It is identifying the country of origin. In view of the horrible deception practiced by China, causing this pandemic, I think that is fair.If you want to convince me that this is racist, you need to first define "racist."
I’m that is unfair even Bill GatES said that pinning blame on China at this stage in the game is unfair And blame should be found after we’re done with the pandemic. He also said that China did certain things right in the pandemic such as releasing information about the virus genome early on.
Besides it already has a scientific name making a new one is just to incite racism and hatred. I’m not calling you a racist specifically but the practice you’re indulging encourages racism and hatred. Just a few days ago a homeless man called me chink and told me to fuck off. Racist attacks in America are on the rise and Asians in America largely had nothing to do with this disease.
1. This isn't a question about the computer business, so why should I care about what Bill Gates thinks? I form my own opinions.2. Do you call them Canis lupus familiaris? That is their scientific name, but you probably don't use it, do you? You probably call them English bulldogs. Is that racist?3. Your response has the aroma of the PC culture. "Let's be nice and not blame anyone or hold them responsible." That doesn't work in the real world.4. My best friend in this site is Chinese, now living in the US. My last LTR was with a native American. I have dated several Hispanic and Asian women. I am not a racist but I don't succumb to PC pressure.5. I asked you to define "racist" and you have failed to do so. If you really want a discussion, define the term.
This virus already has a scientific name and common name Covid19 and coronavirus. There’s no need to call it Chinese virus other than to incriminate people.I did not claim that YOU are racist but since you keep insisting on a definition of racism I’ll say that racism is anything that denigrates an entire group of people.I’m not trying to advance PC culture just for the sake of PC culture I’m trying to discourage racist hate crimes against Asians that’s a real problem right now in the world.
I think the Chinese people who are responsible for unleashing this viruses deserve to be attacked in a violent manner. That are mass murderers.Blindly attacking someone because they are Chinese is extremely stupid, because there are over a billion Chinese people and very few of them shoulder any responsibility for this matter.By your definition of racism, if I say that Jamaicans are horrible at the Winter Olympics, then that is a racist statement. . . . Try again.
Where was your outrage when the anti-Trump Media was calling it the Chinese/Wuhan Virus for months? It is only "racist" according to you when Trump does it.https://twitter.com/i/status/1238186498433966081www.breitbart.com/.../
An excellent point, @genuinlysensitive!
That is not a good point at all. No one in real life calls it "the Chinese virus". Only people on online chat boards who covertly want to encourage hatred and incrimination. Where's the line between calling it "the Chinese virus" and then spitting on the next Chinese person you see? This unnecessary nomenclature is just an excuse to incriminate and deviate from actual science.
@OlderAndWiser here's something why don't you give me your definition of racism and I'll just dump on it instead?
@OlderAndWiser whether or not it's an example of dictionary defined racism is besides the main point. The issue is that it's unneccessary nomenclature not no one actually subscribes to in real life and is only advanced by online message boards to encourage incrimination against innocent people.
You are making unwarranted assumptions. I have called it the Chinese virus and, three months ago, CNN and other liberal media outlets were calling it the Wuhan virus. Were they inviting attacks on everyone who is from Wuhan?
Isn't racism a state of mind and not a particular set of words?
Names can have consequences is all I'm saying. You can argue that "Yellow Peril" is not racist either but at that point I feel like you're just trying to say "red" is not "red". But whatever if you truly think that such a heated name is not racist then just do what you think is normal. Not sure this argument is worth pursuing... anyways whatever.
Racism is an attitude, an intent, and not the words themselves. You are assuming that EVERYONE who uses the expression Chinese Flu is doing so with the intent of inciting violence. You are not considering any other evidence of intent because you have already judged the person on the basis of two words. If I judge someone strictly on the basis of their skin color, that would be prejudice. When you judge someone strictly on the basis of two words, that is prejudice.
Okay I guess you have a point some people are attempting to sound scientific. Ok then.
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1. Wes Nile Virus2. Guinea Worm3. Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever4. Lyme Disease5. Ross River Fever6. Omsk Hemorrhagic Fever7. Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever8. Spanish Flu9. Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS)10. Marburg Virus DiseaseAnd many more named after the places they originated. None of those people have " seen increase in levels of racism they face". Where was the outrage from the anti-Trumpers when FOR MONTHS the anti-Trump media called it the Wuhan/Chinese Virus? *Crickets* It only becomes political for anti-Trumpers when after decades of scientific practice and months of anti-Trump media covering it as the Wuhan/Chinese virus that Leftists are suddenly upset, after Trump does what scientists and the media did!https://twitter.com/i/status/1238186498433966081www.breitbart.com/.../https://youtu.be/7zatCqqRY_I
@genuinlysensitive So you cite breitbart an alt-right news once even came up on troll new list.Read the comments again. The first and the most important, and major point is Buffoon's INTENT!!Not hard to grasp that concept. It was his precise intent to be deliberately provocative, no one called it Chinese virus, if you look above I also called it Wuhun virus, that's what Chinese were calling it themselves. Official name was Covid19, that was used all over the world. Trump DELIBERATELY as usual ran his ignorant mouth and wanted to be provocative. The concept you deliberately as usual Trump supporter conveniently overlook again. Its NOT Buffoon calling it Chinese virus, but his deliberate attempt to be provocative. People are under quarantine people are agitated, some people have taken to themselves in blaming Asians, I'm sure you've seen news. Asians have been spat on attacked, increased levels of racism, because people are unhappy being in quarantine. Trump deliberately is flaming those fires, not the first time. You Trump supporters conveniently trying to find pathetic excuses for his behavior. Those on your list majority are not named on nationality but location, same as it would be Wuhun not Chinese. Not to mention it'll be SARS that'll be Chinese virus NOT Covid19, it'll technically be Chinese virus 2.0.Maybe instead of try find pathetic excuses for pathetic excuse for a president why not you tell me why go out of your way to call something Chinese virus when all around the world its known as Covid 19, and only buffoon and his supporters seem hell bent on calling it Chinese virus?
What about the Spanish flu though? Shouldn't that be taken down
Racism ran pretty high back then. It's not to say racism isn't still high, but, it was pretty bad back thenAgain, they are viruses, no one country caused it
And by the way, for those people who listen ro rush limbaugh, and his bullshit rantsIt's not the 19th coronavirus they've found. They named it covid 19 because it happened in 2019It's not the 19th virus, idiot, limbaugh
That "idiot" Limbaugh (that is dying of cancer) is laughing all the way to the bank. I wish I was that big of an "idiot".
The Spanish flue was named after where it was discovered by scientists and not its origin 🌹
sorry that's Spanish journalists who reported the disease
@mindNsoul smallpox kind of came from Spain though. Would it be fair to call Smallpox the “Caucasian virus” or something like that? Sorry just being defensive.
@theChineseWASP You don't need to be.. If a virus was named neutrally following a certain country name or even the country itself claimed the virus to honour the memories of those who lost their life. Then sure why not. The Chinese virus was used intentionally to offend the Chinese government and speak down to them. And now we are surprised why people got offended! Just ridiculous tbh. Anyway it is not what you say is more of how you say it sorta thing. And if I was you I will stop getting upset or warmed up over this.
@mindNsoul okay sorry. I agree neutral naming is helpful but if people start pinpointing me I get defensive. A few days ago I was walking to supermarket and a homeless guy called me Chink and told me to fuck off. Of course I’m not saying all society is like that but I’m definitely more on edge now these days.
@theChineseWASP It's alright don't be bothered by it.. humanity will always fail you as it failed that homeless man before you. Just try to stay cool as you can't fight smoke. Stay positive and stay strong. But I get where you came from and I didn't feel attacked by you in anyway. I actually don't care much about this as I know the name won't change. But I am not Chinese nor American so I can't claim to know how it feels to walk in your shoe. Have a blessed day🌹
Where was all these accusations when for months the Anti-Trump media called it the Wuhan/Chinese virus? I guess nothing is racist until Trump says it? I guess the meida could Use the N word and you wouldn't find it racist!www.breitbart.com/.../https://twitter.com/i/status/1238186498433966081
@genuinlysensitive why do you spam on every comment? Are you an idiot?
@theChineseWASP dont you think a lot needs to change in the Chinese culture after this? Like get rid of those animal markets? And get rid of corrupt officials. Also punish people who spread it more, I saw a video of some Chinese in an elevator purposely coughing and spreading the virus
@Asker China has introduced some changes like there's been a country wide ban on eating dogs and Wuhan has banned the sale of wildlife. The Chinese government is trying to improve some things but too many people just blindly want revenge that is not possible to satisfy...
@Asker I personally agree to everything you said in terms of corrections that China need to take and I think the entire world will agree. Even @thechinesewasp is agreeing. Concerning the video you saw, there are sick twisted people everywhere. The same happened in the UK and in my country too. Some people are just crazy. There is enough evil in this world but we can't judge a whole nation by the acts of few. I dare you to name one nation that has zero crimes, stupidity and ignorance! There is none. It comes with the package of having free will as humans. To choose right or to choose wrong.
@mindNsoul most other countries dont have animal markets like that though. At least not western ones they have banned for a while.
@Asker wet markets are not the sole reason for disease. It’s more broadly tied to intensive agriculture and deforestation. These practices pushed bats into human habitats which ultimately contributed to the disease. Having a wet market in and of itself can not start a pandemic. China is just unlucky in that it’s trying to feed it’s population but then increases the risk for disease. Of course wet markets don’t help but the true reason is deeper...If people have to blame something maybe like “PRC virus“ is even more sensible. “Chinese virus” just too inflammatory I think.
@Asker I feel like I’ve given many sound reasons for why calling it “the Chinese virus” is not very scientific or appropriate but it doesn’t seem like you care or bother to correct me...
@Asker my opinion regarding the wet market is the same as yours. I understand and I am aware of what the @theChineseWASP is saying concerning other factors contributing to the risk of an outbreak but those are not as significant. All over the world humans are distroying wilde animals habitats but outbreaks like this rarely happen. And the number of outbreaks throughout history that are linked to wet markets/ wild markets are not something we should minimize and/ or turn a blind eye to.Now do I blame the Chinese people? absolutely no. Do I hold policy makers and the educated society in China accountable and responsible? definitely yes. We should be able to criticize behaviors without offending anyone or people getting defensive. That's the only way we can grow and for the human civilization to progress. Does calling the virus 'The Chinese Virus' helps with anything? No it doesn't and it is more of school backyard name calling and bullying behavior.
@mindNsoul have you seen how most Chinese or Asian countries treat animals? It's fkn pathetic. The Chinese need to take more responsibility for these things
@Asker I knew you didn’t care about science you just want to find ways to spread hate on the Chinese. I even shared articles with how Chinese government is trying to control animal trade and outlaw wild animals but it doesn’t matter to you apparently. They’re just perpetually “the enemy” no wonder western media is accused of bias. Whether democrat or republican it’s both mostly the same.
@theChineseWASP I dont even support trump or hate China. I just dont think they have good hygiene or health and safety standards. Is that really a problem to think that? It's not racism it's just wlfrom what I have seen and heard.
@asker ok sorry well then I agree. Their health standards are not world class and should be improved. I also think education in China should be improved so that normal Chinese people would stop doing stupid stuff like eating wild animals or pissing in public or something barbaric like that. Even though I like my culture and people even I think there are some retarded stupid Chinese people like my dad for example haha. It’s still a backwards country after all. But to a foreign person im the same as them because of how I look. I can’t stomach being treated that way sorry so I get ultra defensive sorry.
@theChineseWASP All countries have issues. For example I wouldn't care if they called the "Iraq War", "The American War" . And I don't agree on attacks on Chinese in western countries who have nothing to do with it. The whole world is in a bad state now so there will be a lot of grumpy people going around.
Yeah that makes sense sorry. I blame stupid people...
Just a few days ago I was walking to the grocery store and a homeless guy called me a chink and told me to fuck off. Racist attacks are on the rise around the world. It's better not to encourage racist attacks against innocent Asian people.
SmallPox came from Egypt but we don’t call it Egyptian Virus. There’s a lot of things where that naming system is inappropriate and would break down.
@Asker I’m reporting your question for being offensive.
No one openly wants to admit something is racist that doesn’t mean it’s not offensive. Tons of hate is now being directed at innocent Asians.
China has now banned eating dogs and Wuhan has banned selling wildlife. China is trying to do a lot of things to rectify itself but people only want to find reasons to hate.
www.cbsnews.com/.../Of course a lot of changes still need to be done but at least they're working on it...
@genuinlysensitive Stop spamming you dolt. None of those things were a pandemic. Imagine if we called SmallPox "Egyptian virus" or "Caucasian virus". There's no reason to create a new name other than to just attack a group of people. I don't care about supporting Liberals or Trump or whatever I just attack hate/discrimination against Asians in all of its forms.
@Asker so joe you’ve enabled tons of people to spout hate speech against Chinese people with your question. If this isn’t hatred enabling then what is it? This is completely unfair and incriminatory of my people for no reason.
I feeL unfairly attacked by this question and the provocation that Covid19 should instead be called “Chinese virus”. I feel that it unfairly targets me and people like me.
Why is there so much hate of East Asians during this coronavirus crisis? ↗
1. Ebola2. Guinea Worm3. Zika Fever4. West Nile VirusAll diseases named after places in Africa. In fact not only was the original name of COVID "Wuhan Pnemonia" the media refered to it as Wuhan/Chinese virus FOR MONTHS before Trump did it with ZERO outrage.https://twitter.com/i/status/1238186498433966081www.breitbart.com/.../
They all relate to rivers, forests, and gulfs. Not races of people, who could get offended by that. Calling it by a race of people, could cause upset to a race making it racially insensitive. What's in a name why not keep it as COVID or even Wuhan. Maybe it's a American culture thing, in which case that would make a strong argument. Yeah I don't know, why people hate on Trump and automatically negatively interpret his intentions, but I don't follow American news either.
I dont think I've ever met anyone who hates Spain because of the Spanish flu
Then you don't know your history.
I probably know more than you.
You spell causes , cases too? You are a liberal if I ever have seen one, and I have seen many. Are you a member of the socialist Party of Ireland? Nothing racist about it. Now if you called it slanty eyes 19 , sure that would be.
@888theGreat If you really wanna pick on typos here your use of commas is horrific and you're phrasing is uncomfortable to read.I'm not liberal nor from Ireland, and I highly doubt you've never met a liberal. It is certainly racist for multiple reasons.
Trust me , a rock would know more.
No you don't
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How is it racist when it's where it came from?
Context is everything.. if a virus was named by a group of scientists sitting in a lab is different than if a virus was named to steer up hate and political agenda. And not everything is about partisan for God sake!
@Asker it already has a scientific name. Why make up a new except to stir up hatred? Majority of Chinese people had nothing to do with this disease not fair to incriminate all of them.
Exactly my original comment! Waste of time and resources debating something that was intended to be offensive for a virus that already has a name that will never be changed. All history and medical books will know it as SARS-CoV-2 aka COVID-19!
Yes where was you outrage when the anti-Trump media was "promoting hatred" for months. I guess its only racist if Trump does it. The media could say the N word and Leftist like you would give them a pass!https://twitter.com/i/status/1238186498433966081www.breitbart.com/.../
@Asker it depends on how you’re using the name. If you saying “Chinese” in a scientific sounding way then I think there’s no problem but most people use Chinese just to incite hatred against Chinese people. Can you give me an example where “Chinese virus” is scientific sounding and not used to incriminate Chinese people?
I don't think so, you hated Trump from day one, admit it.
I would think someone who reads "The global headlines" would know that the media was calling it the Wuhan/Chinese virus for MONTHS before Trump did it. But its not racist when someone anti-Trump does it, only when Trump does it. The media could say the N word and the anti-Trumpers would give them a pass!https://twitter.com/i/status/1238186498433966081www.breitbart.com/.../
How about " The Chinese Bat Virus"🤔🤔?
I think we can move past the “Chinese” blame assignment at this point.. the rest of the world has done pretty terribly containing it as well..
It already ha a scientific name why create a new one?
That naming system doesn’t work for absolutely everything.
Coronavirus came from Wuhan it would be more appropriate to call if Wuhan SARS if we have to use that system but like I said it already has a scientific name. Calling it a Chinese virus is just to stir up hate and racism.
@theChineseWASP All the other viruses I listed also have scientific names.Why call a lion a lion? Don't you know it has a scientific name?Maybe it's because, in everyday speech, saying "Panthera leo" isn't as easy. But if you say "lion," people know what you mean.And, correct, that naming system isn't used for everything. But it is used for some things. And you need a better reason than "I'm chinese and I don't like it" for me to give a shit.I'm sure people in Lyme, Connecticut, aren't thrilled every time they hear something about Lyme disease.
If a disease spreads as easily at Covid19 it’s no longer useful to describe it but where it started. SmallPox started in Egypt but we don’t call it Egyptian virus. That would be interpreted as inciting hatred for no reason since it already has a scientific name. China is a huge country of a billion people. It makes no sense to blame all those people for A single natural event that happened in one place.
The original name for the Coronavirus was "Wuhan Pnemonia". COVID-19 was a demand from the WHO, controlled by the Chinese Communist Party that anyone who made reference to Wuhan or China was racist. Keep in mind the media still called it Wuhan/Chinese virus without a peep from you or anyone else UNTIL Trump said it!https://twitter.com/i/status/1238186498433966081www.breitbart.com/.../
The virus didn’t originate from Chinese people, not fair to blame all Chinese people for a natural event.
Scientifically speaking, the first case was registered in Wuhan, China so it is believed that it’s origin is China. Me personally, I believe it’s been around for quite some time before someone came out and said oh there’s this new virus and the epicentre is Wuhan, so don’t blame it on me, the majority of people believe the patient zero was a resident of Wuhan.It is true that it’s stupid to be called “the chinese virus” but someone else said it very well in the comments, it happened with the Spanish flu too. It’s a global pandemic people focus too much on blaming China for not telling the world on time and tried to shut doctor’s mouths when they tried to talk about this new virus, I personally don’t support the way China handled it, if they weren’t withdrawing information other countries could’ve reacted in a better way, but anyway what’s done is done and we should all focus on how we can beat the illness rather than blaming China, WHO, whoever can be blamed really, that’s just unnecessary waste of energy that could be put towards something else.Also I don’t know why chinese people think it’s racist to call the virus that way but they’re okay to deny access to black people, not just that but quarantine them even though they don’t have symptoms, or beat them up to death.. cause they believe it came from Africa and not China... that’s what’s racist to me and not calling the virus a certain way.
Not all Chinese people live in China. I live in America and tons of hate crimes against Chinese in America. Just a few days ago a homeless man called me Chink and told me to fuck off. Everyone blaming Chinese people around the world for Chinese people in China is unfair.
I know that and I’m sorry to hear that you experienced such a thing. I think some people just feel the need to offend any chinese cause it’s more about the fact that it all started in your country (or at least that’s what we’re being told) and not that you’re carrying the virus if that makes sense. I live in London and Chinese people over here suffer too. And what you just said is an absolute example of what racism is, but calling a virus after the place it started from is not.
I know that and I’m sorry to hear that you experienced such a thing. I think some people just feel the need to offend any chinese cause it’s more about the fact that it all started in your country (or at least that’s what we’re being told) and not that you’re carrying the virus if that makes sense. I live in London and Chinese people over here suffer too. And what you just said is an absolute example of what racism is, but naming** a virus after the place it started from is not.
Where is your outrage on all the other diseases named after their origin? Where was your outrage when the anti-Trump media for months called it the "Wuhan/Chinese" virus?https://twitter.com/i/status/1238186498433966081www.breitbart.com/.../I guess its fine unless Trump says it right? Race bait much?
Same with the Spanish Flu. It didn't originate from Spain though. But the Spanish journalists were the first to report on it
I don’t think people would call it an Indian virus. SmallPox started in Europe but we don’t call it “Caucasian” virus or something like that.. it already has scientific name so we should just stick with that...
And if it started in the USA and the rest of the world called it " The American Virus", the presidouche would screaming his tiny twitter fingers off and threatening to withhold aid from any country whose people say that, while blaming it all on someone else. LMAO.
1. German Measles2. Spanish Flu3. Marburg Virus4. Ross River Fever5. Omsk Hemorrhagic Fever6. St. Louis Encephalitis7. Rocky Mountain Spotted FeverThese are just a few diseases named after places in Europe/America. So you are wrong about that. Not to mention the anti-Trump media has for months called it the Wuhan/Chinese Virus. But thats ok right, its only racist if Trump calls it that.https://twitter.com/i/status/1238186498433966081www.breitbart.com/.../
👏🏼 good job
@genuinlysensitive racist attacks against Asians are surging stop encouraging hate attacks. Just the other day a homeless man called me Chink and told me to fuck off. Your pro Trump agenda is not helping to promote peace and cooperation.
Lol. Call him a cracker or whatever then
@7771999 I don't have to waste my time with a homeless person. He's already homeless what more could I do to him? Lots of homeless white people in America probably because the family culture in Western society is so rotten.
Also because the state prefers helping minorities in every aspect. LolBut yeah. So why care what he says.
@7771999 the irony is that the state is created by white people. White people allow themselves to become homeless drug addicts and then blame minorities smh 🤦♀️ whatever not my concern to fix screw ups...
They don't blame minorities. They blame the self hating and Jewish lobbied state
@genuinlysensitive As I said in my comment, it's not "racist" ... it's dumb and pointless, which is a Trump speaking pattern no matter what the subject. Not ONLY that, but he is using the geographic origin of the virus to deflect his outright denial of its seriousness and his incompetency in dealing with controlling its spread in the US. So... this particular time his remarks aren't racist, they're just the usual Trump deflection of responsibility and blame shift tactic. Besides, simply because a "thing" has been done in the past doesn't mean it should be done again. Time and situations change.
I hate initiating arguments
You're fine @theChineseWASP
@theChineseWASP Did he just say "Jewish lobbied state" Holy fuck. Unbelievable.
Another liberal speaks
@888theGreat Yeah. Its sad how being correct has become a trait of liberals.
But it already has a scientific name.
@theChineseWASP So does the German Measles ; but we still refer to it as such.
I’ve almost never heard anyone call it the Chinese Virus... cause it already has a name...
If people decided on it first then sure but it already got a scientific name and the people wanted to call it Chinese afterward just to spur on hatred. Sorry but I just angry.
@theChineseWASP It was called the Wuhan Flu before they officially named it Covid-19.
Wuhan makes more sense. But anyway this disease spreads so easily it doesn’t make sense anymore. SmallPox started in Egypt but we don’t call it a Egyptian virus. Cause it’s not as informative anymore if we call it that way. A few days ago A homeless man called me chink at grocery store. Racist attacks in America on the rise. I am just sensitive and don’t approve of these trends. Pandemics are natural events not Asian events...
@theChineseWASP It is unfortunate that their are stupid asshats that think it is okay to hurl racial epitaphs at random people. As for smallpox, you could point to plenty of such disease that aren't named by the place they are from; but then there is also quite a few that are like the Spanish Flu, West Nile Virus, Ebola, Lyme Disease, etc. I just don't like the talking point that calling this virus the Chinese Flu is racist as it is a talking point of the Chinese government. Which has been repressing its people for generations. So I don't like it when they to get away with anything more than they already have.
It's one of many ways diseases are named but in this case, the virus already had a name.
I love how no one complained when the media called it Wuhan/Chinese virus for months. ONLY when Trump does it do people start to race bait!www.breitbart.com/.../https://twitter.com/i/status/1238186498433966081
Yeah Chinese flu is slightly better than Chinese virus...
@theChineseWASP sorry i got the wording wrong, I meant Chinese virus
It already has a name so making anew one is just to incite racism and hatred. It’s like if we decided to call SmallPox European virus or something like that.
1. German Measles2. Spanish Flu3. Marburg Virus4. Ross River Fever5. Omsk Hemorrhagic Fever6. St. Louis Encephalitis7. Rocky Mountain Spotted FeverThese are just a few diseases named after places in Europe/America. Not to mention for months the anti-Trump media has said Chinese/Wuhan Virus and no one called them racist. COULD POLITICS have something to do with your sudden view that this is racist?https://twitter.com/i/status/1238186498433966081www.breitbart.com/.../https://youtu.be/7zatCqqRY_I
@genuinlysensitive YESS YOU GOOO!!!
@genuinlysensitive I am not anti-Trump I am anti Asian discrimination. I personally don’t mind Trump. Stop making this about liberals vs conservatives or whatever...
No one calls it Chinese virus in real life.
But everyone calls it Covid 19, why call it Chinese? Not to mention it'll be called Wuhun virus not Chinese, and SARS would've been called Chinese virus.
1. Spanish Flu2. Japanese Encephalitis3. German Measles4. Hong Kong FluAll diseases named after the countries where they originated, and there are many more. Not only is this not a big deal, the anti-Trump media for months called it the Wuhan/Chinese VIrus. I guess if you are anti-Trump you get a pass?https://twitter.com/i/status/1238186498433966081www.breitbart.com/.../
It still can cause hatred though...
@theChineseWASP that's on china
Calling it a Chinese virus can spread hatred on Chinese people.
@theChineseWASP to deny it causes more
That doesn’t make sense
@theChineseWASP it makes Chinese people look guilty
We don't do this anymore, fwiw, because it creates a permanent stigma against that place. This is why Ebola is named after a river & not either of the towns it broke out in
also 'swine flu', 'bird flu', 'SARS', etc. There has been an intentional shift away from using placenames for diseases since somewhere in the 20th century
Ah a fair point
Plus it already had the name "coronavirus".
@Laura_Marx Who cares what they think? They are our enemy. You don't kiss the ass of your enemy.
@Laura_Marx "We don't do this anymore, fwiw, because it creates a permanent stigma against that place"Do they still name diseases after the person that discovered a disease?
@888theGreat Hey man, they're not *my* enemy!
@Aislin9 those are usually hereditary diseases rather than epidemics, right? Crohn's, Lyme's etc...
@Laura_Marx So only diseases that can be blamed on starting in a particular area are now socially outlawed?
@Aislin9 strange to find you objecting to this! Crohn's disease being named after Bernard Berril Crohn honours him because we understand that he played some significant role in operationalizing its treatment. Naming Ebola 'the Yubuku virus' would impress on the world that Yubuku was, foremost, the place that gave us a terrible disease. Naming a disease after a man honours the man, naming a disease after a town dishonours the town.
@Laura_Marx Why would you think it would dishonor a town and not a man?
@Laura_Marx Mostly a disease is named after someone who discovers it, not cures it, fyi
@888theGreat you’re being ridiculous. Deciding not to call people a virus is not “kissing their ass”...
@Aislin9 well they discover it in order that it might be cured, thats the purpose of 'pathologization' - no one discovered wheezing, but someone discovered asthma, rightIt dishonors the town because it creates a stigma about it. I don't know why you're being difficult about this. Do you really think if you lived in 'AIDs Town' there wouldn't be a stigma?
@Laura_Marx It has nothing to do with a cure, only the person who discovers it. There are countless examples of that. The disease is found in an area and in the past, that has been normal to name it based on the region. There are many instances that there is no stigma attached to it. The West Nile Virus, Ross River Fever, Lyme Disease, Spanish flu, German measles, MERS, Norovirus... all named after places but there is no stigma attached to it. The virus originated in China (like many, many others) in the wet market. This is apparently to blame for the virus. Did you know they've reopened those wet markets now? Racism against an entire population is not good but it's bound to happen (it already exists anyway). Perhaps the big push away from the naming it Wuhan virus was to absolve the Chinese communist party of all responsibility. Officials from China have since blamed the US for planting the virus. Tensions between the US and China are high and I think there is a good possibility of war unfortunately.
@Aislin9 Viruses are often given names after the place that they first originated if THEY DON'T ALREADY HAVE A NAME. Coronavirus did: it was called CORONAVIRUS.
@Ad_Quid_Orator It was also referred to the Wuhan virus. Here is an example in a medical journal:2019-nCoV (Wuhan Virus), a Novel Coronavirus: Human-To-Human Transmission, Travel-Related Cases, and Vaccine Readiness https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32088679/
@Aislin9 The paper used it's official name first and only called it the "Wuhan Virus" in parenthesis. Many diseases have multiple names but that doesn't preclude a certain place name from being used as a dog whistle.
@Ad_Quid_Orator MERS is a coronavirus too but now it's just called MERS. It's not a big deal to the middle east.
@Aislin9 Because that is the strains' original name like 2019-nCoV is this pandemic's original name.
Also, if MERS caused a pandemic and someone called it the "Middle Eastern Virus" (even though that's in the name) they would probably be considered racist to.
@Ad_Quid_Orator "Also, if MERS caused a pandemic and someone called it the "Middle Eastern Virus" (even though that's in the name) they would probably be considered racist to"Well, that would be stupid since that's it's name. A name isn't racist. What you're really stating is that country shouldn't be held responsible for an outbreak because of where it first appeared and that to me is questionable in itself. When you shut people down on a discussion "because it's racist", then we have a problem. I have told people here (writing about how much they hate the Chinese to f off). Only time I cursed at anyone on here. That person was racist but the term is not.
@Aislin9 A name isn't racist in and of itself but the context in which it's used can be (ever heard of a dog whistle). I'm not saying that the policies employed by a government that lead to the outbreak is racist. I'm saying that using a name to attach a stigma to an entire group is and you're using the Orwellian "you call everything you don't agree with 'racist'" trope to shut down people who call out racist dog whistles.
@Ad_Quid_Orator "I'm saying that using a name to attach a stigma to an entire group "But it hasn't caused a problem or been an issue with an other name associated with a region. Plenty of people have gotten different diseases from other areas as well. I have no problem with the Wuhan virus as a name (Chinese also called it that), Chinese virus seems inaccurate and too broad. I also think absolving China from blame is the wrong thing to do. They just reopened the wet market again. Just think about that for a while.
@Aislin9 can you just admit you're not an expert on one thing, one time?
you dont know what you're talking about
@Laura_Marx Go fuck yourself.
@Aislin9 China reopened wet markets but it has also introduced new laws too. Dogs have been banned in all of China and Wuhan specifically has banned wildlife trade. I’m not saying we should absolve China or all responsibility but they are at least trying to make changes. www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...animals-five-years.html www.google.com/.../
@Laura_Marx You don't have an argument and you're obviously a man.
@Aislin9 My argument was 'this is not common practice anymore because it creates a stigma'. The fact that they called a disease the Spanish flu 100 years ago doesn't bear on it. I just don't understand why you're digging your heels into *this* issue when you obviously aren't interested in actually engaging with the ethics, or any of the work done on the ethics, or any of the history of the ethics, of epidemology. Why on *this* issue, which only exists because of right-wing needling, as imbecilic as 'freedom fries' was? I've managed to avoid getting angry at people on this website since coming back but this one broke my spirit, I gotta say. Seeing someone who's supposed to be a feminist flatly reject empathy as a reasonable consideration to prove a point that I can't even understand - it hurts me, man
@Laura_Marx aislin9 blocked me but I wish she could read my links. Also I was on this site five years ago as hYpno-trip were you around then your username sounds familiar.
@theChineseWASP yes, as I understand it wet markets are not usually animal markets, its usually a food market for fisheries & buchers stalls etc. (hence 'wet'), that one just happened to have a live animal stall, & live animal stalls have been banned for now.
@theChineseWASP oh shit!!! hypno-trp!!! Yeah!!! we were friends! you had a keyboard that kept kicking into chinese characters right
@Laura_Marx I know can you believe it’s been five years geez...
@Aislin9 You complain about using accusations of racism to shut down discussions but now you're throwing out catfish accusations to do the same?At least the accusations of racism you mentioned before have some relevance to the issue at hand LOL.
@Ad_Quid_Orator hehe I don't think she's accusing me of catfishing, I think she's calling me a man because I'm trans & she knows it'll get to me. She blocked me right after. I did get mad at her, so.
@Laura_Marx she calls girls she doesn’t agree with a man. I honestly didn’t know you were trans lol.
@Laura_Marx Talk about dropping a putrid pile of red herrings on her part.Seriously, that's low.
Either way, that's dumb AF on her part.
Yes, I correct a socialist on her spelling , which everyone here knows I am right and she starts crying about it. She should just come out and say , yes , I am stupid, can't spell, and I am a runaway socialist
Your comment is not making a lot of sense the way it is written...
Or even the Japanese Encephalitis, the first case of this was in Japan.
I thought you were cool but you just promoting racism.
There’s a difference between Calling it a Chinese encephalitis and a Chinese virus. It’s encouraging discrimination and hatred.
@theChineseWASP I also though you were cool. But it turns out you're a delusional idiot.
Just a few days ago I got called chink. Racism on the rise I’m trying to protect myself and my peopel
It already has a scientific name anyway.
@theChineseWASP The Japanese Encephalitic is a virus. I did not say Chinese Encephalitic, that's not even a thing. The Chinese Corona Virus is named after were it came from. Just like the Ebola disease it was first discovered near the Ebola River. GET OVER IT. We have TONS of things named after were they came from, who discovered, or favored them. And if people really are hating a race because a virus was named after that race, they are immature and dumb.
China is a huge country. It’s more accurate to say Wuhan Coronavirus if we have to name it from somewhere but this disease spreads so easily that a place name is no longer that useful. Just stick with the scientific name it already has...
@theChineseWASP Chinese Corona virus is its name. It is named after the country it came from.
Just like the dog breed German Shepard. Came from Germany.
There’s a lot of things where that naming system breaks down. It’s origin point is sometimes not that useful for naming something and it already has a scientific name anyway...
@theChineseWASP Almost everything has a scientific name, but we don't generally call it by that.
I've heard almost no one call it the Chinese virus..
@theChineseWASP Yeah, because it takes longer to say. But that doesn't mean its not another name for it. P. S If you keep getting attacked frequently try training yourself how to fight
That's BS. I shouldn't be getting targeted for my ethnicity when I did nothing wrong. Stop advocating disgusting BS.
@theChineseWASP You should learn how to fight in general. And if you really have a problem with me ignore or block me.
@theChineseWASP You shouldn't get attacked because of your race.
Well thanks I guess..
Saying "Chinese Virus" is NOT targeting you because of your ethnicity! In fact the media did it for months, but you didn't seem to care... UNTIL Trump did it. Interesting.https://twitter.com/i/status/1238186498433966081www.breitbart.com/.../
@genuinlysensitive Very interesting
@genuinlysensitive "Wuhan Coronavirus" is more scientific sounding than just "Chinese virus".
@OceanMelon No one in real life calls it "the Chinese Virus" you are defending something that is not even commonplace. In my opinion you're just trying to promote incrimination of Asians. And you're only 13 too this is ridiculous. I wonder what kind of community you were raised in to be this racist and hateful already at this age.
@theChineseWASP If you think I'm being hateful you clearly are not that smart.
Your response is that I'm stupid? How juvenile are you?
@theChineseWASP Hey, you started this.
@theChineseWASP And I did not say you were stupid, I said you were not that smart
No one in real life calls it "the Chinese virus". I gave a clear reason why your reasoning is flawed and all you can say is that I'm a "delusional idiot" or "not that smart". These aren't refutations just attacks.,..
@theChineseWASP And I gave you the reason why most people call it by its other name.
Its easier to say
@theChineseWASP Now, as I said before, if you have a problem with me, Block me or ignore me.
That's a pretty dumb reason and I'm pretty sure you know it. "Chinese virus" is not that hard to say if people really want to commit to using it. But whatever I'm not sure you have the credentials to be an expert on this subject anyway so whatever...
Where was all this outrage when the anti-Trump media did it for months?https://twitter.com/i/status/1238186498433966081www.breitbart.com/.../
Yea, Chinese Gov't trying to wipe someone out , but who? Their own people? Destroy US economy to make them #1?
@888theGreat The Chinese government are very hard to understand. Logic just doesn't work with them...
This virus spreads so easily that a geographical place name is not as useful. Just saying from a scientific perspective...
1. Wes Nile Virus2. Guinea Worm3. Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever4. Lyme Disease5. Ross River Fever6. Omsk Hemorrhagic Fever7. Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever8. Spanish Flu9. Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS)10. Marburg Virus DiseaseAnd many more named after the places they originated. It is useful from a scientific perspective because you need to trace the path of the outbreak. Just saying from a scientific perspective...ALSO, from a scientifice perspective the media has been calling it the Wuhan/Chinese virus for months before Trump did with Zero reaction or accusations of racism. Using the scientific method we can deduce this whole thing is nothing but POLITICALLY BIASED race baiting.https://twitter.com/i/status/1238186498433966081www.breitbart.com/.../https://youtu.be/7zatCqqRY_I
Yep, I second that motion
It already has a scientific name. Why make up a new one?
The ORIGINAL name given by CHINESE doctors was "Wuhan Pnemonia" it was the WHO that decided to give it a "new name". Why give it a new name? And no its not because "racsim" Hong Kong Flu, Japansese Encephalitis, etc., not to mention for months the anti-Trump media called it the Wuhan/Chinese virus:https://twitter.com/i/status/1238186498433966081www.breitbart.com/.../
@genuinlysensitive it already has a scientific name. “Chinese virus” is not a scientific sounding name.
Virus 19 or hoax 19 , the 1% disease , they all work
It did originate in Wuhan, China. Not only that the media for months called it the "Wuhan/Chinese" virus. Where was all your rage then? Seems it didn't start until Trump did the same thing the media did:https://twitter.com/i/status/1238186498433966081www.breitbart.com/.../
I don’t think anything was ever called the “black flu”.
@theChineseWASP you did not study enough about flu. go back to school
No you’re just spouting off nonsense to promote hatred against innocent people...
@theChineseWASP nope go back to school. why you don't mention about Spanish flu? Spanish flu is not racist to you? lol
SmallPox came from Egypt but we don’t call it Egyptian virus. Unnecessary and inflammatory. Spanish Flu does not cause hate crimes against Spanish people.
@theChineseWASP then why use this name? again you are Chinese and blame everyone when we call it Chinese virus. anyway Chinese are all filthy.
I made this username to have pride in my people after everyone attack them during the Covid19 pandemic. Chinese People create good and bad things just like Europeans created industrial revolution and also SmallPox. Proud of my heritage and peopleZ This was my explanation for why I chose this username What sexual superpower would you like to have? ↗
The first known case of the Spanish flu was reported at a military base in Kansas on March 11, 1918. It did NOT originate from Spain. The reason it is known as the "Spanish flu" is because the Spanish media was the only one willing to report on it, rather than sweep in under the rug like everyone else was doing, and the Spanish were not happy with that. Also, are you confused with the Black plague? Also known as the Bubonic plague? A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT pandemic?
Imagine spouting info that is completely made up? No wonder you went on anon lol
1. Ebola2. Spanish Flu3. Zika 4. West Nile VIrus5. Middle East Respitory Syndrome6. Valley Fever7. Malberg Virus8. Japanese Encephalitis9. German Measeles10. Lassa feverAnd many more diseases named after the country or area of origin, just like the Wuhan/Chinese Coronavirus. Amazing when the anti-Trump media was calling it the "Wuhan/Chinese virus" a few months ago, I didn't see you complaining about it!https://twitter.com/i/status/1238186498433966081www.breitbart.com/.../Race bait much?
@genuinlysensitive you should link who you’re talking to. Calling it “Chinese virus” is not scientific sounding and is just meant to cause hatred.
@theChineseWASP it's not hatred idiot
Violent attacks against Asians have experienced a surge. If it’s not hate mongering then what is it? The disease already has a scientific name why make up a new one? Just so people can find someone to attack.
@theChineseWASP you're full of bullshit. your country invented the virus made everyone die. now you claimed that you're the victim of racist. bullshit
I grew up in America and am Americanized. I am just attacked for being ethnically Chinese. I like China for traditional culture but I don’t want to live in China...
I blame stupid Chinese that eat wild animals but not every single Chinese person in the world does that just stupid uneducated minority. A minority of Americans eats snakes and alligators too doesn’t mean we should hate all Americans...
@theChineseWASP see? you're pathetic. you even hate your own country. yet you claimed that you're the "victim". once you live in foreign country, you have to behave properly. who you think you're? you're nothing. your country already depopulation humans, means they want to take back Chinese all over the world to go back to China. but what? Chinese people doesn't want to go back to China. when non Chinese claimed this is Chinese virus. it's not racist. if it's racist, then of course US would drag you out of their country. look! Chinese are so dumb. they got virus and they run away from china to all over the WORLD!!! and made every country affected. this is FUCKING BULLSHIT. so you must should be grateful that no one touch you. means they AREN'T RACIST. when they shouting at you to go back to your own country. means they aren't racist. just because you don't want to live in china.
I never said I hate China I said I respect China but obviously there are better countries even I won’t deny that. Everyone should respect their roots. I was born and raised in America since 1990 how should I be blamed? Or any majority of Chinese people? Just this stupid virus should be blamed. The majority of Chinese people are innocent.
I just don’t think we should target innocent people. Calling it “Chinese virus” is unnecessary and not scientific sounding...
@theChineseWASP again. bullshit.
I can’t really understand your writing anyway. Are you new to English?
What exactly does this mean: “ means they AREN'T RACIST. when they shouting at you to go back to your own country. means they aren't racist. just because you don't want to live in china.”? I can’t understand it grammatically.
A few days ago a homeless man called me a Chink and to fuck off. Even if I act civilized people will still target me because of my looks. How is this fair? I don’t think this is fair.
@theChineseWASP I don't understand you Chinese idiot. sad you don't even know Chinese language.
I know a little Chinese but not 100% fluent. 我会讲一点点中文。但我中文不是完美的。
@theChineseWASP or Nín zài shǐyòng fānyì qì ma?
我不是在用翻译。。。 but I feel weird using Chinese I am too Americanized...
It already has a scientific name no need to create a new one. "the Chinese virus" is not a scientific or even a common name...
i know that, and so does the other 20 people you've replied to saying this.
Then why does everyone support calling it "the Chinese virus"? Would anyone actually use that in serious everyday life? It's ridiculous.
I looked up to you. You were my here. I remember seeing your profile for the first time thinking, man, I wish I was cool like this girl ):
oh sorry. I read your comment, and i admit I'm having mixed feelings now.
It’s ok sorry to bother.
Second time we have agreed