Do men really like weak and fragile women?

[Anonymous]

I think men do not actually like weak or fragile women, rather, women who demonstrate femininity. Now, some might say that being weak and fragile is demonstration of femininity but I don’t think that is so. I think femininity, as it relates to what men say when asked what they believe it is in relation to women, is the behavior around being nurturing, loving, worrying, and caring.

A woman can be feminine, strong, courageous, and relentless at once.

I don’t want a weak woman.

I want a woman that can fight.
I want a woman that can persevere through adversity.
I don’t want a woman to be the type to run or leave my side when chaos ensues.
I don’t want a woman who isn’t courageous.

I don’t think men really like weak and fragile women, but if some do then those men are either weak, insecure, or both.

I also don’t think women want to be seen as weak or fragile.

I think some women might find these to be desirable because they think it’s feminine or “girly” to be this way, therefore they act as if they are this way so that they can be seen as feminine.

I like the idea of the warrior woman.

Historians may disagree on certain points on this topic, but perhaps there’s more evidence than not that there were aplenty of warrior women in ancient cultures of the past. These women would fight alongside the men in war and I’m not doubtful that they carried the same ferociousness, courageousness, and relentlessness in combat.

And they’re still feminine, still beautiful, still sensitive, still caring, and still loving.

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+1 y

We NEED more strong warrior women.

Women who workout consistently, toughening their minds and bodies in the process.

Women who don’t shy away from physical adversity.

Women who aren’t lazy.

Maybe it’s a biological thing. Maybe it’s a cultural thing.

BUT... women can be both strong warriors and very feminine ladies, that’s for certain.

[Cynicaldreamer]

What an interesting question. I think it varies based on the man and his confidence level. Yes, I get most men naturally feel obligated to defend his partner, but what's wrong with a woman being able to take care of herself? Especially if you're not there to take care of her. Do you really want a meek, weak woman that clings to you all the time?

In the past when I have told guys I like boxing, wrestling, and am capable of taking care of myself (Which yes, I am: it helps I grew up around guys and had two brothers so I was raised to be strong and resilient). Most men are instantly turned off or seem intimidated by that.

I can count on one hand how many men I've met over the years that seemed okay with me being strong and independent.
That's somewhat disappointing guys...

I know not all men are like that and some do like strong, fierce, independent women. And I applaud those of you that are. But yeah, I can say there are still men out there that want and expect women to be "weaker" than men and want to be protected.

[AD240pCharlie]

There's definitely no better feeling for men than to be able to "protect" the woman we're with. But no one is without sensitivities. Even the most hardcore fighters will need protection sometimes. But yes, if we NEVER get the chance to be protective over the women in our lives, then that is probably going to cause us to lose interest.

[Unit1]

Strong women intimidate weak men.
Gimme strong women 😍😍😍 I'll be strong with her!

[Porcelaine]

You are right, men like feminine women which often gets mistaken for weakness. Men who are confident and strong want a woman who is also confident and strong, but still feminine and not trying to be like a man to prove her strength, rather finding strong parts of being a woman. Men who are insecure and weak sometimes enjoy weak women, because it makes them look stronger. If a woman is helpless and fragile, it is much easier for them to impress rather than a woman who's got her life together.

[Barbaric]

Women weren't warriors like men were. The strength difference between men and women is too great, even with weapons like swords. It's unrealistic. I'm pretty sure most people who think that's real have never had a real fight, and instead think that for example the Vikings TV show where 120lb "shield maiden" Lagertha destroying 200lb+ men with ease is realistic.

I'm not saying that women can't be strong, or that being weak is good, but they're not men. It sounds like you might as well get yourself a boyfriend.

[Asker]

“Women weren’t warriors like men were”

Well, I’m sure they weren’t EXACTLY like men... Perhaps ancient warrior women favored different tactics and weaponry? Either way, your only metric for what makes a good warrior is strength, but your leave out so many other aspects that pertains to this issue such as mindset.

Of course if I give a woman a heavy steel club and tell her to be just as effective at using this weapon as a 275 LB, 6’6” man, I don’t have illusions that she’ll be just as effective. I’m perhaps not utilizing her in the most efficient way I can.

Of course there’s going to be shows for entertainment purposes, but that doesn’t mean real warrior women didn’t exist. Also, it’s the MINDSET I’m talking about more than anything.

A woman who gets training in shooting a gun to defend herself and family.
A woman who workouts everyday and never quits her routine
A woman who would rather die than leave her man’s side when he needs her.

THIS is what I’m referring to.

[Barbaric]

They didn't even exist. Here's a 200lb guy with a heavy sword Vs a 120lb woman with a small sword. The man is twice as strong, and welding a heavier weapon. She's not even gonna be able to block his swing. Even if she does she'll be knocked to the ground easily. It's completely unrealistic.

It also wouldn't make sense to have female warriors. It never has and never will. In the past people lived in tribes. For a tribe to survive it needed children. Women are the ones who get pregnant, give birth to children and nurture the young ones. If to many women die, the tribe is finished. Sending them to die in battle would make no sense at all, especially when they're not as efficient as men. They literally didn't exist.

Shieldmaidens did exist, but they weren't warriors. As the Roman historian Tacitus wrote in his book Germania in 98AD about the pagan Germanic tribes, they'd stand at the side of the battlefield to give encouragement to the men, and to give them spare weapons if they somehow lost theirs. Because what would actually happen in the event of loss would be that the women would be taken by the men of the winning tribe. They'd be raped and killed if they resisted, or they'd be forcibly taken as wives. Otherwise known as "war brides".

With guns? Maybe. Guns are an equaliser I guess.

[Asker]

I don’t think you read anything I wrote under my main question. You’re focusing on the small part of where I said there were ancient cultures that had warrior women... That’s not even the point of the whole topic or even why I wrote the question.

If you want to argue history, I’m no historian and I think you aren’t as well. Historians disagree on a lot of particulars I’m sure.

If you want to say a woman is on average physically weaker than a man, then I’d agree with you.

Again, I think you miss my entire point.

[HappyWoman34]

I’m stronger than half the men at the gym and most other women (but obviously I agree, in general, women are physically weaker than men and there are definitely men and women who’d be stronger than myself).

[nastyb]

@Barbaric

I think you're generalizing way too much. Not all men are strong while not all women are weak.

When I train just a little bit, I end up being stronger than vast majority of guys around my height and weight. I am naturally muscular gifted genetically.

[hellionthesagereborn]

The argument of weak and fragile women is given by feminists because that is how they see femininity, weak and fragile rather then what it is i. e. nurturing and caring. Men don't want weak women (I hate weak women and the irony is most of the ones I see that are weak are the ones who are not feminine and more often then not feminists), they want feminine women and the claims that women are fragile is just women who are weak trying to tear down feminine women because they can't make themselves feminine.

[RingOfFire]

I think all of these questions can be answered by looking at nature and evolution. Obviously men were designed to be the physically dominant members of not only a family but of society. They were designed by evolution and nature to be the protectors and providers. So it seems intuitive that anything that makes them feel like they are fulfilling their evolutionary and natural destiny, protecting and providing, gives them an inner sense of being in sync with their design and purpose so it makes them feel good.

They are always physically stronger than women (generalization of course. There are SOME women who are physically stronger than SOME men, but it is the exception not the rule). So they usually feel that they are able to protect in that sense.

I think women, maybe because of their hormone cycles, are far more likely to get emotionally unstable than men... call it weak if you like. So men get to feel like they can protect them from that state too by comforting them.

So sorry, I don't feel the necessity to give into the politically correct notion that men aren't stronger than women in the respects I described above. And to that extent yes I do think that men are more content when a woman is "weak and fragile" in the sense I talked about above. It is the natural state of men and women and I think it is true for both sexes that when they are in sync with their natural design they are more content.

Not going to BS is just to make the feminists happy.

[MrOracle]

You're making the mistake of trying to get people to choose from two radical extremes: completely helpless women or "warrior women." Very few people are at either extreme - the vast majority are in the middle - it's a bell curve.

I agree with you that a feminine woman does not have to be weak or helpless, but neither does she need to be an Olympic athlete or an MMA fighter. Women can be feminine and need occasional help, and women can be feminine but can handle just about everything that comes at her.

[BoopBoopBeep]

Some of the most feminine women I know/knew wore a uniform at some point, and not just rear echelon supply ist either. No offense to my R. E. brothers and sisters out there. You get taught how to take a body apart and much of that knowledge can be used in the other direction as well because now you know where major nerve strands and arteries are.

Plus those women don't spend the rest of the day whining that they broke a nail or turn back on the hike because "there's too many bugs out."

[CarpetDenim]

I am weak and fragile and I secretly love being teased about it, but I’m not really any of the things you said you didn’t want in a woman. I can’t fight, physically anyways, but I can persevere through adversity and I can be courageous when need be. And I would never ever run away or leave the side of someone I care about when worse come to worse. I think that particular situation has more to do with loyalty/devotion than it does strength, personally.

[Asker]

You love being teased about it because you think those teasing you find it cute, girly, or feminine that they think of you this way.

[CarpetDenim]

Because they do lmao. Why else would they tease me about it and try to fluster me or get me worked up?

[Asker]

So, you admit you do it because of that? If they told you to act stupid, you’d do it too I’m guessing?
I don’t think they like your weakness or fragility specifically. I think you’re a girl and they’re straight men so naturally they’ll like you by default regardless of what you do.

[CarpetDenim]

Lol what? I’m weak and fragile because I like being small and because it makes me feel feminine. I’ve literally only been teased for it like once lmao. I don’t get any extra attention from it, and it certainly wasn’t the reason I decided I like being like this. I just like it because I like it, it makes me feel good about myself and more confident in my femininity and in general.

[Asker]

But it’s not femininity... it’s you being happy that you’re weak and fragile. I think the only reason you even feel good about yourself is that you think it’s what guys like. I don’t think ANYONE feels good about being weak and fragile just by themselves in a vacuum.

You like it because guys like it.

It doesn’t make you feminine... it just makes you weak, fragile, and pathetic to be happy you’re this way...

[CarpetDenim]

No, asshole. Stop trying to push a bullshit narrative on me just because you can’t handle the fact that I personally see femininity and beauty in being small and fragile.

I like it because it makes *me* feel good and because *I* think I look amazing like this. I don’t give a fuck what men find conventionally attractive, and actually I know for a fact that this isn’t for the majority of guys. And I’ve been this way since before I even knew anything about sex or attraction, so I guess your next move is to sexualize the intentions of my prepubescent self for wanting to look a certain way? Good luck with that.

I have a boyfriend, his opinion is the only one I care about, and even he doesn’t feel strongly about this either way, he’s just happy that it makes me happy.

Honestly, just fuck off, dude. I don’t even know why I follow you anymore, it’s so annoying trying to have a conversation with you when you’re so fucking sure you know everything there is to know and when you’re so resistant to someone telling you something you don’t want to hear that conflicts with your idea of how people are supposed to think based on “muh biology and evolutionary influences.” It’s literally *my* opinion and my perception of my own body and my own idea of what femininity is supposed to look like. But you’re sitting here and trying to tell me what exactly? That my opinion can’t possibly be my own opinion? That I’m “pathetic” for feeling differently than you do? What a joke. You’re impossible to talk to, and we clash on stupid shit like this way more often than we’ve ever agreed on anything.

[Asker]

Your boyfriend likes how you look probably and likes aspects about you that he associates with femininity, but that doesn’t mean he likes that you’re weak and fragile specifically.

Again, you have to understand you don’t like it about yourself just because. You like it because guys like it and because guys like it you feel more desirable, attractive, and feminine so all of that makes you feel good about yourself.

Why do you think I like how I look? Because I feel like women will like how I look, so when I look into the mirror I feel happy about myself. It’s all biological.

Again my issue is that you’re happy about being weak and fragile... No one would be happy about such a thing, not even women, unless it meant something else, like attracting men.

It’s pathetic, that’s all I’m saying.

[CarpetDenim]

That’s what I said. He “doesn’t feel strongly about it either way,” in other words he doesn’t particularly like or dislike that I’m weak or fragile.

And still, no. If I were only actually happy about it because it attracted men, wouldn’t you expect it to well, y’know, attract men? It doesn’t. That’s kind of a fundamental aspect of your theory that’s completely missing. It doesn’t attract men, and it doesn’t garner me any extra attention from anyone except on the very very rare occasion which is usually just lip service as opposed to genuine appreciation anyway.

[Asker]

I don’t think you’re getting it.

You’re of the idea that being this way makes you appear feminine.

Since you have some idea that men like being dominant and masculine, therefore naturally attracted to femininity, you try to maximize how feminine you appear so that you appear more attractive to men.

Again, the only reason why you’re proud of being WEAK & FRAGILE is that you think it’s feminine and you think men like this in women because men like being the dominant, strong, and masculine one.

[Ekke118]

I know this is a year later, but I wanted to validate what you said here. I do find weak and daintyness cute, feminine and very attractive. I'd say between a third and half of younger guys like it to some extent; the loud voices here are in majority just fascinated by the opposite.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

I agree with you. I love a feminine woman, but one that also has a strong character in terms she stands firm in her beliefs, doesn't quit when the going gets tough, can stand on her own two feet without always looking who she can defend on as if she is a baby.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

*depend

[Quackthulu]

Dude, we all know you have a crush on me. Get over it already. I’m not interested.

[Asker]

Lmao...

[Quackthulu]

Had to do it. But seriously I would like to think I fit that description pretty well. Being raised by a US Marine will do that to you.

[Asker]

Depends what that US Marine’s MOS was lol jk.

Honestly, it’s hard to find even men who fit that description nowadays, so finding women who do is even rarer.

I’m still of the belief that being this way needn’t conflict with femininity at all.

A strong and relentless human is a strong and relentless human.

[Quackthulu]

Oh, I still look good as fuck in a dress and heels... Which I wear like once ever other year.

[Quackthulu]

He was an officer. A "Gunner"

[Asker]

“Oh, I still look good as fuck in a dress and heels...”

How dare you tease me.

[Freddy78361]

There are different dimensions of strength and fragility but overall...
I will say that I think the acceptance of strength in a woman is directly proportional to the man's feelings of security. An insecure man wants a fragile woman, a secure man wants a strong woman, etc.

But that overly simplifies it.

[Kurαȷ]

Yes I do.
Because frail women simply look more phyically attractive to me.

As for their weak "fighting" ability... I would write off anyone who brings up "fighting" in an unironic manner, as a deranged and paranoid psycho, and never talk to them again.
So I don't exactly care about that in women either.

[anon1903]

Depends to a degree. Damsel is distress undoubtedly has her charm. Your girlfriend snuggling to your chest is for sure a cute thing for you. But the same girl if asks for your help every time she's got to carry a book stack...

Ehhh not so much.

[jessicasissy]

some do, some do not. I prefer a woman that can meet me head on as an equal, that being said I do like to protect the woman I'm with. And I get how women can love that feeling because if I'm dating a guy I totally want him bigger and stronger than me so I can feel protected.

[MzAsh]

Femininity is strong, powerful, divine. Not weak. Not submissive. Not fragile.

[AdithyaR]

I've personally found the whole damsel in distress act to be annoying.
Femininity is strong as well. A woman is capable of bearing one of the greatest pains, childbirth. It's a strength I respect.
So I'd be more interested in a woman that radiates that confidence and strength of her femininity.

[OlderAndWiser]

Women who are more intelligent tend to be more assertive and confident, and those are qualities I want. I don't want a woman who loves to fight but I do want a woman who will not back down when she is challenged.

[Anonymous]

I think most men want submissive, nurturing and caring women. I dont think any straight man cares about how much she can lift or if she can fight off men lol.. if any its probblaby very rare.

But being emotional strong in a way I can understand. Like not nagging all the time:)

[eatuout6982]

Some men like control and weaker women are more easily controled. There are also men who are weak and want to be controled, but men tend to lean more to the controlling side. You should just find someone who wants to be with you, and enjoys your company. If you think about it two strong opinionated people will fight a lot. My brother and his ex did.

[AD240pCharlie]

"I think men do not actually like weak or fragile women, rather, women who demonstrate femininity." Yupp. That pretty much sums it up right there.
Feminine traits = Being kind, gentle, nurturing, patient, empathetic, and so on.
If a person doesn't possess those traits, then they certainly fit my definition of "weak" in the first place!

[94z28ne]

A woman that can climb the counter to get her own cup, but asks me to get it for her cuz she knows it makes me feel important.

[sdtabot]

I don't think all men like weak and fragile women. Some find it cringy. There's nothing wrong with wanting them tho. Everyone has the right to have their own preference.

[AD240pCharlie]

"Everyone has the right to have their own preference" apparently makes girls downvote you now... Wow...

[sdtabot]

I suppose there are people who can't live in peace knowing that there's someone who doesn't have the same mentality as them.

[JDavid25]

I agree.. Great description.. Which is why I like assertive women..

[PonyCarGirl98]

Yesss💕🙏

[PonyCarGirl98]

What could better.. when you know what you want.. and you don't play games with the man.. and you actually bring something to the table..💕

[JDavid25]

@PonyCarGirl98 Yes, that is pretty sexy..

[Reaperbot666]

don't know about fragile. but don't really want a super bulky chick either. maybe something in the middle.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/3DLZjvjpFxo