That said, I fully realize that rape to me has more the perception of a distant crime, which would impact how I perceive the shittiness of the crime. Like I don’t know anyone who has been raped let alone sexually harassed, and certainly not me. Murder, on the other hand, just has less impact on the individual, because they just were killed. However, if the consequences on the individual of rape are extremely large, and this perception is likely affected by it being a distant crime to me, then this could probably shift the goal posts on how heinous something is.
Ah another thing I thought of.Murder could be considered to be worse because you eliminate someone thus depriving that person of what could have been.
It isn't emotinal to choose rape lol. It js logical too and plenty gave arguments. Some would rather die than live with that. What calue is life if you know it will be torture might as well rather not be. Life is also in many ways pointless since we will all die eventualy. Death is invitable, rape however isn't.
@devilish-cutie the value of a tortured life is the prospect of overcoming the torture.
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So is getting your ass kicked, which is something plenty of men go through but we don't whine about it to everyone.
I don't whine about it either. Not many people know about it, but it happend. Still gives me anxiety when I go out. But it's fine. I'm alive.
I think what @Quackthulu said is also really worthwhile. Rape is a very real almost daily threat to women. So obviously it's the thing we're worrying about more.
Both genders have plenty of daily threats. Women do not have the market cornered on fear, you just whine about it constantly.
I never suggested that. I said rape is more of a threat for us than it is for men and implied that could explain the differences in votes
@AzureGirl What is your definition of "rape"?
Sex without consent.
What if there is consent but regret the next morning, is that rape?
No, that’s regretting your actions.
I understand and respect your opinion, but don’t you think people are more resilient and tougher than you think? Yes, I’m sure the specific circumstances of the rape will affect a person differently than other circumstances, AND I think some people just respond to rape differently, more drastically, traumatically, etc. Perhaps for the majority of people, I’m just guessing, rape is something that will linger in their minds for a long time and perhaps never go away. Nonetheless, these people can get better and move on from the rape they’ve experienced even though they may never forget it, it doesn’t affect them remembering it, to the same extent as when the wounds were more fresh. Murder, well, there’s no getting past that. What you could’ve been is gone, possible lovers gone, possible accomplishments gone, etc. You as a human/person/identity is gone. Not to mention, the moments before murder can be the most physically visceral, traumatic, and painful experience one can face.
I do know someone who was raped. Despite the trauma she has suffered, now she is flourishing.
@LevinAlso, people just respond and react differently to being raped. Some “recover” lickety split, not a huge deal, while others are forever depressed, traumatized, and have a hard time navigating the world. The specific persons involved and specific instances of the rape matter. Everyone dies when murdered lol...
Yeah, to be fair, even those that flourish are probably going to experience at least 5 years of hell working through it. I don't think there's that many who can brush it off. It's just a question of whether someone can work through it. Experiencing suffering can be the making of us. But it's quite a suffering to go through! Then again, none of us can escape experiencing horrific things and trauma. Bereavement, extreme illness, cancer treatment, extreme violence etc.
Sure, recovery is possible, but it takes years at least. And it still leaves a scar, it's never the same. Death is just death, it's nothingness. No pain, not depression, on blaming yourself, no listening to people tell you it will be okay when they clearly have no idea how the fuck you are actually feeling. Why do you think so many rape victims commit, or at least try to commit suicide? Because sometimes death is actually better.
@Quackthulu Well, I don’t think people are being honest about death lol. People think it’s just an eternal sleep, taking away all your fears and pains and in the moment of your pain and suffering, death sounds like a good alternative. But, no one knows the content of death. Maybe it’s several times worse than life. Who knows? @Levin Yeah, I can agree with that. For me though, if I got raped, I’d brush it off rather quickly. Again, this is just ME. I’m not normal in a lot of things. I’d feel dirty and get checked by a doctor to make sure I’m okay and don’t have any permanent damage, but aside from that, I’d move on from it quickly. I probably won’t forget about it, but it’s not something that would bother me for any long period of time.
Everyone who is alive knows what is like to not be alive. Because there was a time before we were born.
@Quackthulu Well, yes, there was but I don’t think people really remember how that felt or was lmao.
That's the point.
I don't think it's *insert hot celebrity* or your hot professor that is going to do the raping.It's probably going to be some African American bruiser with a horse cock. Male on male rape seems particularly horrific and emasculating. Just warning you.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtxK7wNUBPk
@QuackthuluWell, what if death is different? Or what if that moment before life was actually unpleasant and bad but we forgot it upon coming into being? Then once we die, we live it again and it’s “eternal” There’s literally millions of interpretations on this. I think naturally, people WANT to end their pain and suffering, whatever it is, so they think death/suicide is the best based upon their suffering and what they know about death. If I told them that death is an eternal fiery hell where you get raped endlessly, then they’d consider not dying/suicide.
@LevinI think it would just be disrespecting and dirty for ME personally. Those would be my main gripes with it. If there’s stabbing or other abuse then that’s different. I’d be more worried about stabbing, beating, etc. Emasculating? No, I personally wouldn’t care about that for ME. I’m pretty secure in my person/manliness, so something that someone tries to do to demean me as a man never bothers me. These types of things have happened before in my life quite a few times and they never bother me. I get over them. Although, I can see how rape would affect women more intensely, from a biological and emotional perspective
You are making up a lot of arbitrary "what if" shit here. Not really sure if you just don't understand how horrific rape actually is, or if you are just afraid of death.
@Quackthulu All I’ve ever said is that everyone is affected differently by rape. Some people bounce back like no big deal and some never bounce back, kill themselves, get depressed, etc. Both are bad.
Nobody bounces back like it's no big deal. They might act like they have while inside if is tearing them apart.
There’s perhaps millions upon millions of people that have been raped since our existence... You really think everyone of these has the same experience with rape? No. Again, circumstances do matter. So, I can easily create an instance where it’s the worst possible thing for someone, but even then everyone’s willpower, ego, resiliency, etc. are all different.
Millions of people have died too. What's your point?Have you ever been raped? Have you ever died?Then shut the fuck up and stop acting like you know what you are talking about. This isn't some god damn hypothetical situation here.
@Quackthulu That’s okay, I get that this bothers you a lot. Again, all I’ve ever said is that this is different for everyone and circumstances matter.
No, you don't get shit.
@QuackthuluWell, I’ll let our dialogue speak for itself. I’ll see myself out, as I think I’m just going to unintentionally fan the flames
That's the smartest thing you have said all day.
I don't think you can trivialise someone's trauma or say that you could deal with something unless you've been in those shoes. Theoretically, all of us can live with something. While inwardly, it's eating us up.
Well, unless the victim doesn’t want to breathe anymore... murder is pretty bad for the victim lmao...
Obviously, yes. What I meant is that I think murder has a deeper effect on those that cared about the victim. Yes, people care about rape victims but the outreach, for lack of a better word, is different.
But yet you will ride the cock carousel for a decade, but rape is worse than death? Another reason to not take women seriously.
@KrakenAttackin lol wow yeah sure I'll willingly have sex if that's what I choose to do but that is not comparable to rape at all. If you were a women I think youd understand this question a little better. It seems hard for men to fully understand the pain and long term mental damage that rape causes. Women that have been raped are 10x more likely to commit suicide so obviously if they are taking their own lives because they were raped I think a lot of then would have chosen to die then be raped in the first place.
Do people willing get their asses beaten? Become homeless?
I will repeat, to argue rape is nonsense. How many of these people arguing rape have experienced death? Do you know how that feels? Do you know if your pain ends in the afterlife? Are you so sure of the consequences of death? Yet we do know rape victims can go on to live fulfilling lives but I can't be surprised at the emotional response of women to my rely. God bless you.
Wow, so many women downvoted you man lol
I know, they clearly know death isn't as bad lol
This is absurd.
Of course men are disliking this
Because they dont kno how it feels, its the most horrible vivid feeling anyone would experience
@Clayaya @Jayrock24w Get over yourselves. Men get their asses kicked, get murdered, get humiliated publicly, get thrown in prison, become homeless; all at rates MUCH higher than women. I would submit all of the above are worse than rape.
U kno what when u get raped or or any of the above then come back, cuz being held down forcefully by an older much older man as they force their way inside of you especially when ur a virgin is like hell, i wish he had killed me instead have me replay that in my mind everyday and having nightmares every night. Its horrifying
@KrakenAttackin You’d rather be raped in the ass than being homeless or beaten? None of that shit matters because you most likely got yourself in that position. If you’re homeless it’s because you aren’t on top of your shit. For humiliation sticks & stones dude & for being beaten you probably got yourself in that position. Most people don’t get beaten for no damn reason. Rape is completely against someone’s will. & Women go through all those very same things you mentioned everyday.
@Clayaya In California if a man and woman have been drinking and decide to have consensual sex, she can wake up the next morning and decide she was "raped" as she was "intoxicated" the night before. So, she wakes up, "remembers" she has a husband or boyfriend and has the man charged with rape. I am sorry, but feminist have DESTROYED what rape really is. To me, rape is a man forcibly attacking a woman physically and forcing her to have sexual intercourse without her consent at any point.
@KrakenAttackin well avoid any situation where you can be accused. Simple
@Clayaya "Simple". One would think verbal consent IS avoiding a situation where you could be accused, but not she can RETROACTIVELY rescind her consent. This makes sense to you? Wait, I am asking a woman... don't bother replying.
Doesn't that mean it's humanitarian to euthanize rape victims?
@David_Kek Bingo. No man should EVER date a girl who claims she was raped.
@KrakenAttackin There's nothing wrong dating rape victims, while everything wrong dating immature people with victim mentalities. If they can't even help themselves by seeing themselves as an agent that acts on their own life and the world around them, then what good are they to anyone else? You can't depend on someone who can't even depend on themselves.
GTF over it.
Lol why you'll still talking bout this.
I love how two people already down voted this 😂
But you're also letting them live out the rest of their life. What's cruel is to promote/maximize their victimhood by insisting they will never be okay again.
so I'm curious on your opinion since the other one went off the rails, is death really better than being scarred for life? I mean in a sense I am, maybe not rape but I'm curious, I do know rape victims who'd rather choose life over death too soI didn't downvote I'm guessing that's others
You are just 13.. are you telling truth
Feeling very sorry for you.
I wish you recover from it fast n get back to normal life.
25% of women ADMIT to having at least one orgasm while being "raped".
Having an orgasm during sex is an involuntary reaction while having sex. Last time my boyfriend and I had sex, my legs went numb and I was seeing stars. I can assure you that was involuntary because it was such a weird reaction. Both times I was being raped, I faked it so he wouldn't kill me.
@KrakenAttackin Shut the hell up. Having an orgasm during sex is an involuntary reaction while having sex. Both times I was being raped, I faked it and said I orgasmed so I wouldn't die. Maybe you'd be able to tell the difference between a fake orgasm and a real one if you knew where the clitoris is.
@1truekhaleesi Sounds like dramatic bullshit to me.
@KrakenAttackin sounds like you're an ignorant dumbass to me.
@1truekhaleesi Believe whatever you want. But I think "rape" plays right into the drama addiction most women have. Also, I believe men experience things that are as bad and much worse than rape, but we don't become totally unglued publicly.
@KrakenAttackin it's not up to you to decide if there's something worse than rape for a person to go through. No, you can believe what you want. I will believe science
@1truekhaleesi Really? Tell me about "rape" and "science"?
@KrakenAttackin is it really that hard for you to process?
@KrakenAttackin no wonder you're divorced
@1truekhaleesi I am still waiting to hear about "rape science".
@KrakenAttackin if I have to explain why rape isn't okay, you need to be chemically castrated. I've already explained that an orgasm is an involuntary reaction. Maybe if your ex wife wasn't faking it, you know that.
You do realise by logic that means it's humanitiain to euthanize rape victims.
@David_Kek Their body their choice.
@FR_Ruby right, their choice that dying is preferable to living after being raped.
@David_Kek Yeah, so they can just say "no" and then it isn't "humanitiain to euthanize rape victims."
@FR_Ruby why would they say no if living as a rape victim is worse than dying?
@David_Kek Well that's up to them isn't it? Maybe they had birth control & won't have to raise a rapist's child? Maybe they wanna change the world by tracking down one rapist at a time? We don't know their story.
@David_Kek Besides, they'd still have to live through being raped. It's not like: "Oh well I was raped, might as well get myself assassinated as well." They can still say "I wish I died instead of being raped" though.
@FR_Ruby you're funny
@David_Kek Hey thnx, nice profile pic. I have a cat that looked like that when he was a kitten.
@David_Kek Yeah, unwise to take any opinion or judgement to a logical extreme
@David_Kek I was bringing up a factor re:which is worse, not making a logical or ethical judgement. If we were actually applying humanitarian utilitarianism here, I'd weigh in the suffering of the victim & perp's family and friends, and consider the relative severity of the trauma that the victims actually gonna live with. Thankfully, nobody actually has to play god like that.
Whether or not you find the logic conclusion of your half-baked ideas comfortable or not, doesn't change the fact that is your logic. If dying is better that living as a rape victim, then logically rape victims dying afterwards would be more merciful than letting them live.
@David_Kek It doesn't matter if the persons lives 30 years or 30 seconds after the rape they still were forced to live with that time. The argument is that dying beforehand just on it's own without any rape at all can often be preferable to that. She's not saying it's always better either, she's just adding a logical point to add another reason for why rape is horrible. I didn't think I had to spell it out for you but your logic is wrong. Calling someone's ideas half baked is pretty offense especially since your logic argument only works assuming her statement alone is the entire reason for why rape is worse than murder. In no way does her statement equate to euthanizing rape victims as being humanitarian.
@David_Kek I think the long term living as a rape victim is actually the easy part relative to the rape itself & your family & friends finding out. It doesn't make it any less horrible or worth mentioning as an added point for why rape is horrible or comparable to murder. Here are some equations just in case you still need to check your logic:Living as a rape victim > Death. (">" means "is better than")Rape + Living as a rape victim ≈ Death. ("≈" means "is approximately equal to/is comparable to") Rape + Living as a victim + Death << Death on its own ("<<" means "is much worse than") by the way - I'm so sorry petrichor9 for this thread but I hope it's finally over now, I'm not gonna bother trying to convince someone more than this.
@FR_Ruby let me ask you something, would you rather your daughter was raped or murdered?
@David_Kek 1. Neither 2. Even in a scenario where I'm forced to choose and I choose "Rape" it doesn't make rape better. I'd still prefer a world with only murder over a world with only rape. There's a simple reason: Assholes can also get murdered. Murder is much more indiscriminate than Rape. That's beside the point: The original "logic" that you came in with is still wrong.How about you let me ask you a question: Do you still think everything you've been arguing about our logic is still right?If you're answer is "No, I was wrong there" then you don't have to continue reading & we can drop the subject. (Keep in mind: I don't wanna talk Rape v. Murder with you, that's different) If you're answer is "Yes, my logic is still right" then please keep reading:Here's what the original comment that seemed to annoy you really meant:"If you get murdered, you don't have to live with that." = Living as a Rape victim is bad & something that doesn't come with murder.However:"If you get murdered, you don't have to live with that." =/= Living as a Rape victim is worse than just accepting death (That's why people "choose to"/"have to" live with it) Therefore:"If you get murdered, you don't have to live with that." =/= "it's humanitarian to euthanize rape victims" So do you realize now that the "logic" you've been arguing is wrong? Please just admit your logic was wrong instead of changing the argument.
@FR_Ruby lol, as I said, you're funny. Even you admit if forced to choose, you'd choose being raped over being murdered. The logic does hold up. You are just being illogical. If living is worse than being alive, then dying is better than living.
@David_Kek I can't believe you're not understanding. You're just reading what you want to read & interpreting it how you like & ignoring everything else, it's unbelievable. I never said or implied that "living [as a victim] is worse than being alive." Look- you're logic only works ASSUMING we said or implied that. You're simply misinterpreting our statements. It's not the only reason why rape is bad, just an added reason, a cherry on top, but not as bad as DEATH, at least not until you include all the other OBVIOUS reasons that also make rape bad that don't just go away cuz you killed yourself. So congrats you're logic works when you put words in our mouth, you'd make a great American President.I'm not going to explain it to you any further cause you clearly aren't reading, or maybe you only read as good as your grammar has been. So congrats, be predictable: insert your last comment and feel good about yourself.You can't win an argument with an idiot but you can always make an intelligent person question themselves. I'm not calling you anything when I say that by the way so don't assume anything, I bet you'll just skim over it anyway like everything else I've said.
@David_Kek You're such a troll, sure I'd rather be raped over murdered, but you didn't read the next sentence where I explained why rape is still worse. Instead you just ASSUMED (like always) that I'm an "illogical" if I still think rape can possibly be worse. Quit trolling dude you're 28, at least read & type properly.
@FR_Ruby "I never said or implied that "living [as a victim] is worse than being alive." Look- you're logic only works ASSUMING we said or implied that."-"If you get murdered, you don't have to live with that." - "The argument is that dying beforehand just on it's own without any rape at all can often be preferable to that."/"sure I'd rather be raped over murdered"."It's not the only reason why rape is bad, just an added reason, a cherry on top, but not as bad as DEATH, at least not until you include all the other OBVIOUS reasons that also make rape bad that don't just go away cuz you killed yourself."-1. That's odd, I'm pretty sure we weren't debating whether or not rape is bad. We were debating which is worse, rape or murder. 2. Yes, it does go away. "If you get murdered, you don't have to live with that." - No, you don't have to live with that, just one quick bullet and proof, you no longer have to live with any of that, because you're dead. That's how death works."sure I'd rather be raped over murdered"-Now all you need to do is keep repeating that sentence in your mind, and after a while you'll realize the error in your logic. Say it out loud a few times, and the stupid will slowly fall out of you."i'd rather be raped than murdered""i'd rather be raped than murdered""i'd rather be raped than murdered""i'd rather be raped than murdered""i'd rather be raped than murdered""but i believe that rape is worse, and that's why I've rather experience the worse option"
@David_Kek The ORIGINAL comment, is just another reason for why rape is bad. Those reasons ACCUMULATE to the argument for why RAPE MIGHT BE worse (Not "IS" worse, but "MIGHT BE" worse). Living as a rape victim is like the 4th worst part of being raped, Not the WORST part. The 4th worst part of being Raped is NEVER gonna be worse than just DYING. YES, I believe Murder is worse than Rape (keep reading) FOR THE VICTIM (did you read that?)HOWEVER: Rape occurs about 30X more often in the US, so If I were asked whether I'd want all rapist or all murderers dead I would choose all RAPISTS because I know they are all GUILTY & I KNOW WHY they did it, and they are NOT justified in their actions & deserve to be judged at least just as harshly as a Murderer. ADDITIONALLY: A CHILD likely needs to be ABORTED (AKA MURDERED) for the Rape victim to go on with life like normal. You can't just ASSUME the victim is on birth control like you ASSUMED all other sorts of things. These reasons can accumulate and make Rape worse. Unlike the Bald guy from the video at the top of this thread, I DO NOT want to go into the mind of the RAPIST to see why he did it because I have NO SYMPATHY for him. Like the bald guy said Rape is much simpler, I know why they did it, that's why I can much more easily judge them as worthy of receiving the Death penalty (Which is Murder by the way & A GOOD Murder).REGARDLESS of whether RAPE or MURDER is worse, it doesn't mean that the "LOGIC" of your very 1st comment was not FLAWED. YOU came in and ASSUMED that the original comment BY ITSELF is enough reason to justify Rape as being worse than murdered, & ASSUMED therefore that: "living as a rape victim is worse than death" which is FALSE & NOT something that was ever implied.
@David_Kek I am ARGUING with you about how FLAWED the LOGIC of your original comment was, NOT RAPE V MURDER because EVEN IF your right about Murder being worse it DOES NOT make EVERYTHING ELSE you say CORRECT. I do not wanna argue Rape v Murder with you because that topic is about 30X larger than whether or not your logic is flawed, which is something you're not grasping.BTW- here's a fun hypothetical question for you (since you like asking questions so much):Would you rather be murdered or raped 30X by a man into your butt-hole randomly throughout your life & pay the price of an aborting each time effectively killing 30 unborn children. (30X Because rape is 30X more common (based on US Stats) & raped by a man because men rape men much more often than women rape men) (BTW- i KNOW no one wants to rape you and I KNOW that you won't have children but just pretend your a woman for once so don't immediately ASSUME I'm being illogical cause this is a hypothetical quesiton anyway.) Then After you've Killed 30 Rapist fetuses tell me Murder doesn't have benefits, unlike rape. Also hope you enjoy life with a 30x stretched Anus you slut.
@David_Kek BTW- just in case you still don't get it1. I still believe the logic of your 1st comment it flawed.2. I'd rather be a rape victim that a murder victim3. I'd rather kill all rapists in the world than all murderers (The reason is because there are many more rapists than murderers & I know they are all unjustified in what the did, also the people I care about are about 30X more likely to suffer from rape than murder so I'd rather eliminate their chance of being raped than of being murdered)4. More people die from murder than from racism yet I still think Racism is at least about as big of a global issue as murder. Of course I'd rather suffer from Racism than from murder but that doesn't mean Racism (or Rape) can't possibly be a worse issue than murder overall throughout the world.
@David_Kek Throughout history an inhumanely large sum of babies have been abandoned and left to die due to an inability for the mother to care for the child on her own in her poverty and without a father. Even today in most places in the world it's hard for people to be able to get an abortion and even if they do that fetus is still a victim who was created only to die due to rape.Would you rather forsake babies and unborn humans or grown ass adults who've probably already lived a longer life than most people in history?Btw- everything you said before you asked me "what about if some1 raped ur daughter heheh?" is still wrong and bad logic that only works when you misinterpret what people are saying.Obviously you won't agree with me still so let's agree to disagree.
Seriously, you think your Vajayjay is so golden and so magical that a man should be killed for taking it, but yet you give it away like candy at Halloween.
Id rather not lose someone permanently. Even if it ends up a mental scar they can be fixed.
Also, it's weird that if rape is worse then wouldn't that mean it's useless to threaten violence in order to get a woman to comply to that?