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+1 yHmmm if someone gets raped, this will in probability have really bad impact on their life regarding their well-being, how they view themselves and more. Basically, it would be extraordinarily terrible for their entire life (especially if access to counseling or quality is poor).
Murder also obviously may ruin the life of the people who are especially close to the victim. Also, why did the person get murdered?
I’m quite sure this externality on people around the victim would also occur with rape. That said, I’m not sure how it compares. I suppose it could be significantly less harmful for them in the case of rape given that a person was not just violently eliminated. However, if that rape victim also becomes suicidal, acts completely differently and that sort of stuff, they’d also be ripped out of their normal life as people close know him/her.
Then it also becomes a matter in how we define “worse”. Do we care for people around them or predominantly the first victim of the crime itself? That will also depend on the relationship of the victim of the crime to others.
Furthermore, do we only care about the heinousness of the crime or also tangible consequences for people?
I think it depends too much on quite a few things, such as inter-personal relationships, damage suffered by rape, defining “worse” and that sort of stuff.
If we define worst as heinousness of the crime, murder. But if we take in account tangible consequences for people, there could be other factors that make either worse than the other in actual impact.02 Reply- +1 y
That said, I fully realize that rape to me has more the perception of a distant crime, which would impact how I perceive the shittiness of the crime. Like I don’t know anyone who has been raped let alone sexually harassed, and certainly not me.
Murder, on the other hand, just has less impact on the individual, because they just were killed. However, if the consequences on the individual of rape are extremely large, and this perception is likely affected by it being a distant crime to me, then this could probably shift the goal posts on how heinous something is. - +1 y
Ah another thing I thought of.
Murder could be considered to be worse because you eliminate someone thus depriving that person of what could have been.
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u +1 yStrictly on the basis of logic, most men will say that murder is worse because a rape victim has the opportunity to recover from the traumas whole the victim obviously does not.
However, as a man, I can't fathom what it is like for a woman to be raped. I think that most women will respond to this question on the basis of emotion, not logic, and say that rape is worse. But if you post a poll:. Rape victims, would you have preferred to have been murdered when you were raped, I would expect most would answer "no."
Rape and murder are both horrendous and I don't really think there is much to be gained by trying to decide which is worse.22 Reply- +1 y
It isn't emotinal to choose rape lol. It js logical too and plenty gave arguments. Some would rather die than live with that. What calue is life if you know it will be torture might as well rather not be. Life is also in many ways pointless since we will all die eventualy. Death is invitable, rape however isn't.
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@devilish-cutie the value of a tortured life is the prospect of overcoming the torture.
Depends what kind of each your referring to, there's what people to believe to be murder is more of a nice thing, and same with rape nowadays people say rape is all kinds of things despite being into it. I remember reading about this girl who had a hook up in a bar, who then said she was raped and underage, despite faking age to get into bar leaving guy to assume she was legal by the way in court she was found guilty and him innocent.
But in turn of full on rape and murder then I'd say murder is worse as sure your dead and you can never achieve what you wanted to or be who you want. Then you got to think of everyone your connected to and how they're going to feel, your children, parents, siblings, friends, aunt/uncles, grandparents. Sure all these people would still be effected if you were raped but not quite in the same way. So murder for sure10 Reply
+1 yI personally know people who think otherwise, but objectively, I don't even see how this is even arguable.
Rape, while being a horrible, world-destroying violation that you carry your entire life, still leaves you with a life to live. You can still go on to live in relative normalcy. There will even be times that you forget it ever happened, and you can still experience happiness, joy, in other things in life.
If you're murdered, though, that's it. Everything has been taken from you. You have ceased to exist. There is nothing for you to carry your entire life because it has been extinguished.
How can rape, impossibly bad as it is, possibly be worse than that?40 Reply
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+1 yI've been a type 1 diabetic for 30 years. Bilateral below the knee amputee. Nerve damage out the ass. Death doesn't hurt. I've been dead. Dying hurts.
I can't even wrap my brain around the idea of rape. I mean, jesus christ. When my wife had her iud in, i bumped it one time. I lost my boner so god damned fast that it wasn't funny. How anyone can commit that heinous act.
The problem with torture is that, if done properly, you dont die because of it. It makes you wish you were dead.
This might be obscure. So check youtube if need be. Remember the "Under Siege"? The crew was being moved into a containment area. One of the sailors jumped one of the bad guys. The bad guy recovered his weapon and shot the sailor. Tommy Lee Jones then pulls his pistol to shoot another guy. He then says "Know this. Defy us and I will shoot you and the man next to you." That is a prime example of murder being used as a torture method. Sure, you die. But knowing your buddy will join you in 10 seconds would have to suck ass.00 Reply- 3.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
+1 yRape is over rated. I have been raped, I have nearly been killed as well (stabbed in the head), I'll take the rape over being dead any day. People who think rape is worse have never actually had to face their own mortality, its like asking whether or not its worse to lose a pinky, or your entire arm, their is in fact a right answer to that and its not the pinky.
That doesn't mean rape is good by any means, but on the list of bad things to happen, its not that high on the list. Any one who says it is has lived a very chushy life and/or has no imagination.10 Reply Rape is a very scary thing.
You realise how small you are and how you have no power at all. People can do whatever they want with your body and you have nothing to say about it.
Then you start to wonder. Was it my fault? Did I lead him on? What was I wearing? What face expression did I have? Did he think I wanted to have sex?
And it is really tough time. I'm not sure if you ever really get over it..
When you're killed you don't have to deal with all of this trauma.
So they're both bad. It is really hard to say that ang of them is worse.
But I guess when you get raped you are still alive, if you're killed you lose everything and it harms everyone who loved you.
So murder is worse I think.12 Reply- +1 y
So is getting your ass kicked, which is something plenty of men go through but we don't whine about it to everyone.
+1 yI don't think that one is worse than the other. However there are instances where murder could be justified i. e. if you kill someone to save your own life or the life of a close one. That can't be said for rape.
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I think what @Quackthulu said is also really worthwhile. Rape is a very real almost daily threat to women. So obviously it's the thing we're worrying about more.
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Both genders have plenty of daily threats. Women do not have the market cornered on fear, you just whine about it constantly.
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I never suggested that. I said rape is more of a threat for us than it is for men and implied that could explain the differences in votes
Can't vote on it. One is potential lifelong psychological abuse and the other is literal death. It's like asking would you rather be shot in the head or tortured for several years.
This assuming it's actual, legitimate rape and not the SJW bullsh*t version of "rape" in that, "she had a beer or two, so all of her accountability as an adult goes out the window, unless she's behind the wheel of a car" or "she didn't like the sex and didn't verbally utter a literal 'yes,' to the guy but gave clear physical ques for acceptable, but it's "rape" anyway. If you're talking about actual rape, and not third-wave feminist "rape," then yes, that's psychological torture and in some cases, it'd almost be more humane to just kill the person.00 Reply
+1 yWell... They are both terrible acts, but I would say the worst of the two is Murder.
My reasoning is pretty much the same as with @JosyJosy who said because they would be dead.
While it is obvious that rape is a horrible crime, often causing the victim to have psychological trauma afterwards and many other terrible results afterwards, there is still the fact that the person is alive and has the opportunity to recover from that trauma and live on.
I am not saying rape has not caused death, there are cases of rape victims who have taken their own lives because it caused too much psychological damage to them.
My point is that with murder, that's it, you're dead and there is nothing else, with rape you have the possibility however small it is, to recover from it and even get the criminal in jail.
My heart goes out to victims of both these crimes00 ReplyI believe rape is worse. Both crimes affect the victim's family as well as the victims themselves. However, in the case of murder, the victim is not suffering anymore (unless they did not get right with Jesus, but for this question, we will stick to this life). In the case of rape, the victim is living and has to navigate through the pain and might, in some cases, have to endure contact with their rapist and maybe even watching the asswipe go free. The one thing that I would say might make murder worse is if the victim's family cannot find the body because then the family holds a false hope of finding their loved one while the rape victim is around to mention what happened.
00 Reply1.9K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I’m leaning towards rape. With murder you have a murderer and an obviously dead victim. With rape the victim is alive and not only has to deal with legal issues such as charging the rapist and trying to convict them should they (hopefully) go that route, they also have to deal with mental trauma, possible emotional trauma, possibility of pregnancy, physical wounds/trauma, etc.
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@AzureGirl What is your definition of "rape"?
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What if there is consent but regret the next morning, is that rape?
1.1K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I’ve been lucky enough to never have been raped but as a sexual assault survivor I would have chosen to die than to be violated and left with scars that I’m somehow responsible for when I didn’t do anything.
50 ReplyAs a former rape victim, I still say murder is worse. I was able to mentally recovery from my trauma. Yes, it took years to not be afraid of my own shadow, but at least I’m not dead. I wouldn’t ever wish to be dead either after what I have been through.
Murder is worse, period.30 Reply
+1 yDeath is irreversible and the end. If the first option is death, I don't even need to listen to choose the second option since survival is one of the main purposes of human life.
We cannot ignore the physical and mental effects of rape (and all other crimes) but there is always a reason to live.
I think the idea that being a victim of rape is worse than being dead is related to the mentality of honor killing.30 Reply
+1 yRape because not only does that person get dangerously hurt physically but they have to live the rest of their life mentally scared and always watching their back almost paranoid.
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This is absurd.
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How?
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Because they dont kno how it feels, its the most horrible vivid feeling anyone would experience
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U kno what when u get raped or or any of the above then come back, cuz being held down forcefully by an older much older man as they force their way inside of you especially when ur a virgin is like hell, i wish he had killed me instead have me replay that in my mind everyday and having nightmares every night. Its horrifying
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@KrakenAttackin You’d rather be raped in the ass than being homeless or beaten? None of that shit matters because you most likely got yourself in that position. If you’re homeless it’s because you aren’t on top of your shit. For humiliation sticks & stones dude & for being beaten you probably got yourself in that position. Most people don’t get beaten for no damn reason. Rape is completely against someone’s will. & Women go through all those very same things you mentioned everyday.
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@Clayaya In California if a man and woman have been drinking and decide to have consensual sex, she can wake up the next morning and decide she was "raped" as she was "intoxicated" the night before. So, she wakes up, "remembers" she has a husband or boyfriend and has the man charged with rape. I am sorry, but feminist have DESTROYED what rape really is. To me, rape is a man forcibly attacking a woman physically and forcing her to have sexual intercourse without her consent at any point.
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@KrakenAttackin well avoid any situation where you can be accused. Simple
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@David_Kek Bingo. No man should EVER date a girl who claims she was raped.
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@KrakenAttackin There's nothing wrong dating rape victims, while everything wrong dating immature people with victim mentalities.
If they can't even help themselves by seeing themselves as an agent that acts on their own life and the world around them, then what good are they to anyone else? You can't depend on someone who can't even depend on themselves. - +1 y
GTF over it.
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Lol why you'll still talking bout this.
Well murder might be a consequence for something. Rape never has a good reason & creates lives that are either cut short or lived without a parent and with less love. Also, murdering a rapist is actually a positive thing so Rape is worse. Besides, I'd rather be dead than to create a ruined life.
10 ReplyImagine actually answering "rape" for this question. Would you rather someone you love be raped or murdered? Well, if you want to see them again, I'd assume the former.
Don't just ask yourself what you'd rather happen to you, ask also about how this will effect other people in your life.10 Reply
+1 yRape, without a doubt. If someone gets murdered their life is over, end of story. If someone gets raped third life is ruined but they are still alive, and empty shell of what the my used to be.
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Asker+1 yI understand and respect your opinion, but don’t you think people are more resilient and tougher than you think? Yes, I’m sure the specific circumstances of the rape will affect a person differently than other circumstances, AND I think some people just respond to rape differently, more drastically, traumatically, etc. Perhaps for the majority of people, I’m just guessing, rape is something that will linger in their minds for a long time and perhaps never go away. Nonetheless, these people can get better and move on from the rape they’ve experienced even though they may never forget it, it doesn’t affect them remembering it, to the same extent as when the wounds were more fresh.
Murder, well, there’s no getting past that. What you could’ve been is gone, possible lovers gone, possible accomplishments gone, etc. You as a human/person/identity is gone. Not to mention, the moments before murder can be the most physically visceral, traumatic, and painful experience one can face.
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Also, people just respond and react differently to being raped. Some “recover” lickety split, not a huge deal, while others are forever depressed, traumatized, and have a hard time navigating the world. The specific persons involved and specific instances of the rape matter.
Everyone dies when murdered lol...- +1 y
Yeah, to be fair, even those that flourish are probably going to experience at least 5 years of hell working through it. I don't think there's that many who can brush it off. It's just a question of whether someone can work through it. Experiencing suffering can be the making of us. But it's quite a suffering to go through! Then again, none of us can escape experiencing horrific things and trauma. Bereavement, extreme illness, cancer treatment, extreme violence etc.
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Sure, recovery is possible, but it takes years at least. And it still leaves a scar, it's never the same. Death is just death, it's nothingness. No pain, not depression, on blaming yourself, no listening to people tell you it will be okay when they clearly have no idea how the fuck you are actually feeling. Why do you think so many rape victims commit, or at least try to commit suicide? Because sometimes death is actually better.
Asker+1 y@Quackthulu Well, I don’t think people are being honest about death lol. People think it’s just an eternal sleep, taking away all your fears and pains and in the moment of your pain and suffering, death sounds like a good alternative.
But, no one knows the content of death.
Maybe it’s several times worse than life.
Who knows?
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Yeah, I can agree with that. For me though, if I got raped, I’d brush it off rather quickly. Again, this is just ME. I’m not normal in a lot of things. I’d feel dirty and get checked by a doctor to make sure I’m okay and don’t have any permanent damage, but aside from that, I’d move on from it quickly. I probably won’t forget about it, but it’s not something that would bother me for any long period of time.- +1 y
Everyone who is alive knows what is like to not be alive. Because there was a time before we were born.
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Well, yes, there was but I don’t think people really remember how that felt or was lmao.- +1 y
That's the point.
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I don't think it's *insert hot celebrity* or your hot professor that is going to do the raping.
It's probably going to be some African American bruiser with a horse cock. Male on male rape seems particularly horrific and emasculating. Just warning you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtxK7wNUBPk
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Well, what if death is different?
Or what if that moment before life was actually unpleasant and bad but we forgot it upon coming into being? Then once we die, we live it again and it’s “eternal”
There’s literally millions of interpretations on this.
I think naturally, people WANT to end their pain and suffering, whatever it is, so they think death/suicide is the best based upon their suffering and what they know about death. If I told them that death is an eternal fiery hell where you get raped endlessly, then they’d consider not dying/suicide.
Asker+1 y@Levin
I think it would just be disrespecting and dirty for ME personally. Those would be my main gripes with it. If there’s stabbing or other abuse then that’s different. I’d be more worried about stabbing, beating, etc.
Emasculating? No, I personally wouldn’t care about that for ME. I’m pretty secure in my person/manliness, so something that someone tries to do to demean me as a man never bothers me. These types of things have happened before in my life quite a few times and they never bother me. I get over them.
Although, I can see how rape would affect women more intensely, from a biological and emotional perspective
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You are making up a lot of arbitrary "what if" shit here. Not really sure if you just don't understand how horrific rape actually is, or if you are just afraid of death.
Asker+1 y@Quackthulu
All I’ve ever said is that everyone is affected differently by rape. Some people bounce back like no big deal and some never bounce back, kill themselves, get depressed, etc.
Both are bad.
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Nobody bounces back like it's no big deal. They might act like they have while inside if is tearing them apart.
Asker+1 yThere’s perhaps millions upon millions of people that have been raped since our existence... You really think everyone of these has the same experience with rape? No.
Again, circumstances do matter. So, I can easily create an instance where it’s the worst possible thing for someone, but even then everyone’s willpower, ego, resiliency, etc. are all different.- +1 y
Millions of people have died too. What's your point?
Have you ever been raped? Have you ever died?
Then shut the fuck up and stop acting like you know what you are talking about. This isn't some god damn hypothetical situation here.
Asker+1 y@Quackthulu
That’s okay, I get that this bothers you a lot.
Again, all I’ve ever said is that this is different for everyone and circumstances matter.- +1 y
No, you don't get shit.
Asker+1 y@Quackthulu
Well, I’ll let our dialogue speak for itself. I’ll see myself out, as I think I’m just going to unintentionally fan the flames- +1 y
That's the smartest thing you have said all day.
+1 yI think rape is worse for the victim and murder is worse for those that are still living.
Those that have been unaffected by either are just guessing.
In the case of rape, there is still a chance for the person to go on living and the pursuit of happiness.12 Reply
Asker+1 yWell, unless the victim doesn’t want to breathe anymore... murder is pretty bad for the victim lmao...
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Obviously, yes. What I meant is that I think murder has a deeper effect on those that cared about the victim. Yes, people care about rape victims but the outreach, for lack of a better word, is different.
1.5K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. For the victim rape is worse since they have to recover after and try to go on a live a normal life. at least with murder after that they don't have to suffer anymore once they're dead.
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But yet you will ride the cock carousel for a decade, but rape is worse than death? Another reason to not take women seriously.
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@KrakenAttackin lol wow yeah sure I'll willingly have sex if that's what I choose to do but that is not comparable to rape at all.
If you were a women I think youd understand this question a little better. It seems hard for men to fully understand the pain and long term mental damage that rape causes. Women that have been raped are 10x more likely to commit suicide so obviously if they are taking their own lives because they were raped I think a lot of then would have chosen to die then be raped in the first place. - +1 y
Do people willing get their asses beaten? Become homeless?
+1 yWell think of it this way: most people would think death as an “easy way out” and would much rather die than be tortured. Rape is a form of torture sometimes. So I’d much rather be murdered than raped. Therefore I think rape is worse in a way.
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+1 ymurder because murder can be slow and painful and never ending , rape isn't because the guy who does can't last more than a minute or 2 and has to use some tools too finish what he can't. and while that might last longer it is not the same though the self diluted guy might think it will. what a looser he is XD
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+1 yMurder is final, rape can potentially be recovered from. I in no means want to discount the drama imposed by rape. Rape is no doubt abhorrent, and I wouldn't wish it on anyone, even my worst enemies, but forced to chose between the two I'd say rape is the lesser of two evils.
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+1 yIt depends on what death holds.
When I think of bad crimes, something like rape comes to mind first.
If death means you're back in the state of none-existence, then rape is worse, because there's a high chance the victim is mentally ruined.
I think the above is for the victim itself, for others, death is worse, like I'm sure one would rather their loved one be raped, than killed.
None-existence > alive and ruined, for me anyway.00 Reply2.8K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. That should be a fairly obvious question.
They are two horrific, despicable crimes.
But if your nearest and dearest is raped, least she is alive. Least she has the opportunity to try and rebuild her life, be happy, and be around her loved ones.00 ReplyTo argue rape is nonsense. That's like saying cracking my screen is worse than losing my phone. People are stronger and more resilient then such people would have to believe.
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I will repeat, to argue rape is nonsense. How many of these people arguing rape have experienced death? Do you know how that feels? Do you know if your pain ends in the afterlife? Are you so sure of the consequences of death? Yet we do know rape victims can go on to live fulfilling lives but I can't be surprised at the emotional response of women to my rely. God bless you.
Asker+1 yWow, so many women downvoted you man lol
+1 yThe first lesson I taught a mentally challenged child was: "not everything in the world can be ranked from best to worst".
And the second lesson was "there are stupid questions, their answers give you no knowledge, if you let them occupy most of your brain, you become stupid"00 Reply
+1 yRape.
Raping someone means that you are leaving a person scarred for the rest of their life.43 Reply- +1 y
I love how two people already down voted this 😂
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But you're also letting them live out the rest of their life. What's cruel is to promote/maximize their victimhood by insisting they will never be okay again.
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so I'm curious on your opinion since the other one went off the rails, is death really better than being scarred for life? I mean in a sense I am, maybe not rape but I'm curious, I do know rape victims who'd rather choose life over death too so
I didn't downvote I'm guessing that's others
+1 yI've been raped, and I still haven't mentally recovered or forgot about it, and I probably never will, but murder is definitely worse. At least with rape you'll get to move on with your life, but if you're murdered, you get your life taken away from you, and it takes a part of the people who loved you away from them too.
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You are just 13.. are you telling truth
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Sadly.
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Feeling very sorry for you.
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I wish you recover from it fast n get back to normal life.
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Thanks.
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Is the motherfucker in jail?
Hard choice but ultimately murder id say. If u rape someone u are leaving them scared for life and having to live through that, but they can ultimately recover and get to be happy again.
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+1 yIt's murder. Once your life gets taken away, you can't do anything else in life. If I were raped at least I can still benefit from several therapeutic and counseling sessions. At least I'm still alive and a survivor.
10 Reply 514 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. To me, it's comparing apples and oranges, they're both horrific.
The rape victim has to live with that having happened to them every day of their life, but they can still live, and some people can heal.
The murder victim will never live again, but at least they aren't suffering.00 ReplyIn my opinion 100% murdering !
By saying that I don’t mean rape is not bad but I’ve witnessed myself having orgasms during the rape...
And I’ve seen people who likes to get rape..212 Reply- +1 y
25% of women ADMIT to having at least one orgasm while being "raped".
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Having an orgasm during sex is an involuntary reaction while having sex. Last time my boyfriend and I had sex, my legs went numb and I was seeing stars. I can assure you that was involuntary because it was such a weird reaction. Both times I was being raped, I faked it so he wouldn't kill me.
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@KrakenAttackin Shut the hell up. Having an orgasm during sex is an involuntary reaction while having sex. Both times I was being raped, I faked it and said I orgasmed so I wouldn't die. Maybe you'd be able to tell the difference between a fake orgasm and a real one if you knew where the clitoris is.
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@1truekhaleesi Sounds like dramatic bullshit to me.
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@KrakenAttackin sounds like you're an ignorant dumbass to me.
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@1truekhaleesi Believe whatever you want. But I think "rape" plays right into the drama addiction most women have. Also, I believe men experience things that are as bad and much worse than rape, but we don't become totally unglued publicly.
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@KrakenAttackin it's not up to you to decide if there's something worse than rape for a person to go through. No, you can believe what you want. I will believe science
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@1truekhaleesi Really? Tell me about "rape" and "science"?
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@KrakenAttackin is it really that hard for you to process?
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@KrakenAttackin no wonder you're divorced
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@1truekhaleesi I am still waiting to hear about "rape science".
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@KrakenAttackin if I have to explain why rape isn't okay, you need to be chemically castrated. I've already explained that an orgasm is an involuntary reaction. Maybe if your ex wife wasn't faking it, you know that.
+1 yMurder. Yes, getting raped is bad, but at least you’re alive for starters, and the future ahead might work out for the better. Being murdered on the other hand completely eliminates the potential for a happier ending. You’re dead, so you can’t enjoy what your remaining life had to offer, and the last breaths before you die will be the most painful moment of your life both mentally and physically.
00 ReplyRape is worse for sure. Think of men being rapped also. They’re forever shamed & probably question their sexuality. Most men & women are Scared to tell anyone. I’d rather die than be raped & left to replay those thoughts repeatedly.
30 Reply3.5K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I would rather be killed than go through that again or at all. So clearly rape. Death compared is a blessing.
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This shouldn't even be debatable. Death is the end. There is no coming back. As traumatic as rape can be, that person can still live a long healthy, fulfilling life.
If a person is murdered. It's over. Nothing.00 Reply- 1.2K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
+1 yMurder, you universally end a life and all it’s potentials. With rape that sometimes happen via suicide but the final choice was the victims compared to with murder
00 Reply Rape because the victim will spend the rest of her, or his, life wishing they were dead. They'll have to deal with shame, hatred, I just guilt, sexual fear, distrust, counseling, questioning, anxiety, panic and more than likely PTSD.
10 ReplyGenerally speaking both are worth than the other.
Rape: Is a spiritual murder to the victim and very hard to recover after the horrible incident.
Murder: Is a spiritual rape to the family of the victim.20 ReplyMurder is worse because the person is dead and can no longer live their life with their families and friends.
10 Reply1.4K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Let me think about this... Hmmm, ... well one you survive, and one you die. -- I'm gonna say murder by far.
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+1 yI'm a female, so I picked rape. If it was rape and then murder, that would be better.
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+1 yIf you get murdered, you don't have to live with that.
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@David_Kek Their body their choice.
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@David_Kek Yeah, so they can just say "no" and then it isn't "humanitiain to euthanize rape victims."
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@David_Kek Well that's up to them isn't it? Maybe they had birth control & won't have to raise a rapist's child? Maybe they wanna change the world by tracking down one rapist at a time? We don't know their story.
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@David_Kek Besides, they'd still have to live through being raped. It's not like: "Oh well I was raped, might as well get myself assassinated as well." They can still say "I wish I died instead of being raped" though.
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@David_Kek Hey thnx, nice profile pic. I have a cat that looked like that when he was a kitten.
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@David_Kek Yeah, unwise to take any opinion or judgement to a logical extreme
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@David_Kek I was bringing up a factor re:which is worse, not making a logical or ethical judgement. If we were actually applying humanitarian utilitarianism here, I'd weigh in the suffering of the victim & perp's family and friends, and consider the relative severity of the trauma that the victims actually gonna live with. Thankfully, nobody actually has to play god like that.
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@David_Kek It doesn't matter if the persons lives 30 years or 30 seconds after the rape they still were forced to live with that time. The argument is that dying beforehand just on it's own without any rape at all can often be preferable to that. She's not saying it's always better either, she's just adding a logical point to add another reason for why rape is horrible. I didn't think I had to spell it out for you but your logic is wrong. Calling someone's ideas half baked is pretty offense especially since your logic argument only works assuming her statement alone is the entire reason for why rape is worse than murder. In no way does her statement equate to euthanizing rape victims as being humanitarian.
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@David_Kek I think the long term living as a rape victim is actually the easy part relative to the rape itself & your family & friends finding out. It doesn't make it any less horrible or worth mentioning as an added point for why rape is horrible or comparable to murder.
Here are some equations just in case you still need to check your logic:
Living as a rape victim > Death. (">" means "is better than")
Rape + Living as a rape victim ≈ Death. ("≈" means "is approximately equal to/is comparable to")
Rape + Living as a victim + Death << Death on its own ("<<" means "is much worse than")
by the way - I'm so sorry petrichor9 for this thread but I hope it's finally over now, I'm not gonna bother trying to convince someone more than this. - +1 y
@David_Kek 1. Neither 2. Even in a scenario where I'm forced to choose and I choose "Rape" it doesn't make rape better. I'd still prefer a world with only murder over a world with only rape. There's a simple reason: Assholes can also get murdered. Murder is much more indiscriminate than Rape.
That's beside the point: The original "logic" that you came in with is still wrong.
How about you let me ask you a question:
Do you still think everything you've been arguing about our logic is still right?
If you're answer is "No, I was wrong there" then you don't have to continue reading & we can drop the subject. (Keep in mind: I don't wanna talk Rape v. Murder with you, that's different)
If you're answer is "Yes, my logic is still right" then please keep reading:
Here's what the original comment that seemed to annoy you really meant:
"If you get murdered, you don't have to live with that." = Living as a Rape victim is bad & something that doesn't come with murder.
However:
"If you get murdered, you don't have to live with that." =/= Living as a Rape victim is worse than just accepting death
(That's why people "choose to"/"have to" live with it)
Therefore:
"If you get murdered, you don't have to live with that." =/= "it's humanitarian to euthanize rape victims"
So do you realize now that the "logic" you've been arguing is wrong?
Please just admit your logic was wrong instead of changing the argument. - +1 y
@David_Kek I can't believe you're not understanding. You're just reading what you want to read & interpreting it how you like & ignoring everything else, it's unbelievable. I never said or implied that "living [as a victim] is worse than being alive." Look- you're logic only works ASSUMING we said or implied that. You're simply misinterpreting our statements. It's not the only reason why rape is bad, just an added reason, a cherry on top, but not as bad as DEATH, at least not until you include all the other OBVIOUS reasons that also make rape bad that don't just go away cuz you killed yourself.
So congrats you're logic works when you put words in our mouth, you'd make a great American President.
I'm not going to explain it to you any further cause you clearly aren't reading, or maybe you only read as good as your grammar has been. So congrats, be predictable: insert your last comment and feel good about yourself.
You can't win an argument with an idiot but you can always make an intelligent person question themselves. I'm not calling you anything when I say that by the way so don't assume anything, I bet you'll just skim over it anyway like everything else I've said. - +1 y
@David_Kek You're such a troll, sure I'd rather be raped over murdered, but you didn't read the next sentence where I explained why rape is still worse. Instead you just ASSUMED (like always) that I'm an "illogical" if I still think rape can possibly be worse. Quit trolling dude you're 28, at least read & type properly.
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@FR_Ruby "I never said or implied that "living [as a victim] is worse than being alive." Look- you're logic only works ASSUMING we said or implied that."
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"If you get murdered, you don't have to live with that." - "The argument is that dying beforehand just on it's own without any rape at all can often be preferable to that."/"sure I'd rather be raped over murdered".
"It's not the only reason why rape is bad, just an added reason, a cherry on top, but not as bad as DEATH, at least not until you include all the other OBVIOUS reasons that also make rape bad that don't just go away cuz you killed yourself."
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1. That's odd, I'm pretty sure we weren't debating whether or not rape is bad. We were debating which is worse, rape or murder.
2. Yes, it does go away. "If you get murdered, you don't have to live with that." - No, you don't have to live with that, just one quick bullet and proof, you no longer have to live with any of that, because you're dead. That's how death works.
"sure I'd rather be raped over murdered"
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Now all you need to do is keep repeating that sentence in your mind, and after a while you'll realize the error in your logic.
Say it out loud a few times, and the stupid will slowly fall out of you.
"i'd rather be raped than murdered"
"i'd rather be raped than murdered"
"i'd rather be raped than murdered"
"i'd rather be raped than murdered"
"i'd rather be raped than murdered"
"but i believe that rape is worse, and that's why I've rather experience the worse option" - +1 y
@David_Kek The ORIGINAL comment, is just another reason for why rape is bad. Those reasons ACCUMULATE to the argument for why RAPE MIGHT BE worse (Not "IS" worse, but "MIGHT BE" worse). Living as a rape victim is like the 4th worst part of being raped, Not the WORST part. The 4th worst part of being Raped is NEVER gonna be worse than just DYING.
YES, I believe Murder is worse than Rape (keep reading) FOR THE VICTIM (did you read that?)
HOWEVER: Rape occurs about 30X more often in the US, so If I were asked whether I'd want all rapist or all murderers dead I would choose all RAPISTS because I know they are all GUILTY & I KNOW WHY they did it, and they are NOT justified in their actions & deserve to be judged at least just as harshly as a Murderer. ADDITIONALLY: A CHILD likely needs to be ABORTED (AKA MURDERED) for the Rape victim to go on with life like normal. You can't just ASSUME the victim is on birth control like you ASSUMED all other sorts of things. These reasons can accumulate and make Rape worse.
Unlike the Bald guy from the video at the top of this thread, I DO NOT want to go into the mind of the RAPIST to see why he did it because I have NO SYMPATHY for him. Like the bald guy said Rape is much simpler, I know why they did it, that's why I can much more easily judge them as worthy of receiving the Death penalty (Which is Murder by the way & A GOOD Murder).
REGARDLESS of whether RAPE or MURDER is worse, it doesn't mean that the "LOGIC" of your very 1st comment was not FLAWED. YOU came in and ASSUMED that the original comment BY ITSELF is enough reason to justify Rape as being worse than murdered, & ASSUMED therefore that: "living as a rape victim is worse than death" which is FALSE & NOT something that was ever implied.
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@David_Kek
I am ARGUING with you about how FLAWED the LOGIC of your original comment was, NOT RAPE V MURDER because EVEN IF your right about Murder being worse it DOES NOT make EVERYTHING ELSE you say CORRECT. I do not wanna argue Rape v Murder with you because that topic is about 30X larger than whether or not your logic is flawed, which is something you're not grasping.
BTW- here's a fun hypothetical question for you (since you like asking questions so much):
Would you rather be murdered or raped 30X by a man into your butt-hole randomly throughout your life & pay the price of an aborting each time effectively killing 30 unborn children. (30X Because rape is 30X more common (based on US Stats) & raped by a man because men rape men much more often than women rape men) (BTW- i KNOW no one wants to rape you and I KNOW that you won't have children but just pretend your a woman for once so don't immediately ASSUME I'm being illogical cause this is a hypothetical quesiton anyway.) Then After you've Killed 30 Rapist fetuses tell me Murder doesn't have benefits, unlike rape. Also hope you enjoy life with a 30x stretched Anus you slut. - +1 y
@David_Kek BTW- just in case you still don't get it
1. I still believe the logic of your 1st comment it flawed.
2. I'd rather be a rape victim that a murder victim
3. I'd rather kill all rapists in the world than all murderers (The reason is because there are many more rapists than murderers & I know they are all unjustified in what the did, also the people I care about are about 30X more likely to suffer from rape than murder so I'd rather eliminate their chance of being raped than of being murdered)
4. More people die from murder than from racism yet I still think Racism is at least about as big of a global issue as murder. Of course I'd rather suffer from Racism than from murder but that doesn't mean Racism (or Rape) can't possibly be a worse issue than murder overall throughout the world. - +1 y
@David_Kek Throughout history an inhumanely large sum of babies have been abandoned and left to die due to an inability for the mother to care for the child on her own in her poverty and without a father. Even today in most places in the world it's hard for people to be able to get an abortion and even if they do that fetus is still a victim who was created only to die due to rape.
Would you rather forsake babies and unborn humans or grown ass adults who've probably already lived a longer life than most people in history?
Btw- everything you said before you asked me "what about if some1 raped ur daughter heheh?" is still wrong and bad logic that only works when you misinterpret what people are saying.
Obviously you won't agree with me still so let's agree to disagree.
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+1 yrape, wouldn't want life after that so id rather be murdered
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+1 yTough to say. Rape tore me in half but it didn't end me. If my parents knew about the rapes, they would be equally horrified as if I got murdered.
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+1 yMurder. Recovering from psychological trauma can be hard. I have yet to hear of someone recovering from murder.
00 Reply2.5K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I think it depends on how aggressive/painful the spefic scenario is as well as how quickly/slow it happens but generally I think I'd rather be raped than murdered.
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+1 yMurder is worse. Rape is awful and horrible, and while the scars remain people recover from it. With murder there is no recovery.
Many of the answers seem to assume that murder would be quick. Lots of murders are slow and painful.00 Reply- 4.5K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic.
+1 yIt blows my mind that most girls will give their pussy away but they think "rape" is worse than murder.
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Seriously, you think your Vajayjay is so golden and so magical that a man should be killed for taking it, but yet you give it away like candy at Halloween.
573 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. I mean it's quite clearly murder, because they'd be dead?
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+1 yR*pe, because the victim has to keep living and recover.
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+1 yDepends on how rough each of them are, but generally it's going to be murder. Rape victims who went on to live normal lives until a ripe old age are a plain example of why murder is generally worse.
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Also, it's weird that if rape is worse then wouldn't that mean it's useless to threaten violence in order to get a woman to comply to that?
406 opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Well murder, cause they're dead, rape at least they're still alive, I mean trying to look at the bright side
00 Reply1.9K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Obviously the worst crime list goes teaching religion, being religious in anyway, treason, drunk driving, attempted murder, murder, rape of children, assault with a deadly weapon rape, thief
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+1 yI am sorry but you can't go to therapy and talk about your murder but if someone rapes me I can still live and go to therapy and talk about being raped.
00 ReplyRape damages one life where as murder damages multiple lives.
00 ReplyIt's crazy how divided we seem to be on this topic, lol.
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+1 yThis is one of the dumbest questions that people consistently ask each other.
00 Reply1.6K opinions shared on Society & Politics topic. Rape is worse it kills your soul and make you live in fear and depression that’s no way of living sometimes death is a dignity
00 ReplyRape leaves the victim wanting to die. Many rape victims commited suicide due to it. In that case that person got both murdered and raped.
00 ReplyThey're both vile crimes I don't think you can say ones worse than the other!
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+1 yMurder is worse in my opinion, because its permanent.
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