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Which do you think is worse, murder or rape? (Page 3)
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If you get murdered, you don't have to live with that.
You do realise by logic that means it's humanitiain to euthanize rape victims.
@David_Kek Their body their choice.
@FR_Ruby right, their choice that dying is preferable to living after being raped.
@David_Kek Yeah, so they can just say "no" and then it isn't "humanitiain to euthanize rape victims."
@FR_Ruby why would they say no if living as a rape victim is worse than dying?
@David_Kek Well that's up to them isn't it? Maybe they had birth control & won't have to raise a rapist's child? Maybe they wanna change the world by tracking down one rapist at a time? We don't know their story.
@David_Kek Besides, they'd still have to live through being raped. It's not like: "Oh well I was raped, might as well get myself assassinated as well." They can still say "I wish I died instead of being raped" though.
@FR_Ruby you're funny
@David_Kek Hey thnx, nice profile pic. I have a cat that looked like that when he was a kitten.
@David_Kek Yeah, unwise to take any opinion or judgement to a logical extreme
@David_Kek I was bringing up a factor re:which is worse, not making a logical or ethical judgement. If we were actually applying humanitarian utilitarianism here, I'd weigh in the suffering of the victim & perp's family and friends, and consider the relative severity of the trauma that the victims actually gonna live with. Thankfully, nobody actually has to play god like that.
Whether or not you find the logic conclusion of your half-baked ideas comfortable or not, doesn't change the fact that is your logic.
If dying is better that living as a rape victim, then logically rape victims dying afterwards would be more merciful than letting them live.
@David_Kek It doesn't matter if the persons lives 30 years or 30 seconds after the rape they still were forced to live with that time. The argument is that dying beforehand just on it's own without any rape at all can often be preferable to that. She's not saying it's always better either, she's just adding a logical point to add another reason for why rape is horrible. I didn't think I had to spell it out for you but your logic is wrong. Calling someone's ideas half baked is pretty offense especially since your logic argument only works assuming her statement alone is the entire reason for why rape is worse than murder. In no way does her statement equate to euthanizing rape victims as being humanitarian.
@David_Kek I think the long term living as a rape victim is actually the easy part relative to the rape itself & your family & friends finding out. It doesn't make it any less horrible or worth mentioning as an added point for why rape is horrible or comparable to murder.
Here are some equations just in case you still need to check your logic:
Living as a rape victim > Death. (">" means "is better than")
Rape + Living as a rape victim ≈ Death. ("≈" means "is approximately equal to/is comparable to")
Rape + Living as a victim + Death << Death on its own ("<<" means "is much worse than")
by the way - I'm so sorry petrichor9 for this thread but I hope it's finally over now, I'm not gonna bother trying to convince someone more than this.
@FR_Ruby let me ask you something, would you rather your daughter was raped or murdered?
@David_Kek 1. Neither 2. Even in a scenario where I'm forced to choose and I choose "Rape" it doesn't make rape better. I'd still prefer a world with only murder over a world with only rape. There's a simple reason: Assholes can also get murdered. Murder is much more indiscriminate than Rape.
That's beside the point: The original "logic" that you came in with is still wrong.
How about you let me ask you a question:
Do you still think everything you've been arguing about our logic is still right?
If you're answer is "No, I was wrong there" then you don't have to continue reading & we can drop the subject. (Keep in mind: I don't wanna talk Rape v. Murder with you, that's different)
If you're answer is "Yes, my logic is still right" then please keep reading:
Here's what the original comment that seemed to annoy you really meant:
"If you get murdered, you don't have to live with that." = Living as a Rape victim is bad & something that doesn't come with murder.
However:
"If you get murdered, you don't have to live with that." =/= Living as a Rape victim is worse than just accepting death
(That's why people "choose to"/"have to" live with it)
Therefore:
"If you get murdered, you don't have to live with that." =/= "it's humanitarian to euthanize rape victims"
So do you realize now that the "logic" you've been arguing is wrong?
Please just admit your logic was wrong instead of changing the argument.
@FR_Ruby lol, as I said, you're funny. Even you admit if forced to choose, you'd choose being raped over being murdered.
The logic does hold up. You are just being illogical. If living is worse than being alive, then dying is better than living.
@David_Kek I can't believe you're not understanding. You're just reading what you want to read & interpreting it how you like & ignoring everything else, it's unbelievable. I never said or implied that "living [as a victim] is worse than being alive." Look- you're logic only works ASSUMING we said or implied that. You're simply misinterpreting our statements. It's not the only reason why rape is bad, just an added reason, a cherry on top, but not as bad as DEATH, at least not until you include all the other OBVIOUS reasons that also make rape bad that don't just go away cuz you killed yourself.
So congrats you're logic works when you put words in our mouth, you'd make a great American President.
I'm not going to explain it to you any further cause you clearly aren't reading, or maybe you only read as good as your grammar has been. So congrats, be predictable: insert your last comment and feel good about yourself.
You can't win an argument with an idiot but you can always make an intelligent person question themselves. I'm not calling you anything when I say that by the way so don't assume anything, I bet you'll just skim over it anyway like everything else I've said.
@David_Kek You're such a troll, sure I'd rather be raped over murdered, but you didn't read the next sentence where I explained why rape is still worse. Instead you just ASSUMED (like always) that I'm an "illogical" if I still think rape can possibly be worse. Quit trolling dude you're 28, at least read & type properly.
@FR_Ruby "I never said or implied that "living [as a victim] is worse than being alive." Look- you're logic only works ASSUMING we said or implied that."
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"If you get murdered, you don't have to live with that." - "The argument is that dying beforehand just on it's own without any rape at all can often be preferable to that."/"sure I'd rather be raped over murdered".
"It's not the only reason why rape is bad, just an added reason, a cherry on top, but not as bad as DEATH, at least not until you include all the other OBVIOUS reasons that also make rape bad that don't just go away cuz you killed yourself."
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1. That's odd, I'm pretty sure we weren't debating whether or not rape is bad. We were debating which is worse, rape or murder.
2. Yes, it does go away. "If you get murdered, you don't have to live with that." - No, you don't have to live with that, just one quick bullet and proof, you no longer have to live with any of that, because you're dead. That's how death works.
"sure I'd rather be raped over murdered"
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Now all you need to do is keep repeating that sentence in your mind, and after a while you'll realize the error in your logic.
Say it out loud a few times, and the stupid will slowly fall out of you.
"i'd rather be raped than murdered"
"i'd rather be raped than murdered"
"i'd rather be raped than murdered"
"i'd rather be raped than murdered"
"i'd rather be raped than murdered"
"but i believe that rape is worse, and that's why I've rather experience the worse option"
@David_Kek The ORIGINAL comment, is just another reason for why rape is bad. Those reasons ACCUMULATE to the argument for why RAPE MIGHT BE worse (Not "IS" worse, but "MIGHT BE" worse). Living as a rape victim is like the 4th worst part of being raped, Not the WORST part. The 4th worst part of being Raped is NEVER gonna be worse than just DYING.
YES, I believe Murder is worse than Rape (keep reading) FOR THE VICTIM (did you read that?)
HOWEVER: Rape occurs about 30X more often in the US, so If I were asked whether I'd want all rapist or all murderers dead I would choose all RAPISTS because I know they are all GUILTY & I KNOW WHY they did it, and they are NOT justified in their actions & deserve to be judged at least just as harshly as a Murderer. ADDITIONALLY: A CHILD likely needs to be ABORTED (AKA MURDERED) for the Rape victim to go on with life like normal. You can't just ASSUME the victim is on birth control like you ASSUMED all other sorts of things. These reasons can accumulate and make Rape worse.
Unlike the Bald guy from the video at the top of this thread, I DO NOT want to go into the mind of the RAPIST to see why he did it because I have NO SYMPATHY for him. Like the bald guy said Rape is much simpler, I know why they did it, that's why I can much more easily judge them as worthy of receiving the Death penalty (Which is Murder by the way & A GOOD Murder).
REGARDLESS of whether RAPE or MURDER is worse, it doesn't mean that the "LOGIC" of your very 1st comment was not FLAWED. YOU came in and ASSUMED that the original comment BY ITSELF is enough reason to justify Rape as being worse than murdered, & ASSUMED therefore that: "living as a rape victim is worse than death" which is FALSE & NOT something that was ever implied.
@David_Kek
I am ARGUING with you about how FLAWED the LOGIC of your original comment was, NOT RAPE V MURDER because EVEN IF your right about Murder being worse it DOES NOT make EVERYTHING ELSE you say CORRECT. I do not wanna argue Rape v Murder with you because that topic is about 30X larger than whether or not your logic is flawed, which is something you're not grasping.
BTW- here's a fun hypothetical question for you (since you like asking questions so much):
Would you rather be murdered or raped 30X by a man into your butt-hole randomly throughout your life & pay the price of an aborting each time effectively killing 30 unborn children. (30X Because rape is 30X more common (based on US Stats) & raped by a man because men rape men much more often than women rape men) (BTW- i KNOW no one wants to rape you and I KNOW that you won't have children but just pretend your a woman for once so don't immediately ASSUME I'm being illogical cause this is a hypothetical quesiton anyway.) Then After you've Killed 30 Rapist fetuses tell me Murder doesn't have benefits, unlike rape. Also hope you enjoy life with a 30x stretched Anus you slut.
@David_Kek BTW- just in case you still don't get it
1. I still believe the logic of your 1st comment it flawed.
2. I'd rather be a rape victim that a murder victim
3. I'd rather kill all rapists in the world than all murderers (The reason is because there are many more rapists than murderers & I know they are all unjustified in what the did, also the people I care about are about 30X more likely to suffer from rape than murder so I'd rather eliminate their chance of being raped than of being murdered)
4. More people die from murder than from racism yet I still think Racism is at least about as big of a global issue as murder. Of course I'd rather suffer from Racism than from murder but that doesn't mean Racism (or Rape) can't possibly be a worse issue than murder overall throughout the world.
@David_Kek Throughout history an inhumanely large sum of babies have been abandoned and left to die due to an inability for the mother to care for the child on her own in her poverty and without a father. Even today in most places in the world it's hard for people to be able to get an abortion and even if they do that fetus is still a victim who was created only to die due to rape.
Would you rather forsake babies and unborn humans or grown ass adults who've probably already lived a longer life than most people in history?
Btw- everything you said before you asked me "what about if some1 raped ur daughter heheh?" is still wrong and bad logic that only works when you misinterpret what people are saying.
Obviously you won't agree with me still so let's agree to disagree.
rape, wouldn't want life after that so id rather be murdered
Tough to say. Rape tore me in half but it didn't end me. If my parents knew about the rapes, they would be equally horrified as if I got murdered.
Murder. Recovering from psychological trauma can be hard. I have yet to hear of someone recovering from murder.
I think it depends on how aggressive/painful the spefic scenario is as well as how quickly/slow it happens but generally I think I'd rather be raped than murdered.
Murder is worse. Rape is awful and horrible, and while the scars remain people recover from it. With murder there is no recovery.
Many of the answers seem to assume that murder would be quick. Lots of murders are slow and painful.
It blows my mind that most girls will give their pussy away but they think "rape" is worse than murder.
Seriously, you think your Vajayjay is so golden and so magical that a man should be killed for taking it, but yet you give it away like candy at Halloween.
I mean it's quite clearly murder, because they'd be dead?
R*pe, because the victim has to keep living and recover.
Depends on how rough each of them are, but generally it's going to be murder. Rape victims who went on to live normal lives until a ripe old age are a plain example of why murder is generally worse.
Also, it's weird that if rape is worse then wouldn't that mean it's useless to threaten violence in order to get a woman to comply to that?
Well murder, cause they're dead, rape at least they're still alive, I mean trying to look at the bright side
Obviously the worst crime list goes teaching religion, being religious in anyway, treason, drunk driving, attempted murder, murder, rape of children, assault with a deadly weapon rape, thief
I am sorry but you can't go to therapy and talk about your murder but if someone rapes me I can still live and go to therapy and talk about being raped.
Rape damages one life where as murder damages multiple lives.
It's crazy how divided we seem to be on this topic, lol.
This is one of the dumbest questions that people consistently ask each other.
Rape is worse it kills your soul and make you live in fear and depression that’s no way of living sometimes death is a dignity
Rape leaves the victim wanting to die. Many rape victims commited suicide due to it. In that case that person got both murdered and raped.
They're both vile crimes I don't think you can say ones worse than the other!
Murder is worse in my opinion, because its permanent.