The perceived conflict between science and religion is mostly a modern invention and illusion. It is a false dichotomy to assume that only one can be correct and therefore the other is false, science and religion are not at war with each other. They simply address different questions about reality through different means. Science seeks to understand natural phenomena by gathering evidence through observation and experimentation; but it is limited in that it can only make factual claims about the physical world, if something cannot be measured or observed scientific method won't be applicable. Science cannot prioritize our values or instruct proper moral conduct.
While religion addresses more abstract and philosophical subject matter. It offers insight into the human experience, and provides guidance through value judgements and moral directives; however, it cannot be used to research cures for a specific disease or build a more efficient combustion engine. Religion and science should be understood as different methods that can be used in conjunction in our overall search for truth.
Evolution as we understand it, is a means by which life adapts and develops, it does not explain how life itself was created or why. Perhaps evolution is just a method by which God (or higher intelligence, or divine creator or whatever you may choose to call it) allows life to develop and propagate? To be clear: evolution does not state that humans evolved from monkeys, only that we share a common ancestor; therefore, I don't see it contradicting or being incompatible with intelligent design.
Much of the conflict between religious and scientific proponents occur when literal interpretations of religious texts are attempted and asserted as scientific doctrine. The book of Genesis is frequently taken out of context in this manner and is one of the major points of debate and controversy between these two spheres, as a story of the world being created in six days does not align with our modern scientific understanding. Genesis was written in Hebrew, using the phenomenal language of the day in a somewhat poetic and metaphorical prose; therefore, to interpret it literally in opposition to modern scientific understanding would be rash and likely against the intentions of the original author. Additionally, the six days of creation is probably meant to set up a framework as opposed to representing an actual week. Consider that we base a day off the 24-hour rotation of the Earth, which would be meaningless if God had not yet created the Earth and sent it and all other planetary bodies into motion until the third day. Also, the Hebrew word "yom" used for 'day' in the original text can refer to an extended period of time, not necessarily a 24-hour day; consider in Chaldean, Hindu, and other cosmologies, a single day to God (who being omnipresent, would exist outside of time and space as we understand it) can last millions of years of subjective time on our time scales which would align this story to our current scientific understanding in a much better way.
In conclusion, I would say that evolution does not disprove the existence of God or negate intelligent design in any way; and instead of viewing religion and science in opposition with each other, we see them both as methods for discerning truth in the world around us and improving our lives as a whole. Let's keep an open mind and not get so caught up in the details that we ignore the timeless lessons that we have been taught through the vehicles of science and religion alike!
I'm not religious and I don't believe in God, but it wouldn't necessarily mean God doesn't exist. It would just mean the Seven Days of Creation myth and The Garden of Eden myths don't exist (which most sane people already can admit). Religion already doesn't care about scientific facts anyway, so why would this change anything?
@globetrotter22 I'm actually glad you brought your points up. Not because I intend to make fun of you or anything, but because it's a subject I study in my free time.
Evolution is a tricky thing. You question why monkeys still exist if we evolved from them. The simple answer is that a species doesn't go extinct just because one branch evolved. One of my favorite examples is Daspletosaurus Torosus, which is widely accepted to be the direct ancestor of T-Rex. Daspletosaurus continued to exist even after T-Rex was already around. Thus this is partly why humans and Bonobo Chimps are very close relatives, but, as you stated, different in appearance and intellect.
As for intellect, think of it in terms of survival. Survival of the fittest. With with hominids physical appearance changing, our ancestors had to adapt both physically and mentally. You get the first hominids using tools then passing along the knowledge collectively to their offspring and families. And then that continues on for about 6 million years till you eventually get to us. We didn't get this way over night. It takes ages. Survival of the fittest in our evolutionary terms is survival of the smartest.
I don't believe there is A god. I believe there could be a higher power out there, one that couldn't care less about making us in their image, I mean why would they? Why now vs 14 billion years ago when the known universe came in to being? Why now vs 250 million years ago when dinosaurs started evolving?
This gorilla is really cute. I think I fell in love with him. 😊
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To the contrary. Before Charles Darwin was an apple in his mother's eye, St. Augustine was writing about evolution - and as a proof of God's existence, no less.
The Roman Catholic Church has never objected to the theory of evolution. Only to the idea that it was disconnected and random. Arguing that an evolutionary process, in order to work, requires a directing intelligence. I. e, an intelligence or force that could produce the rational outcomes we see.
Evolution, in order to work, requires order. Otherwise it is simply a random process and could not produce consistent outcomes.
In fact, evolution is basically 100% proven. (To the extent that anything in science can be.) What is at issue is whether or not it was simply a random process that by pure luck and happenstance resulted in human beings and all that has followed.
To bring order out of chaos requires an intelligence. Here is where the nexus of evolution and God takes place.
Evolution is 100% correct.
There's really no theory behind it that is necessary because it is a simple natural physical process - as simple as arithmetic.
It occurs everywhere all the time.
Basically, it works like this:
Whenever a copy of something is made, errors in the copy are going to occur. When you keep making copies of copies, sooner or later, what you have resembles very little what you originally had.
The Game of Telephone exemplifies this. In the game, one person whispers a message to another person, who then whispers to another person, and so on. The final person then says what they believe the message is. That message is then compared to the message that the original person said. Almost always, it is considerably different. This video shows how it works.
So, why is the final message so different from the initial message? Memory is not flawless, so, when the next speaker says the message from memory, they often introduce one or more errors into their copy of the message. With every copy from each person, more errors are introduced.
Biological evolution is the same except that "memory" is the genes in our cells. So, when the genes are duplicated, errors occur.
In fact, this is why we die of old age... Sooner or later, your cells become defective having been copied so many times that, gradually, you are just a mass of defective cells and eventually you don't have enough good cells to stay alive.
A belief in God does not preclude evolution. An all-powerful being could certainly have created the conditions that would lead to evolution, right?
Even if you believe in the Bible, it's understood to have a multiple-generation translation of stories that were passed down via oral storytelling for hundreds of years before being written down, and that men of many eras have decided what was true or important to record and what wasn't. There is absolutely no way that what is written in a modern Bible is the exact same thing that was being taught 6000 years ago. The big concepts are likely the same, but the fine details have zero chance of being accurate.
In any case, evolution should not be seen as the enemy of God. Modern science began during The Enlightenment, but the goal of those early scientists was to better understand the world so as to better understand God. If a God could create an entire universe, why couldn't it create the conditions that led to what we call Evolution?
It's not going to be proven because it's false.
The more you look into it, the more obvious is becomes. I used to believe in evolution - being a scientist I was convinced it was true for most of my life... and that's because it was presented to me as a fact and I never bothered to hear the other side. I just assumed that I know better and only allowed myself to hear opinions that aligned with my viewpoint.
Evolutionists don't have the monopoly on science but they like to riddicule opposing opinions without properly addressing them. Their strategy is to make the other side seem crazy but never address the scientific evidence against what they're trying to sell. Similar to how globalists do with other science related topics nowadays.
And to those that say that evolution has been proven beyond doubt - no, it hasn't. It's still just a theory that is being presented to us as a fact, we're being gas lighted. It's became popular to believe in it rather than to question it.
Keep an open mind, always. I thought I did, but my arrogance blinded me.
"If evolution is ever proven 100% real and we discovered for a fact that we came from monkeys...", absolutely nothing about the god debate changes. Inverting that line of thinking, you get "if evolution is 100% false, then the Book of Genesis is basically a historical account of the inception of man". That is not true either. Though there are some people who believe in New Earth Creationism, and there's plenty of "evidence" that both supports and rebuts that position, both worldviews require some element of post-hoc reasoning to explain the unexplainable; it's simply the degree to which such rationalization is needed that determines the degree of plausibility--hence, Occam's razor.
However, both of these presuppositions are missing the bigger picture: just like how the Bible is meant to be a warning against the hubris of man, the idea that science can definitely prove the absence of a divine being is equally egotistical. We are not the center of the universe--literally or figuratively--and shouldn't pretend that we are. At best, we can only achieve approximations of knowledge, contingent on our capacity to comprehend the results of our findings and overcome our innate limitations. There will never come a point where supernaturality will be completely proven or debunked by the scientific method. You cannot outmaneuver the metaphysical, using methods that are constrained by natural law.
After all, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
Evolution has already been proven to be 100% correct.
When people say "we aren't sure how something evolved" they are talking about genetic relationships from species that died out more than 50,000 years ago, because DNA usually doesn't last much longer than that in any readable sense.
You can prove evolution using living animals though, the easiest way being with dog breeds, and the second easiest way being looking at humans and seeing how they compare to their parents and grandparents.
Human evolution only becomes grey when looking at how our species evolved, because while we can 100% prove our genetic relations to our primate cousins using a DNA test, we are also victim to the issue that remains of other human species, and remains of other homonid species, are scarce.
So it's like trying to piece together a puzzle when you are missing 99% of the peices.
Basically we don't know how many branches there were, but we do know we are apes, and that apes evolved from monkeys, and monkeys from lemur type mammals, and that bats are the closest living relatives to primates.
As for God, you can already prove a god can't exist, because omnipotence and creationism are self contradictory. More specifically, opposites make it impossible to be omnipotent, and the universe had to have always existed because gaining something from nothingness is impossible.
The same thing could be said about aliens and Bigfoot.
What would their existence do to the world's religions who preach that man was made in God's image?
An off world being like a Gray? Short but lanky, big head, huge eyes, flies light years in a spacecraft more advanced than Science Fiction can fathom?
And what about Bigfoot/Sasquatch? Any change in thinking and theology there?
Whether God is real or not is never the question. The question concerns faith. An unwavering belief in the unseen and untested.
If aliens popped up, or Bigfoot were confirmed as the missing link in the evolutionary chain, NOTHING would change about God. Faith however... would take a major hit.
Here they believed, had faith in, all that was written and taught, only to have the rug ripped out from under them, thus tearing their foundation away. Those that believed, that had faith, would be lost.
I'm not sure what humanity's need is to have something to worship that's bigger than them. A standard to live up to maybe? A set of rules to govern themselves by that transcends time? Is that what every religious book is for? A book of stories to live by? Examples? Standards? Aesop's Fables with morals? Words of wisdom? Words to live by? Written by someone or something that MUST be supreme to man to write those wise words, and if so, it must have a face and a name, so well call him/her/it God?
None of us will ever know, and debating it does nothing, but cause problems.
it is a fairy tale invented by satan
for GOD Christ drowned the army of pharaoh under the earth sea
let the chariots declare his glory
for the snake of outer darkness shows the judgement of those who reject Christ
they shall circle the earth in pain and torture,
LET THE HOLY SPIRIT BE YOUR TEACHER
for GOD knows all things
for evolution is foolishness
for the holy spirit reveals many things to me
for my GOD drowned the giants in the flood
and their bodies cover the earth
there's a huge flaw with your question. you're assuming the bible in the way god made you humans was correct which i can 100% assure you it wasn't. humans come from different species of animals and humans were made by aliens and those aliens were given orders by a higher power to create you humans which was part of God's intricate design. The reptilians wanted the greys to create humans because the greys can not reproduce by themselves which was an original flaw on the reptilians parts when they designed the greys. second the reptilians want to enslave you humans but the galactic federation has been preventing this and letting humans evolve on their own which is also part of God's plan. Sometimes God needs/wants evil to kick start something and let good take over from there. look at the movie spawn you'll see my point. spawn gets his powers from the devil and one of god's angels helps spawn become a hero. same with ghostrider his powers came from evil but are used for good. kind of shitty analogies but you get why you humans exist now
I'm a Christian and evolution is real.
God made the word in 7 days, right? God create the big bang and cause things to go into motion. In those 7 days were was the big bang and the stars and the Galaxy was made and the Earth was made. (Not going into deep detail you get the concept and the Bible) When God was perfecting everything and the animals he made us, Adam and Eve. Adam first then took half of Adam's rib cage to make Eve, the first man and woman his children. And we know how the story goes and his they got kicked out of the Garden of Eden and gave us his only son Jesus Christ to forgive for our sin.
God will show you the truth and his teachings in time. Everything has a purpose even if you don't understand.
Well god as in an almighty man living in a kingdom in the skies does not exist, it's regardless of evolution, all holy books are written by people no one has ever seem proof of god it's just a well written book that insists we should belive without proof.
That being said I do believe there is a creator behind the universe, we are too well made for it to be some coincidence but the creator is a complete mystery.
So even if evolution is proven to be 100% correct it still doesn't answer the question: what was here before us? And where did we come from?
Do you know that have to stuff that our scientists have stated about anything and everything to be true did they are only maybe 5% right on everything that they have ever stated everything that we believe that we know to be true every 10 years 5 years year changes because they didn't have it right and I'm going to have to agree with this it's not right until I know for 100% for sure the one most powerful thing in this world if we got when we were born it is the most powerful word it's called choice we get to choose we want to be by the things we say and do now sometimes in this world something are made to look like something else and we get to choose what we want to believe
They found that evolution was a lie. All the skulls and homosapiens stuff was all a hoax.
There was no such thing as evolution. Science is a cult. History was hidden away from society. The true Bible was hidden away. The real 10-commandments from Moses was hidden. Noah’s Ark destroyed. They’ve also found that there was never a meteor that killed the dinosaurs. The so-called dinosaurs were mutated monsters created for war and chaos. The world-flood killed the dinosaurs because God killed them all. The IceAge also killed the dinosaurs. Before the flood the world in every map for every country and nation of every language “was flat” inside of a dome. NASA photoshops all of earths pictures. No picture of earth is real. They’ve hidden extra land beyond the ice walls. People knew of American-Continents in the age of Noah.
God is 100% Real. 100%
We’re seeing it now… as religions pushed aside we see less morality and less people caring about others. I personally don’t believe in god in the usual sense. I believe the books in religion were road maps to understanding morality and god was a creation of man to strike fear and awe into them enforcing the law of morality. I also believe places like heaven and hell and the alternates are simply ways to describe or express the world through our moral decisions. If we promote morality the world becomes heavenly whereas if we abandon morality for hedonism we find hell due to societal breakdown and a lack of restriction to direct society.
God is God (for those who believe this to be true). Considering that he is and if you believe the Bible is God's word, then It's not about whether or not evolution exists. It in a way comes down to Evolution vs. Creation with God as the creator. We're not evolved, we were created (once again this all depends on belief. Who God us. What your faith is or whether you believe in any of these things at all). Good question, It's really tough and overwhelming when there's so many things that many of us don't understand or have all the answers to.
God was never proven to exist, so no, it wouldn’t. Also, a scientific theory is entirely different from a hypothesis, in that a theory can be demonstrated over and over to be a reliable description of a phenomenon, in this case evolution. Darwinian evolution describes how traits in a species change over time in response to the environment in the WILD. It does not prescribe a way to choose for the “best” traits, just how a species changes over time. This is why social darwinism, which Darwin realized his research might be used for and made very clear that such an ideology would be awful for humanity, is pseudoscience and not scientific fact.
Honestly, I don’t think it matters whether a god exists, as scientists have done fine with describing reality without the need for a god. Believe what you want, it’s your birthright, but please don’t fall for pseudoscience.
To be honest I don't see any contradiction between the evolution which can be seen clearly when looking carefully around, and the existence of a God. It's first of all a matter of correctly interpreting Holy Scripts. Depending on one's convictions, our universe has been created in seven days (!) or evolved from an original Big Bang. What contradiction is there actually if one considers the seven days being a symbolic way to tell the story? Can't we call God all about the universe we can't explain at the moment?
I mean this only as an example to tell that it's perfectly possible to believe in God while accepting humbly what science discovers and explains. All this does not diminish the philosophic value of Holy Scripts.
I remember an episode of Stargate, where on another planet a scientist, who deeply believes in God, says that even if he discovered the proof of the non existence of God, he would still be happy to have progressed in knowledge and wisdom.
Hasn't it already been proven 100% correct? To within a very small rounding error, at least? You'll get people insisting that there has to have been intelligence to create intelligence, but where did that intelligence come from? And why would it worry about what you do in your bedroom?
There's literally no concrete evidence for a god, but there's huge amounts of evidence for lying, not just in humans, but animals as well.
Just because religion created space for people to think without having to worry about feeding themselves doesn't mean religion created science, it just means science evolved by being fitter than religion.
The question is false because didn't evolve from monkeys. 20 to 30 million years ago, we evolved from common ancestors that no longer exist. Evoluation cannot be proved, even the law of gravity cannot be proved because you cannot prove that if you drop a penny it will fall. However, just like evolution, you cannot fine any examples where it is not true. That is why evolution is accepted as fact by almost all scientific people.
With current knowledge, the existance of God cannot be proved nor disproved. However, there are many questions we are unable to answer that might make someone question, "How could that be, if their is no God?"
Why are we looking to "Science" to prove if a Sky-Daddy exists or not?
You'd think the Sky-Wizard would have the balls to come down here and settle the debate once and for all, instead, he lets all these thousands of spiritual believers squabble in ignorance and darkness about which Sky-Faerie Religion is the correct one. If there is a god (or gods / goddesses) then he (or they, or she, or it, etc..) is not a BENEVOLENT one. The Gnostics would be more closer to the truth that the god who created this 3D realm is a sadistic evil bastard.
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