Do you support the idea of “Reparations Payments” being given to eligible Black persons “to atone for centuries of slavery & systemic racism” (& WHY)? (Page 2)
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It feels like it should be the other way around. You have to consider every once safe prosperous neighborhood that went to hell when blacks moved in and the original residents lost the value of their homes that they spent their life paying for. Almost 99% of interracial rape (~20,000) per year is white woman being raped by a black man. 85% of interracial crime has been black on white. All of the once successful schools that became war zones post diversity and all the whites that were cheated out of a job for affirmative action. All the government (taxpayer) funds that have been spent on the higher level of policing needed for higher crime performed by blacks. All of the medical and science advancements that didn't occur because we chose a scientist engineer or doctor based on skin color instead of ability. The welfare that is disproportionately paid for by whites and collected by blacks. Seems like it is high time for whites to be paid back.
@notwoke
You make some excellent points here.
Reparations to black people is ass-backwards when you realize the first people to get screwed over are still the most in poverty: Native Americans. We should not be focusing all our attention on black people like the ultra-liberal media wants us to. Their are other races in the world.
Black people collect public assistance at higher rates than Whites. Whites pay taxes at higher rates than Blacks. It sounds like Whites are the slaves in the modern era, and Blacks owe us reparations. That said, I know the real enemy are the central bankers and their puppets they buy with money they print out of thin air. If we remove them, eliminate federal income tax, take back our currency and back it by something tangible then I think that will resolve most issues.
A person’s tax rate is connected to their income level and NOT their skin color/race.
With BLM being directly funded with tax dollars that have been embezzlement through public programs I'd say there is a very strong tie to skin color. Why did you think banks are now failing all the sudden? Why are they being taken over? What will bank records provide? List names, family history, investment/ownership stakes, and point-to-point contacts. Follow the money...
+FLY+
Banks control Gov'ts
Gov'ts control people
SA controls elected people.
SOROS controls organizations of people.
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The social welfare program is nothing more than an open-ended credit balance
system which creates a false capital industry to give nonproductive people a roof
over their heads and food in their stomachs. This can be useful, however, because
the recipients become state property in return for the "gift," a standing army for
the elite. For he who pays the piper picks the tune.
Woodrow Wilson (D) and the 63rd Congress which was Democrat controlled installed the Federal income tax and Federal Reserve system in 1913. This debt slavery/usury has been in place for our entire lives. It's been in place for our parents entire lives. It's been in place for our grand parents entire lives. Generation after generation of enslavement. It's time for real reparations.
*embezzled
“It's time for real reparations” for whom?
You guys didn't learn from the Twitter Files?
Elon Musk is ‘open to the idea’ of buying Silicon Valley Bank
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When you buy a crime scene all the evidence is right there for the taking...
For Americans that didn't sell out their country.
Again - “It's time for real reparations” for whom?
Which answer-option letter did you select in this question’s poll?
Absolutely not. I had nothing to do with it, neither have my parents or their parents or their parents. I will not have my taxes raised, to cover atrocities or harmful acts done to the ancestors of those currently alive, who have no experienced such things. My family has been through the ringer, would it be ok if we made the English pay us reparations? No.
The payments are for racism not slavery in my opinion.
Which answer-option did you select in the poll?
I don't remember but I would love to see it happen. Be a great case study to see San Fran either burn to the ground or the rise up and make it a better place. California never had slaves but they did have a lot of racism.
Do you support or NOT support the idea of “Reparations Payments”?
I support
I don’t agree with you but thanks for your opinion.
Nobody should agree with me based on my WHY I support it lol Many may think the same way I don't know.
All I was saying is that I DON’T support it.
I don't support the idea of it but I do support them trying it because this issue isn't going away so let's get it over with and see what happens lol
Hmm…
You now say you “don't support the idea of it; HOWEVER, this question asked “Do you support the idea of “Reparations Payments”…?” and you voted that you support it.
Yes for my own selfish reasons lol Sorry
Eh I don’t know I’d rather money go towards helping parents and children that are low income and trying their best to just make ends meet.
If we were in a better financial state than yea but their are other things that would be more of a priority.
Ok. So what is your vote in the poll?
I said no. Not he’ll no because I get the sentiment but I’m not sure if that’s the way to help with equality.
Saying different words — No” instead of “HELL NO” — is a better “way to help with equality?
(To me those 2 sets of words are merely degrees of emphasis/confidence about someone’s non-support.)
Hahaha no no that’s not what I meant 🤣
If any reparation is to be paid, it'll go to the person who was actually a slave during that time 160 years ago. All California, et al, are trying to do is buy votes.
How can reparations “go to the person who was actually a slave during that time 160 years ago”? All of those people are long dead.
Also, California has always been a “free state”: slavery has NOT existed in California.
One more question:
Which answer-option letter did you select in this question’s poll?
I selected "A"
Quite possibly one of the stupidest ideas to come out of California to date.
Why is that?
1) No one alive in California was ever a slave
2) California was never a slave-owning state
3) All races have been slaves, why not reparations for Chinese, Japanese (who were actually interred in California), whites, etc?
4) This would be a disaster for the economy... do you think any black person would keep working? Do you think thefts and robberies would go up?
Great points.
But many blacks are descendents of slavery I am 4th gen of slavery. Plus they're not many black who live in California. Also the money should come from bankers and today's 1% who ownerd slaves and became rich doing it.
@Fuentes You understand bankers aren't sitting on piles of money like scrooge mcduck, right? And what about black people who immigrated here after the slaves were freed? Should they get money, too? And do you have to be 100% black? Part black? 1 drop rule again?
This is all a moot point. It's wildly unconstitutional, unsustainable, and won't ever result in a payout.
It's been clear the US has a list of all "freeman" after they were freed they know who the immigrants that are actual immigrants this isn't people crossing the Mexican border. Their was a list of actual freeman of slaves and that lost goes back my family is on that list. Theirs still declaration of papers of freedom for blacks who became actual citizens. So this is actually dated, the family trees are not outrageous. I am 4th generation that isn't hard to track and my kid is 5th generation and she isn't hold enough to have her own family to make a 6th or 7th generation. So no this isn't a impossible task to search through.
Also most banks today are 1% rich, do you know what that is? Trillionaires not just billions if you look up the list of bankers & Businessman today that family's and companies became trillionaires due to free labor of slaves you would be amazed big names we all KNOW who still are around today. They built themselves from slavery, so why should they not pay back what's owed? You don't just become 1% rich just because, if that was possible everyone would be apart of the 1%.
@Fuentes Every race has been a slave at one point. Why aren't you going after the African warlords that enslaved your ancestors? They're the 'drug dealers' as it were.
So that's your big excuse? Lol since when do foreigners matter if it happen in the US?, Natives got paid back snd still today our tax dollars go to most of their tribes so they can keep funding their reservations, we gave Japanese money after the internment camps & we gave the south east azns money as refugees cause we tore their country apart, same as the Bosnians the people of Kosovo & Iraqis & the Afghanis. But that's all quite alright huh? Lol it happen on US soil not in Africa and even during 1776 when the US was completely formed slavery still persisted. Therefore those who had others work for free and make them rich, should pay back, if you have an issue with that, then why are you not working for free? Infact if your boss didn't pay you what he owes you, you would sue them?
So why are you expecting others to lay down and accept it? If your grandfather or father was ripped off abd never paid would you not keep up the fight just because they passed away? And let someone else become rich off his hard labor?
@Fuentes So it's ridiculous for me to expect compensation for something that happened to my ancestors but not you. Got it.
Did I say it was ridiculous? Or did i say why would you not fight for yours and why don't you work for free then?
@Fuentes That's a dumb comparison. You're not a slave. You've never been a slave. No one you know has ever been a slave. No one alive is a slave owner.
Why does it matter who I knew? I am 4th generation of slavery which means my grandfather knew a slave? So what does that tell you? Old people are still alive today who knew a slave. So what does that mean they should sit down and not get paid and trillionaires who benefited off free labor keep their money? I am telling you not to nakw tax payers, PAY but make the RICH who benefited off it pay and you stoll have an issue with it, which tells me deep down with you it's just a jealousy thing. Cause why would you care if the rich who became rich today off free labor gave back? What they owed, if you yourself will not work for free, why do you have an issue? Especially if the government isn't paying for it?
@Fuentes Because you have this ridiculous idea that the rich are sitting on piles of money just waiting to give it back. What will happen is that any fine levied on these corporations would be passed on to consumers and I ultimately pay for it. I don't owe the debt. YOu will ultimately pay for it. So you're paying yourself with your money.
So the 1% aren't trillionaires? or are you ignorant? or is it nust something deeper within yourself your mad about? When the situation would lie on them. If I sue someone for money it's going to come for them or their insurance. Still has nothing to do with tax dollars buddy.
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@Fuentes You believe there are trillionaires? Really?
1% is what? Made up? Theirs enough trees to print that much money we been using the dollar since the 1700's yet you think that it has not added up for some people to the trillions? So in the early 1700s, 1800s and 1900s people weren't billionaires? Like Andrew Carnegie and many more to be exact so you think there well in the 2000's hasn't reached the trillions? Dude where have you been?
@Fuentes ok, name me the person who has trillions. I'll wait.
Is 2030 not in a few years? Makes perfect sense for reparations to be in talks now because many of the rich are going to be hitting that threshold real soon again as I said in the 2000's. So therefore reparations can be paid, which again would even take years to set up In the first place so if it's not coming out of our pockets whats the problem? If your upset others are getting a hand out and not you, go take that up with the slave owners and the US government for not fixing that issue and paying everyone else when their were only 1s and 2nd generation post slaves.
Instead if stupid segregation, CIA and President Carter and Regan throwing drugs In black Neighbhorhoods and the liberals Hilary and Biden locking blacks up with a huge crime bill to fix up the mess the CIA made in that community and now we're in the 2000's and reparations are finally being talked about in a serious way.
Your putting your anger in the wrong vision, so we both agree the gov has no business paying it. But the rich are going to hit that threshold and those who made there riches in slavery will and should pay what is owed. Can't change history brother, they made it right with the Natives and everyone else but ignored us. It's not going to just go away and soon we will be paid.
@Fuentes. I’m going to try to make it real simple for you. I’m one of these 1% Guys you get upset about. I make $10,000,000 a year selling hamburgers. I sell my burgers for $10 each. Along comes this lovely reparation plan you like. My share is $1,000,000. I’ll raise the price of my burgers to $15. I still make $10,000,000 a year and you just paid $5 more for each of my burgers for your reparation check.
So your mad you can't be a fat ass and keep eating burgers at a high cost? And can't just go to another burger joint saleing cheaperong burgers? Because the other burger joint didn't do the deed of getting RICH because they had others work for them I'm free labor. It's funny how you you can be so American but the minute you don't think something is fair you turn into a communist real quick and think free labor is OK well like I said and tell everyone look buddy if you want communist way in a country who has fought agaisnt communism time and time again
You better pack your bags and move to China. Cause only the rich get away there without paying their employees.
You will learn once you move to China why the Chinese & Karen's and most of Asia hates Japan because they were enslaved by them at one point when Japan annexed most of the area in the early 1900s before their loss in world War two.
If that type of hatred still exist today in those countries with their people it just tells you slavery has ever lasting effects. But because slavery happen here and not their and the Natives got paid back, and the Japanese we put in internment camps got got paid back it's only fair. Like I already said not from the government but but from the rejects who profited off free labor. It doesn't affect you in the slightest I could give a fuck if you can't buy a burger cause the price went up. You can just go somewhere else because again this doesn't affect our economy it just affects the 1% who made profit off slavery
So now your arguing about nothing because it doesn't affect you or my pockets. Like I said you can't change history and you can't pick & choose when you wanna support communism or not.
@Fuentes Bro, I don’t know if you’re drunk tonight or not. I think you might be. Because you’re not making the least bit of sense.
I’m telling you flat fuckin out that you will end up paying for any reparations you think you are owed.
You have some weird fantasy that the “rich” just sit on piles of money and when you get the government to pass a reparations bill they go “AW GOLLY SHUCks YOU GOT ME! NOW I WILL GLADLY GivE UP MY MONEY TO YOU” and they’ll open their wallets and hand you cash with a smile and bid you good day.
It's a solution to the problem, you're arguing agaisnt the solution lol they can easily be sued for free labor this isn't China.
@Fuentes It’s not a solution to a problem. Do you think money fixes things like a magic wand? Do you think racists will suddenly go “Oh, black people are cool now that they got $5 mil of my tax dollars”. Have you ever read about these rednecks that win the lottery? They’re broke and their lives are miserable within years.
Man idc about racist lol or stupid rednecks if anyone ruins their lives that's on them. Money fixes everything I come from poverty and now live in SoCal. I'm not trying to hear that bullshit, not everyone who gets money Is dumb the real reason is your jealous bro. Like I said you can't change history or support Communism here. I mean you can but everyone's gonna tell you to pack your bags lol
You sound like a liberal " you think racist are gonna think your cool" lol I don't live in the whack south or near any predominantly white cities. They'll get over it just like they all accept Biden sending 100s of billions to Ukraine, our government sending billions to DACA programs for illegals, billions going to free healthcare for illegals, billions going to the DMV to get illegals free drivers license, Millions that Bush spent on a theme park in Iraq, that the hajjis blew up anyway & all that millions of dollars worth of equipment Biden left behind in Afghanistan & all those billions the Bush administration, Obama and Trump & Biden Admin spent towards those wars all for Biden to fuck it all up and so much more of waste of billions I can name that these racist you claim I care about like a liberal would claim. Won't just get over it like they have all the other billions they lost in Tax dollars.
But again my solution is for the rich who profited off slavery go pay but instead you wanna be a liberal and communist & not find a solution you just wanna cry and point fingers. Racist, Communist, and Liberals are all the same.
@Fuentes If you want to be rich then get off your ass and work for it.
Hate to brag bro, but I got money it's pretty evident I live in SoCal it speaks for its self. You should be taking your own advice cause i seen what you posted you do and that's not anywhere close to me or more money then me. I suggest you make better life choices. At 35 or higher you should have had way more then me. I came from poverty and and already bypassed many. Like. i said stop being jealous and get a better job or do something cause your little stagnant job ain't doing it for you buddy lol
@Fuentes how the fuck do you presume to know you have more than me? Lol. That’s retarded.
I know bro. You spend a lot of time on GaG infact I been here for years and never reached master and you were here for like 1 or 2 years and had it quick, tells me a lot of free time and boredom and defenitley make less then me. You also live in a Southern east State and those min wage and payments aren't high at all. I just know, you can check. the years I been here and you been here and make the comparison how fast you got master lol
@Fuentes wait, you’re the one begging for reparations from white men. Clearly you’re not as “well off” as you’re claiming on this website.
@gorydetails oh did I hurt your feelings? I am very well off buddy, trust me and make more then you while you no life on here, one year and got master lol don't make me laugh again check my years to date and my xper points and we can see who has a life or not buddy boy 😂😂😂😂
@Fuentes lmao. No, I’d have to care about you for you to hurt my feelings. I think it’s hilarious that someone who claims to be rich has zero clue how business or wealth works, and thinks white men need to give him money.
Never said I was rich I said I am well off that means I'm good and money is always in my bank account? You don't know that life huh? Makes sense why your self projecting. I said anyone who profited off slavery should pay, not the government. But your a communist and think people should work for free by also like a liberal because you refuse to work for free? So what sense does that that make. Well you wouldn't know cause your to busy no lifing it here. Whether you like it or not in this country Reparations are a thing & Natives and Japanese were paid back, yet you think blacks should not.
But I have more then you, I just don't agree with free labor that's the disagreement we have & your mad because your a hypocrite and have communist views & don't like that you can't make up your mind about it & you clearly made bad life choices so it makes you mad others will finally reap the benefits of their family's hard free labor.
@Fuentes
You know I respect you and have no hate in my heart towards you. If I’m not mistaken you and I have had similar conversations to this one before.
Let me ask you a question. If you think you’re entitled to reparations as the 4th Gen descendent of slaves, shouldn’t I, the 3rd Gen descendants of civil war vets be entitled to not pay?
If it should get payed forward to you, shouldn’t my ancestors deeds also get paid forward to me?
@Exterminatore I am just telling you that people can't pick and choose when they wanna accept free labor, whether you want Americans to work under free labor or you don't, you can't pick and choose when you wAnna support Communism, this is the US of A and last time I checked wage theft is illegal, am I wrong?
Also I said a solution I don't beleive the government should be paying back, I beleive the business's who are rich today iff profiting from slavery should be paying back. You can look up on Google and do a quick search of how many business's that are billionaires today built themselves up and are now super rich today off the backs of others. Yet this should be ignored?
Also blacks also fought in the civil war, it wasn't only whites it was a majority of whites. Answer this question were your ancestors not paid for the civil war? Last time I checked every soldier who fought in the Union were PAID. Nobody fought for free and none of them were slaves and made any corporations rich, who made billions today because they got in off the backs of others and free labor.
If you don't like history take it up with the past, they could have solved this with the first and 2nd generation of post slaves but they did not, to busy argueing about what label they would be naming us. Think about how long it took for the government to finally come up with a race labell & writing crime bills and taking part in corruption with the CIA just to abolish russian ingluence and flooded our neighborhoods with drugs. But they were to busy doing all that non sense instead of making a small payment back in the day.
they made money and now they owe and it's time to PAY up.
@Fuentes
Certainly those who profit from a crime should make restitution to the victims.
The problem here is both perpetrators and victims are all dead. It’s an abomination for the innocent to be punished as if they were guilty. It’s likewise an abomination to allow the guilty to go unpunished.
A cooperation as you know is made of of share holders who hold stock. Why should those who hold stock in a company have to loose profit for crimes they didn’t commit and were committed 160 years ago or more?
To make matters worse I think very few if any cooperations made money off black American slaves. At the time plantations were for lack of better terms the cooperations in the southern US. I am not aware of any industrial operations that used American slaves. If I’m wrong please post a link that I may examine it.
I would say, yes, they should have solved this at the time, but they didn’t and none of us who are alive today are responsible for what was done that long ago.
With segregation and Jim Crow law a fair and reasonable class can easily be made that there are some who are alive who were direct victims of such policies. They should receive compensation. The solution of the government was affirmative action to attempt to compensate for that.
I also have a problem with that because people who weren’t victims benefit from this while it disadvantages every single other race, not just whites. They should have given monetary compensation at that time.
Yes, Union soldiers were paid. They were also killed in mass and wounded in mass. They put their lives on the line and were willing to fight and die to correct the problem. Yes, there were black Union soldiers also who did likewise.
My general point is though that both actual victim and those who committed the misdeeds are dead in most cases. That it is the actual victim who should be compensated not generations later of their descendants and that it is those who did wrong who should be punished and not their
Descendants
@funtens
Also check out @notwoke comments on this question. He does make some valid points.
@Exterminatore what country do we live in? I see to think you have it confused with with China. This is America 🇺🇲 therefore we have heard of people who are charged with embezzlement & money laundering and all kinds if crimes shareholders have been made to pay in restitution and more because there colleagues or associates were caught. It doesn't matter just because one person did it, it hurts the whole company. This has been our justice system for YEARS. So it is fair if you're choosing to endorse, invest & and buy big shares making you a partial owner of a company you are entitled to pay if they do something wrong it's going to hit everyone's pockets.
If you can't due the due diligence before you buy into something that's nothing more then your own fault. You can't buy a house at a auction and not do any research and then get mad when you find out the sewage system doesn't work, and abuncha other mishaps and then be like well it's not my fault I just bought into it? Do your research. You are just so use to people of color being done wrong for so long you saw nothing wrong. Wage theft is a crime in this country and it has been commited by slavery and free HARD LABOR. Therefore if you're into a business who made there money off of free labor you will pay back.
If you don't like this law I suggest you go to China because free labor doesn't exist in this country. It's pretty simple it will not be ignored and no it will not go away. They owe and they will pay.
No. How about the Irish who were enslaved before the Africans arrived? How about The Trail of Tears?
There is no provable systemic racism. It is just another woke trend hoping to transfer wealth from those who earned it.
I don't own slaves, used slaves or ever had a slave. Why should I be punished cause my great great great granpa was an asshole?
Why not?
First of all, in California, slavery never existed. Secondly, if we start giving reparations to Black people, then Indians will want the same. Third, we don’t have the $$ to do that, fourth, most blacks could not prove their ancestors were slaves. And on and on and on.
Ok. Thanks for all that.
No.
Their ancestors were slaves.
They were not.
End of debate
To add.
Are the African coutries that sold slaves to europeans also pay reparations?
Great question.
And what about the slave-trading/importing countries?
You inspired me to look stuff up — the following source…
www.slaverysite.com/Body/facts%20and%20figures.htm
…identifies the following information…
The top 5 “Slave Transporting European Countries”:
Portugal
Britain
Spain
France
Holland
The top 5 “Slaves Delivered-to Destinations”:
Brazil
Spanish Empire
British West Indies
French West Indies
(***Note: there is a tie of 2 destinations for 5th place***:) British North America & U. S. / Dutch West Indies
@grega239
FYI: Your comments inspired me to post the following question…
Should countries which have traded/imported Black slaves be made to pay their fair share of reparations money to be given to Black slave descendants? ↗
Everyone on earth is the descendant of an enslaved person. That is how universal the practice was and in some countries to this day it still is.
The American Slavery Victims are not a special case.
No support at all. NOBODY ALIVE TODAY had anything to do with being a slave or owning slaves. Laws were put in place to outlaw slavery and for equal treatment under the law. There is no more compensation necessary.
How would they be "eligible"? Unless they were actual slaves I don't see how they qualify.
As there are no living slaves nor any living slave owners, no I would not.
If reparations are granted. Will that make everything better. No more talk of racism and white supremacy. All of that will just disappear?
We can all sit around the campfire and sing Kumbaya together and move on!
Yeah, and Native American Indians after that.
And who after Indians, and then who after the people after Indians, etc etc.
Which answer-option letter did you select in the poll?
Absolutely not. But worthless piece of shit leftists are the ones pushing this bullshit, not rational thinking people.
Here are their reparations.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-13729504.amp