Do men hate traditional women?

[Anonymous]

I'm more trad then modern; I'd like to couple up and have kids, I'm more on a submissive side as well which means I really enjoy making my partner happy (making food, massages, sex, looking good, etc.) and I honestly wouldn't complain at all if he was working and I was a housewife (I hate coorporate 9-5 jobs anyway). But I also wouldn't mind the other way around (me working, him a househusband) if needed be.

But it seems like the world has shifted to causal completely. I am getting laughed in my face when I mention my traiditional traits, both by men and women (I live in south Europe). They can't understand why I don't want to live with flatmates or have casual one night stands like everyone; to me home is a home, it's for family. Flatmates are not family, and becoming friends with flatmates is in my opinion the one way ticket to living a forever bachelor life and never settling down. My age group here still shares flats or lives with parents, more then half willingly. Men just run after casual girls, we trad ones are left behind and labeled as boring, lol.

[ObscuredBeyond]

Europe is a sewer of fools and reprobates, each voting for their own destruction in different ways. I'd love a traditional woman. But I'd prefer one that doesn't rush to judgment and isn't quick to be dismissive.

I've met a few that seemed like good catches, until they catch you creating a comic in which there's mild damage to someone's outfit, and then they outright accuse you of being literal Hugh Hefner, and act like you're gonna rape them, and go on preaching hellfire.

And then you're standing there like: "What... the... HELL, woman? It's a scratch on a jacket sleeve! Did you miss the part where her boyfriend got blown to bits a chapter earlier, when the villains detonated a bomb? And you're mad her jacket got a little messed up? I'm not even showing anything that could be considered nudity! By rights, she should be in a body cast, but isn't because of plot armor!"

And she continues reading the script at you, as if she didn't hear a word you said. Southern denomination NPCs exist, unfortunately.

And then they'll go and marry someone else, who will beat them and make them do various sexual things they aren't comfortable with, without regard for their feelings. And they'll feel that because they married the guy, they're now obligated to submit to everything, no matter how inappropriate, or no matter how much they feel violated.

But they still won't forgive you for showing a woman in a comic survive a fire with minimal damage to her clothing. Not even 20 years later.

THAT kind of "traditional," I have no use for.

Also of no use to me: girls that play like they're all trad when around family or ministers, and get all sorts of praise and recommendation; but that treat me like goose droppings on their shoe every chance they get, convince all the elders in the assembly to take their side no matter what, and then go behind everyone's back and act like a total thot anyway when no one they care about is looking, hoping they'll never get caught. Especially when they know that if I'm the one to bust them, those same elders will still take her side. It's only if one of these elders catches her in the act, that suddenly, the charge is valid. Because Heaven forbid I ever be right about something!

THAT is another kind of "trad" I have no use for.

Now, a practical yet kind woman, who's been through the ringer herself, and is slow to judge, but values family, wants kids, but has been screwed over multiple times, and is willing to give me a chance, even though she knows neither of us has a lot of money?

THAT kind of trad, I'll go for!

[Anonymous]

Men do not hate women in my opinion.

But men hate that women's sexuality seems to make some men into alphas. And some men into betas.

Obviously nobody wants to be the beta who gets no pussy.

But even the alpha males who get the girls are angry at women.

The reason the alpha is angry at women, is because to become the alpha you have to go through a lot of pain.

The pain you go though is triggered by the realization of female sexuality.

When a guy realizes that girls like him more when he is a bad person, that makes him angry.

When the guy realizes that it's the worst qualities that make women want sex the most, it is painful, even if he is on the receiving end of sex with women.

He sees it as unfair. All men see female sexuality as unfair.

Except left leaning people who believe that male and female sexuality are identical and only shaped by society.

They also deny that wome have abhorrent sexual taste in bad men.

Personally I don't know what the truth is. But I think this is the root of men's issue with women.

[Beccaasaar]

Men don't hate traditional women it's just that some men take advantage of that I get it in the US woman want one man to themselves I understand that and they make us think that one man will stay committed to us will love us and be with us and never cheat or talk to another woman or validate another woman but in reality some men use that, u can be a house wife, have kids, be a good mom, cook, clean, do things woman are suppose to do, be submissive but some woman wanna do that and want u to be fully committed to us we appreciate you protecting us, providing and everything but we want to be a wife in the morning and Be Submissive to you at night we won't want u to have a wife and a Side piece on the side we want to be both for that one person and u can't find that anymore both men and woman not just men. People just get bored of eachother that's what happens and it mentally and physically hurts us or even destroys us.

[FreyaRed]

Hypocrisy is a part of human nature and I'm sure there are men who would to love being with a trad woman together. However I'm sure it's not the type of boys who set their priority on hedonistic pursuit and high body count, those guys are interest in another type of girls.
Maybe you are just looking on the wrong end of the spectrum for potential partner.

[MzAsh]

There are a lot of men who want to live the bachelor life until they’re 45, then settle down with a trad wife. I’d recommend connecting with a marriage minded man at your age already. They do exist.

[OlderAndWiser]

I LOVE traditional women!

[normalice]

Pretty much everything is liked by someone. Sadly a lot of conservatives are wildly against having a traditional wife because they don't want to pay for someone else to live for free. But also conservatives don't want women to get respectable jobs because that's feminism or something. I'd say just avoid the mess altogether and try looking for dates somewhere conservatives aren't (which mostly means stating off the internet), but that will just make them worse if mass sex deprivation is added to all their other imagined grievances. It's not your job to raise them but I'm afraid no one else has so..

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

This freaking guy... 😂😂

[inhua]

no they don't. instinctively men love traditional women but thanks to feminist peer pressure, most men have been emasculated into accepting a degenerate lifestyle even at their own detriment. often forced to virtue signal in fear of being canceled

the feminist hive mind likes to promote a certain lifestyle and shun anyone else who doesn't partake in such

[jeffend888]

Thanks for saying exactly what I was going to say verbatim, now I don't have to type it all out.

[Pegases]

No, but I dont think a lot of men know how to be a traditional men. In this day and age, modern women are so popular, that traditional women are actually more sought after. That being said, Its actually healthy to value yourself so much that you're not willing to have sex with just anyone. The reality is, people that sleep around tend to do so because they are disconnected from themselves, and are running from something. The sex is merely a distraction for something deeper that they aren't willing to address. So take the men that aren't willing to make you a girlfriend or wife, as a good thing. Sometimes men stay away from women that they know they will hurt. I know I have in the past. Good luck and stick to your guns. The right man will come along, and you'll be happy you did.

[DaveJord]

NO, men do not hate traditional woman. And for those that do, hate them, its only because they are looking just for casual sex. So, rejection must be hard for them, I don't know?

Here is the thing though, there are woman out there that talk about traditional values. Now that's all fine and good, as long as you as a woman are providing the traditional respect and courtesies to the man. Some women, get the traditional values thing mixed up, where they tend to expect man to be afford the woman all the traditional courteousness of being a woman, but she does not provide the same to the man.

For example, if one wants to be a stay-at-home mom/dad, not work and care for the kids. Then the one that is working and earning the pay checks, usually get final say on finances. The one that is caring for the kids, usually gets final say on what goes on within the household at home.

[molonski2]

On reading , I think you are actually really forward thinking and very flexible in your thoughts , what you describe I guess is " modern day traditional " , yet you are prepared to work externally ( or not ) , I hated corporate too by the way , and you know my " shared house " days were okey I guess , I wouldn't have a clue where any of those people are , those " friendships " are not real , just convenience..

I think what you describe , many guys would utterly love , just run with your ideals and be true to yourself , I think its fantastic.

[John_Doesnt]

No, only simps hate traditional women because they can't afford to pay for dates. I love a traditional woman and have been traveling to different countries looking for a good wife. I don't want kids, but I do want a wife. I have a good job and think things should be actually equal in a relationship. If I make all the money and pay for everything it would be fair to expect my wife to do some cooking. I wouldn't make her clean because I already hire a maid for my house. But a home cooked meal is something special and I could totally use one after a hard day at work.

[Anonymous]

In the West? Quite honestly, most of us believe they only exist overseas or in the Baby Boomer generation. I know a LOT of guys, myself included, who believe this. Colleges, the media, feminists, politicians, celebrities, have all gone OUT OF THEIR WAY to shit on the "tradition women" values by hammering it into young women's heads that that's "oppressive" the last 15 years in particular, so in all honesty, most of us believe only the aforementioned 2 groups even have this mindset, because they were raised to.

[DextroShade]

Men love traditional women for relationships but there is a caveat:

You have to be consistently traditional as in you can't ride the cock carousel and get passed around by players but make the good guy wait for sex. If you want to make a man wait until marriage for sex you had better be a virgin or he will think "Chad didn't have to marry her to smash so why the hell should I?"

There are plenty of men who want a tradwife, probably the majority of men you just need to avoid leftist weirdos and find older, conservative men. The casual girls that guys are chasing are recreational use only.

[UnWokeDude_OrNot]

Traditional or modern, it does not matter. All I can say is, the woman must not be a boss babe if she is a modern woman. You know, those kinds of women who project the attitude of 'I need no man' with their body and some even say it out loud.

I see and hear about so many girls/women having a kind of attitude just because they work in some high-paying field. I am telling you, if you meet real high-calibre people in the industry, they care shit about the money you make. They really don't.

As for traditional women, the woman should have the capability of handling the house and that too without getting overly stressed. Because managing a house is like managing a company. The only difference is, you cannot be replaced in this company. Of course the husband plays some roles, and he ought to fulfill them as well.

[UnWokeDude_OrNot]

You are in fact among those women that are most sought after. Wait till those with you are in age, get a bit older. They will say excuses like 'I have had my part of the fun. Now it's time to settle.'

I mean, who would marry them? I would not for sure. The opinions on this one particular question will vary with each guy. Not all are the same.

[adidas0169]

For me I prefer more traditional type of woman. it worked for decades so why fix it. there were less problems with society as a whole kids were more well mannered and families lasted. its harder to have only 1 person in the house to work and the other taken care of the house kids etc bc everything is so damn expensive and keeps getting worse. on a side note did I end up with a more traditional type of woman no bc those type of women are hard to find and I wasn't looking high and low for 1. that doesn't change on my beliefs about it

[iseekpinetrees]

Real men who want to settle down want traditional women but it's tough given how expensive things are now a days and having only one income is tough. But it's still something men crave. They crave to be taken care of.

Other men who don't want to settle tend to feel better with having flings and not investing in a women.

[Deformate]

You stick to what you believe in. I find traditional women to be more desirable personally. Modern women tend to be more combative, more competitive and sometimes heavily wearing a sense of entitlement. Who wants to be fighting to excel at work and then come home to compete with the wife?

[serious]

Of course I don't like women who are outright traditional. Be it their dressing sense or their personality/thought process.

As for men in general it is subjective, some men like women who are traditional and some will totally dislike because they like women who are modern or ultra modern.

It is very subjective.

[stepyo99]

That's the modern culture for you. Most men are coomers.

I'll say though that living with your parents is just economic reality these days. Housing - both renting and ownership - is insanely expensive. Some have no choice but to live with their parents and others realize what an incredible money hole a property can be so they still live with their parents even if they can afford not to.

[Freedom_Enjoyer]

Unfortunately, with how the company is set up now, the vast majority of men can't support a family on their own. The financial burden is just too high relative to the average income. As far as I can tell, most men would prefer a constellation where they are the (only) breadwinners but it just isn't feasible, generally speaking.

Men tend to prefer traditional women who haven't been run through as opposed to community bicycles. I suggest that you stick to your values and don't get dragged into the "modern" way of casual relationships. As for the men and women laughing about your value system: "Who laughs last, laughs best"

[blueonblack22]

I don’t know what kind of men you are talking to. Maybe urban guys in their early 20s are like this. But most men I know from 30 and onwards desperately wish women were traditional nowadays.

It’s not about “control”. It’s about having a life that God intended for men and women.

[Wallythewalrus]

Most men probably like a balance. Except for liberals. I mean, they pretend to be all about "a woman's choice" however, that doesn't include being a housewife or even a mother. Hell, their new "traditional" woman has a dick between their legs and wants to join the WNBA! While they pretend to be champions of "women's rights", they stand by and watch men oppress them and actually cheer as it happens. Yeah, conservatives are really evil.

[veganrogue]

No. I guess it all really comes down to when a man wants, if ever, a much deeper emotional connection with a woman than just sex. I guess everybody has that age when they had their fill of all the crazy sex and exploration, and then you just want to share your life with someone you love. You sound perfect to me.