because falling would actually long term be the better option for the people who live there. ukrainians have suffered under corrupt regimes for decades and the russians aren't gonna be worse. maybe not better but not worse either. and the worst option for the ukrainian people is to continue this war, cause who loses is the average person living there, who'll sooner or later have to work at paying the bill. war equipment doesn't come for free.
I don't have a problem with the Ukrainians fighting to defend their country. What I do have a problem with is Biden and the other globalist scumbags who want to keep shoveling unlimited billions to Ukraine while Americans who are suffering get nothing. When Hawaii burned Biden offered the people who lost their homes $700 the same day he asked for another $24,000,000,000 for Ukraine.
The regular people are paying with their lives while their stupid governments disagree and play with people's lives. Nobody with any common decency wants war, just idiot politicians who try to justify it for whatever reason and use the media to brainwash people into accepting it. It's all bullshit.
You libs call everyone who disagrees with you a nazi and say that white lives don't matter. One minute later and you're cozy with actual nazis and claiming we should sacrifice everything for the white lives in Ukraine.
Because for decades Ukraine has been one of the most corrupt countries in Europe…a shithole. A place where leftist politicians and likely some on the right have seemingly funneled money through to fill their bank accounts.
War is never good, but the US has no place in this conflict other than, “Russian bad because they used to be communists and they have nukes! And Putin bad because elections and journalists disappearing”. None of that is our problem
I think provoking a superpower and then playing savior to Ukraine is NATO's mistake. The USA had the Cuban Missile Crisis back in the cold war thanks to Russia coming close to our borders.
A few thousand repetitions of "it's a special operation to neutralize the threat. Put away your weapons and no one will die." Does that sound like trying to beat it?
And don't forget, ukrainian high ranking officials commanded that all russian soldiers captured get castrated. It isn't just some citizen posting videos of Ukrainian soldiers abusing women and children.. the officials say it.
I have not seen russian officials command anything nearly as gruesome.
Look I understand your sympathy with people who are the real victims, but you are an outsider, you don't really know what's going on in there other than what you see on the internet and in the media which is easily manipulated to influence people, both sides are no angels, and I mean both governments, the Russian and the Ukrainian.
Did they help us when we needed it? Not that they need it. They started the war themselves.
Tell me, @astrophelle what does the average good person in Ukraine lose even if as hypothetically putin wanted to rename the land called Ukraine to be called Russia, or whatever else you think is supposed to happen. What would the average citizen lose in Ukraine? Say I live in Canada and one sudden day it just renames to be a part of GB. Most laws stay the same. It doesn't even impact my life.
@gorydetails If dead were your children and other countries started helping you would you say to them don't waste their money? You don't know how horrible death is and you only think about money because no person you love has died in your life. I don't want to be rude but your money isn't going to save you when you're going to hell for your selfishness and arrogance.
@astrophelle WOW. Did you just say people without children need to take the money of people who have children?
You said their babies died. So why do they need money now does money replace babies for you?
Besides, it's the soldiers that are killed for their own refusal to keep it peaceful and give a tiny city to Russia control, no one would be harmed, in fact the outcome with the least possible amount of harm starting 2022 would've happened by not making this war. Russia did not threaten to kill any families nor to make their life miserable in any way.
@gorydetails fucking crazy. Canada also sending BS loads to them. I know people who were sexually abused and disabled to not be able to work and earn, and they don't even receive one quarter of what you spend on Ukrops, sending them weapons so they can kill russians.
@Purrolator Money will ensure that no more babies die and it will cover cost of treatment of injured babies. Tbh yours is most stupit comment I've ever read on this question
@gorydetails It's not that big of a money jesus you talk like you lost millions.$900 is not even a quarter of your salary and they wants per household not per person so for $300-$400 it is not worth crying for a year
Baby, and I mean baby in the sense your mentality is so immature, you're like an exaggerated form of a child who plays hide and seek and wants her parent to play along even though the parent knows where you are hiding.
We know what's going on and your attempts to "win a conversation" is the only thing stupid here. You may be stressed out from malnutrition or whatever causes you to act like this, but we know that you're not interested in talking about the truth.
We've been accepting refugees. We've covered more than enough for their families to transport. The only reason any families stayed in Ukraine all these years is the Ukrainian government forced them to stay in the country.
Their government harms their own people. By sending g the money there, the cruel government is who receives it and harms the people even more.
@Purrolator Reddit, eating healty, emojis, a game of hide and seek, Ukrainian soulmate... Sister wtf are you talking about? Yeap gorydetails is very unsympathetic but has a clever and sarcastic style and he does it very well but you look like a patheticc who's just trying to be like him and pathetically can't sorry 🤦♀️
Like I said, you pretend to tall about something completely different.
It sounds like you don't know what sarcasm is. @gorydetails am I the only one who thinks she learned to have a conversation from a stupid and toxic forum like reddit is known for?
Your behavioir can be likened to a child wanting to play hide and seek with her parent. This is not an attempt to belittle you, it is how you objectively post on here. You pretend we don't know what's going on and expect us to go along pretending that we don't know. BUT, again, like a child, it's not that you have much control over it, you're like in a trance that you do it by default, as you have nothing else to say. This whole question page was written in the same autopilot trance, since you're entranced by the news outlets.
Inserting an emoji at the end of every sentence further process that your actual sentences have very little meaning to our real conversation here, they just help your imaginary distractions that you think we will magically start feeling ashamed from.
@astrophelle there's zero begging here. I'm just pointing out that you're full of shit. You're fine with me sending my $900, but keep your purse tightly clutched. You're a simpleton hypocrite.
@astrophelle you stated $900 wasn't a lot of money. Therefore it should be easy for you to give it away regardless. In fact even if you think Ukraine deserves it, write a check. I'm sure they'd take it. I'll wait for you to post the receipt.
@gorydetails wow such nonsense words that I never expected from you, for a moment I thought you were smart lmao well hats off on another question I don't have a penny to give you thanks for your opinion!
The Ukrainians are heroes, defending all of us. To me this is like World War II, where you have a smaller, weaker group of people defending themselves against a tyrant. The bravery Ukraine has shown the world is inspiring and uplifting.
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Unfortunately, Putin’s disinformation machine has had an effect on the political right. They’re carrying his water on Ukraine, NATO and other things.
I do not want Ukraine to fall I just want NATO to pay for the defense and not just the US.
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it's not ukraine it's zelensky taking united states money without it's citizens approval and biden has been money laundering through ukraine and ukraine has a lot of top secret biolabs and bioweapons stored in ukraine
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I support the people not their comedian state head of cabbage puppet and the BCS using the country for illegal dealings
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because falling would actually long term be the better option for the people who live there. ukrainians have suffered under corrupt regimes for decades and the russians aren't gonna be worse. maybe not better but not worse either. and the worst option for the ukrainian people is to continue this war, cause who loses is the average person living there, who'll sooner or later have to work at paying the bill. war equipment doesn't come for free.
It's because they're brainwashed have little empathy for human life or see just evil.
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I don't have a problem with the Ukrainians fighting to defend their country. What I do have a problem with is Biden and the other globalist scumbags who want to keep shoveling unlimited billions to Ukraine while Americans who are suffering get nothing. When Hawaii burned Biden offered the people who lost their homes $700 the same day he asked for another $24,000,000,000 for Ukraine.
The regular people are paying with their lives while their stupid governments disagree and play with people's lives. Nobody with any common decency wants war, just idiot politicians who try to justify it for whatever reason and use the media to brainwash people into accepting it. It's all bullshit.
Putin gives me dictator vibes, idc about the history, I just don't like the Russian government but to be fair i don't even like my own
You don't understand that humans are capable of being utter shitbags?
Well, you'd best learn that lesson soon.
Some folks would hate Ukraine and want her people to burn just because it would trigger you.
You libs call everyone who disagrees with you a nazi and say that white lives don't matter. One minute later and you're cozy with actual nazis and claiming we should sacrifice everything for the white lives in Ukraine.
You're not serious people.
Because for decades Ukraine has been one of the most corrupt countries in Europe…a shithole.
A place where leftist politicians and likely some on the right have seemingly funneled money through to fill their bank accounts.
War is never good, but the US has no place in this conflict other than, “Russian bad because they used to be communists and they have nukes! And Putin bad because elections and journalists disappearing”. None of that is our problem
Fuck Ukraine and this proxy war. Putin was provoked by NATO trying to post at his border.
Jesus christ how can you be a pro-putin that's same thing as devil worshiping!
I think provoking a superpower and then playing savior to Ukraine is NATO's mistake. The USA had the Cuban Missile Crisis back in the cold war thanks to Russia coming close to our borders.
They are not superpower they couldn't beat Ukraine for 1 year🙃.
A few thousand repetitions of "it's a special operation to neutralize the threat. Put away your weapons and no one will die."
Does that sound like trying to beat it?
And don't forget, ukrainian high ranking officials commanded that all russian soldiers captured get castrated. It isn't just some citizen posting videos of Ukrainian soldiers abusing women and children.. the officials say it.
I have not seen russian officials command anything nearly as gruesome.
@Cousin_Stacy Same nonsense again jesus please stop blaming the mistake of a few Nazi sympathizers on the entire nation😒
Russia is in the top 3 militaries in the world.. really?
Do you not remember America vs Vietnam?
Look I understand your sympathy with people who are the real victims, but you are an outsider, you don't really know what's going on in there other than what you see on the internet and in the media which is easily manipulated to influence people, both sides are no angels, and I mean both governments, the Russian and the Ukrainian.
They're welcome to stand up for themselves. They're not welcome to my tax dollars to do it.
they are already standing up for themselves and they need our help to survive. I don't understand why so much trouble for you to help them!
Why am I under obligation to take money out of my family’s bank account for it?
You lack empathy and you're a terrible person...
Did they help us when we needed it? Not that they need it. They started the war themselves.
Tell me, @astrophelle what does the average good person in Ukraine lose even if as hypothetically putin wanted to rename the land called Ukraine to be called Russia, or whatever else you think is supposed to happen. What would the average citizen lose in Ukraine? Say I live in Canada and one sudden day it just renames to be a part of GB. Most laws stay the same. It doesn't even impact my life.
@astrophelle your emotional blackmail has no affect on me. Let’s see if you have a convincing argument to entice me to open my wallet for Ukraine.
@gorydetails If dead were your children and other countries started helping you would you say to them don't waste their money? You don't know how horrible death is and you only think about money because no person you love has died in your life. I don't want to be rude but your money isn't going to save you when you're going to hell for your selfishness and arrogance.
@astrophelle ah, more emotional manipulation bullshit. Do you have anything else?
@gorydetails ofc, go fck yourself and do it while you're counting your money otherwise it won't be fun for you
@astrophelle thanks for confirming. You know who else has emotional outbursts? Toddlers.
I'm so happy I didn't stay calm about l all those babies died but I don't expect you to know what empathy is
@astrophelle and I don't expect you to provide a rational reason why I should spend $900 on Ukraine. I could spend $900 on my children.
$900 per month?
@astrophelle WOW. Did you just say people without children need to take the money of people who have children?
You said their babies died. So why do they need money now does money replace babies for you?
Besides, it's the soldiers that are killed for their own refusal to keep it peaceful and give a tiny city to Russia control, no one would be harmed, in fact the outcome with the least possible amount of harm starting 2022 would've happened by not making this war. Russia did not threaten to kill any families nor to make their life miserable in any way.
@astrophelle US per household spending on ukraine is $900.
@gorydetails fucking crazy. Canada also sending BS loads to them. I know people who were sexually abused and disabled to not be able to work and earn, and they don't even receive one quarter of what you spend on Ukrops, sending them weapons so they can kill russians.
@Cousin_Stacy that's absolutely right. How much do you send to Ukraine?
@Purrolator And that's every household. Even the poor ones. I'm sure they'd like to feed their children with that money.
@Purrolator Money will ensure that no more babies die and it will cover cost of treatment of injured babies. Tbh yours is most stupit comment I've ever read on this question
@gorydetails It's not that big of a money jesus you talk like you lost millions.$900 is not even a quarter of your salary and they wants per household not per person so for $300-$400 it is not worth crying for a year
Baby, and I mean baby in the sense your mentality is so immature, you're like an exaggerated form of a child who plays hide and seek and wants her parent to play along even though the parent knows where you are hiding.
We know what's going on and your attempts to "win a conversation" is the only thing stupid here. You may be stressed out from malnutrition or whatever causes you to act like this, but we know that you're not interested in talking about the truth.
I hope you find your Ukrainian soulmate soon.
We've been accepting refugees. We've covered more than enough for their families to transport. The only reason any families stayed in Ukraine all these years is the Ukrainian government forced them to stay in the country.
Their government harms their own people. By sending g the money there, the cruel government is who receives it and harms the people even more.
@Purrolator You can't handle a clever sarcastic tone I'm not trying to piss you off you really can't do what you're trying to do🤷♀️.
Nobody is trying anything except you. You act as if reddit taught you to lead conversations.
Again, the goal of this forum is not to earn arguements. And emojoes definitely don't assist with it 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
@Purrolator Reddit, eating healty, emojis, a game of hide and seek, Ukrainian soulmate... Sister wtf are you talking about? Yeap gorydetails is very unsympathetic but has a clever and sarcastic style and he does it very well but you look like a patheticc who's just trying to be like him and pathetically can't sorry 🤦♀️
And you continue on the same wheel.
Like I said, you pretend to tall about something completely different.
It sounds like you don't know what sarcasm is. @gorydetails am I the only one who thinks she learned to have a conversation from a stupid and toxic forum like reddit is known for?
Your behavioir can be likened to a child wanting to play hide and seek with her parent. This is not an attempt to belittle you, it is how you objectively post on here. You pretend we don't know what's going on and expect us to go along pretending that we don't know. BUT, again, like a child, it's not that you have much control over it, you're like in a trance that you do it by default, as you have nothing else to say. This whole question page was written in the same autopilot trance, since you're entranced by the news outlets.
Inserting an emoji at the end of every sentence further process that your actual sentences have very little meaning to our real conversation here, they just help your imaginary distractions that you think we will magically start feeling ashamed from.
@astrophelle ok. Send me $900, then.
@gorydetails 😹😹😹 ok I will when your next-door neighbor threatens to drop you a nuclear bomb
@astrophelle you said it's not a lot of money, you're awfully generous with my money. Do you think that makes you a good person?
Will I be a good person by sending $900 to a random person lmao If you're going to beg give better excuses please
@astrophelle there's zero begging here. I'm just pointing out that you're full of shit. You're fine with me sending my $900, but keep your purse tightly clutched. You're a simpleton hypocrite.
Financial support is provided to those who need help do you need help? Wow you start talking like a fool plus you’re begging lmao jesus...
@astrophelle what's so scary about a nuke? You're wiped out with no suffering.
@astrophelle you stated $900 wasn't a lot of money. Therefore it should be easy for you to give it away regardless. In fact even if you think Ukraine deserves it, write a check. I'm sure they'd take it. I'll wait for you to post the receipt.
@gorydetails wow such nonsense words that I never expected from you, for a moment I thought you were smart lmao well hats off on another question I don't have a penny to give you thanks for your opinion!
@astrophelle ok, so you're just a toddler. Got it.
@gorydetails that was visible since the beginning.
@astrophelle he said write the check to Ukraine, not to him.
Mental gymnastic of pro russian trolls is embarrassingly helpless. Russia rejuvenated NATO and helped massively to expand it.
The Ukrainians are heroes, defending all of us. To me this is like World War II, where you have a smaller, weaker group of people defending themselves against a tyrant. The bravery Ukraine has shown the world is inspiring and uplifting.
Unfortunately, Putin’s disinformation machine has had an effect on the political right. They’re carrying his water on Ukraine, NATO and other things.
They are just automatically opposed to anything that people they call "the liberals" are for.
I do not want Ukraine to fall I just want NATO to pay for the defense and not just the US.
it's not ukraine it's zelensky taking united states money without it's citizens approval and biden has been money laundering through ukraine and ukraine has a lot of top secret biolabs and bioweapons stored in ukraine
I support the people not their comedian state head of cabbage puppet and the BCS using the country for illegal dealings
My issue is why does the US have to pay for it?
It should be europeans footing the bill.
Even if they beat back Russia they still lose. They can't win, only remain sovereign.
I always avoid political and religious matter to discuss here