I'm extremely strong because I've had to be in life but that doesn't mean I'm not feminine. Whatever you mean by that. When you can't even define what feminine is and you think strong women aren't feminine and therefore don't like them... you have a real issue with intelligence and sexism. Also, why should I care what a man says all men like? Is this a method of male coercion?
Chico that... my new meme.
A strong woman is certianly different from what a strong man is.
Strength in this case means to properly understand and then utilize your givens and potentials.
Therefore, a gay man is not masculine. As he rather flees reality being a male, and tries to impose himself as a female. Has he properly understood his givens and potentials as a male? No!
He then is a weak man indeed.
Same goes for what you seem to call strong for a woman. Now a strong woman according to what I said, is a woman doing her best within her field/specialization/givens. Such as children upbringing, understanding a man's mentality to properly communicatie with her husband, have some background in nutrition maybe to feed her family in a healthy manner.. etc of what a woman is suited to in home jobs.
Or could also be in sections where women are actually needed, as in female nurses and doctors. Teachers for younger ages or only female institutions and classes. Where all of that existed in the past already.
In ancient wars, women treated the wounded or rode the horses and carriges that had those wounded. Also they could help in their own field that supports them. She would do planting and harvesting, but for herself and family.. not for the sake of work or factories or machines that just add to someone's company profit.
So woman will forever be strong, and even stronger than some men, the way they are supposed to be
So you are feminie as long as don't un-necessarily impose male characteristics upon yourself. You may have to act tough due to your situation sometimes, which can be understood for any person.
But to live the life the way a male does.. just shows how empty and ignorant you are.
Same goes for guys.
What's a "male characteristic" according to actual science? That's all I trust not some backward opinion of what women are or are good at.
So in other words, you can't answer a simple question.
I think that masculinity in reality is not real.
I think that masculinity is defined as all of those things which a human being must do in order to survive in this world.
For example he has pride in his own life. He works hard to achieve his values. He engages his rational mind to solve problems.
He works with other people socially. He leads or contributes. He reaps rewards for his efforts.
Everything that it is to "be a man" is basically about providing for a family.
But guess what? Women have to provide for families too. Women have to do everything that men have to do and honestly more.
Those men who label a "strong woman" as not feminine are just weak men who do not have the ability to efficasciously live their own life.
They lack wisdom. They lack work ethic. They lack self esteem. They lack the ability to properly engage their minds to achieve goals and values.
Those things are all labeled as masculine things. Those men fear that if a woman is capable, that she will not be sexually attracted to him.
Ultimately these men believe that women are only attracted to men who are 'better than them.
These men feel inferior to a strong woman because they fear to be rejected by her because in his logic, she is more of a man than he is, do therefore she won't want him because she will want a stronger man.
This hurts his feelings because he feels inferior to other men.
I could go on.
"Those things are all labeled as masculine things. Those men fear that if a woman is capable, that she will not be sexually attracted to him"
Holy smokes. Thank you. I didn't see it like this before but that really makes sense to me now!
speaking of lack wisdom, you don't know what is inside dictionary.
@strateguy632 Hi you jerk. Again, what is feminine. NAME one thing that is uniquely feminine. You can't because you don't have a functioning brain. I was nice to you too but now you will pay.
Most of the guys on this website are absolutely pathetic low IQ morons.
It is not indicative of all men. I hope that you ladies don't see the guys on this site and feel like all hope is lost.
The normal dudes just aren't on here. Or they are but in much smaller numbers compares to the hoards of red pill manosphere numb skulls.
Thanks for being the voice of the decent guy <3
I don't know if I'm decent. But I believe in a free society with free trade and individual rights.
This system of belief tells me and shows me that women are every bit as capable as men at living and surviving and striving for success in this world.
I want people to be free.
The red pill manosphere morons are merely moralist losers.
They believe the epitome of morality is submission to Christian religion and returning to a society where women only raise the children and men work.
They see freedom, capitalism/ free trade, and individual rights as fundamental evils.
Women should not be free, not because they don't deserve equal rights:
But because morality demands that women return to the home and society restructures itself to maximize "the family."
Thats why you see so many men on here spewing nonsense. They, like the socialists or communists, are fighting for their system of moral beliefs.
Don't be mad at them. Pity them.
Well, I believe in rights and freedoms too so that also means women's freedom to not have children and to work. Some women are better off not being mothers. I have a difficult time not being angry at them as they are destroying the world.
@findacure4wokeness looks like it does apply to you because you responded. It must have struck a nerve.
your pseudo knowledge about family is awfully wrong and stupid, i view myself as a masculine guy but i don't give a damn about providing and if anything i view providing as a feminine trait not a manly trait, to me masculinity is all about self-respect and having no ones shit, masculinity is about self-reliance, having a tough skin and needing no reason to be confident, it is not confidience if you need a reason to be, money? most stupid reason for being confident. providing? it is a feminine trait only a woman or a beta simp should have.
@findacure4wokeness I didn't put anyone down you are getting your feelings hurt because you lack reading comprehension skills.
Come see me in real life and we will see who the "real man" is.
Now I've directly insulted you. Congratulations dummy. You're brain dead. Dumb fuck. Get off my dick.
@aceleon providing for a family is like the traditional view of masculinity is what I meant by that.
But you have a point. You might say providing is feminine but I don't necessarily agree.
But it's true that as a man, you must submit to your responsibilities and in that way it is feminine. You submit to work hard for your kids and your wife for example.
In that way yih become a servant. But that's just life for anyone who wants to have a family.
Are you all retarded or something? I'm about to have to start blocking 85% of the men on here because you're literally so stupid you can't fucking READ.
You can't even comprehend a single word I say, evidence being your responses accusing me of saying shit I didn't say.
You're calling me a simp because you can't read. I'm not saying anything you THINK I'm saying.
Looks like all the low IQ idiots are infesting this site.
Strong women are for strong men, I've never seen a man with Big D*ck Energy turn down a strong woman. They are confident in their abilities and worth as men. They aren't deterred at all. If anything they see us as a fun challenge. They also are less likely to have ulterior motives. You don't pick the strongest person in the room if you're planning to attack them. You'll never hear them debate a woman's femininity.
Weak men need weak women in order to feel manly. It has nothing to do with us being feminine. If anything, we are too feminine for their unmanly, fragile little egos to handle. Their fear makes them feel like less of a man. Their definition of feminine is someone they aren't afraid of. We don't take sh*t, know our worth, can handle life without them, and won't be treated badly. Those men tend to be a nightmare to date for whoever they end up with. Controlling, insecure, abusive, etc. They know they aren't good enough for a woman who is confident, healthy, and secure enough to walk away.
At the end of the day, it has nothing to do with how feminine strong women are.
If a man is happy when another man fucks his woman then he is a cuck not a strong man.
"strong men do whatever they want."
But if he wants to be the only man of her woman then he is not strong?
I only asked a question and you exposed your bitterness again. No need to prove you have mental disorders.
@marish01 You live in a country with no strong women. The women must obey their husbands. You wouldn't know what strong people are like or what they would do, because you conform to the brain washing you were raised with and are too weak to change your lives much less the world. It's no wonder your country accomplishes little with female citizens who never think outside of the box... Sad. But, none of you are what strong men want. That's why women from that area are not seen as desirable to most of the world.
So, no one cares about your sad little rants about what everyone else has when you have nothing but your miserable self. Hence you always being on here trying to bully others to distract yourself from what you don't have and the little you do. As we've discussed before. None of your crying makes me less loved or happy, and it certainly hasn't made anyone love you. 🤡 💩
If you're loved and happy you wouldn't show your racism.
"It's no wonder your country accomplishes little with female citizens who never think outside of the box... Sad. But, none of you are what strong men want. That's why women from that area are not seen as desirable to most of the world."
This part tells me a lot about the hatred you have in your heart.
Show me stats where it says most non Americans prefer American women.
I knew you would show your wickedness. You want to think I'm sad because only in that way you convince yourself you are happy.
@marish01 What part of me stating facts = racism? Prove that people outside of Armenia desire Armenians?
www.telegraph.co.uk/.../...e-world-poll-finds.html
www.census.gov/.../cb13-157.html
Easy enough to prove how much foreigners love to marry Americans. While in a previous conversation I posted an article for you showing that Armenian men are rejected by most European women.
Find me anything showing that Armenians are popular anywhere. What have Armenians contributed to the world compared to other countries?
No one hates Armenians. No one actually cares about them. 😆 You're the one on this site constantly hating on everyone who doesn't believe your ridiculous dark ages views. So, by your own reasoning just now you are miserable and that's why you do it. Otherwise you wouldn't be hating on others, right? Oh the hypocrisy. 🤡 Such a weak bully to want to call others names but get angry when your flaws are pointed out and no one agrees with you. WEAK and alone over there. Thanks for making my point. No man wants to be your husband, we've already established how alone you are in a previous conversation. Even the men from your own country don't want you. 🤣🤣🤣
@marish01 You started this, you're abusive and now getting blocked.
@MyOwnMan2 Ha ha, she went and posted an entire question in response to this to prove Americans men are not desirable.
Is it true that most American men get no women? ↗
It's because a lot of men don't like women who can stand on there own because they like the thought of women having to rely 100 percent on men. It means that women then don't have choices. They like when women have to obey their every word.
These same guys also don't like the idea if independent strong women because they don't want women to have any power. They don't like feeling threatened and they don't want to give up any control whatsoever. They don't believe in equality and view women as being lesser than.
Not all men but more and more as women start becoming more successful and powerful in society.
Yes, they are threatened because they're useless. This is true.
Not all men obviously but the ones that view women as beneath them are useless and the world has passed them by because it's never going back, it's never going backwards to the shit 50s and 60s that they cherish so much.
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Men don’t define femininity. WE do. If you want strong and feminine, then embody that and own it. Disregard what anyone else thinks.
Society determines what's feminine. Men and women are both part of society. Therefore men do take part in defining what's feminine as much as women do. What you just said literally translates to "I don't care what men think", exposing yourself as a misandrist :)
Anyone can have an opinion on what they believe is feminine, but that’s not what I’m talking about. It’s women who are the ones who choose how they want to show up in their womanhood, and then, assuming they’re smart, they’ll only accept those in their inner circle who respect that. Those who don’t like the idea that women can be strong, powerful, dominant, leaders…bye. We don’t want them around. Women across the globe through history have successfully challenged traditional notions, embracing a wider range of expressions, and redefining femininity to include whatever they please.
@worldscolide honestly, I simply don't like your tone, you're blocked and I won't discuss you again.
@genericname85 I also don't like your tone and your accusations. Also blocked.
i don't understand what you mean by strong but i asume there is something about money and success here?
well to give you a better understanding about my view of masculinity, to me lions are the most masculine animals, they don't have to provide anything, it is females who provides even though most of the time he does nothing that he doesn't want to do, he is both absolutlly free to do whatever he wants and all of his responsibilities are being powerful, strong enough to fight other predators, strong enough to take no ones shiteven his females even though they are more crowded, having no fear or backing down, masculinity for me is about having your way with sacrificing the bare minimum, having confidence in yourself who doesn't rely on materialistic things like, money, statue, success or any other dumb shit, just being yourself should be enough reason to feel confident, your girl having more money? i don't see any reason to feel specifically insecure about that i can understand the envy, maybe sometimes kinda humiliating too if people treats you like a lesser but other than this i think if your relationship is solid girl making more money has the potential of being better than you making more money, instead of feeding them you can be the one who eats someone elses money, who says just because i am a man i have to be a willing servant? and for the people who will question what i am bringing the table, well i bring whatever housewives brings into the table only difference i don't the the chores but the things that needs muscle strenght plus i don't say i will be a househubby or something, i will still bring money but i don't give a damn about which of us brings more or the main breadwinner, i'm not doing the chores either, if you need muscle strenght call me anytime if not i'm just chilling in my couch. to be honest i'm not promising anything it is up to you if you take it or leave it fine by me everway. being the winner of the deal everytime, thisis what i call masculinity, not the old bullshit about providing for the house the house thing that is just slavery for me.
Strength needs to be complimentary to be attractive, if it is competitive or conflicting it repels; this is how I experience it. For instance, my mutual and I go to the gym every weekend: I train upper body, she trains lower body, and we mirror on core. She is strong in her will, perseverance and physical lower body strength. I am strong in confidence, assertiveness, and upper body strength.
Women performing masculine assertiveness, aggressiveness and gestures of strength are unattractive because these behaviours are instinctively seen as male competition (a threat), and not complimentary feminine behaviours that signify mutual value.
I think OP has been mislead to believe that Strength as an identifier only refers to Masculine Hard Strength and ignores the power and value of Feminine Soft Strength due to the recent notion that, to become equal to men one must become like men. This is a self erasing standpoint, as men instinctively see Masculine displays of strength as threats to their position within their own in-group hierarchy; and masculine threats must be out-competed or isolated via ostracisation (avoiding them). This is the instinctual psychology at play here, and you can't change these hardwired instincts - they are evolutionary for male survival and propagation.
I believe you answered your own question - "you (men) have a real issue with (your own) intelligence". Weak people will ALWAYS try to lift themselves up by knocking someone else down. What you're describing is the oldest practice of patriarchy since time began. You also got this right; "why should I care what a (ONE) man says all men like?" Of course, one man doesn't speak for ALL men, but take it further - "why should I care what any man says about my femininity?" You know what you are and that's all that matters.
I really don't care for myself, personally, but for other women that are manipulated by them.
The best you can do is help other people, or women specifically, be aware of these tactics. That's a good thing. :)
I'm trying, thanks!
This dude here said that in ancient wars women treated the wounded. Women FOUGHT and some of them fought BETTER than men!
Yaa Asantewaa led the war of her tribe against the British empire.
Joan of arc was a military leader and a savior of France.
Grace O'Malley was a pirate.
Their names need to be said and out loud. I could continue on a on. Every country has such females heroes. There are so many of them we don't even have the evidence of because men wanted them to be wiped out of the history.
Women were, are and will be whoever they want to be. That's what men are scared of. They're scared of women realizing their power.
"Women were, are and will be whoever they want to be. That's what men are scared of. They're scared of women realizing their power"
I'm very impressed that you know this.
1, clearly you care a lot, and wrote in emotional style too.
2, feminine is a real word, and has meaning like any other word. you "can't define feminine"? ipen a dictionary:
3, in addiction to "tradition typical" the fact is women compete separately, to give them a chance to win, because they are less physically strong. therefore the rare exception is OBJECTIVELY truly not feminine.
So what is uniquely feminine then across ALL cultures?
And all ages?
Hint: Nothing.
I get it completely. Life is different for males and females which gives each side its own set of pro’s and con’s. I can admire a woman who isn’t the normal when it pertains to her strength. The aggression is simply the trigger for the drawback. It provokes a battle every time it is present. As a man he has to come out on top for fear of losing the little value he has within the community in which is present at the time of conflict.
Which is why they go for the not so aggressive women for a more peaceful environment to lay their head at night.
Last but not least everything is solely how we showcase ourself to others. Pick the important ones that actually chooses to dig deeper.
lol...
Generalization again...
So what should we do? Sit and wait to be rescued? I think I wouldn't mind being damsel in distress. But life won't wait for men to react. So we have to do it by ourselves. And some of us even prefer it that way.
I think there is no general definition of "being feminine". I assume every man has its own.
No idea. I've never been put off by strong women. If a woman is strong, it doesn't take away her identity as a woman. They can still be feminine. And im pretty sure a man would want his daughter (s) to grow up to be strong women.
If you don't mind me asking, did you have a strong female figure in your early life?
Yes. Still do :)
Makes sense. Thanks for answering. :)
Welcome :)
I don't have a problem with actual strong women. The problem is so many women think to be "strong" you have to walk around with a chip on your shoulder and be hyper aggressive. I'm a strong man and I'm on of the most smiling MFs you'll run into because life is pretty f'ing awesome.
The truth is you want a weak woman to boss around, laugh at your unfunny jokes and forgive you when you mistreat her. Anything more is aggressive to you.
Aw that's cute. Clearly reading comprehension is limited by your echo chamber. That is literally nothing like what I said, and being as how a great many of the women I've dated are combat vets, I'd say they're far more aggressive than you are at your keyboard. Yet I had no problem with them, because, again, unlike you, they didn't have a chip on their shoulder.
You have no idea who I am. Absolutely no idea, you pathetic little weasel.
Strength is showing courage.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/oRjMmvgwX8kOne of my favorite scenes.
What definition of "strong" are you using? "Strong" is one of those words that gets sabotaged so much that it has effectively lost all meaning.
Unless you're muscular and can lift at least twice your own weight, you're probably not strong.
Mentally strong; I think for myself, make my own decisions, I'm not swayed by what is demanded of me, etc. etc.
To be strong in the modern day is to reject the mass cultural brainwashing that traditional feminine traits are for oppressed weak women.
So ironically, simply being genuinly feminine can show strength in that it goes against the grain.
It depends on how you define "sytrong". But regardless, in my experience it's not so much that being strong makes a woman unfeminine, but rather that unfeminine women eroneously think it is what they think of as strength that turns men off. It's not a woman's strength that makes her unfeminine, it's her personality and attitudes.
*strong
People who associate weakness/submission with women and strength/domination with men make those points
yes THAT is the meaning of the word as used in language, even if the woke bullied us to add vagueness to the definition. "traditionally considered".
Femininity does not mean weakness/submission and masculinity does not mean strength/domination. Neither of these words can be boiled down to simple definitions because neither are simple.
What is femininity? Princess Diana, Aphrodite, Cinderella. Grace, beauty, youth, sincerity, gentility, motherhood, modesty. Care and warmth. Pretty dresses, warm meals, high heels, abstract sculptures, flowers, soft fabrics.
If you think femininity can be simply boiled to submitting to men, that's a really rotten way of viewing women
Being attractive means being feminine and vice versa. Having power and being strong is extremely attractive but not if you're just useful tool for manipulators who tell you're strong as long you do what they want.
That's where you're mistaken. A strong woman isn't manipulated by love-bombing or compliments since she is already secure within. I certainly don't do whatever some idiot wants because he complimented me on being strong. lol
Not sure what you mean by strong woman, but strength is a masculine trait.
Oh I remember you, I didn't like you before and I certainly don't now either.
Men know what feminine is. If we are not terminally addicted to accessible vagina, we will find it. That's why so many women give it away so early. Deception for having nothing else to offer a man.
"terminally addicted to accessible vagina"
This is how you view women?
pathetic animals
Most men aren't like that. The few men that are like that have their perception of masculinity, femininity, strength, and weakness muddled because their upbringing was poor quality and conducive to mental illness.
or... we know English as a native tongue before the woke muddied and muddled words. open a paper dictionary. please!
I do. And I know for a fact that if you could have found a dictionary reference that backed your opinion that women are weak, you would have used it. But you couldn't and didn't. Maybe you on the dictionary you would know that strong isn't just about physical strength. Sorry I didn't mean to trigger you about your poor upbringing.
Some men have control issues. If they can't control, they feel weak and insecure.
I think there are too many different interpretations of ‘strong’. Is this muscular strong, strong personality, or maybe strong character?
They don't understand women because the 2 aren't related. You
Why do these women like to say that these weak men are not masculine?
Are you weak?
I agree with you. They’re jealous and sexist.
I think they're calling u manly not all women. Stop trying to include us in ur personal issues
Hi bitch. You're ugly. Blocked.
Because many of these "strong" women are just being insufferable while hiding behind the label as a Motte and Bailey tactic.
Many men like tough women. Ever heard of a dominatrix?
I agree with you, you are so right
Define femininity as what di you think it is?
What is being strong to you?
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