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I'm extremely strong because I've had to be in life but that doesn't mean I'm not feminine. Whatever you mean by that. When you can't even define what feminine is and you think strong women aren't feminine and therefore don't like them... you have a real issue with intelligence and sexism. Also, why should I care what a man says all men like? Is this a method of male coercion?
Chico that... my new meme.
A strong woman is certianly different from what a strong man is.
Strength in this case means to properly understand and then utilize your givens and potentials.
Therefore, a gay man is not masculine. As he rather flees reality being a male, and tries to impose himself as a female. Has he properly understood his givens and potentials as a male? No!
He then is a weak man indeed.
Same goes for what you seem to call strong for a woman. Now a strong woman according to what I said, is a woman doing her best within her field/specialization/givens. Such as children upbringing, understanding a man's mentality to properly communicatie with her husband, have some background in nutrition maybe to feed her family in a healthy manner.. etc of what a woman is suited to in home jobs.
Or could also be in sections where women are actually needed, as in female nurses and doctors. Teachers for younger ages or only female institutions and classes. Where all of that existed in the past already.
In ancient wars, women treated the wounded or rode the horses and carriges that had those wounded. Also they could help in their own field that supports them. She would do planting and harvesting, but for herself and family.. not for the sake of work or factories or machines that just add to someone's company profit.
So woman will forever be strong, and even stronger than some men, the way they are supposed to be
So you are feminie as long as don't un-necessarily impose male characteristics upon yourself. You may have to act tough due to your situation sometimes, which can be understood for any person.
But to live the life the way a male does.. just shows how empty and ignorant you are.
Same goes for guys.
I think that masculinity in reality is not real.
I think that masculinity is defined as all of those things which a human being must do in order to survive in this world.
For example he has pride in his own life. He works hard to achieve his values. He engages his rational mind to solve problems.
He works with other people socially. He leads or contributes. He reaps rewards for his efforts.
Everything that it is to "be a man" is basically about providing for a family.
But guess what? Women have to provide for families too. Women have to do everything that men have to do and honestly more.
Those men who label a "strong woman" as not feminine are just weak men who do not have the ability to efficasciously live their own life.
They lack wisdom. They lack work ethic. They lack self esteem. They lack the ability to properly engage their minds to achieve goals and values.
Those things are all labeled as masculine things. Those men fear that if a woman is capable, that she will not be sexually attracted to him.
Ultimately these men believe that women are only attracted to men who are 'better than them.
These men feel inferior to a strong woman because they fear to be rejected by her because in his logic, she is more of a man than he is, do therefore she won't want him because she will want a stronger man.
This hurts his feelings because he feels inferior to other men.
I could go on.
Strong women are for strong men, I've never seen a man with Big D*ck Energy turn down a strong woman. They are confident in their abilities and worth as men. They aren't deterred at all. If anything they see us as a fun challenge. They also are less likely to have ulterior motives. You don't pick the strongest person in the room if you're planning to attack them. You'll never hear them debate a woman's femininity.
Weak men need weak women in order to feel manly. It has nothing to do with us being feminine. If anything, we are too feminine for their unmanly, fragile little egos to handle. Their fear makes them feel like less of a man. Their definition of feminine is someone they aren't afraid of. We don't take sh*t, know our worth, can handle life without them, and won't be treated badly. Those men tend to be a nightmare to date for whoever they end up with. Controlling, insecure, abusive, etc. They know they aren't good enough for a woman who is confident, healthy, and secure enough to walk away.
At the end of the day, it has nothing to do with how feminine strong women are.
It's because a lot of men don't like women who can stand on there own because they like the thought of women having to rely 100 percent on men. It means that women then don't have choices. They like when women have to obey their every word.
These same guys also don't like the idea if independent strong women because they don't want women to have any power. They don't like feeling threatened and they don't want to give up any control whatsoever. They don't believe in equality and view women as being lesser than.
Not all men but more and more as women start becoming more successful and powerful in society.
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Men don’t define femininity. WE do. If you want strong and feminine, then embody that and own it. Disregard what anyone else thinks.
i don't understand what you mean by strong but i asume there is something about money and success here?
well to give you a better understanding about my view of masculinity, to me lions are the most masculine animals, they don't have to provide anything, it is females who provides even though most of the time he does nothing that he doesn't want to do, he is both absolutlly free to do whatever he wants and all of his responsibilities are being powerful, strong enough to fight other predators, strong enough to take no ones shiteven his females even though they are more crowded, having no fear or backing down, masculinity for me is about having your way with sacrificing the bare minimum, having confidence in yourself who doesn't rely on materialistic things like, money, statue, success or any other dumb shit, just being yourself should be enough reason to feel confident, your girl having more money? i don't see any reason to feel specifically insecure about that i can understand the envy, maybe sometimes kinda humiliating too if people treats you like a lesser but other than this i think if your relationship is solid girl making more money has the potential of being better than you making more money, instead of feeding them you can be the one who eats someone elses money, who says just because i am a man i have to be a willing servant? and for the people who will question what i am bringing the table, well i bring whatever housewives brings into the table only difference i don't the the chores but the things that needs muscle strenght plus i don't say i will be a househubby or something, i will still bring money but i don't give a damn about which of us brings more or the main breadwinner, i'm not doing the chores either, if you need muscle strenght call me anytime if not i'm just chilling in my couch. to be honest i'm not promising anything it is up to you if you take it or leave it fine by me everway. being the winner of the deal everytime, thisis what i call masculinity, not the old bullshit about providing for the house the house thing that is just slavery for me.
Strength needs to be complimentary to be attractive, if it is competitive or conflicting it repels; this is how I experience it. For instance, my mutual and I go to the gym every weekend: I train upper body, she trains lower body, and we mirror on core. She is strong in her will, perseverance and physical lower body strength. I am strong in confidence, assertiveness, and upper body strength.
Women performing masculine assertiveness, aggressiveness and gestures of strength are unattractive because these behaviours are instinctively seen as male competition (a threat), and not complimentary feminine behaviours that signify mutual value.
I think OP has been mislead to believe that Strength as an identifier only refers to Masculine Hard Strength and ignores the power and value of Feminine Soft Strength due to the recent notion that, to become equal to men one must become like men. This is a self erasing standpoint, as men instinctively see Masculine displays of strength as threats to their position within their own in-group hierarchy; and masculine threats must be out-competed or isolated via ostracisation (avoiding them). This is the instinctual psychology at play here, and you can't change these hardwired instincts - they are evolutionary for male survival and propagation.
I believe you answered your own question - "you (men) have a real issue with (your own) intelligence". Weak people will ALWAYS try to lift themselves up by knocking someone else down. What you're describing is the oldest practice of patriarchy since time began. You also got this right; "why should I care what a (ONE) man says all men like?" Of course, one man doesn't speak for ALL men, but take it further - "why should I care what any man says about my femininity?" You know what you are and that's all that matters.
This dude here said that in ancient wars women treated the wounded. Women FOUGHT and some of them fought BETTER than men!
Yaa Asantewaa led the war of her tribe against the British empire.
Joan of arc was a military leader and a savior of France.
Grace O'Malley was a pirate.
Their names need to be said and out loud. I could continue on a on. Every country has such females heroes. There are so many of them we don't even have the evidence of because men wanted them to be wiped out of the history.
Women were, are and will be whoever they want to be. That's what men are scared of. They're scared of women realizing their power.
1, clearly you care a lot, and wrote in emotional style too.
2, feminine is a real word, and has meaning like any other word. you "can't define feminine"? ipen a dictionary:
3, in addiction to "tradition typical" the fact is women compete separately, to give them a chance to win, because they are less physically strong. therefore the rare exception is OBJECTIVELY truly not feminine.
I get it completely. Life is different for males and females which gives each side its own set of pro’s and con’s. I can admire a woman who isn’t the normal when it pertains to her strength. The aggression is simply the trigger for the drawback. It provokes a battle every time it is present. As a man he has to come out on top for fear of losing the little value he has within the community in which is present at the time of conflict.
Which is why they go for the not so aggressive women for a more peaceful environment to lay their head at night.
Last but not least everything is solely how we showcase ourself to others. Pick the important ones that actually chooses to dig deeper.
lol...
Generalization again...
So what should we do? Sit and wait to be rescued? I think I wouldn't mind being damsel in distress. But life won't wait for men to react. So we have to do it by ourselves. And some of us even prefer it that way.
I think there is no general definition of "being feminine". I assume every man has its own.
No idea. I've never been put off by strong women. If a woman is strong, it doesn't take away her identity as a woman. They can still be feminine. And im pretty sure a man would want his daughter (s) to grow up to be strong women.
I don't have a problem with actual strong women. The problem is so many women think to be "strong" you have to walk around with a chip on your shoulder and be hyper aggressive. I'm a strong man and I'm on of the most smiling MFs you'll run into because life is pretty f'ing awesome.
Strength is showing courage.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/oRjMmvgwX8kWhat definition of "strong" are you using? "Strong" is one of those words that gets sabotaged so much that it has effectively lost all meaning.
Unless you're muscular and can lift at least twice your own weight, you're probably not strong.
It depends on how you define "sytrong". But regardless, in my experience it's not so much that being strong makes a woman unfeminine, but rather that unfeminine women eroneously think it is what they think of as strength that turns men off. It's not a woman's strength that makes her unfeminine, it's her personality and attitudes.
People who associate weakness/submission with women and strength/domination with men make those points
To be strong in the modern day is to reject the mass cultural brainwashing that traditional feminine traits are for oppressed weak women.
So ironically, simply being genuinly feminine can show strength in that it goes against the grain.
Being attractive means being feminine and vice versa. Having power and being strong is extremely attractive but not if you're just useful tool for manipulators who tell you're strong as long you do what they want.
Not sure what you mean by strong woman, but strength is a masculine trait.
Men know what feminine is. If we are not terminally addicted to accessible vagina, we will find it. That's why so many women give it away so early. Deception for having nothing else to offer a man.
Most men aren't like that. The few men that are like that have their perception of masculinity, femininity, strength, and weakness muddled because their upbringing was poor quality and conducive to mental illness.
I think there are too many different interpretations of ‘strong’. Is this muscular strong, strong personality, or maybe strong character?
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