Will President Biden be remembered as a good president?

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abc3643 · Accepted Answer

Actually, he will be.

In fact, he's rated rather highly by presidential historians already.

He's been a very good president but not charismatic. Washington was like that.

Various intelligent conservative sources agree that he is good too. For instance, conservative columnist David Brooks.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/07/opinion/economy-china-america-decline.html

The American Renaissance Is Already at Hand
Sept. 7, 2023

Two megatrends have shaped American life since the 1980s: the rise of China and the hollowing out of American industry.

China’s economic boom prompted a thousand predictions — that it will soon surpass us as an economic power, that the 21st century is going to be a Chinese century, that America is an aging, decadent nation destined for second place.

The hollowing out of American industry fed the sense that capitalism is betraying the middle class. America has a parasitic financial sector, but we don’t make things anymore. Manufacturing jobs got outsourced to China and Mexico, and wages stagnated.

These two trends contributed to the sense that America is in decline — to the angry, gloomy pall that has settled over political life.

But it’s beginning to look as if those two megatrends are reversing.

China looks not like a growing dynamic power but like a troubled, stagnating one. Growth rates are falling. The unemployment rate for those ages 16 to 24 in urban areas is at a demoralizing 21 percent. Private investment is sluggish. A forecast from Bloomberg Economics now projects that the size of the Chinese economy will not successfully surpass the size of the American economy — despite its vastly greater population.

The causes of China’s stagnation are myriad and deep: an overinvestment in real estate, the decline in foreign investment as the state become more menacing, the decline of exports, the demographic doom spiral. Since 2016, the number of births in China has fallen by nearly 50 percent.

But the core problems are endemic to the regime: Centralized authoritarian control is incompatible with a wide-open, innovative, free-flowing modern economy. Industrial policy may look good for a short time, but it ossifies. China now has a plethora of zombie corporations, which suck up subsidies without successfully competing in the marketplace. Open information flow is crucial to any nation; when the state suppresses information unflattering to the regime, then everything is bound to sink into mediocrity.

As the Chinese economy deflates, American industry is looking less hollow. America has had a net gain of 530,000 manufacturing jobs since January 2017. The manufacturing boom has been torrid of late. Since late 2021, investment in the construction of manufacturing facilities has more than doubled.

Much of that boom is happening in the Mountain West, the Upper Midwest and parts of the Southeast. Chips, electric vehicles, renewable energy sources and batteries are being manufactured in places like Michigan, Kentucky, Minnesota and Arizona.

Over the past few years, for example, scads of tech firms have decided to invest in manufacturing plants in formerly Rust Belt Ohio: Intel ($20 billion), Amazon ($7.8 billion), Google ($3.7 billion). According to a Hoover Institution study, Ohio in 2020 attracted almost 14 times as many new capital projects per capita as California.

In short, capital, construction and manufacturing are flowing back into many places that have taken their hits. Since 2011, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, wage growth has “accelerated more for high school graduates than for college graduates.”

What lessons are we to draw from these two ongoing turnarounds? The first is that there’s a lot of resilience and dynamism in America’s brand of broadly free market capitalism. As I’ve noted, in 1990 the European and American gross domestic products per capita were nearly neck and neck. Since then, America has surged ahead. American labor productivity increased by 67 percent between 1990 and 2022, compared with 55 percent in Europe and 51 percent in Japan.

In 2012 I heard a commencement speech by Dr. Atul Gawande that introduced me to the phrase “failure to rescue.” He reported on a study that found the best hospitals don’t necessarily prevent bad things from happening, but they’re really good at rescuing people when they have a complication to prevent failures from becoming catastrophes.

The American economy, especially in the Midwest, is kind of like that. Many of those places have experienced economic decline, but governments and people have shifted and adapted, and they are bouncing back.

The second lesson I draw is that Bidenomics is working — big time. President Biden promised to help America outcompete authoritarian China and to heal some of the economic divides at home. Both those goals are being achieved.

According to the Treasury Department, over 80 percent of the investment made through the Inflation Reduction Act is going to counties with college graduation rates lower than the national average. Nearly 90 percent of investments are being made in counties with below-average weekly wages.

I know many of you think Biden is too old, but I’d vote for a 100-year-old who could keep delivering results like that.

The third lesson I draw is that the right-wing populists are hopelessly outdated. Take, for example, the writer Sohrab Ahmari, who argues that “the state must also take a far more active role in coordinating economic activity for the good of the whole community.” But China’s industrial policy illustrates the classic downsides of excessive state interference. Even the vaunted German model, one of the great success stories of the 20th century, is showing its age. German manufacturing output and gross domestic product have been stagnant since 2018.

American politics is dysfunctional, and our social fabric is in tatters, but somehow our economy is among the strongest in the world. Our economic competitors stumble and fall; we stumble, and somehow bounce back.

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In other words, the people in red states and other MAGA types are the ones who are benefitting the most from Biden, but many of them are too stupid to recognize this.

Trump is bluster, but Biden is doing the job.

Popularity polls say one thing, but facts and objective analysis say the other which is why Biden is considered a good president while Trump is among the worst in history. For example:

American Presidents: Greatest and Worst

POSTED BY: SIENA COLLEGE RESEARCH INSTITUTE June 22, 2022

Siena’s 7th Presidential Expert Poll 1982 – 2022

Top Five, Rushmore Plus 1 Remain Unchanged; FDR, Lincoln, Washington, Teddy Roosevelt & Jefferson
Worst Five Again – Andrew Johnson, Buchanan, Trump, Harding & Pierce
Biden Enters Ranking 19th, LBJ Moves into Top Ten, Obama 11th, Ike firmly 6th, Ronald Reagan rated 18th Best President

https://scri.siena.edu/2022/06/22/american-presidents-greatest-and-worst/

Feb 19, 2024 -Politics & Policy
Read: Historians rank Trump as worst president

Presidential historians in a new survey rank President Biden as the 14th best president in U. S. history — and put former President Trump last.

The big picture: The tally came from 154 presidential specialists who are current and recent members of the American Political Science Association. They were asked to give every president a score, from 0 to 100.

Zoom in: Abraham Lincoln topped the list with an average score of 95, while Biden scored an average of 62.66. That put him two spots above Ronald Reagan.

Representatives for Trump, who averaged just under 11 points, did not immediately respond to Axios' request for comment.

https://www.axios.com/2024/02/19/presidents-survey-trump-ranks-last-biden-14th

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24434298-presidential_greatness_white_paper_2024

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BOTTOM LINE:

1. Trumpsters are deluded. THEY are the ones with Trump Derangement Syndrome.2. Biden is underappreciated. Because Biden is not good at defending himself from attacks by conservative media.

lightbulb27 · Accepted Answer

By the system that creates and edits the narrative, yes, he will be recorded well and his photo hung on the walls of schools like Obama. In the minds and hearts of many working people whom are financially being wiped otu out or physically destroyed, no.

I think what he did well was give well considered "measured" answers in a mumbling scripted delivery. He considered his options carefully before communicating the power of the USA... blowing our currency to bits and championing the slaughter of millions in endless wars. Never before have we invested so much, gotten so little. Maybe he will be the champion of reshoring some industry like semi conductors.

If he gets a few more years to solidify our fate, one might expect a major attack on a US city, a currency shock as the debt snowballs and inflation continues it's roar, bailouts of major cities and pensions, and major collision with China in the south seas to name a few of the exciting things to record in his legacy. Odds are best since Cuban missile crisis we will see the next "nuclear" event face humanity

It's sure to be interesting times. One thing is for sure, the wall at the border won't be built, but the wall around the White House will be well guarded.

jennifer_bloom · Accepted Answer

He is popular for being the main contender to Trump, not for being objectively powerful and smart. You don't need a smart president cause you can hire ten thousand Harvard graduates to manage the country for you. What you need is a moral president that won't purposely sabotage your country due to sadism or have mental health issues.

Daniela1982 · Accepted Answer

He will be remembered for his best performance as a classless clown.

MrOracle · Answer

Sleepy Joe isn't actually making any of the decisions himself - he's a mere sock-puppet for his cabinet, who are all Obama appointees. They are the ones actually "in charge" - and they're aggressively trying to destroy the country. Just the illegal immigration alone is already devastating to the US, not to mention the cost to taxpayers.

We've got multiple wars, an empty Strategic Oil Reserve, super high inflation that is destroying the value of everyone's money, increased crime, increased violence, Soros-funded district attorneys who refuse to prosecute criminals (which leads to crime escalating in both frequency and in levels of violence, because there are essentially no consequences), and many other huge issues that were directly created by the Biden admin.

Biden will be remembered as the Great Destroyer.

V_Injector · Answer

He won't be. Just being "not the other guy" doesn't make you good. ... and you give it 20 years where nobody really remembers why they were ramped up to vote against Trump, he's just going to look worse.

Biden should've kept the things Trump was doing right instead of just flipping the table on everything and fucking everything up in the process. He could've been an alright president if there was any effort in reality rather than this far left-wing ideology. We need moderate dems to come back and kick these progressives to the curb. Meanwhile, the rest of us are voting for the New York Democrat who changed to Republican... Trump.

The Overton window is a thing.

loveslongnails · Answer

I think he'll be middle of the pack in the end. He's done a number of very good things, but ignored a lot of opportunities to do better, and failed to call out some really bad shit. On the other hand, he's the first President since Lincoln to be involved in an election that pits the small remnants of whatever little Democracy we have left against the promise of a fascist, dystopian, authoritarian government led by a madman being propped up by the cowards within its party.

It's an unenviable position to be in, but he waited too long to make changes to rectify things like the SCOTUS. Now he has to worry about winning the election.

ProbablyClueless · Answer

He definitely won't be remembered well. The problem for Biden is that the person we're comparing him against has turned out to be impressively competent to a degree that it highlighted the incompetent shitshow that is American institutions.

Trump did everything he did while fighting the Media AND a bureaucracy that was actively sabotaging him. HE STILL GOT ALL THAT DONE. Biden doesn't have anywhere near the kind of resistance Trump did, and he's making a total hash of things.

A lot of liberals have tried really hard to deny it, but facts are facts; Trump is a friend of the average American. Biden isn't.

exitseven · Answer

No, he will be remembered as the worst president in US history. He has not done one single thing that made America better. He has ruined the lives of millions of Americans with his failed policies. Theer are thousands of small businesses that have disappeared because of the Covid lockdown he forced on the country. It is true that everything he touched turned to human excrement.

monorprise · Answer

Few president in American history have failed as badly as Joe Biden. He has created disasters in almost every area of his direct control from border policy, to monitory policy, to forign policy.

A lot of his choices are soo bad and disadvantageous to our country particular in forign policy you have to wonder if he was paid to take such a position.

purplepoppy · Answer

He feels more like a caretaker president than a real one. Some one there to calm things down after the chaos of Trump and help America get back the respect it lost.

The question is will Biden remember he was president?

Filthy_Immigrant · Answer

wtf, what kind of question is this?

normalice · Answer

By the numbers he is already in the top ten presidents. I guess it depends on if the far right manages to take over the world and rewrite the history books.

andreasderjuengere · Answer

I perceive him as a kind of ''Ford-type'' - a short time and inevitable replacement to cover up for the previous fuck-up.

Unfortunately, it appears that the next fuck-up is just about to happen... again :D

jentastic · Answer

Biden ran on bring this country together, instead he embraced the worse of the far left. This is why we see so much racism towards white people, Asians and antisemitism. Biden is willing to throw certain groups under the bus just for votes. I would argue he's the worst President because of that. That's a special kind of evil.

AviatorTom · Answer

Maybe some people will remember him. I wonder if Joe will remember anything about his Presidency. Sad.

avery58 · Answer

No. Although his dementia has been low-key hilarious and good for memes, he's not fit for presidency at all.

OfMiceandMen · Answer

I don't know, I don't recall hearing much about him during this presidency so nothing stands-out to make him memorable.

Still-alive · Answer

He'll be remembered as genocide joe for the most part. no the thing this era will likely be remembered most is how we almost surrendered our democracy to a wannabe dictator in Trump. Biden will be a minor footnote

DextroShade · Answer

He will remembered as the piece of shit who let the country get invaded, fought for mutilating children, and jailing his political opponents.

bobby_bush_eater · Answer

No. In 100 years he won't really be remembered but I think he'll be viewed like a Woodrow Wilson. More involved people will hate him but the majority won't even know who he is

AngryCarl · Answer

It's too soon to tell. Most Presidents are remembered for what happened while they were President, not their ability to read an autocue. If he wins a second term he might be remembered as the President who saved American democracy.

sage2021 · Answer

Why would you even need to ask this question? Where have you been the last 3-1/2 years?

strateguy632 · Answer

of course! because liberal media white washes bad drmocrats.

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