Will you take COVID19 more seriously now that President Trump has it?

[mistixs]

This poll is for people who live in the US.

I don't live in the US

I already took COVID19 seriously

I didn't take it seriously before, but now I will take it more seriously

I didn't take it seriously before and I won't take it more seriously now

I still believe COVID19 doesn't exist

[centerline]

who said trump has covid? wouldn't something like that be all over the news? i heard an aide was exposed to the corona virus, but I haven't heard that anyone close to trump has actually gotten sick from it...

and people should ask themselves, "what happened to the flu season this year?, no one has gotten the flu, but many have gotten corona virus?"... its pretty obvious to a lot of us...

corona virus is a real virus, and there are MANY strains of it, BUT none of them are any more dangerous to humans than the influenza virus is.

so, the "flu" is a virus, an influenza virus, that has symtoms so similar to a corona virus that its difficult to tell them apart... and as there are so many types of corona virus's floating around, that some one, some where always has the virus they are dealing with.
the seasonal "flu" is a serious thing in itself, but we dont worry too much about it, and the "stomach flu" is almost ALWAYS a corona virus that most of us get every few years... and live through...

its my opinion that the corona virus scare has been blown out of proportion, and is being used as a tactic to upset the economy during the election year... which, if one were to take all the actual facts, all the falsely reported cases, and the proven false statements made and and all the incidents surrounding the covid matter, and all the discrepancies in the reports, and laid them out for study, one would clearly see the truth of the matter..

[mistixs]

Plenty of people got the flu this year

And the "stomach flu" is norovirus which is very different from a coronavirus.

[talulahbee]

Like saying sars isn't more dangerous than the flu... And not it isn't an influenza virus. Just bcus the word virus is in it doesn't mean it's not more deadly. Brain cancer isn't the same as getting a harmless skin cancer removed. Less people are getting the flu because people are being much more hygienic and wearing masks in most cases. Also more people got the flu shot and we are all being told to keep a distance from each other, all of it slowing the spread of the flu.

Now we are eight months since it started to hit bad, the false cases and discrepancies have pretty much all been accounted for. The current news is very reliable. And most of the false reporting was done by one specific company. You can learn more about it here https://youtu.be/7leWXMr3ayk ps that Trump comment didn't age well...

[Oigit]

The ugly truth is that politics and the media does create sheeple. People that don't take it serious or real, belong in the same group of the people who do things like eat tide pods for their 15 min of fame. They are foolish and easily led.

I ca't be to frustrated about about it though. Because I'm running for office and working with both democrats and republicans to do so. I'm also in contact with all of the mainstream media outlets as well. Before you know it, I'll be in office and I'll be leading the free world.

I'm sure people will ignore the massive spike is death caused by people injecting large amounts cyanide and ricin. The massive spike that will come shortly after I use my position of power, political allies and the media to push combo as a cure for everything. Of course a lot of people that would come after me will already be dead. So no worries for me.

[rxm_bxl]

I'm not from the States, but then again as according to the Simpson, this may be your presidents last year in existence. With that in mind, death may have always been in the books for him this year, so no. I maintain the level of seriousness I have shown towards the pandemic as always. New infections are recorded everyday, Trump getting the virus just indicates that he may have not have taken the virus seriously enough as we all know from his words and movements.

[Yads_Is_Back]

Never did and never will

Him getting COVID doesn’t justify that they have asked my dad - a cardiologist, not even pulmo - to write off his patient deaths as due to COVID-19. Hell no, I’m not taking it seriously. I mean, explain that 😂 I never said it’s not real, but the numbers are not.

[Bluemax]

Are you serious? Has this been the case with your dad's colleagues?

My friend's son is a nurse aboard the USS Mercy. When it arrived in Los Angeles to alleviate local hospitals. Politicians posed for pics as it berthed. It was hailed as a savior. Yet my friend's son said it was virtually empty the entire time it was in L. A.

Media outlets didn't report this at all.

When it left, it did so quietly. No, "Thank you, Mercy! Job well done! And here's the stats on how many people were treated aboard!" No politicians posing as it departed and offering warm feelings for an imperative service done for the community.

Just silence.

[Vencam]

Did that happen before/during or after may?

[MrOracle]

Most people will get COVID sooner or later, and aside from those with serious existing conditions, only a tiny number will have serious complications. Per the CDC, over 11M people in the US have contracted COVID, with a total of 200,000 deaths - BUT nearly all of those 200,000 has serious existing conditions. The CDC reports that only 9000 people without major preexisting conditions have died from COVID, and that many in the 200K number had the COVID virus but didn't have COVID-related symptoms at all and succumbed to their other conditions.

That context doesn't fit the narrative that the media is pushing, though, so of course they bury it.

You may get it tomorrow, or in a year, but chances are you won't even know you have it and the symptoms will be mild. Unless you are a high risk already due to existing conditions, it's a pretty low danger.

[KaylaD24]

This is very true it really only effects people who are already seriously ill or have a shit immune system other than that to anyone who is super healthy and has no illnesses that could lead corona to kill them its basically no worse than a common cold really its been treated in the media like its some zombie virus or its the black death which indeed at the time did kill a lot of people who were healthy but yeah i think its stupid to push a narrative that going out means suicide which is how its being portrayed.

[Bluemax]

Quite right. Furthermore, a great many epidemiologists have said this. Yet it's barely reported. A great number of epidemiologists have said flattening the curve overall won't really reduce the number of deaths by much. It will spread them out so that they won't occur all at once and overwhelm hospitals. But this isn't reported much either. Also there was a rash of the population reporting flu-like symptoms in February and March, but this was largely unreported until COVID became widely accepted as a possible explanation for this.

RNA propagation studies of the virus indicate it's even more widespread than we thought. Indicating many more people had it but it mostly went unreported back in February and early March.

I believe you're right. Most of us have had it or they're going to get it. Most won't die, and most won't know they have it.

[Bluemax]

Yet I find I get accused of not taking the virus seriously for even mentioning this.

This in spite of the fact that I wear my mask without complaint. I do observe social distancing.

It's just given how frequently the media gets *so* many science and technical things wrong, I now routinely question when the media reports them. As we all should.

For the record, I don't even call it a media conspiracy. I like to call it media inertia.

Do you get accused of not taking COVID seriously for holding these views, Oracle?

[MrOracle]

@Bluemax Sure, but only by people who only read headlines or get soundbytes from the news and have no other information.

The news isn't making a mistake - they are overtly taking political sides and pushing a narrative - and most have openly admitted it, using Trump as a justification.

[WorkFFS]

90% pro athletes who have had it have had longer term health issues. Long Covid is a thing

[MrOracle]

@WorkFFS "Long-term"? We're 8 months in. Long-term generally means years, not weeks or months. Yes, a few may have long-term issues, but the vast majority will not, unless you're re-defining long-term to mean "beyond this week."

[WorkFFS]

Moron no kind of flu has longer effects past a week or two. And read what I said originally. 90% experience long term effects. Relative to a flu that is VERY long. Use your fucking brain

[Bluemax]

@WorkFFS
"Moron no kind of flu has longer effects past a week or two"
There are long term effects from various strains of flu. Some can last a lifetime. Vision and hearing loss as the result of prolonged high fevers. Increased risk of stroke and heart attacks. Increased risk of meningitis. Cerebral palsy. And of course death. An eternal effect. In the Spanish flu of 1919, all kinds of long term effects developed as a result.

Where did you come by the 90% figure? I googled the topic and could find no article that cites any percentage. Most of the articles I found were about how it *could* have long term damaging effects on their careers as athletes. The articles were careful to emphasize the "could." As to the exact extent of the damage, no article I found gave any concrete information about that. Only speculations about the *possible* long term effects.

And there's problems with using this 90% of athletes, as there are indeed problems with using patients who tested positive. It's actually incorrect to say 90% of athletes who tested positive have long term health problems. This *only* includes people who were sick enough to seek medical attention. Most people who get it don't seek medical attention, indeed doctors and hospitals are advising them *not* to unless symptoms become life threatening. No, 90% of all athletes don't suffer from long term effects. 90% of athletes WHO WERE TESTED have MIGHT suffer from long term effects (at least "might" according to the articles I looked at). This says nothing about the athletes who got it and just dismissed it as flu and never got tested.

[Bluemax]

Besides, are the professional athletes in the world a large enough sample size anyways? Probably not. What percentage of the population do they even account for? .0001% (and that's probably generous)? Far too small a sample size for the general population at large. And athletes are *very* exceptional people with *very* exceptional demands on their bodies, the likes of which almost no one in everyday life are likely to experience. *Of course* it's going to effect their careers and lives far more than it will effect the career and life of Joe Average.

[Bluemax]

I'll stick with RNA studies, which *do* account for those who never even went to the doctor, which have been collected from all over the world, and which include every socio economic background, and people of all physiques and levels of health.

[Bluemax]

I also just googled "long term effects of COVID"

The CDC article gave no percentages, no x number of patients out of those reporting have these effects, or anything like it. It talks about risks. No hard numbers, nor does it compare it to other diseases.

Mayo clinic. Same thing. Lists possible effects (emphasis on possible) with no percentages at all.

The WHO actually provides a percentage. Far less than 90%. It says "Among those 18 to 34 years in good health, 20% (1 in 5) reported that some symptoms were prolonged." It doesn't say what percentage of those interviewed had severe COVID (which is somewhere between 15-20% become seriously or critically ill. Nor does this account for people who had COVID and never saw a doctor. Most of those symptoms were fatigue and cough. I've experienced fatigue for about a month when I had the flu. And fatigue and cough have lasted about 6 months when I had bronchitis.

[Bluemax]

I also just googled "what percentage of COVID cases have long term effects" and got back the same thing. Mile after mile of articles reported what the effects are, only one that I read (and I can't possibly read them all... I usually just read the first five) actually gave a percentage about crystalization on the lungs, but it was a percentage number of those who have been hospitalized, meaning they had serious or critical cases.

[Bluemax]

Sorry, I wrote, " It's actually incorrect to say 90% of athletes who tested positive have long term health problems."

I meant to say it's actually *only* correct to say 90% of athletes *who tested positive* have long term health problems.

[DannyUk2017]

He didn't had SHIT, same as Uk PM didn't had... they force you to stay in Self Isolation for 14days and they come out, shaking hands and handing over cups of tea/coffee after 4-5 Days? Really belive in that Shit, as someone was saying... Today is Just a Virus... tomorrow will be just a Vaccine, aparently will be available in Uk from 2021... So Who said that "vaccine" chipping will be done was right, they Were right! ONE WORLD RULER! Clap but not for NHS fo Bill Gates!!!👏👏👏🖕🖕🖕, they wanted to see how THEY CAN CONTROL THE WORLD, and they did it! They Fucked Up Everything! So yeah... all these little "covid" on the Big Men around the world... is Just 4 the Show! I wouldve Sniped them one... by one...😈😈😈😁😁😁

[Barbaric]

The lefties all thought he was gonna die of it because they've been fooled into thinking it's deadlier than it is. Talking about how he and the people who don't take it seriously "deserve to get it" as if it's some kind of terrible punishment.

He's out of the hospital now and he's fine, as was bound to happen because for most people apart from those with severe health issues it's just like having a cold or the common flu (which impacts the same people in the same way). You're all stupid.

[red324]

Who goes to the hospital cause of the flu? Or is it just cause he's the President?

[Anonymous]

I bet he's had a cold at one point to. Sicknesses come and go, I've had it it isn't that big of a deal. If sick people weren't sent to Nursing homes, and flu and pneumonia wasn't added to the tally, we would be talking 60,000 - 80,000 people. Every life matters, but irresponsibility of the continued lockdown is much more responsible. The sick people would never have been allowed to be sent to nursing homes if there wasn't a lockdown. By May we had the data and a lockdown was no longer necessary, but Democrats said otherwise.

[MrMilti]

I took it seriously back then, but since the statistics have been updated, not so much anymore.

Dont get me wrong, I still do social distancing and wear a facemask, but I think, the lockdown was completely overrated. Also, I am totally pissed, that we have to celebrate our upcoming marriage with only 10 people in total. So its just my wife, our parents and me...

[veral]

Yeah, it's very important be wearing your facemask, cuz covid-19, Is real

[Vencam]

What statistics are you referring to? (I don't live in the US, so I'm not that up to date on the situation over there)

[MrMilti]

@Vencam: At the beginning, they said that 4-6% of infected would die.
Recently, this number has been corrected to 0.1%.

And it turned out, that only 6% of the covid-deaths actually were deaths, that resulted from covid alone. All the others were complications that resulted from prior conditions.

Yes, Covid-19 is real. Yes, it can be lethal. Yes, it is very infectious.
But it is not worse than the regular influenza and I am not terrified of that either.

[mistixs]

"All the others were complications that resulted from prior conditions."
That's not true. what that CDC data ACTUALLY said was that 94% of people had at least 1 comorbid cause of death. The most popular comorbid cause of death was pneumonia, which is a result of COVID19. They wouldn't have died if they hadn't had COVID19

[Vencam]

@MrMilti I believe mistix makes a good point here. Although I agree with you that in some cases the news have been exaggerated and too often used for politics, the data on that are pretty clear: in less then one year, more people died from covid then in from flu in any of the past year. For reference, I'm talking nearly 2 times the number and that is not even in its first year.
As a comparison, less people die by the flue then for road accidents, yet the covid deaths so far are already closing in on the yearly deaths on the road (about 80% so far)

[mistixs]

@Vencam also, when flu deaths are counted in the same way as COVID deaths, there are less than 16,000 flu deaths during a BAD flu season. blogs.scientificamerican.com/.../

The CDC isn't even lying; it explicitly says that the "60,000+" numbers are *estimates* that it gets from multiplying the actual number of reported deaths by 6. There's no multiplying when it comes to COVID deaths.

[Vencam]

@mistixs I purposefully avoided getting into how the stats are calculated as that's a whole other Pandora's box (especially with the US situation) and doesn't really change the point in this case
Thanks for the info, though, the more you know...

[WindAtMyBack]

It makes no difference whatsoever.

None of those choices are appropriate. It's not about taking the virus seriously or not. It's about what the proper response should be. What people are failing to take seriously is just how much the response to the virus is screwing everything up really really badly.

[Lliam]

How do we know that Trump has it? There no test for Covid-19.
The following article goes into detail and cites data and sources.

https://www.redstate.com/michael_thau/2020/09/03/ny-times-up-to-90-of-people-who-tested-positive-for-c19-not-infected-truth-a-whole-lot-worse-pt-3/

[goaded]

First, I thought: "Red State? It's bound to be rubbish."
Then, I thought: "No, even a stopped clock..."
Then, I read: "[EDITOR’S NOTE: After review, we are retracting this article. In light of an interpretation of this New York Times article by Health Feedback, the article has been ruled as false/misleading. We regret the convenience to our readers.]"
lmao!

www.redstate.com/.../

I'm sure you'll be re-visiting every place you've posted that link to explain the misunderstanding, right?

[Lliam]

@goaded, I wonder what part is ruled by "fact checkers" as false/misleading. I've read dozens of articles by leading global experts in the field who say the same thing as the article.

[goaded]

You know what I would have done, in your shoes? First, I'd have clicked the link, to make sure the editor's note wasn't made up, then I'd have clicked the link in the editor's note to see the fact checker's response. Then, I'd have apologised for wasting everybody's time, or come up with a logical refutation of the fact checker. But that's the difference between people who care about the truth, and those who don't.

You just doubled-down on the misinformation. Here's the fact check:

healthfeedback.org/.../

[goaded]

I'll quote the summary: "CLAIM: COVID-19 case numbers are inflated due to PCR test sensitivity; “90% of positive COVID-19 tests should be negative”
VERDICT [Flawed reasoning]

SOURCE: Liz Wheeler, Steve Deace, One America News Network, The Blaze, 2 Sep. 2020
DETAILS
Incorrect: Regardless of whether a person tested positive with a high or low viral load, a positive test indicates that the person is or has been infected with the virus, which qualifies them as a COVID-19 case. The high number of COVID-19 cases reported in the U. S. is due to a large number of infected people, not the PCR test's sensitivity.
Unsupported: The New York Times report did not provide any information regarding the frequency of symptoms among the people whose COVID-19 test results were examined. This makes it impossible to infer any association between the presence of symptoms and Ct values, which some videos and articles attempt to do.
KEY TAKE AWAY
It is important to distinguish between a person who has been infected and a person who is contagious. PCR tests with a high level of sensitivity can produce a positive result even though a person only harbors trace amounts of virus or even dead virus, like in recovering patients. Hence a positive test result without information about viral load is not of practical value in determining if an infected person should self-isolate and whether their contacts should be traced. Although a positive test may not tell us whether the person is contagious, it can confirm whether the person is infected. It is therefore appropriate to count a person with a positive result as a COVID-19 case."

[Lliam]

@goaded. I read the "fact check" originally. It contains no scientific information about whether or not the tests can detect C-19 specifically.
Also, The website of Health Feedback is a member of the WHO-led project Vaccine. The WHO is not credible. At this point, it takes its directions from Bill Gates and has a pro-vaccine (for profit) agenda.

[Lliam]

A lot of people are surprised when they hear that doctors and scientists are speaking out about Covid.
In case you’re in any kind of doubt, here’s a partial list of some professionals, (Doctors and Scientists) who have questioned The Official Narrative. I would recommend looking up any of these on their own websites, or brand new tube.
▪︎Dr. Rashid Buttar
▪︎Dr. Andrew Kaufman
▪︎Dr. Annie Bukacek
▪︎Dr. Thoman Cowan
▪︎Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai
▪︎Dr. James Hidrith
▪︎Dr. Bruce Lipton
▪︎Dr. Robert Young
▪︎Dr. Judy Mikovits
▪︎Prof. Dolores Cahill
▪︎Dr. Ericson
▪︎Dr. Ivette Lozano
▪︎Professor Knut Wittkowski
▪︎Dr. Sherri Tenpenny
▪︎Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi
▪︎Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg
▪︎Dr. Joel Kettner
▪︎Dr. John Loannidis
▪︎Dr. Yoram
▪︎Dr Pietro Vernazza
▪︎Frank Ulrich Mongomery
▪︎Prof. Hendrik Streeck
▪︎Dr. Yanis Roussel
▪︎Dr. David Katz
▪︎Dr. Michael Osterholm
▪︎Dr. Peter Goetzsche
▪︎Dr. Sunetra Gupta
▪︎Dr. Karin Molling
▪︎Dr. Anders Tegnell
▪︎Dr. Pablo Goldscmidt
▪︎Dr. Eran Bendavid
▪︎Dr. Jay Bhattacharya
▪︎Dr. Tom Jefferson
▪︎Dr. Michael Levitt
▪︎Dr. Richard Schabas
▪︎Kate Shemirani
▪︎Julian Rose
▪︎Barbara ONeil
▪︎Prof. Yavid Finkelstein
▪︎Dr. Murcato Ravindrefed
▪︎Prof. Graham Axlerod
▪︎Prof. Jennifer Hintze
▪︎Dr. Andreas Grundhaven
▪︎Dr. Merton Yipple
▪︎Prof. Swami Bhakhavavadvad
▪︎Dr. Barton Berstaffler
▪︎Prof. Qiong Hong-Lamin
°U. S. Senator Dr. Scott Jensen
°Dr. Stella Immanuel
°Mark Devlin
°Dr. Vernon Coleman
°Dr. Muhammad Igbal Adil
°Dr. Kelly Victory
°Francis Abraham
°Dr. Fidel Fernandez
°Edwin A. Burn
°Homer Lim
°Dr. Edwin Bien
Dr. Judy Mikovits
Dr. Zack Bush
The American Frontline Doctors
Their views are being banned, deleted and blocked on social media!
(Thanks to Aiden Crewe for this.)"

[Lliam]

There are piles of information that the mainstream media and big pharma don't want people to consider. It's good to look at "the science" ... all of it, no just the science that supports the official narrative.

[goaded]

And they're all epidemiologists, are they? ("The branch of science dealing with the spread and control of diseases, viruses, concepts etc. throughout populations or systems.")

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuMJfqaYRPY

[Lliam]

@goaded, Ah, now I see what kind of deep research you do. Thank you for that scientific data from the imminent Paul Rudd. Even better than Fact Checker or even Snopes.

[goaded]

I look at actual science and what actual scientists (in their areas of expertise) have to say. Not people like this. (By the way, why don't you look at how New York, and New Jersey are doing today? Or almost any country in Europe where they're taking reasonable precautions.)

︎Dr. Rashid Buttar " is an American conspiracy theorist, anti-vaccine proponent, and an osteopathic physician from Charlotte, North Carolina.[1] He is known for his controversial use of chelation therapy for numerous conditions, including autism and cancer.[2] He has twice been reprimanded by the North Carolina Board of Medical Examiners for unprofessional conduct[3][4] and cited by the U. S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for illegal marketing of unapproved and adulterated drugs.[5][6][7]"

︎Dr. Andrew Kaufman "Disclaimer: The information provided on this site is for informational purposes only and is not intended as a substitute for advice from your physician or other healthcare professional." https://www.andrewkaufmanmd.com/

︎Dr. Annie Bukacek "a local physician and outspoken critic of vaccinations."

︎Dr. Thoman Cowan "an American doctor who is on disciplinary probation claims that the coronavirus pandemic was caused by 5G technology."

[Lliam]

@goaded, wow, you got information from Wikipedia! That's some deep stuff, man. Big pharma works overtime trying to discredit those whose data and research conflicts with the official narrative. And if they can't discredit them, they simply block, ban or censor them from being heard, because, as I said, billions if not trillions of $ are at stake. When such totalitarian tactics are employed to keep information from the public, it means that someone powerful is threatened by that information and has a lot to lose if the public gets wise.
See, the thing is, it's not just a few "conspiracy theorists" spreading "fake news" that counters the official narrative, it's hundreds and hundreds of the top researchers in their fields.

Yeah, I see how well places like New York and New Jersey are doing today. They're disasters. Compare states and even countries who had strict lock downs versus very moderate guidelines and you'll find little difference in the numbers of covid deaths. You WILL find incredible human misery in places that have strict lock downs. Many times more lives are being wiped out by "emergency measures" than by this SARS-covie2 epidemic.

But don't do any research. Keep believing what the TV says and actively ignoring information that the Bill Gates and big pharma propaganda machine tells you is fake. Don't look behind the curtain. DON'T LOOK BEHIND THE CURTAIN!"

[goaded]

That's your takeaway? Wikipedia bad? I suppose that means that Buttar wasn't "cited by the U. S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for illegal marketing of unapproved and adulterated drugs"

What they're peddling is not science, and it's not information. If their work is valid, they can perform proper scientific tests to prove it. They don't. Ask yourself why not. Vaccines work. Masks work. Lockdowns work. If you can be bothered to look at the figures, it's obvious.

Look, there are things wrong with Big Pharma; they over-charge, they over-market their products and they use a lot of dodgy techniques to maintain their profit margins, but they also produce products that have been scientifically proven to work. If you want to know about those things, you could read Ben Goldacre's books Bad Science and Bad Pharma; his criticisms are based on facts.

By the way, was I supposed to be impressed by the "long" list of doctors? There are something like a million doctors in the US, finding the 1 in 10,000 that are grifters isn't that impressive.

New York and New Jersey are not "disasters" (they were, but they're not now), and it's certainly not true that "Many times more lives are being wiped out by "emergency measures" than by this SARS-covie2 epidemic". Compared with previous years, America has had 273,000 more deaths than usual this year, as of August 22. Most of them have been from the pandemic.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v8rAfizo-0

[Lliam]

@goaded , I wonder what "trusted" news sources Trebec was referring to. LOL. The same sources that manufacture consensus by reading the same scripts and acting like "the science" is settled by black balling any information that doesn't support the desired narrative? The same echo chamber that repeats the same exact narrative as the government about foreign affairs?

Whatever, dude. Don't do research. I don't care. I just think it's funny that people who know the least are the most certain of their beliefs. It's like a geologist talking to a Creationist about the age of the planet. Pointless.

Have a nice day.

[goaded]

What would it look like if most news sites were telling you the truth? Wouldn't they all be telling you the same thing then, as well? How can you tell the difference?

"I just think it's funny that people who know the least are the most certain of their beliefs. It's like a geologist talking to a Creationist about the age of the planet. Pointless."
Well, yes.

[Not_Average]

I’m still not at risk. I wear a mask and respect others, but will continue to socialize with others who are also not at risk. If me girl and I want to dine in at a restaurant and get some drinks, we will. Not living my life in a basement because Fauci says so. Life is too short. I was on board with the isolation for the first month, but this is completely irrational and ridiculous.

[Massageman]

As a Massage Therapist, sanitation and the use of "universal precautions" has been banged into my head since "day one". Other than adding a mask, not much changes for me.

I always add bleach to my linens, even if they say NOT to use it- the sheets usually get donated after about 15-20 uses anyway. I disinfect with quat, phenols and alcohols. I switch varieties so the little bugs don't get to used to any particular sanitizer.

[veral]

Alright, which ones is good to used

[Massageman]

@veral 70%+ alcohol (preferable isopropyl), quaternary ammoniums ("quat") and phenols will ALL get the job done. Your choice may depend on which you can even FIND in your area.

At the beginning of the COVID jazz when all the usual stuff (Lysol, alcohol, wipes, etc) had been snatched up, we went to GFS (a restaurant supply store) and bought a gallon of quat concentrate for about $23. This will make up to 128 QUARTS of restaurant/hospital grade disinfectant for about 18 cents per quart!! We just bought a couple of sprayers at a dollar store and we were fine.

It's very versatile. A friend asked if we had any extra wipes. I told them no, but that I could make some and bring them right over. I cut a stack of paper towels into fourths, put them in a washed plastic food container with a lid, poured in about 6-7 ounces of our diluted quat concentrate, gently shook it a bit, and they were ready in about two minutes.

In my massage studio, I will usually use my phenol spray or a lemon-scented quat/alcohol product, just to have a more pleasant scent, but they all will work. Alcohol would be preferred for just your hands- just be sure to use lotion once in awhile to fight the drying effects of the alcohol. I hope this helps.

[talulahbee]

I always took it seriously. All of Australia does. We took the politics out of it, listened to the scientists, did everything we could for the benefit of society and not our individual self. That's why here in my state of over 8 million people we have been having most days with ZERO new covid cases and a total of 53 deaths since January.

[EyesOfGod]

In America people are so retarded they drank bleach thinking it would stop them from getting infected. Do you think those people actually know want a scientist even is?

[dammmson25]

97% of our deaths were old people

[Anonymous]

I'm not taking seriously that Trump has it, though. I'd like to hear from people who did actually have it. I think their experiences may be different than Trump's "experiences".
But if Trump is doing well, he can answer questions about the white supremicist group Proud Boys and Trump's taxes.

[Not_Average]

Proud boys aren’t white supremacist. One of their top leaders are black. They have a ton of minorities. On their website, they said they don’t care what race you are. As long as you love our country. They even have some democrats. Their words. Their actions.

Trump has also condemned white supremacy maybe 20 times in his past. He did at the debate as well. Twice.

Trumps taxes were completely legal. Learn how taxation works.

[normalice]

Considering trump just put out a tweet encouraging his supporters to refuse to take it seriously, i doubt there will be any sort of paradigm shift..

[mistixs]

Yeah, that was unfortunate. It's very solipsistic. He can't imagine that the vast majority of Americans don't have access to the level of healthcare that he does.

[updog45]

I took it seriously in March-April, until I found out about the many fake covid death numbers, the fake covid infection numbers and I knew a couple of people who had gotten covid including the elderly and they recovered fine. Covid is real, sure. But its not killing everyone left and right.

[severance]

is 200k not a high enough death toll for you?

[Yads_Is_Back]

@severance As he said, it’s a fake 200k lol

[updog45]

@Yads_Is_Back Thank you, some people can't read. My county had over 500 listed Covid deaths, an investigation into it found there were only 160. Think of the true number in the entire country.

[Yads_Is_Back]

I'm aware too. They asked my dad to write deaths off as COVID-19, and he's not even a pulmonologist. He's a cardiologist. Imagine a patient dying from a heart attack and them asking him to say it's COVID lol smh

[updog45]

@Yads_Is_Back I believe you 100% I've seen plenty of instances of car crash deaths, and other accident related deaths marked as COVID, a guy I watch on YouTube uncle had died of a heart attack, covid again.

[severance]

If it's half that number, or quarter that number, are you still okay with thousands being dead?

[updog45]

@severance Yeah I mean, people die all the time. I am more OK with old people dying from COVID alone, than children dying from cancer, or accidents etc.

[severance]

People in the US don't die in numbers like this. It's not just the elderly. It's people our age too. I guess maybe you'll feel differently when someone close to you dies, or maybe when you get sick. It's pretty much inevitable.

[updog45]

@severance I've known quite a few people to get sick both my age, and far older. It goes away in a few days. The chances of a young healthy person dying from COVID is pretty astronomically low. If people dying from being sick is such a big concern for you, then what do we do about the flu, pneumonia, bronchitis, etc. those kill at risk people just the same.

[severance]

Those diseases will be superimposed upon covid and the death toll will rise. Just because there are other viral illness out there doesn't mean we've handled Covid appropriately.

[severance]

Frankly, I think we need to make mask-wearing the norm to help lower transmission of the other diseases you mentioned. But no. Wearing a mask is too much for people. It's infringing on their freedrom to die in a really terrible way.

[updog45]

@severance Yeah because its dumb, and no hard science that theyre even effective. The mask mandates are a knee jerk governmental reaction, so they can say see we did something!

[severance]

Man. As a healthcare worker, this breaks my heart. I wear an N95 close to 14 hours a day... and all for what? For people like you to get sick so that I need to risk my life to help you get better.

[updog45]

@severance If you are really a healthcare worker you know people are going to die, we are all literally born to die. But before this Covid crap you didn't wear a N95 that much.

[severance]

I didn't think that I'd be exposed to a virus like this- that could kill my parents, my loved ones if I wasn't conscientious about my PPE. I'm not sure why you're minimizing a pandemic.

[severance]

Anyway, this is a pointless conversation. We can just end it here.

[updog45]

@severance Because the survival rate is stupid high as it is. I know a man in his 50s, on dialysis and he's dying because he needs a kidney. Got covid TWICE since April. Still alive. if you are at risk, and legitimately concerned. Stay home, dont alter the majority of peoples lives for the few.

[Bananaman177]

He seems fine, he's in his 70's and overweight but it hasn't slowed him down much more than a cold, if that much.

[mistixs]

I am sure that if everyone in the world had access to the same level of healthcare that Trump does, most of the 1 million people globally who died from COVID wouldn't have died, either.
But the reality is that most people don't have access to the same healthcare that billionaire Trump does, and it's dangerous to act as if they do.

[Bananaman177]

He's been on HCQ and they gave him Dexamethasone, a common steroid.

His level of care is very cheap and basic, quite frankly. You really don't know what you're talking about.

[mistixs]

1) Catching a disease early is very helpful in preventing it from getting too serious. Most people aren't tested every single day like Trump is.
2) www.healthcarefinancenews.com/.../hospitalized-care-covid-19-averages-34662-45683-varying-age "Hospitalized care for COVID-19 averages $34,662 to $45,683"
That's like a drop in the water for a billionaire but it's a massive toll on most Americans.

[ssongsongie]

This is very much an American issue, many other nations have been taking it extremely seriously. So I hope that some Americans who thought this was all a hoax do too ☺️☺️

[ShortCircuit]

I already take it as seriously as is appropriate. I voluntarily wear a mask when I'm in enclosed spaces with other people. But that is all that is necessary, and there sure as hell shouldn't have been any lockdowns.

[KaylaD24]

Yeah lockdowns isn't the answer common sense is.

[On_cloud_wine]

He was bound to get it. All
the traveling he does, people he meets. It’s a very contagious virus. No one around me is taking it more serious than they already were

[purplepoppy]

The U. K. prime minister had to be put on a ventilator yet people here still didn't take it seriously.

[FýrdracaDócincel]

He's also old. You still have no reason to take it seriously.

Nice try, boot licker.

[007kingifrit]

why do we have to take it seriously as a monolith? why can't we make informed decisions based on our own unique situation? i'm young and healthy its NOT serious for me

[mistixs]

@007kingifrit because even if you're asymptomatic, you can spread it to people for whom it WILL be serious

[mistixs]

@FýrdracaDócincel 56 isn't really that old especially when the average age in the UK is 40.

[007kingifrit]

i can't spread it to others if they are in lockdown, vulnerable people are responsible for themselves. not my problem

[Ad_Quid_Orator]

I already took it seriously. And to think Trump talked shit to Biden about wearing a big mask all the time during the so called "presidential debate".

[JackSmy]

He was being a PUNK, and Ignoring it!! I take it seriously, and having a Biology degree, I know how to be safe, as I understand viral transmission, and hot to protect myself!!

[veral]

Please stay safe Covid-19 Is real...

[007kingifrit]

it maybe real, but it sure isn't a big deal