Trump's Selections are Lining Up: Know Your Cabinet, Meet Betsy DeVos

[miamigirl1970]

Being an advocate for Education myself, and someone who worked in Public Education for Fifteen Years, I have been very interested in this selection. Who is Betsy DeVos? Elisabeth "Betsy" DeVos is an American politician, billionaire, businesswoman, philanthropist, and education activist from the U.S. state of Michigan. DeVos, 58, is wife of Amway heir Dick DeVos, who lost a 2006 bid for governor. Her father-in-law, Richard DeVos co-founded Ada-based company Amway and was most recently listed by Forbes as having a net worth of $4.7 billion, making him the fourth richest billionaire in Michigan.

What are the common-core standards?
Pure and simple, they are descriptions of the skills students should have at each grade level in English/language arts and math by the time they finish high school. They're not a detailed, day-to-day curriculum; they're a broad outline of learning expectations from which teachers or district leaders craft a curriculum. I am not sure how many of you know about Common Core Standards, or how many of you had to work your way through some of them, but I myself, have been a strong advocate AGAINST them! Here are some reasons:

The Main Arguments for Common Core are Vague and Dubious
Common Core is based on a Materialistic, Egalitarian Philosophy
Uniform “Standards” Themselves Will Not Improve Education in America
Common Core Eliminates Local and Parental Control over Education
Common Core Virtually Determines What Will be Taught in the Classroom
Common Core English Harms Literature
Common Core Math Will Not Prepare Students for Careers in So-Called STEM Fields
Common Core Imposes a Cult of Testing
Common Core is Increasingly Unpopular

Common Core Collects Massive Amounts of Data on Children

Common Core will not and has not improved American K-12 education. It is a socialist/progressive experiment that will impose an inflexible, one-size-fits-all, egalitarian education scheme on America’s children. It drastically harms the way both Math and English is taught, and violates the sacred right of parents to have a say in their children’s education.

Every patriotic American should reject Common Core, and voice his concern to his elected officials urging them to repeal it. Betsy DeVos is NOT a supporter of the Standards. Hours before the expected DeVos announcement, Frank Cannon, president of anti-Common Core group, American Principles Project, said in a statement that Trump rightly slammed his primary opponent, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush for his support of Common Core and DeVos would be a very "Jeb-like pick.'' On her website, the activist and major Republican donor said that while organizations she's supported have been for Common Core, that has not been her position. Along the way, the Calvin College graduate said, it got turned into a "federalized boondoggle."

It shouldn’t be surprising that there is significant debate as to whether the standards will really impact student achievement. Some critics believe that the need is for quality teaching, not common standards, to improve students’ school achievement. There are also concerns about the standards themselves. Stanford University math professor James Milgram, once a member of the committee to validate the Common Core, says that the math part of the Common Core standards is actually insufficient, leaving American students two years behind their peers in most high-achieving countries by the end of the seventh grade. “I think the original intent was to raise outcomes, but I think the leaders got tied up in the issue of buy-in,” Milgram is quoted to have said. “I think they made choices that would make it easier for states whose expectations in mathematics were not all that high to buy into Core standards.”

The Common Core State Standards costs schools a lot of money to update the technology needed for the Common Core Standards Assessments. Most of the assessments are online. This created many issues for districts who had to purchase enough computers for all students to be assessed in a timely manner.

The Common Core State Standards has led to an increased value on standardized test performance. High stakes testing is already a trending issue, and now that states are able to compare their performances against another accurately, the stakes have only become higher.

Please Betsy, bring Education back to where it belongs. You can support vouchers, and charter schools all you want, but please please please get rid of Common Core!!!!

[JohnDoe3000]

"Common Core will not and has not improved American K-12 education. It is a socialist/progressive experiment that will impose an inflexible, one-size-fits-all, egalitarian education scheme on America’s children. It drastically harms the way both Math and English is taught, and violates the sacred right of parents to have a say in their children’s education."

Don't all the countries that do really well on education have some kind of equivalent to common core? The math argument seems weird to me: students who want to go into STEM fields can expect they need to take advanced classes, that's also something that's considered normal in other countries. Complaining about "parent's rights" or "egalitarian/socialist schemes" always seems to come from wacky cults and fringe groups who want to teach their kids creationism and that climate change is a hoax, or from parents who are overprotective of the "sensitive artistic soul" that is their 8 year old.

Children are not their parents' properties or objects through which parents get to boast their values to the neighbors. Kids are their own entities and future taxpayers or welfare receivers with their own rights and obligations.

[miamigirl1970]

Nice thoughts!

[Rissyanne]

This was great. It's a very exciting time.

[oddwaffle]

I grew up in a socialist state using common core math. When I got to one of the top university in North America, the 1st thing my curriculum advisor told me "Take calculus, statistics, algebra, physics and chemistry. It is far easier to score A+ in those classes because if you are here then you are obviously good at those. Don't fight it out with the natives in classes with a lot of texts."

Common core might or might not be the 'best' way to teach but it is an effective way to do it. It is far cheaper than other ways to get similar results. In a weird way, it is a lot like the army. You get a bunch of kids and you have to turn them into something remotely usable. The rough education beats the stuff into you and you don't really have a clue what you are learning but a lot of the stuff will stick.

Most of my 'math' study involved doing thousands of math problems over and over until I can crank out solutions without even reading the whole problem - in my sleep. I might not have a clue what derivative means but I can solve math problems like a machine. As a matter of fact, I still didn't get it until after my 1st year in university.

[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

Standard education is a joke as a borometer, but let's get it straight that we need some form of standardized testing. With that said it's a terrible choice to appoint her and that's really the problem. People hiring business people to make decisions on industries that have nothing to do with it. If you really want to improve education in this country, hire a team of the top educators in the country to grade standards of teaching. You don't have engineers telling doctors how to perform surgery. You don't have have accountants telling a police man what's the best course of action to deal with high leverage situations. Get the best teachers who are proven to make laws of how to improve education. Teachers who know how to get kids interested in math, foreign language, physics, English, early education... Not these stupid philanthropists and business people who think they know shit cause they dole out a dick load of money to education and pretend to care to get tax writeoffs and have vetted interests with these politians cause they gave them favors by hiring them for such a job. This should be in every cabinet position

Then we need to actually invest in communities instead of just hiring bodies. Give them reseources by the fed (not the state) to provide resources and actually make teaching a valuable job instead of paying them next to nothing

[miamigirl1970]

I certainly respect your opinions. Your last paragraph especially. I praise Betsy DeVos because she actually has the ability to put parents back into the drivers seat regarding their children's education. I am hoping that our Nations most vulnerable children do not get overlooked as I know she is a big proponent of charter schools and schools of choice. We shall see, I believe that our Public School System has been made weak more so because of all of the testing. Common Core has been a joke, it needs to be abolished. Yes you are correct when you say teachers need to be paid at a higher rate, and be respected more. I see in today's time, more and more teachers looking and acting like the children they teach. Their profession has lost respect. I hope we can bring class back to the classroom!

[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

We don't need parents in the drivers seats cause parents, generally, don't know shit and think their kids are the greatest things since sliced bread. They can kill a dude over Jordan's and think it's the dude's fault. We don't need choice schools. That's part of the problem. It causes natural segregation. What ends up happening is that the smarter kids with the means end up leaving and the dumber and/or poorer kids are stuck. So then you have kids who are bright in the worse off schools stuck and not given the same opportunities as the schools where the richer and/or brighter kids. The good schools get better and the bad schools get worse

I use a lot of sports references, but it reminds me of Dominique foxworth. He worked with a bunch of NFL owners saying that they weren't smarter than anyone else. Then saying that he grew up in the projects, New a friend who was a math genius. But he had the talents to be an accountant, but didn't the same opportunities so he was a drug hustler

Tbc

[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

As for testing being the problem. It's not the problem. It's not helping, but it's not the problem. The problem is how teachers are being taught to teach. Like, everyone I met in college hated physics. I liked it before and good at math, but that's besides the point. My physics teacher would do shit like have shooting competitions or had a week where he was on roller blades. My English teacher would act out the books with us. In 8th grade, my history teacher did shit like make us keep journals with drawings of what we learned and did an assembly line project. My world history high school was a comedian and would make jokes. What did they all have in common? They made it fun and subsequently, all were some of the top teachers in the state. I graduated from a top 10 public HS in New Jersey. Teachers don't make it relatable and you find kids trying to memorize things instead of learn. Shit, most the morons on this site can't figure out what I mean when I make a they're/their/there joke

[miamigirl1970]

I like the idea of Schools of Choice. Not so much about the Charter For Profit Schools, but within the Public Education I think Schools of choice work. I personally don't believe children should be bound to a school based on their zip code. I do believe that more funding needs to go to these types of schools so that all children regardless of financial abilities will get the same opportunities for education. Let's face it, financial means in this country not only affect public school age kids, but it affects college and the ability to go also. Unless being under privileged gets you some type of scholarship, the elite colleges in this country typically only see the wealthy elite. They are about large endowments, etc... I am aware, the segregation is real, but I believe School Choice can do away with some of that if they will allow federal funds to have more Schools of choice within Public Education to allow children more opportunity.

[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

I like the idea of schooling choice on the basis of public education being actually good across the board. But when schools are so bad and colleges aren't giving the same merit for public schools where a kid with a 3.84 GPA in 1 city isn't as good as a 2.69, then that's a problem to me. Especially in inner cities where schools aren't being invested and basically left to swim and providing all their resources to the good schools, it's just widening the education gap. When or if we strictly keep kids in those areas who are smart in those areas, then the logic would be that colleges and the state would have to look within those schools knowing the amount of quality kids there are instead of "leftovers". But now, the state and government turns around and says, "well, if these kids actually cared, they'll learn and we'll invest in them" when you know damn well that they aren't providing resources and aren't hiring quality teachers for these kids in the 1st place. It's a catch 22 right now

[Intraluminal]

How can testing children's attainment be a bad thing?

If I go to a doctor or hire a nurse or an accountant, how do I have any hope that they are competent? I have that expectation because they're licensed. How do they get licensed? Through testing. That's how you find out if people know at least the minimum they need to know.

[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

@Intraluminal are you talking to me or her? If, for me, I don't get that logic either. I mean, I don't like how most education is boiling down to trivial learning and kids cramming facts in their heads for a single test, rather than learning concepts and actually retaining it beyond that test or final. But at the same time, I think there needs to be a borometer that every child should know. Every child should be able to add 7+7. Every person in America, at least, should know the difference between there/their/they're. Every child should learn certain things about our history as a country and as a world citizen. We should be informed as a society and schooling is the best way to apply it. So I don't think standardized testing (or testing in general) should be the be all end all of education and success of a child's development through school, but it plays an important role in terms of instilling every child is up to snuff at a base minimum of every person's education level

[Intraluminal]

Yeah. I agree. Kids have always been tested. Testing is nothing new. The only difference is that now the tests are the same for everyone. I cannot see how that is a bad thing.

Now the issue of HOW they're taught, and the expectations that we have for their attainment are wholly separate issues.

by the way, instill means to put in, as in to instill faith. Maybe you mean ensure which means to make certain?

[Other_Tommy_Wiseau]

@Intraluminal I agree... and sure, although you can "put in" information into someone. You can ingrain knowledge into someone. Both instill and ensure are applicable

[Fathoms77]

Thus far, Trump's cabinet looks exceedingly promising. I like de Vos and I love Carson and a few of his other picks make a ton of sense. I just hope they have enough of an impact and can help point the admittedly inexperienced president (in terms of politics) in the right direction. In other words, I hope they all work together well enough for the good of the country.

[miamigirl1970]

I really believe they will. Trump is lining them up. I was confused on why Carson accepted for Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, but I am excited for this, he is a brilliant man. Just never had enough charisma to be President. Jeff Sessions is a good pick in my opinion, as well as Nikki Haley. He is rounding them up, and I believe, trying his best to do the best picks possible, regardless of personal feelings. I truly think he is going to try to heal the Nation!

[martyfellow]

Now the Trump people want to have internment camps for Muslims, just like the ones we had for Japanese Americans.

Is there anyone you don't hate?

[Fathoms77]

@martyfellow So far, I haven't seen you mention a single political fact. I mean, when's the last time you read a real newspaper article?

[miamigirl1970]

@martyfellow if your question was posed for me, you have it all wrong! I don't hate anyone or any group of people. What are your assumptions ( and that is what they are) based upon? Do you believe because my political views are different than you, I should hate people? I am one of the most caring people on Earth. I volunteer at battered women's shelters, I tutor children, I have more friends not of my race, than of my race... so don't ask me if there is anyone I don't hate. Hate is a powerful word, and people using it like you, are precisely why their is a divide in this Country!

[martyfellow]

Today Trump claimed, with zero evidence and in the face of all known facts, that he would have won the popular votes if there weren't millions of invalid votes.

His people also suggested interning all Muslims, citing the shameful example of the internment of Japanese Americans in the 1940's, for which an apology was given in the 1990's.

so now e's on record hating almost every minority group in the entire country. I hope you two have a sixpack, so you'll look good in that gold bikini

[Fathoms77]

@martyfellow You're 36 and your arguments sound like they're constructed by a 10-year-old. It's... I mean, come on. This is sad.

Seriously, go read something. Try the New York Times, though that's clearly a little beyond you.

[martyfellow]

There, you will read he made this totally made up and false claim that there are millions of invalid votes. As always, he just makes up whatever. Just like all mexicans are rapists, etc. etc.

Also, no doubt in tomorrow's NY Times, we'll read about the proposal to intern all Muslims.

Better get to the tanning salon so you'll look good in that gold bikini.

[Fathoms77]

@martyfellow You're clearly not reading any of these reports. If this lack of comprehension is indicative of all liberals, I'm not at all surprised Trump is where he is.

This level of naivete is just... frightening.

[martyfellow]

What's frightening is you deny what you claim I didn't read, when it's there in black and white.

Oh, I forgot, you don't read black. So to you it's just a big, blank white page.

But hopefully you can get the color of the bikini right for the inauguration.

[TadCurious]

Thank you for this great myTake! I agree with you about Common Core. I think education policy should be as devolved to the state and local level as possible. And ever since NCLB, I've been very concerned about this cult of standardized testing. I hate the idea that teachers are being forced to "teach to the test."

[miamigirl1970]

You are welcome. I love discussing important ideologies such as Education. I get a lot of flack for my Trump decision, but at least I am comfortable knowing he will put together a high quality cabinet. This was just one of many wise choices.

[neoagent1]

Common core math is fucking retarded. Ever since I first heard of how kids do common core math I was like WTF. If that isn't evidence of how people want to dumb down America, that is it. Not everyone's brain is wired to do math phenomenally. I was, luckily.

[martyfellow]

Betsy de Vos is another wealthy woman with no qualifications, telling all of us how to organize education. She is best known as an advocate for vouchers, giving taxpayer money for people to send children to private or religious schools.

This is largely because of the reactionary political, pro-imperialist agenda at those private and religious schools.

And it's stealing taxpayer money to give to profit-making PRIVATE schools.

This Trump tramp is typical of ruling class women.

[miamigirl1970]

I like her because of her stance on Common Core Standards. Have you ever had children come to you that don't understand Common Core ways? have you ever taught Common Core? She is more pro -school of choice. She believes that children should not be bogged down to a school because of zip code. Good or Bad- She has a long and distinguished history championing the right of all parents to choose schools that best ensure their children’s success. Her allegiance is to families, particularly those struggling at the bottom of the economic ladder, not to an outdated public education model that has failed them from one generation to the next." She also drives teacher's unions nuts, and that is a good thing! She created the AFC ( American Federation of Children in 2010) she drives the Unions crazy, While most people think that she will try to decentralize public education, I don't believe so. But I do think that she will make some needed changes to the system, that is broken.

[miamigirl1970]

Can we at least agree that the American Public Schools and it's children used to lead the world, and now NOT SO MUCH. All we can do is hope for change!

[Fathoms77]

Dude, say what you want. The current state of American education is so goddamn embarrassing that SOMETHING has to be done. We are honestly graduating barely literate, barely functional people, maybe because they spend less time on actual lessons than ever before.

Whatever may or may not work in the future, and whether de Vos will do good things or not, I don't know. What I DO know is that the political party that has dominated for most of the past decade is supposedly that group that loves and promotes education, and during their reign, we've only fallen farther and farther. This is what we know to be fact; the rest is merely conjecture.

[miamigirl1970]

@Fathoms77 - thank you for your words. Those are real truths! Our education system is in total tail spin, and the average high school student can't even make correct change, and the system is worried about making math problems with 20 digits... smh

[martyfellow]

@Fathoms77 Trum tramps are not a matter of conjecture. Another wealthy woman deciding what is best for the rest of us.

[miamigirl1970]

You act mad because people are wealthy in this Country?

[Fathoms77]

And another liberal using the word "wealthy" as if it's an automatic black mark, an assumed negative that makes the person mean, cold, and worse, stupid. Entirely illogical assumptions all but it's a direct result of the not-so-subtle socialist vibes that have permeated liberalism in recent years.

Hillary Clinton is obscenely wealthy, my friend. And yet, this is the second time you've used the word as a universally negative term in regards to someone you don't like... gotta love liberal hypocrisy at its finest. :P

[Fathoms77]

All liberals hate wealthy people. Redistribution of wealth and all that... which, of course, is nothing but straight-up theft and capable of decimating an entire country's incentive to produce anything at all.

[Thisperson98]

I love logical fallacies. www.logicallyfallacious.com/.../Argument-to-the-Purse

[martyfellow]

@Fathoms77 Vouchers are nothing but theft from ordinary people to serve fantasies of the wealthy. Robin Hood in reverse.

[Fathoms77]

The "ordinary" people have been suffering far, far more from endless welfare and assistance programs that are bankrupting the country.

[martyfellow]

@Fathoms77 The endless wars are what are bankrupting the country. Much more spent on that than the rest of the government budget combined.

[miamigirl1970]

too bad that @sjoes006 that I am a thesis away from a Dual Masters, you judging me shows how highly uneducated you are!

[martyfellow]

Chuckle. Trump University? Lol. No argument, so you hide behind a degree. Trump went to university as well, still can't find Iran on a map.

[miamigirl1970]

Maybe he can't, what a shame if that is the truth. Education for me is about personal goals. It is how you utilize the things you learn. Just because I don't agree with you politically, doesn't make me less smart than you. That is the problem with the liberal mind. It is so closed off. You judge Donald Trump, I can praise HRC for being smart. She is educated. But she is not a nice Human Being. And being educated is important because the average high school student here can't even count back change to me, and you don't believe something is wrong? Teachers are leaving the profession in droves, and the State of public K 12 saddens me. There are educated idiots out there, I won't disagree, but please don't insult someone who has earned their education over political beliefs, because this Country isn't just red and blue... Its the white that ties it all together!!!

[Fathoms77]

... endless wars? What wars? Obama pulled everyone out of the Middle East in 2011 (which, by the way, directly resulted in ISIS, as every U. S. general will attest to).

You need only look as far as idiotic pensions for state and government workers that put the taxpayers (the "real" people you love so much) into veritable strangleholds, endless free healthcare and other benefits for people who sit home at stare at the TV, and a populace in such a deplorable physical condition that everyone can't afford to care for everyone else anymore. The liberals created this toxic environment, by the way. Thank you.

[martyfellow]

Chuckle. You should wear a gold bikini, like Melania, all the time. Trump just announced his tax plan. Increases for many, but huge cuts for the top 1%.

[Thisperson98]

www.usatoday.com/.../
"For most people, this change will still work in their favor by a significant margin. In my personal situation, the loss of my $12,150 personal exemption would be more than offset by the $17,400 increase in my standard deduction."

[Fathoms77]

Just keep hating the wealthy for illogical reasons.

And by the way, the rich pay 90% of this country's taxes, genius. The tax rates for corporations are DOUBLE here what they are anywhere else in the world, which is WHY we lost these companies overseas. If you make a lot of cash, you're losing more than half of it to the government. In some cases, 60 and 70%. The LEAST taxed people are the people who make the least, and they contribute the least to the overall U. S. till.

... of course, liberals can't do math, so...

[martyfellow]

@Fathoms77 Trump won't release his tax returns, but word has it that as a billionaire, he pays little or no tax. This is known to be common among the super wealthy, it's not just him.

Please model that gold bikini for us so we can see what you look like.

[Thisperson98]

Actually Trump used the current tax laws, and only reason he could write it off, is because he lost a lot of money in a business. He has said he wanted to fix this.

[Fathoms77]

The worst part is that people who are entirely clueless about business think they should talk about it.

Look up the facts yourself, I don't have time to educate you. 90% of the taxes that come in, that go to fund your precious assistance programs, come from the top 1% of earners in this country. It's a fact, as is the fact that companies are taxed to the point of insanity, which is, again, why they've left.

Instead of facing facts, you run around insulting people and not actually producing a single valid point. It's sort of sad, really, but the clueless can't run a country. That much we've learned with the liberals in charge.

[Red_Arrow]

@Fathoms77 - I keep seeing you Trumponians claim that Obama was responsible for ISIS. Do you really believe that BS? ISIS is an offshoot of al Qaeda, and has been around for a long time. When George W Bush decided to restart a war with Iraq with his false claims of weapons of mass destruction, he ended up taking out Hussein and his army, which allowed various factions, including ISIS, to blossom. Want to blame a president for ISIS, get it right and blame Bush. Also, a man named Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was being held in a US run prison in southern Iraq. He was released in 2004 and became leader of ISIS and changed his name to Al-Khalifah Ibrahim at about the time ISIS declared the creation of the "Islamic State". Let's see, who was president in 2004. Oh, yeah. GW again! Enough of blaming Obama's actions resulting in ISIS, a group that was around and thriving before Obama became president. And the pullout in 2011 was already written into the books and begun by GW.

[martyfellow]

@Red_Arrow One of Trump's team is not suggesting internment camps for Muslims, while citing the wonderful example of the internment of Japanese Americans.

[martyfellow]

@Red_Arrow There should be a requirement for all Trump tramps to wear gold bikinis.

[Fathoms77]

@Red_Arrow Dude, where do you get your information from? Do you even read news, or do you just watch five-second sound bites and internet headlines, like way too many Americans?

It has been stated numerous times that ISIS is NOT affiliated with Al Queada in any way. In fact, the latter, including Bin Laden, denounced ISIS several times for being too extremist, believe it or not. ISIS leader al Zarqawi operated entirely on his own, with the belief there could be an independent Islamic State. He was just a street thug that rose to prominence during the American occupation of Iraq.

During the final push in 2009, when 20,000 Marines in Fallujah, ISIS wasn't ISIS. They were disorganized, poorly trained, low in number, etc. The U. S. could've finished it and the Bush administration flinched. They stopped pushing forward, ISIS claimed victory, gathered more recruits, and the terror organization was born. This was all in a documentary, all in the news... do you liberals read ANYTHING?

[Red_Arrow]

@Fathoms77 - I might ask where you get your ideas from. I obviously read a lot and far deeper than the headlines, as shown by the discussions I have had in my recent posts. And if you would have read my comment hear CORRECTLY, you would have seen that I stated that ISIS "ISIS is an offshoot of al Qaeda". That does not mean that al Qaeda accepts or acknowledges them, but that is where they started. And at that time many of the members of Hussein's defeated army joined them. They went further than bin Laden accepted so he denounced them, but it is still where they began. And yes, they went off on their own, and bin Laden's condemnation splintered them more, but that is where, and when, they began, adding the name later. They existed and they were ISIS but had not added the name yet.

[Red_Arrow]

@Fathoms77 - And in your last comment YOU stated "The U. S. could've finished it and the Bush administration flinched. They stopped pushing forward, ISIS claimed victory, gathered more recruits, and the terror organization was born." The part about the terror organization being born after it already existed was wrong, but the rest was correct. ISIS was born and growing under Bush.

[ginny_weasley]

Is she the crazy quack that wants to get rid of public schools because they don't teach the Creationism theory? In my sarcastic voice, "great time to be an atheist." I've heard she is severely under qualified and doesn't even have a degree in education. At the very least she should have a degree in education. The people who run education should be educated in it.

[jacquesvol]

DeVos' brother, Erik Prince, founded Blackwater USA, a private security firm which had operations in Iraq. Blackwater USA has changed its name to Xe Services because of a scandal. Xe Services changed its name to Academi.

[castratedwhiteguy]

Common Core is a United Nations concocted stinker! Welcome to the new world odor. If Betsy DeVos can help get us out of this mess than she's a good apointment.

[Dred1614returns]

Trump's cabinet is looking good. I especially like Jeff Sessions as AG. I've always been a fan of his.

[miamigirl1970]

Oh at last someone on my side I totally agree

[Dred1614returns]

I can't believe the vile nature of some answers here. I guess when they have no logic, they have to resort to rudeness.

[Rissyanne]

That's what libs do.. they name call and just plain out rude

[Dred1614returns]

@Rissyanne according to them, that's us.

[miamigirl1970]

I love your quote below about the wise woman. I have noticed on this site that you can't speak politically because the other side always wants to put you personally on blast. What a shame I am an educated adult female with a great job who pays my taxes. I have friends and family on both sides of the political argument and I never hold anything against people or judge them personally. I noticed that weak-minded people want to say things and then back off the site and not back up their opinions. I believe if you are informed that is the most important part and then you make your choices from there. Thank you for your opinions.

[Dred1614returns]

You know who the wise woman that said it is?

[miamigirl1970]

No I can't say is that I do I was going to look up that quote but haven't had the opportunity

[Dred1614returns]

The woman that I said it to is who said it.

[Dred1614returns]

www.girlsaskguys.com/.../a33236-the-us-needs-an-immigrant-day
Check out her comments on this.

[miamigirl1970]

How awesome is that just another proof of how hypocritical the left really is

[Dred1614returns]

I couldn't resist posting it here when I saw it on that take.

[miamigirl1970]

That was a great catch good looking out thank you very much

[Anonymous]

Republican answer to failing public schools? Take money OUT of them. Yep, logic right there.

[Rawrzz]

I'd rather avoid reality.

[Maxemeister]

Lol it's like he wants us to fear the next 4 years

[Anonymous]

common core shows critical thinking.

[miamigirl1970]

give me an example of that please?

[bruce3]

good share

[Adigelunar]

great takee