Why Racially Profiling Muslims is Obviously Racist and Won't Work, Anyway

[Waffles731]

Trump has suggested that we use racial profiling against Muslims.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-after-orlando-racial-profiling-not-the-worst-thing-to-do/

So this may seem like a good idea to the bigoted assholes of the world but the fact is it is obviously very very racist but it also just flat out won't work.

So if you needed any proof that Trump actually is a bigoted racist (that is on the off chance he is not actually a clinton plant but that mytake comes tomorrow)

STFU you cuck you just got triggered,

is what certain morons on here might respond with however unlike them I have logic and facts on my side. So fuck you (You know who you are)

So let's do a little experiment here, just to show you just why this won't work.

So in these pictures tell me which ones are Muslim and which ones are not

Photo A

He is an Arab so chances are he would be profiled as a Muslim. So is he a muslim or is he not, The answer is no, his name is Father Gabriel Naddaf and he is an Arab Christian and yes they do exist

Photo B

How about this Burly and White as a Snowflake Australian man with the Amish looking Beard. He couldn't possible be a radical Muslim that might actually commit an act of terror someday could he.

This is Musa Cerantonio, an Australian Convert from Catholicism to Radical Islam and supporter of the Islamic State

https://www.smh.com.au/good-weekend/musa-cerantonio-muslim-convert-and-radical-supporter-of-islamic-state-20141205-121c8s.html

He has been investigated by the Australian Intelligence service and of all the Muslims on this list, he is the only one who actually might commit an act of terror.

Photo C

Now how about these rather attractive looking Asian Fashion models, surely these women must be Shinto or Taoists or Buddhist or something right.

and you would be wrong, Now if you actually thought these women would be Shintoists or Taoists you got the country wrong by a lot. These are Indonesian Fashion models and Indonesia has the largest Muslim population in the world and it includes these pretty looking women. So what do you think the chances are that racial profiling would miss them, I'd say 99 percent.

I'll be the first to admit that I have trouble telling MOST Asian nationalities apart and I say most because I can usually tell if someone is Filipino or not. That doesn't mean their aren't major differences, I do know that there are i just can't spot them. That's not racist that's simply someone who doesn't live in the region not being all that familiar with the different nationalities

So tell me how Racial profiling will help prevent terror attacks.

Then you have the fact that as Gary Johnson put it

I don’t how you determine one individual from another — is it color of skin? — as to whether one is an American citizen or the other is an illegal immigrant.”

So yes, Trump is being not only a racist bastard but also not providing a working solution so business as usual huh

[vishna]

And there's also the fact that a lot of violence (even murderers) committed by racist people have Sikh people as the victims... because usually the racist people aren't great scholars on world religions, history, geography-they just seen a tan person with a hijab or turban. Islamophobia and racism in the US do go hand in hand.. and also ignorance.

[vishna]

thank you waffles!

[Omar5881]

Thank you thank you thank you lol

[Waffles731]

Np, I call it like I see it

[Waffles731]

But I hate bigotry and I honestly want this anti-Muslim bigotry to end.
Fuck Bigotry, Fuck Racism,

[Omar5881]

Well yeah its something really annoying like they hate 1.6 billion people they have never met and they expect all the 1.6 billion to act the same which is nonsense

[Waffles731]

Thats bigotry for you,
Honestly I'm glad I live in a part of the country where its not really a problem,
When I talk shit about the south all the damn time, thats one reason.
and I'm moving to washington state in a few years and its not a problem there either but go to a place like alabama or mississipi and you bet your ass its a problem,
It actually goes back to certain policies at varying times after the civil war.
Basically, the people in power in the southern sates realized that the only way they were going to stay in power after the civil rights movement is if they pitted people against each other for religious and racial reasons.

[Waffles731]

Basically, the GOP is still around solely because of that.

[Waffles731]

And if thats the most despicable thing you've heard in a long time.
That was my reaction when I found that out too

[Omar5881]

It's also a problem in lots of places , and what makes me really angry when they tell you to get back to your country lol

[Dimmu]

man i debated with many many people about islam, people are 5 kinds
1- the first type is those who project their own flaws on Islam like:
a- i hate all Muslims cause they don't accept others:its obvious that he can't accept them himself without knowing them, he just can't accept others and projects it on Islam
b-i wanna kill all Muslims cause they are violent, well it obvious that he is seeing nothing wrong with killing innocents , again he is projecting his on violence on some people he doesn't know a thing about.

2-second type:who ask google how to attack islam, they dont read quran and they attack it without a real knowledge, google answer whould make them like fools cause in the first answer i give them , they can't be objective anymore and they start to be rude, google would be like verse 13 and 15 are violent , but won't tell you what verse 14 says untill you search yourself, verse 14 may be has a meaning that make the whole thing is not violnet

3-third type who dont know about history in middle east, and these people have double standard, they accuse killing innocents when innocents are 50 while seeing nothing wrong in killing millions of innocents just cause they are muslims or arab, they dont know the difference between arab , jews, muslims , or history about them, they dont know what crusades are , Mongolians , they keep stating history wrongly and insist on it to prove their point. while its known in history that westerns are bloody thirsty nations , and just introduced to civilization recently, they are like the villager who impressed by the city :D, still i don't like to generalize , at least westerns now are much more civilized than Arabs in a society means not individuals and also i am against stereotype,

4-my favourite type, HATERS:the type who brainwashed by tv and news, they know that news are misleading and politicians are liers and they never believe them unless its islam, they hate islam , they dont know why they hate it or even how, they just must find something to hate and it happened to be islam, its my favourite type cause i make a joke out of them-yea i am a bit evil:D-

5-the best type:is the type who reach the point he get confused , he doesn't lie to himself, but can't admit that in front of me, they are seeking the truth , most of these debates ends like oh man you got a point but... ,

[Jehovahkiin]

First picture I assumed a Christian (outfit is Coptic Christian, I think), second Muslim, third I assumed that they were Muslim Malaysians. Close enough.

I’m playing the devil’s advocate here.
Most Arabs are Muslims (somewhere around 90%, not sure about the statistic in America though), so the probability of encountering a Muslim Arab is far higher than a non-muslim Arab. Assuming racial profiling actually stops terrorist attacks, with this principle in mind, the more efficient way of identifying a Muslim terrorist on spot would be based on race - there is a 9/10 chance of an Arab being Muslim, if we speak of global terms.

That said, I still don’t agree with the idea of racial profiling or even ramping up security checks on Muslims. There is a statistic that indicates after 8,000 Muslims were called in for FBI questioning and 5,000 were locked up, not a single terrorist was found.

I see no conceivable solution to stop terror attacks. If paranoia overtakes us, innocents will be harmed. If we’re too tolerant, the guilty will take advantage and do the harming. But one thing is for sure, Trump is definitely not the answer.

[MakeShiftThug]

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Damn it, Why do I always find myself agreeing with the majority of your points?
Say something I can argue against for once!

[Jehovahkiin]

@MakeShiftThug prolly becuz I'm more awesome and better than you!!

[MakeShiftThug]

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Is that so? Well, we will see about that...

You better watch out, I can break down an argument like Protease enzymes break down proteins into amino acids. I split my opponents in half like Uranium-235!

[Jehovahkiin]

@MakeShiftThug https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FW1QY76d-40
LOL. We’d much sooner have evidence behind the notions of extending special relativity to accommodate Feinberg’s hypothesis of tachyons.. AND claim they can send signals, than you would have a chance of beating me. Go learn. xD

[MakeShiftThug]

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This video exemplifies how you will be defeated, with no effort and by accident!

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For your sake, I hope you're not like an angle that's larger than 90° and less than 180°.

[Spiorad_Aisce]

I agree racial profiling does not work - Law enforcement must assume that EVERYONE is a potential terrorist on that basis make the area they are protecting - Say the local FBI office is stretched keeping tabs on all the Muslims in the area and a domestic Neo Nazi White Supremacist cell want to create a race war slips through the intelligence because it is stretched dealing with Muslims (Extreme example) - Ok racial profiling on muslims, look for guys who grow the beards, don traditional garb and rant anti American stuff - Clever terrorist, clean shave, go to football games , have fries and apple pie then on this date xx/xx/xxxx go rogue.
Lastly stomping all over the civil rights of Muslims is like lifeblood for ISIS proving the west persecute Muslims - Probably ISIS want Donald Trump's bank details so they can pay him because he is their biggest recruiter in the west at the moment.

[Hellboy71]

Racial profiling is only one part of the process, especially in this case, and they cannot assume that every person from the middle east is Muslim or a radical Muslim. They definitely need to step up and improve their profiling techniques, and work on a way to profile Muslims in general, not as a race, but as a religion. And we definitely need to find ways to be able to track any threats quicker and get rid of this Politically correct bullshit. Especially since people are afraid to report things because they might be accused of being racist. We are being attacked by a religion that in general is a race of people, so how are not supposed to seem racist if we are trying to protect our country by reporting suspicious activity? We can't, but we need to do it, and people need to realize that, and the stigma and political correctness bullshit, needs to go away!!

[gotc147]

Of course racially profiling Muslims isn't going to work, Islam is a religion, not a race.

Seriously dude, throwing around the race card after someone says... Literally anything is just making people not care about being called racist.

We get it, you don't like Trump, join the club, now seriously just shut up about it.

[AleDeEurope]

How can you be a racist when you're profiling based on religion and not race?

[Waffles731]

Because thats how he wants to do it.
Anyone arab looking gets extra suspicion because muslim

[AleDeEurope]

But it has nothing to do with race, but religion. It's all about beliefs.

[Soteris]

Why not though? I mean objectively there is no such thing as "race" and its just something we invented to start with so why not expand the definition where it makes sense?

[AleDeEurope]

@Soteris Cause you can't just change a word's definition so that it fits your argument. Learn the real word for what your describing and use that.
People use "racist" because it has more power, it has a great amount of power due to history, so in order to bring someone down, they use that word, even though it's wrong, because it will have a bigger reaction.

[Soteris]

But what if there is a wide theme of people thinking of Muslims as a race. As inherently "Different" from themselves etc.. Or what if their bigotry towards Muslims is the same as that people have against races? It just feels appropriate.

[Waffles731]

For the most part bigotry against muslims goes hand in hand with racism against arabs

[AleDeEurope]

@Soteris If they think Muslims are from a different race, then they're wrong. Anyone can be a Muslims, Black, White, Native American, or Asian. Anyone.

@Asker Arabs aren't a race either, it's an ethnicity. Arabs are mostly mixed.

[Soteris]

By the same token, if you think "Black" or "Asian" is a race. You are wrong. Races at least as we know it does not exist more then some made up social constructs.

[Dionysos]

Since when is membership in a cult a race? There are Muslims of every race.

Religions are behavior and thought patterns. Races are genetic differences.

Judging people by their behavior is not racist.

[anonman32]

the police and inteligence community does not only racially profile muslims but all of us. stop thinking muslims are an exception because they are not.

[Dimmu]

\m/ :D

[RationalMale]

Gee after 9/11, fort hood, Boston bombings, Brussels, cologne, Paris, Paris, nice, San Bernardino, London and Madrid trains... WBy would we ever be mean enough to profile Muslims?

Common sense. So rare today its a goddamn superpower!

[SuitAndTie1986]

I know, right. They're lucky we don't nuclear bomb the whole Middle East. Nobody would miss it.

[RationalMale]

@SuitAndTie1986 We'd miss the oil. Islam, we sure can do without. Such barbaric peoples!

[Anonymous]

Ah yes, it won't work because there are a few exceptions comparatively. Makes sense.
The fact that the background to the answers are white is racist too.

[Waffles731]

Really, the largest populations of muslim people in the world are Asian and you think that racial profiling will work.
Plus Racial profiling is by definition RACIST

[Opinion Owner]

Who do people try to profile in regards to this? Radical muslims, yes. Not saying there aren't exceptions, but to pretend there is a huge variance on those that are doing those specific things in the western world seems silly.
Who cares what you think is racist? It's easy for a little 21 year old that doesn't know all that much to say profiling doesn't work, but if a higher percentage of certain people especially in certain areas are committing certain crimes based on actual data, I can't figure out how that can be intellectually argued against. Because you don't like it? ugh...
On a personal level, I think it's more okay. Your personal safety is more important than some douche thinking you are racist for it.

[Waffles731]

'On a personal level, I think it's more okay. Your personal safety is more important than some douche thinking you are racist for it."
Here is what I think of you authoritarian fuck
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And make no mistake Trump is an authoritarian candidate

[Opinion Owner]

I always hope that the daft of the world like me. Oh well...

I never said anything about Trump. I wasn't talking about him. I was just talking about it in general. That being said, it's better than those who placate. The modern day equivalent of "useful Jews"
It's not like the founding fathers avoided keeping an eye on the Tories, eh?

Since you didn't even try to retort, we'll just end it here.

[SuitAndTie1986]

Maybe Benjamin Franklin's views worked in his time, but this is now.

[Waffles731]

@SuitAndTie1986
"Maybe Benjamin Franklin's views worked in his time, but this is now."
So we should abandon our principals because its the easy and convenient thing to do?
Thats the same logic that is used by people who want to ban guns,
You want restrictions freedom go to russia, or china, not here

[Soteris]

If you just profiled criminals to start with then it would not matter if they were Muslims or not.

[BruceJender]

Let's end this right here:

MUSLIM (s) AREN'T A RACE.

[Waffles731]

Yet Trump has said he wants to use racial profiling,

[BruceJender]

Has he actually?

[Waffles731]

Donald Trump said Sunday that in the wake of the mass shooting in Orlando, it's time for the United States to start looking at racial profiling as a preventative tactic.

"Well I think profiling is something that we're going to have to start thinking about as a country,"
Yes he has

[Waffles731]

"Other countries do it, you look at Israel and you look at others, they do it and they do it successfully. And I hate the concept of profiling but we have to start using common sense and we have to use our heads."

"It's not the worst thing to do," he added.

[BruceJender]

He said profiling... which, as far as I can understand, is MUSLIM profiling.

I don't think there's any RACIAL profiling in what he said.

[SlightlyCrazy]

Yes thank you
So obvious

[Waffles731]

Np, Fuck bigotry

[SlightlyCrazy]

Amen

[Anonymous]

stereotyping and racism will always be there any never go away

[jacquesvol]

Excellent take!